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The Republican health bill is in jeopardy with resistance from conservative House members. The bill's fate could have big implications for President Trump.
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John Boehner, when he was speaker of the GOP-controlled House, once likened his job to keeping 218 frogs in a wheelbarrow.
President Trump and current House Speaker Paul Ryan are running into the same problem.
NPR's Susan Davis reports that the long-promised Republican bill to repeal and replace the Affordable Care Act, also known as Obamacare, has been delayed. It was supposed to get a vote Thursday night, but it has been running into trouble — from both the right and the center.
At this writing, the votes are not there to pass the bill. It could get a vote Friday, but the path forward is uncertain. The delay is a blow to Trump, who for all his efforts at deal-making hasn't been able yet to secure the votes.
No consensus was reached during a meeting with the president and the roughly 40 members of the House Freedom Caucus at the White House Thursday afternoon.
Trump is going to try a different tack — at a point a bit more leftward on the spectrum — and meet with the maybe two dozen moderates in the so-called Tuesday Group later Thursday, White House press secretary Sean Spicer said at a White House briefing with reporters.
Spicer had insisted Thursday afternoon, about an hour before the delay, that the vote for Thursday night was still on (though no time was set). He tried to spin the meeting with the Freedom Caucus as a "very positive step."
But that's not the same thing as having the votes.
Republican leadership can lose up to 22 Republican votes and still pass the legislation. (That's if everyone who is supposed to vote does so. With the full 435 House members voting, it takes 218 votes to pass. But there are five vacancies, and Democratic Rep. Bobby Rush of Illinois, who is dealing with the death of his wife, is not expected to vote. That drops the total to 429, a majority of which is 215. That's the magic number if everyone votes. There are 237 Republicans.)
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Shitty bill is in a shitty situation to the surprise of nobody except the president.
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Cut them some slack, they've only had 6 years and 67 prior repeal bills to prepare.
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I am absolutely blown away at how little Republicans have managed to do this entire time. Why in the world did they not just have a bill ready and waiting?
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On March 23 2017 21:44 Trainrunnef wrote:Show nested quote +On March 23 2017 21:36 Artisreal wrote:
very fitting comparison of a hate laden ideology versus equal right for every loving couple Even then its an inaccurate comparison. They just wanted a wedding cake. so it would be the equivalent of a Jewish person making a cake for a neo-nazi, which as someone previously pointed out is not a protected class.
More like making a cake for a neo-nazi rally.
Could an extreme feminist owning a dance hall refuse to rent it for a church sponsored 'purity ball' (especially if they agreed to rent it for other events sponsored by the same church.
On March 24 2017 06:35 Mohdoo wrote:
I am absolutely blown away at how little Republicans have managed to do this entire time. Why in the world did they not just have a bill ready and waiting?
Because having a bill is not hard... having a bill that everyone will agree to is. (especially because 6 years ago, they didn't know Trump would be the next Republican president and Ryan would be the next Republican leader of the House)
Its like saying plan a 3 year olds birthday party that will make all of the friends happy and no one is even pregnant yet.
(you can get some ideas... but nothing solid)
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On March 24 2017 06:35 Mohdoo wrote:
I am absolutely blown away at how little Republicans have managed to do this entire time. Why in the world did they not just have a bill ready and waiting?
Maybe they thought they had another four years?
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On March 24 2017 06:35 Mohdoo wrote:
I am absolutely blown away at how little Republicans have managed to do this entire time. Why in the world did they not just have a bill ready and waiting?
Because there is no bill that will satisfy both halves of the Republican base.
There is no acceptable middle road between the Freedom Caucus and the conservatives.
What have they been doing? Securing their own job. Governing the country sure isn't what their goal is based on the last 6 years.
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On March 23 2017 21:28 LightSpectra wrote:Show nested quote +On March 23 2017 13:39 OuchyDathurts wrote:
Christians aren't refusing to make homosexual couples cakes because of the content of the cakes. They're just cakes, they presumably aren't cakes of dicks and depictions of gay sex, they're just plain boring wedding cakes. They're refusing to make cakes because of their dislike of the person ordering it. You're demonstrably false because the baker that's been in the news knew the homosexual couple and made them cakes before. Where the line was drawn was a cake that celebrated gay marriage, since that was against their religious beliefs. Or would you force a Jewish baker to make a swastika cake too?
