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On_Slaught
Profile Joined August 2008
United States12190 Posts
Last Edited: 2017-01-25 01:53:00
January 25 2017 01:52 GMT
#132801
Considering he has held every possible position on every issue at one point or a other, it's easy to say he is fullfilling promises. Like Blisse points out, it's easy to ignore all the ones he isn't following through on.
{CC}StealthBlue
Profile Blog Joined January 2003
United States41117 Posts
January 25 2017 02:02 GMT
#132802
Donald Trump’s tax-cutting and spending plans could add another $6tn to the US public debt over the next 10 years, independent budget analysts have calculated, as the Congressional Budget Office warned the US’s current spending plans alone could trigger a financial crisis.

The CBO released its latest assessment of the US budget and economic outlook on Tuesday. The CBO reported that Trump would inherit a $559bn deficit for 2017 and still-sluggish economy that will, on its current course, add another $10tn to the public debt over the next decade.

Trump’s campaign promises of major tax cuts and a vast infrastructure investment would add $6tn to that debt, according to independent analysis by the nonpartisan thinktank Committee for a Responsible Federal Budget.

“My hope is that when Trump and his administration see how high our debt is that it gives them a little pause before they start to pursue huge tax cuts and infrastructure spending,” said Marc Goldwein, policy director of the Committee for a Responsible Federal Budget.

The CBO report projects that the US’s gross debt will grow from almost $20tn to $30tn by the end of 2027. Debt held by the public is expected to grow from about $14tn to almost $25tn. The major drivers for the debt are the growing cost of looking after the US’s ageing population and expected rises in interest rates.

“This is not a problem of runaway defense spending or runaway welfare programmes. It’s a problem of the rising cost of major entitlements that mainly go to the elderly and rising interest rates which are returning to more normal levels,” said Goldwein.

Unless something changes, within three decades the debt will double when measured against the size of the economy’s gross domestic product (GDP), the broadest measure of a nation’s economic health, reaching a level never seen in US history, the CBO said.

“Three decades from now, for instance, debt held by the public is projected to be nearly twice as high, relative to GDP, as it is this year – and a higher percentage than any previously recorded,” the CBO reported. “Such high and rising debt would have serious negative consequences for the budget and the nation.”

A debt of that size would lead to lower productivity and wages, and hamper lawmakers’ ability to use tax and spending policies to respond to unexpected challenges.


Source
"Smokey, this is not 'Nam, this is bowling. There are rules."
TheTenthDoc
Profile Blog Joined February 2011
United States9561 Posts
Last Edited: 2017-01-25 02:13:36
January 25 2017 02:11 GMT
#132803
Note that Trump specifically said the country of origin ban proposed by Rand Paul and Cruz was not going to be effective in the Republican debates, as well, and that his own Muslim ban was the correct course of action.

This seems like a broken promise to me.
Sermokala
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
United States14056 Posts
January 25 2017 02:23 GMT
#132804
Oh no a politician breaking a campaign promise? This almost never happens once they win and get into office.
A wise man will say that he knows nothing. We're gona party like its 2752 Hail Dark Brandon
LemOn
Profile Blog Joined July 2005
United Kingdom8629 Posts
Last Edited: 2017-01-25 02:26:13
January 25 2017 02:25 GMT
#132805
I mean holy shit is Trump winning with the executive orders and immediate action!

Too bad he just can't stop being a petty child that gives so much space to stuff like turnout, voter fraud... Seriously if you guys were his advisors how'd you make him stop
Much is the father figure that I miss in my life. Go Daddy! DoC.LemOn, LemOn[5thF]
Sermokala
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
United States14056 Posts
January 25 2017 02:27 GMT
#132806
Phrase all your arguments like you're charlie sheen and how doing what he should do will increase "winning".
A wise man will say that he knows nothing. We're gona party like its 2752 Hail Dark Brandon
ChristianS
Profile Blog Joined March 2011
United States3262 Posts
January 25 2017 02:35 GMT
#132807
On January 25 2017 10:51 Sermokala wrote:
He never said he was going to jail Clinton he said he was going to get a independent prosecutor to look into everything she did.

