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On January 25 2017 06:53 LegalLord wrote: Comey is fine. Glad he's staying.
Maybe the FBI will soon corroborate Trump's statement saying that "millions" of people have voted illegally :D
On January 25 2017 07:00 zlefin wrote:
On January 25 2017 06:50 Djzapz wrote: Trump asks Comey to stay... what a coincidence!
"I'll drain the swamp" he says... after making the swamp worse, and rewarding the people who helped him get elected from inside the government. JFC.
comey staying for now is fine. despite his screwup he's still better than many.
I'm better than many!
so am I. but we're not in government, so we have to take what we can get. he's still alot better than congress and the president, and most of trumps appointees. so i'm fine with him staying.
I mean I guess that's fair enough in that Trump's appointees are the worst... like that education lady. I just am under the impression that it's a kickback for a service when Comey helped Trump's campaign in a move that seemed deliberate.
It's not a kickback. It's just choosing not to fire someone for the unfortunate result of a good faith judgment call.
On January 25 2017 06:53 LegalLord wrote: Comey is fine. Glad he's staying.
Maybe the FBI will soon corroborate Trump's statement saying that "millions" of people have voted illegally :D
On January 25 2017 07:00 zlefin wrote:
On January 25 2017 06:50 Djzapz wrote: Trump asks Comey to stay... what a coincidence!
"I'll drain the swamp" he says... after making the swamp worse, and rewarding the people who helped him get elected from inside the government. JFC.
comey staying for now is fine. despite his screwup he's still better than many.
I'm better than many!
so am I. but we're not in government, so we have to take what we can get. he's still alot better than congress and the president, and most of trumps appointees. so i'm fine with him staying.
I mean I guess that's fair enough in that Trump's appointees are the worst... like that education lady. I just am under the impression that it's a kickback for a service when Comey helped Trump's campaign in a move that seemed deliberate.
It's not a kickback. It's just choosing not to fire someone for the unfortunate result of a good faith judgment call.
Well I mean to an extent I think I could be wrong but you seem to be in the "know" regarding the motives. From my perspective it seemed like Comey went out of his way to tell the media that they were reopening an investigation, and when the content of the new stuff they had came to light, it seemed very insubstantial. I think it's hard not to see how it could be deliberate.
So when you say "it's not a kickback", do you know? And can you not see how it could look like one?
On January 25 2017 06:53 LegalLord wrote: Comey is fine. Glad he's staying.
Maybe the FBI will soon corroborate Trump's statement saying that "millions" of people have voted illegally :D
On January 25 2017 07:00 zlefin wrote:
On January 25 2017 06:50 Djzapz wrote: Trump asks Comey to stay... what a coincidence!
"I'll drain the swamp" he says... after making the swamp worse, and rewarding the people who helped him get elected from inside the government. JFC.
comey staying for now is fine. despite his screwup he's still better than many.
I'm better than many!
so am I. but we're not in government, so we have to take what we can get. he's still alot better than congress and the president, and most of trumps appointees. so i'm fine with him staying.
I mean I guess that's fair enough in that Trump's appointees are the worst... like that education lady. I just am under the impression that it's a kickback for a service when Comey helped Trump's campaign in a move that seemed deliberate.
It's not a kickback. It's just choosing not to fire someone for the unfortunate result of a good faith judgment call.
Well I mean to an extent I think I could be wrong but you seem to be in the "know" regarding the motives. From my perspective it seemed like Comey went out of his way to tell the media that they were reopening an investigation, and when the content of the new stuff they had came to light, it seemed very insubstantial. I think it's hard not to see how it could be deliberate.
So when you say "it's not a kickback", do you know? And can you not see how it could look like one?
There was some article a while ago that explained Comey's thought process. The DoJ lost a lot of credibility in the wake of the Bill-Lynch meeting, and Comey felt that if he didn't inform Congress (he didn't inform the media - it leaked) at least in brief, then he would be creating a conflict of interest. There were a fair number of people who thought he was right, plenty of others who thought differently.
Also, he didn't reappoint Comey. He just chose not to fire him. Comey still has six years left in his position as FBI director - Trump simply decided not to ask him to resign.
On January 25 2017 06:53 LegalLord wrote: Comey is fine. Glad he's staying.
