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On March 24 2017 11:20 Nevuk wrote:
I'm wondering here... if Trump is serious, and this health care bill gets voted down, would he be likely to just veto all future health care bills purely out of spite? It seems like something he might do
i'm not that good at predicting trump, so hard to say.
the bill is a loser no matter what, so it's best to just get it done and buried so you can move on and stop talking about it.
belaboring the point is unproductive, far better to have it get voted down so it gets out of the headlines.
it would seem unnecessary to veto other bills out of spite. and that almost seems too consistent for trump, or anyone really; it'd depend on what bills are brought forth.
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The thing about Trump saying take it or leave it is no one buys it. No one actually believes he would veto another bill that Congress likes. It's so blatantly empty that it makes no sense for him to say it. Does anyone think a single person actually believes this is the last time?
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On March 24 2017 11:29 Mohdoo wrote:
The thing about Trump saying take it or leave it is no one buys it. No one actually believes he would veto another bill that Congress likes. It's so blatantly empty that it makes no sense for him to say it. Does anyone think a single person actually believes this is the last time?
If not, i can't wait to see the explanation once the fake news point it out to him.
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On March 24 2017 11:33 m4ini wrote:Show nested quote +On March 24 2017 11:29 Mohdoo wrote:
The thing about Trump saying take it or leave it is no one buys it. No one actually believes he would veto another bill that Congress likes. It's so blatantly empty that it makes no sense for him to say it. Does anyone think a single person actually believes this is the last time? If not, i can't wait to see the explanation once the fake news point it out to him.
If not what?
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On March 24 2017 11:35 Mohdoo wrote:Show nested quote +On March 24 2017 11:33 m4ini wrote:On March 24 2017 11:29 Mohdoo wrote:
The thing about Trump saying take it or leave it is no one buys it. No one actually believes he would veto another bill that Congress likes. It's so blatantly empty that it makes no sense for him to say it. Does anyone think a single person actually believes this is the last time? If not, i can't wait to see the explanation once the fake news point it out to him. If not what?
[Does anyone think a single person actually believes this is the last time?
Regardless of believing or not, if it isn't the last time, a reporter will ask about it.
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House GOP leaders' amended Obamacare repeal bill would cost billions more — without covering more people, according to a new report by the CBO.
The slate of changes offered by House GOP leaders this week as they sought more support for their bill to partly repeal and replace the Affordable Care Act would cost $186 billion more over 10 years compared to their initial version, according to a 10-page report from the nonpartisan scorekeeper.
The American Health Care Act is now expected to reduce the deficit by $150 billion over 10 years, a decrease from the $337 billion initially projected.And it still forecasts that 24 million fewer people will have insurance in a decade.
The estimated cost of premiums would also be about the same. CBO has predicted that the average premium for an individual plan would jump between 15 and 20 percent over the next two years. By 2026, premiums would be 10 percent lower than they would have been under current law.
The revisions, which were packed into a “manager’s amendment” on Monday, had been intended to win over more House Republicans. They included larger tax credits for older Americans, new restrictions on Medicaid expansion and an expedited repeal of Obamacare taxes.
Those changes had been expected to cost more than the GOP’s initial bill, though Republican leaders had hoped it would show that fewer people would lose coverage. The GOP's package was thrown into doubt on Thursday, after House Speaker Paul Ryan canceled a planned vote on the measure.
Republicans are still reeling from the CBO's initial estimate that found their plan would leave 24 million people uninsured over 10 years. The scorekeeper’s latest analysis leaves that estimate unchanged.
CBO did acknowledge that slightly fewer people would lose Medicaid coverage because of a change that would boost federal dollars for coverage for elderly and disabled beneficiaries. But the agency said that other Medicaid changes “would offset some of those effects.”
The decrease in savings is likely to draw fire from fiscal conservatives, without appeasing more moderate Republicans worried about millions of people losing their coverage.And none of the deficit reduction will kick in until after President Donald Trump’s first term in office. In fact,the GOP’s bill will add $104.7 billion to the deficit through 2020, according to CBO.
The costliest changes would come from repealing Obamacare’s taxes one year earlier — a total of $137 billion over a decade. The Medicaid changes would cost $41 billion over a decade.
House Republicans had planned to take up their health care bill Thursday, but that vote was scuttled after a last-minute meeting between Trump and the Freedom Caucus failed to secure the needed votes.
The CBO score does present a procedural challenge, if and when the bill is revived in the House.
Under budget rules, lawmakers can’t propose any amendment to a reconciliation bill that would lower the amount of deficit reduction. That rule will need to be waived in the House Rules Committee, or Democrats could call a "point of order" to strip out that language from the bill.
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On March 24 2017 11:03 m4ini wrote:Can't be, because nobody screamed allah akbar. Except that's not what is reported he said. Take it or leave it is, apart from absolutely idiotic as a "negotiation tactic" without actually having negotiated anything yet, very different to "either you take this, or there will be no more effort to replace obamacare". That's not "negotiating bluster", it's what a mentally unstable person screams at his partner in an abusive relationship.
Mentally unstable person is just your inner Trump expressing alternative facts. What you might mean after second examination is that the tactic won't work. And congressional Republicans are in such a big hole I don't think they'll make it out on this legislation. Trump wants to bully House Republicans into union behind a bad plan and will fail. But if you misread the entire campaign and his first months in office, I can understand why all this is foreign to you.
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"Who's with him and who's against him" in what regard? Healthcare? Wasn't Trump's entire contradictory campaign all about how he supports no one and everyone, and nothing and everything, all at the same time? How could anyone even know for sure if what they believe is what Trump believes?
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Imagine if it were Pence... He's dodged so much of the scandal already.
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This healthcare bill turned into quite the circus. I am in no small part enjoying the chaos.
By the way, a small addition to the Wikileaks CIA leak collection: https://wikileaks.org/vault7/darkmatter/
Documentation for Mac exploits, not very hefty but it's at least something, finally.
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(U) Figure 1.1: Apple Thunderbolt-to-Ethernet adapter
A lot of digital companies use these. lol.
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Yes but it's one of those sneaky ones that puts concentrated evil onto your computer.
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So we finally found a real reason for Apples policy of keep removing useful connectors? More dongles = more CIA vulnerabilities?
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So Trump is now going all-in on the bill nobody likes. If it fails, will he send Miller doing scary talks about how he shouldn't be questioned again?
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my guess if it fails blame Ryan and try to move on to taxes
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Remember when Apple used to advertise that their system was safer from viruses because all the effort was on hacking Windows? lol
USB's are hella vulnerable in general. Too bad they're useful.
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Trump's over it, he doesn't really care about repealing Obamacare, he wants to move on to that sweet repatriation bill and more tax cuts. Basically telling freedom caucus this is the best they are getting and then he's moving on.
The House and Senate are going to drag this out for a lot longer, but it's done for. Senate isn't passing anything the house sends up, house isn't going to sign anything the Senate sends back, eventually a bunch of moderates will agree on some minor improvements to the ACA and that will pass with bipartisan support and there will be 100 different stories of how that happened.
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As soon as anything gets passed, the new plan and all of the results of the old plan are now the Republicans' fault. And while Obamacare is an important stopgap that patched a few holes (while, to be fair, creating lots of new problems), its lifespan is clearly finite - so I wouldn't want it to be "my fault" at all.
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