When you're leading chants of "lock her up" you don't get off on a technicality like that. Which won't matter anyway if he doesn't even appoint a special prosecutor
"Never attribute to malice that which is adequately explained by stupidity." -Robert J. Hanlon
Lionsguard
Profile Joined October 2016
0 Posts
January 25 2017 02:50 GMT
#132808
So Trump just tweeted about sending the feds into Chicago to stop the carnage going on there. Thoughts?
zlefin
Profile Blog Joined October 2012
United States7689 Posts
Last Edited: 2017-01-25 03:03:23
January 25 2017 03:02 GMT
#132809
I've considered similar ideas myself on addressing such problems.

there is a real issue though with federal/state powers.
i'd want to discuss plans with the mayor and governor to come up with something agreeable.

and how much money will you spend on such a project? what are the goals? how will they be measured?
what about all the other places in the country which also have such issues?
where will you get the money from to work on it? it's a fine goal, but there's already a lot of debt, and the money has to come from somewhere.


trump's tweet is of course far too vague to know the policy details of an implementation, so it'd depend on what those would be.
Great read: http://shorensteincenter.org/news-coverage-2016-general-election/ great book on democracy: http://press.princeton.edu/titles/10671.html zlefin is grumpier due to long term illness. Ignoring some users.
{CC}StealthBlue
Profile Blog Joined January 2003
United States41117 Posts
January 25 2017 03:04 GMT
#132810
"Smokey, this is not 'Nam, this is bowling. There are rules."
TheTenthDoc
Profile Blog Joined February 2011
United States9561 Posts
January 25 2017 03:06 GMT
#132811
On January 25 2017 11:23 Sermokala wrote:
Oh no a politician breaking a campaign promise? This almost never happens once they win and get into office.


Sorry, I should have quoted xDaunt. Just think it's funny he interprets something that appears to be directly breaking a promise to me as upholding a promise because of the sheer number of promises Trump made.
DarkPlasmaBall
Profile Blog Joined March 2010
United States45172 Posts
January 25 2017 03:31 GMT
#132812
Unsurprisingly, the world's disappointment of our election hasn't prevented them from mocking Trump bigly. Case in point...

"There is nothing more satisfying than looking at a crowd of people and helping them get what I love." ~Day[9] Daily #100
zlefin
Profile Blog Joined October 2012
United States7689 Posts
January 25 2017 03:35 GMT
#132813
so, since noone replied to it earlier, I guess noone's heard of any policy proposals based on things that came up during the election.
odd, there must be some out there. feels like sloppiness for there not to be.
Great read: http://shorensteincenter.org/news-coverage-2016-general-election/ great book on democracy: http://press.princeton.edu/titles/10671.html zlefin is grumpier due to long term illness. Ignoring some users.
Mr. Wiggles
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
Canada5894 Posts
Last Edited: 2017-01-25 04:03:34
January 25 2017 03:50 GMT
#132814
Trump administration seeks to muzzle U.S. agency employees

U.S. President Donald Trump's administration has moved since he took office last week to curb the flow of information from several government agencies involved in environmental issues, in actions that may have been designed to discourage dissenting views.

Employees at the Environmental Protection Agency, the Interior Department, the Department of Agriculture and the Department of Health and Human Services (HHS) have seen directives from the newly minted leadership seeking to limit how they communicate to the public, according to multiple sources.

The moves have reinforced concerns that Trump, a climate change doubter, could seek to sideline scientific research showing that carbon dioxide emissions from burning fossil fuels contributes to global warming, as well as the career staffers at the agencies that conduct much of this research.

All of the agencies affected by the actions have some input on issues related to the environment and have been involved in various efforts related to climate change, including effects on natural resources and human health.


Source

Edit to be in line with thread header:

I find this move from the Trump administration to be concerning. I think curtailing the ability of these agencies to openly discuss and disseminate information is a move which exhibits an unhealthy attitude towards science. We'll have to wait for more details, and to see if the situation escalates, but I don't think this move is a good sign of things to come.

We had a similar situation in Canada, where the federal government prohibited researchers from speaking directly to journalists without getting pre-approval. There was quite the backlash against this from the scientific community, as they saw it causing a general "chilling effect", and were concerned that researchers were restricted from sharing the results of their research. Source
you gotta dance
Zambrah
Profile Blog Joined June 2011
United States7390 Posts
January 25 2017 03:59 GMT
#132815
Are these things not paid for with taxes? Why are things that we pay for being withheld from us? If I'm paying for people to study the climate I'd like to know what they find out about the climate. Correct me if I'm wrong.

Also DPB that video is glorious, truly glorious.
Incremental change is the Democrat version of Trickle Down economics.
xDaunt
Profile Joined March 2010
United States17988 Posts
January 25 2017 04:00 GMT
#132816
On January 25 2017 12:06 TheTenthDoc wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 25 2017 11:23 Sermokala wrote:
Oh no a politician breaking a campaign promise? This almost never happens once they win and get into office.


Sorry, I should have quoted xDaunt. Just think it's funny he interprets something that appears to be directly breaking a promise to me as upholding a promise because of the sheer number of promises Trump made.