Maybe the FBI will soon corroborate Trump's statement saying that "millions" of people have voted illegally :D
On January 25 2017 07:00 zlefin wrote:
On January 25 2017 06:50 Djzapz wrote: Trump asks Comey to stay... what a coincidence!
"I'll drain the swamp" he says... after making the swamp worse, and rewarding the people who helped him get elected from inside the government. JFC.
comey staying for now is fine. despite his screwup he's still better than many.
I'm better than many!
so am I. but we're not in government, so we have to take what we can get. he's still alot better than congress and the president, and most of trumps appointees. so i'm fine with him staying.
I mean I guess that's fair enough in that Trump's appointees are the worst... like that education lady. I just am under the impression that it's a kickback for a service when Comey helped Trump's campaign in a move that seemed deliberate.
It's not a kickback. It's just choosing not to fire someone for the unfortunate result of a good faith judgment call.
Well I mean to an extent I think I could be wrong but you seem to be in the "know" regarding the motives. From my perspective it seemed like Comey went out of his way to tell the media that they were reopening an investigation, and when the content of the new stuff they had came to light, it seemed very insubstantial. I think it's hard not to see how it could be deliberate.
So when you say "it's not a kickback", do you know? And can you not see how it could look like one?
it's hard to truly know motives; but on the balance of evidence, it's certainly quite possible comey made a reasonable choice under the circumstance; I would say his choice was incorrect, but it's not entirely unreasonable or implausible.
some people are of course overly sure one way or the other; it's in human nature to be inaccurately sure of things. i.e. to be totally sure when the evidence isn't there to justify it.
On January 25 2017 07:55 Djzapz wrote: Alright then, maybe my gut feeling is not to be trusted, as is often the case. I'll try to inform myself.
if you want elaboration on anything, thought processes, or analysis, we're all here to provide it.
I'm out of my league on this one, followed it on the surface, my initial thought was "yep he's going to be rewarded for that", then it happened and it all seemed to connect together. I'll make a run at it later though, thanks.
On January 25 2017 06:53 LegalLord wrote: Comey is fine. Glad he's staying.
Maybe the FBI will soon corroborate Trump's statement saying that "millions" of people have voted illegally :D
On January 25 2017 07:00 zlefin wrote:
On January 25 2017 06:50 Djzapz wrote: Trump asks Comey to stay... what a coincidence!
"I'll drain the swamp" he says... after making the swamp worse, and rewarding the people who helped him get elected from inside the government. JFC.
comey staying for now is fine. despite his screwup he's still better than many.
I'm better than many!
so am I. but we're not in government, so we have to take what we can get. he's still alot better than congress and the president, and most of trumps appointees. so i'm fine with him staying.
I mean I guess that's fair enough in that Trump's appointees are the worst... like that education lady. I just am under the impression that it's a kickback for a service when Comey helped Trump's campaign in a move that seemed deliberate.
It's not a kickback. It's just choosing not to fire someone for the unfortunate result of a good faith judgment call.
Well I mean to an extent I think I could be wrong but you seem to be in the "know" regarding the motives. From my perspective it seemed like Comey went out of his way to tell the media that they were reopening an investigation, and when the content of the new stuff they had came to light, it seemed very insubstantial. I think it's hard not to see how it could be deliberate.
So when you say "it's not a kickback", do you know? And can you not see how it could look like one?
There was some article a while ago that explained Comey's thought process. The DoJ lost a lot of credibility in the wake of the Bill-Lynch meeting, and Comey felt that if he didn't inform Congress (he didn't inform the media - it leaked) at least in brief, then he would be creating a conflict of interest. There were a fair number of people who thought he was right, plenty of others who thought differently.
Also, he didn't reappoint Comey. He just chose not to fire him. Comey still has six years left in his position as FBI director - Trump simply decided not to ask him to resign.
There's a ten year limit. Only one person has ever reached this since congress put the term limit in place so I wouldn't say he has six years left in his position as that's misleading.
On January 25 2017 06:53 LegalLord wrote: Comey is fine. Glad he's staying.
Maybe the FBI will soon corroborate Trump's statement saying that "millions" of people have voted illegally :D
On January 25 2017 07:00 zlefin wrote:
On January 25 2017 06:50 Djzapz wrote: Trump asks Comey to stay... what a coincidence!
