EPTBut he honestly looked like he was just out of it.
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Leporello
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But he honestly looked like he was just out of it. | ||
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Plansix
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On June 09 2017 01:43 m4ini wrote: That's what i thought. Man McCain was hard to follow. It is a bummer. I liked him in the early 2000s. He was moderate and didn't tow the party line. But age has done him no favors. Though people shouldn't be to harsh. The man is old and he doesn't have the option to call in sick today. If he is under the weather for whatever reason, he still has to show up. | ||
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xDaunt
United States17988 Posts
On June 09 2017 01:44 KwarK wrote: Do you think there is a conflict of interest in Trump instructing the FBI on how to proceed with their investigation of Trump? Keep asking. I'm not going to answer because it is a patently stupid question due to the phrase that I have highlighted. I'm not in the mood to needlessly shit up the thread. | ||
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{CC}StealthBlue
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LegalLord
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On_Slaught
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On June 09 2017 01:43 xDaunt wrote: The totality of the circumstances matter. Appealing to the robber scenario is idiotic because the "I hope" language isn't the crime. It's the pointing of the gun at the victim. The president is clearly allowed to give guidance to law enforcement regarding active investigations. His merely saying "I hope you can drop the investigation," in and of itself, doesn't even come remotely close to falling outside the bounds of his constitutional authority, thus, by definition, it does not constitute obstruction of justice. At the same time it's also true that a crime is not required for impeachment iirc. It's enough that he acts like a piece of shit and does shady things for his own benefit. Ofc that isn't enough with this Congress, but we'll see in 2018. | ||
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m4ini
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On June 09 2017 01:44 LegalLord wrote: Exactly. He's a principled investigator who takes his job seriously. He is well respected and deserves that respect. Much of his criticism the election season was far more partisan than was justified. What i actually thought was the most refreshing is the fact that he's a rare breed of people who genuinely loves his country. Most people here (all trumpets on TL included) don't grasp the difference between patriotism and nationalism - he comes off as what is portrayed as patriot in movies. Which, again, is very refreshing to see that there's people who genuinely love america, and are willing to actually make sacrifices (and by that i don't mean sacrificing something/someone elses) to serve it. Maybe that's my former military background, but that guy got mad respect from me even though i didn't like his constant "i could be wrong" at the beginning (which he then dropped, so all good). | ||
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Plansix
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On June 09 2017 01:44 xDaunt wrote: Actually, I'd like to look at that interview transcript again. Do you have a link or remember whom it was with? https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2017/may/11/donald-trump-james-comey-firing-russia-investigation This guardian article is the best I have and they have the clip itself. Trump: "And, in fact, when I decided to just do it, I said to myself, I said: ‘You know, this Russia thing with Trump and Russia is a made up story, it’s an excuse by the Democrats for having lost an election that they should’ve won.’” There is also a quote that he did it without direction from the Justice department, that it was his decision. Of course the defense would be that Comey was to public about the investigation. I think that defense would be undercut by Trumps continued attempts to discuss it with Comey. And Comey's statements that he felt Trump was trying influence the investigation. And the investigation that most of Comey's statements were during senate hearings that the senate requested. | ||
Kipsate
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FueledUpAndReadyToGo
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Trump will surely ragetweet later and flame Comey again | ||
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m4ini
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On June 09 2017 01:51 FueledUpAndReadyToGo wrote: Well anyway Comey called Trump a liar multiple times and didn't trust him enough to not lie about their meetings and that's why he started taking notes. Trump will surely ragetweet later and flame Comey again Well that's a given. Can't wait. | ||
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zlefin
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On June 09 2017 01:48 LegalLord wrote: If anyone finds a full clip of McCain I want to see it. Work prevents me from watching this stuff live. aren't that going to be plenty of full clips afterwards to review afterwards? i'd assume c-span at least will have the entire thing up to watch for some time. | ||
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m4ini
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On June 09 2017 01:52 zlefin wrote: aren't that going to be plenty of full clips afterwards to review afterwards? i'd assume c-span at least will have the entire thing up to watch for some time. I think they have a VOD, i missed the first couple of minutes and the stream gave me the option to "start from the beginning", so it was recorded. | ||
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xDaunt
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On June 09 2017 01:48 On_Slaught wrote: At the same time it's also true that a crime is not required for impeachment iirc. It's enough that he acts like a piece of shit and does shady things for his own benefit. Ofc that isn't enough with this Congress, but we'll see in 2018. Eh, this is sort of true. There's a lot of ambiguity over what the reasonable grounds for impeachment are. It's the kind of thing that will likely be relitigated at the Supreme Court at some point. | ||
ZeromuS
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On June 09 2017 01:54 {CC}StealthBlue wrote: https://twitter.com/ReaganBattalion/status/872857359965724672 You know I agree. The guy sounded unwell. I really do hope he sees a doctor. The slurred speech and rambling was out of character. I haven't heard him talk like that before and I listen to a bunch of these hearings. | ||
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xDaunt
United States17988 Posts
On June 09 2017 01:49 Plansix wrote: https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2017/may/11/donald-trump-james-comey-firing-russia-investigation This guardian article is the best I have and they have the clip itself. There is also a quote that he did it without direction from the Justice department, that it was his decision. Of course the defense would be that Comey was to public about the investigation. I think that defense would be undercut by Trumps continued attempts to discuss it with Comey. And Comey's statements that he felt Trump was trying influence the investigation. And the investigation that most of Comey's statements were during senate hearings that the senate requested. Yeah, that's about what I recall. Not helpful to Trump, but it also isn't the smoking gun on intent. | ||
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