Let's dial back the pettiness a little bit; it's bordering on the ridiculous here. No one expects Trump to get 100% of everything that he campaigned for. It's not realistic. However, what Trump supporters do expect is that Trump will fight for the things that he campaigned on and, most importantly, make progress towards those goals. Trump is unequivocally advancing the ball on all of his largest issues, and he's doing it with surprising alacrity. His detractors are too busy wringing their hands to see how much Trump is winning right now. The rout is on.
mustaju
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
Estonia4504 Posts
January 25 2017 04:02 GMT
#132817
On January 25 2017 12:50 Mr. Wiggles wrote:
Show nested quote +
Trump administration seeks to muzzle U.S. agency employees

U.S. President Donald Trump's administration has moved since he took office last week to curb the flow of information from several government agencies involved in environmental issues, in actions that may have been designed to discourage dissenting views.

Employees at the Environmental Protection Agency, the Interior Department, the Department of Agriculture and the Department of Health and Human Services (HHS) have seen directives from the newly minted leadership seeking to limit how they communicate to the public, according to multiple sources.

The moves have reinforced concerns that Trump, a climate change doubter, could seek to sideline scientific research showing that carbon dioxide emissions from burning fossil fuels contributes to global warming, as well as the career staffers at the agencies that conduct much of this research.

All of the agencies affected by the actions have some input on issues related to the environment and have been involved in various efforts related to climate change, including effects on natural resources and human health.


Source

If true, this is entirely reprehensible, and I don't know if people would even care at this point, since there's so much to be upset about.
WriterBrows somewhat high. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ndFysO2JunE
GreenHorizons
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
United States23514 Posts
Last Edited: 2017-01-25 04:16:15
January 25 2017 04:14 GMT
#132818
On January 25 2017 13:00 xDaunt wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 25 2017 12:06 TheTenthDoc wrote:
On January 25 2017 11:23 Sermokala wrote:
Oh no a politician breaking a campaign promise? This almost never happens once they win and get into office.


Sorry, I should have quoted xDaunt. Just think it's funny he interprets something that appears to be directly breaking a promise to me as upholding a promise because of the sheer number of promises Trump made.

Let's dial back the pettiness a little bit; it's bordering on the ridiculous here. No one expects Trump to get 100% of everything that he campaigned for. It's not realistic. However, what Trump supporters do expect is that Trump will fight for the things that he campaigned on and, most importantly, make progress towards those goals. Trump is unequivocally advancing the ball on all of his largest issues, and he's doing it with surprising alacrity. His detractors are too busy wringing their hands to see how much Trump is winning right now. The rout is on.


Where are you putting "drain the swamp" in this analysis? You could also answer the question on whether it would be appropriate to be surprised if Trump was lying about policy as well as petty things like crowds if you missed it.
"People like to look at history and think 'If that was me back then, I would have...' We're living through history, and the truth is, whatever you are doing now is probably what you would have done then" "Scratch a Liberal..."
xDaunt
Profile Joined March 2010
United States17988 Posts
January 25 2017 04:19 GMT
#132819
On January 25 2017 13:14 GreenHorizons wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 25 2017 13:00 xDaunt wrote:
On January 25 2017 12:06 TheTenthDoc wrote:
On January 25 2017 11:23 Sermokala wrote:
Oh no a politician breaking a campaign promise? This almost never happens once they win and get into office.


Sorry, I should have quoted xDaunt. Just think it's funny he interprets something that appears to be directly breaking a promise to me as upholding a promise because of the sheer number of promises Trump made.

Let's dial back the pettiness a little bit; it's bordering on the ridiculous here. No one expects Trump to get 100% of everything that he campaigned for. It's not realistic. However, what Trump supporters do expect is that Trump will fight for the things that he campaigned on and, most importantly, make progress towards those goals. Trump is unequivocally advancing the ball on all of his largest issues, and he's doing it with surprising alacrity. His detractors are too busy wringing their hands to see how much Trump is winning right now. The rout is on.


Where are you putting "drain the swamp" in this analysis? You could also answer the question on whether it would be appropriate to be surprised if Trump was lying about policy as well as petty things like crowds if you missed it.

This is Trump's first week in office. Give him time. D.C. Doesn't turn on a dime.
zlefin
Profile Blog Joined October 2012
United States7689 Posts
January 25 2017 04:22 GMT
#132820
continued reading the achen book today; read up on the Alberta Social Credit party, and it reminded me of the current election; can anyone more familiar with Canadian politics provide more input on whether there is a useful comparison there?
Great read: http://shorensteincenter.org/news-coverage-2016-general-election/ great book on democracy: http://press.princeton.edu/titles/10671.html zlefin is grumpier due to long term illness. Ignoring some users.
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