"I'll drain the swamp" he says... after making the swamp worse, and rewarding the people who helped him get elected from inside the government. JFC.
comey staying for now is fine. despite his screwup he's still better than many.
I'm better than many!
so am I. but we're not in government, so we have to take what we can get. he's still alot better than congress and the president, and most of trumps appointees. so i'm fine with him staying.
I mean I guess that's fair enough in that Trump's appointees are the worst... like that education lady. I just am under the impression that it's a kickback for a service when Comey helped Trump's campaign in a move that seemed deliberate.
It's not a kickback. It's just choosing not to fire someone for the unfortunate result of a good faith judgment call.
Well I mean to an extent I think I could be wrong but you seem to be in the "know" regarding the motives. From my perspective it seemed like Comey went out of his way to tell the media that they were reopening an investigation, and when the content of the new stuff they had came to light, it seemed very insubstantial. I think it's hard not to see how it could be deliberate.
So when you say "it's not a kickback", do you know? And can you not see how it could look like one?
it's hard to truly know motives; but on the balance of evidence, it's certainly quite possible comey made a reasonable choice under the circumstance; I would say his choice was incorrect, but it's not entirely unreasonable or implausible.
some people are of course overly sure one way or the other; it's in human nature to be inaccurately sure of things. i.e. to be totally sure when the evidence isn't there to justify it.
Comey has been in the Clinton power-structure for a couple of decades, but he's well-liked, apparently, within the FBI. Which is why he sent the letter to Congress. That was actually to prevent a mutiny within the Department. Everyone wanted to call the Email Server a "distraction", but it was about the worst security leak in the post-Cold War. Far worse than what Snowden gave away. Everyone else was reading the SoS's emails in real-time. And there was SAP-flagged files within those emails.
That's not a small issue. That's a "20 years to life" issue. If someone in the FBI office just outright dumped the investigation file, all Hell really would break out in Washington. The Clinton Foundation is a massive corruption scheme with ties to practically everyone. Which is exactly the tightrope that Comey was walking, and why Trump kept him. Now it's the time to unleash everything. It can wait. Expect Comey to probably be retained until after the Midterm before he calmly retires from office. (And hopes the Clintons don't blame him for the loss, as he might just end up dead for his troubles.)
On January 25 2017 06:53 LegalLord wrote: Comey is fine. Glad he's staying.
Maybe the FBI will soon corroborate Trump's statement saying that "millions" of people have voted illegally :D
On January 25 2017 07:00 zlefin wrote:
On January 25 2017 06:50 Djzapz wrote: Trump asks Comey to stay... what a coincidence!
"I'll drain the swamp" he says... after making the swamp worse, and rewarding the people who helped him get elected from inside the government. JFC.
comey staying for now is fine. despite his screwup he's still better than many.
I'm better than many!
so am I. but we're not in government, so we have to take what we can get. he's still alot better than congress and the president, and most of trumps appointees. so i'm fine with him staying.
I mean I guess that's fair enough in that Trump's appointees are the worst... like that education lady. I just am under the impression that it's a kickback for a service when Comey helped Trump's campaign in a move that seemed deliberate.
It's not a kickback. It's just choosing not to fire someone for the unfortunate result of a good faith judgment call.
Well I mean to an extent I think I could be wrong but you seem to be in the "know" regarding the motives. From my perspective it seemed like Comey went out of his way to tell the media that they were reopening an investigation, and when the content of the new stuff they had came to light, it seemed very insubstantial. I think it's hard not to see how it could be deliberate.
So when you say "it's not a kickback", do you know? And can you not see how it could look like one?
it's hard to truly know motives; but on the balance of evidence, it's certainly quite possible comey made a reasonable choice under the circumstance; I would say his choice was incorrect, but it's not entirely unreasonable or implausible.
some people are of course overly sure one way or the other; it's in human nature to be inaccurately sure of things. i.e. to be totally sure when the evidence isn't there to justify it.
Everyone else was reading the SoS's emails in real-time.
I don't think Trump is the man to handle a diplomatic conflict of that kind. The Israel Palestine conflict is five minutes away from escalating on a good day. This embassy plan is so bad, the world doesn't need a third intifada right now
Watch 0:54 - 1:11 if you would like to witness a prophecy. And also a reminder that Trump is a bonafied racist who birthed his political presence through racist baiting.
On January 25 2017 06:53 LegalLord wrote: Comey is fine. Glad he's staying.
