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farvacola
Profile Blog Joined January 2011
United States18876 Posts
Last Edited: 2017-06-29 16:09:30
June 29 2017 16:09 GMT
#159301
On June 30 2017 00:59 xDaunt wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 29 2017 23:23 silverstoneft02wc wrote:
Cruz is so close yet so far from understanding how to provide better health care for Americans.

[image loading]

It's only a matter of time before the GOP understands the full implications of its admission that the country must provide health care to everyone with preexisting conditions.

Folks should have confronted that reality back when EMTALA and its relatives were passed.
"when the Dead Kennedys found out they had skinhead fans, they literally wrote a song titled 'Nazi Punks Fuck Off'"
{CC}StealthBlue
Profile Blog Joined January 2003
United States41117 Posts
Last Edited: 2017-06-29 16:22:59
June 29 2017 16:14 GMT
#159302
On June 30 2017 01:08 KwarK wrote:
Meanwhile Fox News is attacking the Democrats for alarmist rhetoric, insisting that there is no evidence that people die from lack of healthcare. They made the excellent counterpoint that nobody has ever died from lack of healthcare who wouldn't have died anyway eventually. I'm convinced.


Fox News is state TV. Also the giant empathy gap shown by former anchors such as Megyn Kelly. Prime example her blasting maternity leave, till she pops out a brat of her own them demand it fully.
"Smokey, this is not 'Nam, this is bowling. There are rules."
Plansix
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
United States60190 Posts
June 29 2017 16:14 GMT
#159303
On June 30 2017 01:09 farvacola wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 30 2017 00:59 xDaunt wrote:
On June 29 2017 23:23 silverstoneft02wc wrote:
Cruz is so close yet so far from understanding how to provide better health care for Americans.

[image loading]

It's only a matter of time before the GOP understands the full implications of its admission that the country must provide health care to everyone with preexisting conditions.

Folks should have confronted that reality back when EMTALA and its relatives were passed.

I lost track of the number of times we have said the US has been moving towards single payer since we decided that people shouldn’t kicked out of the emergency room if they couldn’t pay. All paths lead to that conclusion.
I have the Honor to be your Obedient Servant, P.6
TL+ Member
WolfintheSheep
Profile Joined June 2011
Canada14127 Posts
June 29 2017 16:19 GMT
#159304
I think it is quite impressive to have the opportunity to watch the elected officials running your country learning while on the job.

There's the American dream right there, no skills, training or qualifications, yet still given the chance in the highest seats of power in the nation.
Average means I'm better than half of you.
Toadesstern
Profile Blog Joined October 2008
Germany16350 Posts
June 29 2017 16:22 GMT
#159305
On June 30 2017 01:08 KwarK wrote:
Meanwhile Fox News is attacking the Democrats for alarmist rhetoric, insisting that there is no evidence that people die from lack of healthcare. They made the excellent counterpoint that nobody has ever died from lack of healthcare who wouldn't have died anyway eventually. I'm convinced.

and obviously a good dosis of "omg that's way too complicated to even think about. Noone knows how many people will die"
<Elem> >toad in charge of judging lewdness <Elem> how bad can it be <Elem> also wew, that is actually p lewd.
Velr
Profile Blog Joined July 2008
Switzerland10989 Posts
June 29 2017 16:23 GMT
#159306
You think they are learning? What have they learned yet?
NewSunshine
Profile Joined July 2011
United States5938 Posts
June 29 2017 16:23 GMT
#159307
On June 30 2017 01:14 {CC}StealthBlue wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 30 2017 01:08 KwarK wrote:
Meanwhile Fox News is attacking the Democrats for alarmist rhetoric, insisting that there is no evidence that people die from lack of healthcare. They made the excellent counterpoint that nobody has ever died from lack of healthcare who wouldn't have died anyway eventually. I'm convinced.


Fox News is state TV. Also the giant empathy gap shown by former anchors such as Megyn Kelly. Prime example her blasting maternity leave, till she pops out a brat opf her own them demand it fully.

Fox News has absolutely 0 credibility for me, it's just a panel of talking heads that seems more interested in emulating stuff like Sports Center than actually having even semi-objective news segments. There's a reason they're classed as entertainment, not news.
"If you find yourself feeling lost, take pride in the accuracy of your feelings." - Night Vale
Plansix
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
United States60190 Posts
Last Edited: 2017-06-29 16:32:29
June 29 2017 16:27 GMT
#159308
Topical:

https://gimletmedia.com/episode/100-friends-blasphemers/

Reply All: #100 Friends and Blasphemers - Live Journal becomes weirdly becomes the center of activism in Russia after 2010's election of Putin. About 20 minutes and its pretty funny. Until the end when a Russian company buys Live Journal for way more than it is worth.
I have the Honor to be your Obedient Servant, P.6
TL+ Member
Nevuk
Profile Blog Joined March 2009
United States16280 Posts
June 29 2017 16:35 GMT
#159309
People seem especially freaked out by the facelift tweet for some reason. And by people I mean both GOP and others. Why? It is no worse than anything he's said in the past
{CC}StealthBlue
Profile Blog Joined January 2003
United States41117 Posts
June 29 2017 16:36 GMT
#159310
"Smokey, this is not 'Nam, this is bowling. There are rules."
TheTenthDoc
Profile Blog Joined February 2011
United States9561 Posts
Last Edited: 2017-06-29 16:44:16
June 29 2017 16:43 GMT
#159311
On June 30 2017 01:35 Nevuk wrote:
People seem especially freaked out by the facelift tweet for some reason. And by people I mean both GOP and others. Why? It is no worse than anything he's said in the past


This is probably the farthest he's gone post-inauguration. They apparently had managed to choke down the idea he might be marginally improving in self-restraint and nastiness (mostly because all his lashing out has served their political agenda or just been stupidity lately).
Plansix
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
United States60190 Posts
Last Edited: 2017-06-29 16:47:14
June 29 2017 16:44 GMT
#159312
On June 30 2017 01:35 Nevuk wrote:
People seem especially freaked out by the facelift tweet for some reason. And by people I mean both GOP and others. Why? It is no worse than anything he's said in the past

I think this might be the first time since taking office that he has gone after two specific people in the press, rather than the entire publication. Also there was that shooting at the congressional base ball game. It is normal for Trump, but not at all normal for the office.

