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{CC}StealthBlue

United States41117 Posts

June 08 2017 16:36 GMT

#156121

Plansix

United States60190 Posts

June 08 2017 16:36 GMT

#156122

Ok, McCain seems to not understand how time works?

Wulfey_LA

932 Posts

June 08 2017 16:36 GMT

#156123

McCain's problem: Comey just said there was nothing there with Clinton. Comey suggested that there is more there to Trump. McCain is butthurt that Comey isn't suggesting that there is some kind of Russian coordination with Clinton.

Leporello

United States2845 Posts

June 08 2017 16:36 GMT

#156124

McCain just rambled. Seems confused over nothing.

Clinton's case is closed. It was started earlier, and was smaller in scale.

So what?

edit: does he realize he's accusing the FBI of a double-standard, not just Comey? I honestly don't know, because he really seemed out of it for a minute or two.

Doodsmack

United States7224 Posts

June 08 2017 16:36 GMT

#156125

On June 09 2017 01:32 xDaunt wrote:

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On June 09 2017 01:27 TheTenthDoc wrote:

On June 09 2017 01:21 xDaunt wrote:

On June 09 2017 01:15 TheTenthDoc wrote:

On June 09 2017 01:08 xDaunt wrote:

On June 09 2017 01:04 TheTenthDoc wrote:

On June 09 2017 00:59 {CC}StealthBlue wrote:
Trump is so fucked if there are tapes.

Considering from a legal perspective Comey's memos are functionally tapes, Trump's fucked if he wants to dispute events unless there ARE tapes and they show Comey was a liar.

It's hard to say pit Trump's word against Comey's when the very first thing Trump did was lie about what the FBI thought of Comey.

A couple things here. First, the memos aren't as good as tapes. These are Comey's recollections. Second, the memos are not going to be helpful to Comey because he is going to be limited by what's in them. Let's just presume that Comey isn't an idiot and his opening remarks are entirely consistent with his memos factually (if they're not, then Comey is a liar, and Trump wins anyway). If that's the case, then Trump doesn't have anything to worry about because all that's in the memos isn't going to be enough to show obstruction of justice.

The taken-immediately-afterwards memorandums and recollections of an FBI agent are about as good as you can get, bar actual tapes. If Trump wants to contest the contents of any of the memos, he needs tapes. Period.

The memos are designed to show intent for Trump to obstruct by firing, not necessarily by what Trump did in the memos themselves. This is why Republicans aren't touching on the firing at all, because it's a hot garbage fire.

If Trump could refute the memos and spin his outrageous "my statements should be taken literally" about everything he said after the fact, it would be harder to show any intent to obstruct the Russia investigation.

Actually, the memos don't really show that intent. That's the problem with them. You have to read in between all sorts of lines to gather that intent. Trump's action as set forth in those memos is inconsistent with interfering with the investigation. Yes, he wanted the investigation to stop, but at no point did he do anything to impede it. This leaves the door open to more plausible explanations for Comey's firing (like the one that I laid out yesterday) and gives Trump carte blanche to shape his own narrative. In short, Democrats need something else. I'm not saying that it's not out there, but they aren't there yet.

The memos clearly show Trump wanted the investigation to stop sooner rather than later. And then fired Comey. There's no space "I wanted the investigation to conclude naturally" if you take them as fact.

100% confirming Trump explicitly told Comey he wanted the investigation over with is a big deal for building a link of "Trump unhappy investigation isn't over-> fire Comey." Without the former, we just have a firing and then potentially Trump being (incorrectly) happy the investigation was going to be over sooner.

There's plenty room for alternative reasons for the termination. You're just hyper-focused on one possible explanation.

Problem is when Trump himself gives the reason. It may well be the "gun" Senator Harris speaks of.

brian

United States9641 Posts

June 08 2017 16:36 GMT

#156126

mccain wants him to say they're investigating clinton, not on emails, but on the russian investigation. just wants a new headline.

ticklishmusic

United States15977 Posts

June 08 2017 16:36 GMT

#156127

mccain and trump competing for politician with the most advanced alzheimers or something

ZeromuS

Canada13407 Posts

June 08 2017 16:36 GMT

#156128

wait what?

The clinton investigation started earlier than the trump one .....

Is partisanship supposed to include 1:1 minute to minute investigation time and money spent? LOL