Since when were Nazis a protected class? Nobody is advocating that we end all discrimination against the third Reich.
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On March 24 2017 06:38 Gorsameth wrote:Show nested quote +On March 24 2017 06:35 Mohdoo wrote:
I am absolutely blown away at how little Republicans have managed to do this entire time. Why in the world did they not just have a bill ready and waiting? Because there is no bill that will satisfy both halves of the Republican base. There is no acceptable middle road between the Freedom Caucus and the conservatives. What have they been doing? Securing their own job. Governing the country sure isn't what their goal is based on the last 6 years.
That reminds me of a shower thought I had the other day: What if both parties held primaries which ended in 2 candidates instead of 1? I've been squinting my eyes at the idea and it feels like a cool idea in my mind.
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On March 24 2017 06:40 Mohdoo wrote:Show nested quote +On March 24 2017 06:38 Gorsameth wrote:On March 24 2017 06:35 Mohdoo wrote:
I am absolutely blown away at how little Republicans have managed to do this entire time. Why in the world did they not just have a bill ready and waiting? Because there is no bill that will satisfy both halves of the Republican base. There is no acceptable middle road between the Freedom Caucus and the conservatives. What have they been doing? Securing their own job. Governing the country sure isn't what their goal is based on the last 6 years. That reminds me of a shower thought I had the other day: What if both parties held primaries which ended in 2 candidates instead of 1? I've been squinting my eyes at the idea and it feels like a cool idea in my mind.
CA has a similar system.
All people who want to be a representative of the 23rd district (for example) participate in one single primary, the top two candidates get to be on the November ballot... sometimes its two democrats or two republicans. (so in November democrats can vote for the moderate republican in a republican district, and republicans can vote for the moderate democrat in a democratic district)
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A little change of pace...
Despite widespread disapproval from constituents, S.J.Res 34 has passed the United States Senate with a vote of 50-48, with two absent votes. Earlier today, at 12:25 Eastern March 23, 2017, the US Senate voted on S.J.Res 34, and will use the Congressional Review Act to strip away broadband privacy protections that kept Internet Service Providers (ISPs) and telecoms from selling your internet history and app data usage to third parties. S.J.Res 34 was first introduced by 23 Republican Senators earlier this month and its blitz approval is a giant blow to privacy rights in the United States.
The resolution, which is now effectively half passed, will hand responsibility of broadband privacy regulation from the Federal Communications Commission (FCC) to the Federal Trade Commission (FTC) and disallow the FCC from making any rules protecting Internet privacy ever again.
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Nearly two months after a Republican representative in Hawaii was ousted as the Hawaii House minority leader, she has officially announced her decision to leave the party.
In a letter to the Hawaii Republican Party on Wednesday, Rep. Beth Fukumoto wrote about the partisanship she saw from her colleagues on the right, which included criticism from her own caucus that she felt was due to her participation at the Women's March in Honolulu in January.
"This election, I saw members of my party marginalizing and condemning minorities, ethnic or otherwise, and making demeaning comments towards women," Fukumoto wrote in her letter. "So, when I listened as our now top office holder refused to condemn the internment of Japanese Americans during World War II, speaking out didn't seem like a choice."
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On March 24 2017 06:46 Krikkitone wrote:Show nested quote +On March 24 2017 06:40 Mohdoo wrote:On March 24 2017 06:38 Gorsameth wrote:On March 24 2017 06:35 Mohdoo wrote:
I am absolutely blown away at how little Republicans have managed to do this entire time. Why in the world did they not just have a bill ready and waiting? Because there is no bill that will satisfy both halves of the Republican base. There is no acceptable middle road between the Freedom Caucus and the conservatives. What have they been doing? Securing their own job. Governing the country sure isn't what their goal is based on the last 6 years. That reminds me of a shower thought I had the other day: What if both parties held primaries which ended in 2 candidates instead of 1? I've been squinting my eyes at the idea and it feels like a cool idea in my mind. CA has a similar system. All people who want to be a representative of the 23rd district (for example) participate in one single primary, the top two candidates get to be on the November ballot... sometimes its two democrats or two republicans. (so in November democrats can vote for the moderate republican in a republican district, and republicans can vote for the moderate democrat in a democratic district)
decent system but it does have a problem of being a popularity contest a bit when there's 15 names on the ballot. I still like it better but it's not perfect.