On June 30 2017 01:36 {CC}StealthBlue wrote:
https://twitter.com/RepBarbaraLee/status/880454757999144960


Ok, congress is now getting in it. Some of them have clearly had enough and don't feel comfortable with the Generals running everything because Trump won't.
I have the Honor to be your Obedient Servant, P.6
TL+ Member
Doodsmack
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
United States7224 Posts
June 29 2017 16:47 GMT
#159313
Funny Trump would talk about plastic surgery.

Ivana Trump’s assertion of “rape” came in a deposition—part of the early ’90s divorce case between the Trumps, and revealed in the 1993 book Lost Tycoon: The Many Lives of Donald J. Trump.


The book, by former Texas Monthly and Newsweek reporter Harry Hurt III, described a harrowing scene. After a painful scalp reduction surgery to remove a bald spot, Donald Trump confronted his then-wife, who had previously used the same plastic surgeon.

“Your fucking doctor has ruined me!” Trump cried.

What followed was a “violent assault,” according to Lost Tycoon. Donald held back Ivana’s arms and began to pull out fistfuls of hair from her scalp, as if to mirror the pain he felt from his own operation. He tore off her clothes and unzipped his pants.

“Then he jams his penis inside her for the first time in more than sixteen months. Ivana is terrified… It is a violent assault,” Hurt writes. “According to versions she repeats to some of her closest confidantes, ‘he raped me.’”


www.thedailybeast.com
On_Slaught
Profile Joined August 2008
United States12190 Posts
Last Edited: 2017-06-29 17:05:26
June 29 2017 17:02 GMT
#159314
On June 30 2017 01:35 Nevuk wrote:
People seem especially freaked out by the facelift tweet for some reason. And by people I mean both GOP and others. Why? It is no worse than anything he's said in the past


It's another instance of him attacking a woman based on her looks, which continues one if the worst looks for him. Iirc this is the first time he's done it since becoming President too. Plenty of Republican woman get face lifts and will not look kindly on this since I imagine being called out like this was a fear of theirs.

Still, for Trump to insult anyone on artificialality is hilarious.
zlefin
Profile Blog Joined October 2012
United States7689 Posts
June 29 2017 17:19 GMT
#159315
If I were president; my inclination would have been to use the AUMF much more sparingly; though I'd of course be reluctant to overturn the standards set by the predecessors in the office.
Great read: http://shorensteincenter.org/news-coverage-2016-general-election/ great book on democracy: http://press.princeton.edu/titles/10671.html zlefin is grumpier due to long term illness. Ignoring some users.
Plansix
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
United States60190 Posts
Last Edited: 2017-06-29 17:25:00
June 29 2017 17:20 GMT
#159316
It is also an attack over something that has nothing to do with policy or his time in office. It is about the super embarrassing fake Time cover. And that seems tiny, but it strikes at the center of Trumps fragile ego. And seeing coverage of it on TV angers him.

The congress members can't defend it. On top of that, I get the feeling we are at a tipping point with really aggressive political discourse. I am not sure if McConnell's promise/threat to work with Democrats would have been public if the congressional shooting had not happened. I might be reading to much into that, but he didn't need to say that on camera and he normally don't say much on camera.

On June 30 2017 02:19 zlefin wrote:
If I were president; my inclination would have been to use the AUMF much more sparingly; though I'd of course be reluctant to overturn the standards set by the predecessors in the office.


It is a thing that needed to end a long time ago. Congress was happy to keep it in place during Obama because it let them second guess everything he did. Just think the discussions with generals and other security officials that lead that bill being drafted.
I have the Honor to be your Obedient Servant, P.6
TL+ Member
On_Slaught
Profile Joined August 2008
United States12190 Posts
Last Edited: 2017-06-29 17:23:19
June 29 2017 17:22 GMT
#159317
Republicans are slowly but surely coming to the realization that Trump is a bigger threat to their agenda than a help.
Slaughter
Profile Blog Joined November 2003
United States20255 Posts
June 29 2017 18:02 GMT
#159318
On June 30 2017 01:43 TheTenthDoc wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 30 2017 01:35 Nevuk wrote:
People seem especially freaked out by the facelift tweet for some reason. And by people I mean both GOP and others. Why? It is no worse than anything he's said in the past


This is probably the farthest he's gone post-inauguration. They apparently had managed to choke down the idea he might be marginally improving in self-restraint and nastiness (mostly because all his lashing out has served their political agenda or just been stupidity lately).


Its funny because just a week or so ago my aunt was arguing strongly that he is getting better and isn't tweeting like that anymore.
Never Knows Best.
Velr
Profile Blog Joined July 2008
Switzerland10989 Posts
June 29 2017 18:04 GMT
#159319
Which agenda? Obama "BAD" doesn't work whiteout Obama.
DeepElemBlues
Profile Blog Joined January 2011
United States5080 Posts
Last Edited: 2017-06-29 18:10:31
June 29 2017 18:10 GMT
#159320
Having [pick your favorite 'famous' e-sports BMer] as president is just the funniest thing ever.
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