Maybe the FBI will soon corroborate Trump's statement saying that "millions" of people have voted illegally :D
On January 25 2017 07:00 zlefin wrote:
On January 25 2017 06:50 Djzapz wrote: Trump asks Comey to stay... what a coincidence!
"I'll drain the swamp" he says... after making the swamp worse, and rewarding the people who helped him get elected from inside the government. JFC.
comey staying for now is fine. despite his screwup he's still better than many.
I'm better than many!
so am I. but we're not in government, so we have to take what we can get. he's still alot better than congress and the president, and most of trumps appointees. so i'm fine with him staying.
I mean I guess that's fair enough in that Trump's appointees are the worst... like that education lady. I just am under the impression that it's a kickback for a service when Comey helped Trump's campaign in a move that seemed deliberate.
It's not a kickback. It's just choosing not to fire someone for the unfortunate result of a good faith judgment call.
Well I mean to an extent I think I could be wrong but you seem to be in the "know" regarding the motives. From my perspective it seemed like Comey went out of his way to tell the media that they were reopening an investigation, and when the content of the new stuff they had came to light, it seemed very insubstantial. I think it's hard not to see how it could be deliberate.
So when you say "it's not a kickback", do you know? And can you not see how it could look like one?
it's hard to truly know motives; but on the balance of evidence, it's certainly quite possible comey made a reasonable choice under the circumstance; I would say his choice was incorrect, but it's not entirely unreasonable or implausible.
some people are of course overly sure one way or the other; it's in human nature to be inaccurately sure of things. i.e. to be totally sure when the evidence isn't there to justify it.
Comey has been in the Clinton power-structure for a couple of decades, but he's well-liked, apparently, within the FBI. Which is why he sent the letter to Congress. That was actually to prevent a mutiny within the Department. Everyone wanted to call the Email Server a "distraction", but it was about the worst security leak in the post-Cold War. Far worse than what Snowden gave away. Everyone else was reading the SoS's emails in real-time. And there was SAP-flagged files within those emails.
That's not a small issue. That's a "20 years to life" issue. If someone in the FBI office just outright dumped the investigation file, all Hell really would break out in Washington. The Clinton Foundation is a massive corruption scheme with ties to practically everyone. Which is exactly the tightrope that Comey was walking, and why Trump kept him. Now it's the time to unleash everything. It can wait. Expect Comey to probably be retained until after the Midterm before he calmly retires from office. (And hopes the Clintons don't blame him for the loss, as he might just end up dead for his troubles.)
as mohdoo said, let's see a source. otherwise you're just spouting a bunch of conspiracy nonsense.
Like I have said, it is becoming very clear that Trump fully intends to follow through on his campaign promises:
U.S. President Donald Trump is expected to sign several executive orders on Wednesday restricting immigration from Syria and six other Middle Eastern or African countries, according to several congressional aides and immigration experts briefed on the matter.
In addition to Syria, Trump's orders are expected to temporarily restrict access to the United States for most refugees. Another order will block visas from being issued to those from Iraq, Iran, Libya, Somalia, Sudan and Yemen, said the aides and experts, who asked not to be identified.
The restrictions on refugees are likely to include a multi-month ban on admissions from all countries until the State Department and the Department of Homeland Security can make the vetting process more rigorous.
Stephen Legomsky, a former chief counsel at U.S. Citizenship and Immigration Services in the Obama administration, said the president has the authority to limit refugee admissions and the issuance of visas to specific countries if it is determined to be in the public’s interest.
“From a legal standpoint, it would be exactly within his legal rights,” said Legomsky, who now is a professor at Washington University School of Law in St. Louis. “But from a policy standpoint it would be terrible idea because there is such an urgent humanitarian need right now for refugees.”
The Republican president was expected to sign the orders at the headquarters of the Department of Homeland Security, whose responsibilities include immigration and border security.
Obviously he'll follow through on the promises he wants and ignore the ones he doesn't want. What about promising to jail Clinton? What about the 30ft wall paid by Mexico? Be wary of confirmation bias. We'll have to see which 76 promises he plans to keep.
538's How America’s Thinking Changed Under Obama is really neat. Likely not enough data points, but it's really telling that people believe the race relations have gotten worse (or maybe strange that 70+% thought it was generally good in 2008).
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