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Doodsmack
United States7224 Posts
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Leporello
United States2845 Posts
Can some call a doctor for McCain? | ||
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ticklishmusic
United States15977 Posts
On June 09 2017 01:38 LegalLord wrote: Someone please give me a clip of our favorite John Rambo McCain doing his thing. more like john ramble mccain | ||
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{CC}StealthBlue
United States41117 Posts
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On_Slaught
United States12190 Posts
On June 09 2017 01:30 xDaunt wrote: And the obvious rebuttal is "where is the gun?" So you'd admit context matters? Here you have your direct boss and the president of the United States telling everyone else to leave the room so that he can ask for your loyalty and ask you to drop an investigation in private? (If I'm understanding what happened correctly?) What about the context doesn't scream "this is an order but I'm trying to be sly?." Classic mob/thug verbiage. Don't act like this isn't something we've all heard in a threatening context. "I hope something bad doesn't happen to your business!" etc. No immediate threat required. | ||
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{CC}StealthBlue
United States41117 Posts
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LegalLord
United States13779 Posts
On June 09 2017 01:06 dankobanana wrote: i'm impressed by this man. whatever he did with the Clinton situation he seems professional and ethical I've been familiar with Comey's work well before any of this election stuff and I think highly of his work overall. There's a reason I've generally defended Comey regardless of which "side" he was on in his various election related issues. | ||
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brian
United States9643 Posts
On June 09 2017 01:39 On_Slaught wrote: So you'd admit context matters? Here you have your direct boss and the president of the United States telling everyone else to leave the room so that he can ask for your loyalty and ask you to drop an investigation in private? (If I'm understanding what happened correctly?) What about the context doesn't scream "this is an order but I'm trying to be sly?." Classic mob/thug verbiage. Don't act like this isn't something we've all heard in a threatening context. "I hope something bad doesn't happen to your business!" etc. No immediate threat required. no, of course in this instance the context DOESNT matter. it's all very similar to when you're supposed to take trump literally vs metaphorically. keep up dude. | ||
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LegalLord
United States13779 Posts
On June 09 2017 01:39 Kipsate wrote: Mcain looks like on a level of what Bill Clinton looked like during various points of in the Clinton Campagin. Even Billy couldn't make sense of the disaster that was the Hillary campaign. | ||
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m4ini
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On June 09 2017 01:40 LegalLord wrote: I've been familiar with Comey's work well before any of this election stuff and I think highly of his work overall. There's a reason I've generally defended Comey regardless of which "side" he was on in his various election related issues. He really doesn't seem to "side" with anything. After watching this (first time i had a "first person contact" with comey), i can't help but feel like that he'd be quite the loss to the FBI. | ||
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FueledUpAndReadyToGo
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LegalLord
United States13779 Posts
Well at least he was an alright Senator like 12 years ago. | ||
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xDaunt
United States17988 Posts
On June 09 2017 01:39 On_Slaught wrote: So you'd admit context matters? Here you have your direct boss and the president of the United States telling everyone else to leave the room so that he can ask for your loyalty and ask you to drop an investigation in private? (If I'm understanding what happened correctly?) What about the context doesn't scream "this is an order but I'm trying to be sly?." Classic mob/thug verbiage. Don't act like this isn't something we've all heard in a threatening context. "I hope something bad doesn't happen to your business!" etc. No immediate threat required. The totality of the circumstances matter. Appealing to the robber scenario is idiotic because the "I hope" language isn't the crime. It's the pointing of the gun at the victim. The president is clearly allowed to give guidance to law enforcement regarding active investigations. His merely saying "I hope you can drop the investigation," in and of itself, doesn't even come remotely close to falling outside the bounds of his constitutional authority, thus, by definition, it does not constitute obstruction of justice. | ||
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{CC}StealthBlue
United States41117 Posts
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m4ini
4215 Posts
On June 09 2017 01:42 FueledUpAndReadyToGo wrote: https://twitter.com/waitwait/status/872855465721548801 That's what i thought. Man McCain was hard to follow. The president is clearly allowed to give guidance to law enforcement regarding active investigations. Not if they touch his associates, then it becomes unethical at the very best. | ||
ZeromuS
Canada13422 Posts
On June 09 2017 01:43 {CC}StealthBlue wrote: https://twitter.com/AishaS/status/872856080224837632 Honestly sounded like he was having a stroke. | ||
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Plansix
United States60190 Posts
On June 09 2017 01:42 m4ini wrote: He really doesn't seem to "side" with anything. After watching this (first time i had a "first person contact" with comey), i can't help but feel like that he'd be quite the loss to the FBI. The FBI agrees. Trump did himself no favors when he fired Comey. Any reluctance about the investigation likely vanished after the firing. | ||
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xDaunt
United States17988 Posts
On June 09 2017 01:33 Plansix wrote: To be fair, that is the explanation that Trump gave for the firing during a TV interview a couple days later. Actually, I'd like to look at that interview transcript again. Do you have a link or remember whom it was with? | ||
KwarK
United States44295 Posts
On June 09 2017 01:43 xDaunt wrote: The totality of the circumstances matter. Appealing to the robber scenario is idiotic because the "I hope" language isn't the crime. It's the pointing of the gun at the victim. The president is clearly allowed to give guidance to law enforcement regarding active investigations. His merely saying "I hope you can drop the investigation," in and of itself, doesn't even come remotely close to falling outside the bounds of his constitutional authority, thus, by definition, it does not constitute obstruction of justice. I've asked you this a few times when you've maintained that the president is allowed to instruct law enforcement. Do you think there is a conflict of interest in Trump instructing the FBI on how to proceed with their investigation of Trump? | ||
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LegalLord
United States13779 Posts
On June 09 2017 01:42 m4ini wrote: He really doesn't seem to "side" with anything. After watching this (first time i had a "first person contact" with comey), i can't help but feel like that he'd be quite the loss to the FBI. Exactly. He's a principled investigator who takes his job seriously. He is well respected and deserves that respect. Much of his criticism the election season was far more partisan than was justified. | ||
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