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Also Ted Lieu has best Democratic twitter. Also Takano and Duckworth are attacking the bill as being anti veteran. And it's apparently anti fighting opioid addiction now. Basically everyone but rich people hate it.
then there's this gem
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On March 24 2017 06:48 Gahlo wrote:A little change of pace... Show nested quote +Despite widespread disapproval from constituents, S.J.Res 34 has passed the United States Senate with a vote of 50-48, with two absent votes. Earlier today, at 12:25 Eastern March 23, 2017, the US Senate voted on S.J.Res 34, and will use the Congressional Review Act to strip away broadband privacy protections that kept Internet Service Providers (ISPs) and telecoms from selling your internet history and app data usage to third parties. S.J.Res 34 was first introduced by 23 Republican Senators earlier this month and its blitz approval is a giant blow to privacy rights in the United States.
The resolution, which is now effectively half passed, will hand responsibility of broadband privacy regulation from the Federal Communications Commission (FCC) to the Federal Trade Commission (FTC) and disallow the FCC from making any rules protecting Internet privacy ever again.
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I honestly didn't think they would be stupid enough to pass the proposal 
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On March 24 2017 07:30 Ghostcom wrote:Show nested quote +On March 24 2017 06:48 Gahlo wrote:A little change of pace... Despite widespread disapproval from constituents, S.J.Res 34 has passed the United States Senate with a vote of 50-48, with two absent votes. Earlier today, at 12:25 Eastern March 23, 2017, the US Senate voted on S.J.Res 34, and will use the Congressional Review Act to strip away broadband privacy protections that kept Internet Service Providers (ISPs) and telecoms from selling your internet history and app data usage to third parties. S.J.Res 34 was first introduced by 23 Republican Senators earlier this month and its blitz approval is a giant blow to privacy rights in the United States.
The resolution, which is now effectively half passed, will hand responsibility of broadband privacy regulation from the Federal Communications Commission (FCC) to the Federal Trade Commission (FTC) and disallow the FCC from making any rules protecting Internet privacy ever again.
... Source I honestly didn't think they would be stupid enough to pass the proposal
Internet rights are under constant siege from the government here in the US. No surprise here.
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not too surprising. Heck the president doesn't even use email. and congress is way disproportionately older and less technologically inclined than America as a whole.
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On March 24 2017 07:48 Karis Vas Ryaar wrote:
not too surprising. Heck the president doesn't even use email. and congress is way disproportionately older and less technologically inclined than America as a whole.
Only reason he doesn't use email is because his attention span doesn't last longer than 140 characters 
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it reallly is fascinating how they do not get it. the only way to fix ACA is to FIX it. and that means working with the Dems. a nice chunk of the Repubs dont want to fix it.
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On March 24 2017 06:35 Mohdoo wrote:
I am absolutely blown away at how little Republicans have managed to do this entire time. Why in the world did they not just have a bill ready and waiting?
because actually engaging in sound governing isn't their goal (and to be fair actual sound governing is unpopular, people don't really vote in favor of actual sound governing)
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On March 24 2017 07:51 Acrofales wrote:Show nested quote +On March 24 2017 07:48 Karis Vas Ryaar wrote:
not too surprising. Heck the president doesn't even use email. and congress is way disproportionately older and less technologically inclined than America as a whole. Only reason he doesn't use email is because his attention span doesn't last longer than 140 characters
Or he got tired of all the fake mail offering him medications for his... hand size.
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https://lieu.house.gov/media-center/press-releases/rep-lieu-statement-report-trump-associates-possible-collusion-russia
Washington – Today, Congressman Ted W. Lieu (D | Los Angeles County) issued the following statement regarding the CNN report that Trump associates possibly colluded with Russia to affect the outcome of the 2016 election in the United States.
“The bombshell revelation that U.S. officials have information that suggests Trump associates may have colluded with the Russians means we must pause the entire Trump agenda. We may have an illegitimate President of the United States currently occupying the White House.”
“Other than allowing routine governmental functions, there must be a total and complete shutdown of any agenda item being pushed by the Trump Administration. Congress cannot continue regular order and must stop voting on any Trump-backed agenda item until the FBI completes its Trump-Russia collusion investigation.”
I doubt it will happen with the current politicians - but lol for this to be on house.gov
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