US Politics Mega-thread - Page 6267

On November 19 2016 07:53 Blisse wrote:
Does this boil down to whether Bannon turning Breitbart into an alt-right newsground mean that Bannon is a white nationalist/supremist? How do you distinguish between the alt-right and white nationalism/supremism?

On November 19 2016 08:05 xDaunt wrote:

White nationalism and white supremacism are parts of some elements of the Alt-Right. However, Breitbart is not an Alt-Right media outlet. Nor is it a white supremacist/nationalist media outlet. The real tip off is that the real white supremacists don't consider Breitbart to be part of the Alt-Right, and they hate some of the folks at Breitbart. The problem is that mainstream media and democrats are casually throwing around labels that they don't even understand. They haven't done their homework, and frankly, they don't care because they thought that they could use the Alt-Right as a massive strawman to take down Trump. Like I discussed at the time, all that they did was piss into the wind.

On November 19 2016 07:53 Blisse wrote:
Does this boil down to whether Bannon turning Breitbart into an alt-right newsground mean that Bannon is a white nationalist/supremist? How do you distinguish between the alt-right and white nationalism/supremism?

On November 19 2016 08:24 kwizach wrote:

"We're the platform for the alt-right"
-- Steve Bannon

On November 19 2016 08:26 oBlade wrote:

People seem to memeify Breitbart, which is a news outlet, as like 4chan News Network because of its open comment section, and project what they see there, or even what they just imagine must be there, onto the organization. I'm a little skeptical how many people have actually gone there and just read the news. Like hunts was suggesting earlier they post fake articles and blogs, but in reality they have not much editorializing (later I learned this was one of the design goals in mind) and nothing fake, that's a dangerous delusion.

I encourage everyone to read it on their own, especially those on the left. Not to get converted to Trumpism, but because it's one of the biggest US outlets and most credible besides Fox for what you'd consider the opposition, and with the Trump administration coming, it's going to be here for a while. You want to see for yourself what the opposition is up to and draw your own conclusions. Not call them fake and Scientology-disconnect them. Reading multiple sides of the aisle is just how to stay informed.

On November 19 2016 08:27 xDaunt wrote:

One supposed quote being reported by a Mother Jones reporter is not enough to overcome all of the other statements by Bannon and other Breitbart folks (not to mention the real Alt-Right folks) saying otherwise.

On November 19 2016 08:26 oBlade wrote:

in reality they have not much editorializing (later I learned this was one of the design goals in mind)

On November 19 2016 08:39 kwizach wrote:

This is interesting -- Bannon's statement on Breitbart being the "platform from the alt-right" has been widely quoted in the media, and I have yet to find a single instance of him denying he said that. What is your evidence that Bannon is denying that Breitbart is a platform for the alt-right, and that the reporter quoting him invented the statement? From what I'm seeing, even the Breitbart editorial staff itself is not denying that Bannon said that Breitbart was the platform for the alt-right. It seems like you are simply wrong.

On November 19 2016 08:50 Falling wrote:
So largely a disagreement on definite vs indefinite articles. They deny 'premier website', but the original quote says 'the platform'. The reporter believes 'the platform' more or less means premier or the main one as Bannon didn't say 'a platform', as in one platform among many.

A Baltimore Police officer was sentenced Friday to 12 years in prison in the shooting of an unarmed burglary suspect in East Baltimore.

Wesley Cagle, 47, was found guilty by a jury in August of first-degree assault and a handgun charge for shooting of Michael Johansen in December 2014. Prosecutors said Cagle shot Johansen in the groin as he lay in the doorway of an East Baltimore corner store after two other officers had already shot him.

Cagle was sentenced to 12 years for the assault charge and 5 years for the handgun charge. The sentences are to run concurrently. He was terminated by the department Friday, a police spokesman said.

Cagle had testified that he shot at Johansen because he saw a shiny object that could have been a weapon. But jurors told The Baltimore Sun after the verdict that they did not believe Cagle.

On November 19 2016 08:37 RealityIsKing wrote:
The Alt Rights are just people that don't like how the Republican Party was operating.

And Trump is the alternative path to become a president instead of the traditional Republican way.

On November 19 2016 09:07 Tachion wrote:

I am far from knowledgeable on the subject, but from what i understand alt-right means far more than just an alternative republican party. It's rooted in white nationalism and has core values in preserving white identity and rejects progressive and multi-cultural influences like gay rights, feminism, SJW's, jews, muslims, and globalism.

Writing this out, I'm not really sure what differentiates them from an organization like the KKK. There's no real consensus on what the alt-right ideology is yet since it's a fairly new thing, so I'm sure others have a different interpretation of it than I do.

On November 19 2016 09:07 Tachion wrote:

I am far from knowledgeable on the subject, but from what i understand alt-right means far more than just an alternative republican party. It's rooted in white nationalism and has core values in preserving white identity and rejects progressive and multi-cultural influences like gay rights, feminism, SJW's, jews, muslims, and globalism.

Writing this out, I'm not really sure what differentiates them from an organization like the KKK. There's no real consensus on what the alt-right ideology is yet since it's a fairly new thing, so I'm sure others have a different interpretation of it than I do.

On November 19 2016 09:17 Nebuchad wrote:
So I've had to go and read the Establishment conservative's guide to the alt-right, thx guys...

"The media empire of the modern-day alternative right coalesced around Richard Spencer during his editorship of Taki’s Magazine. In 2010, Spencer founded AlternativeRight.com, which would become a center of alt-right thought."

This part, listed under intellectuals (of the alt-right), highlights an element that they present as crucial to the development of the alt-right, the foundation of AlternativeRight.com by Richard Spencer. Richard Spencer who in my echo chamber has been described in unsavory terms, advocating among other things, for the sterilization of other races. This didn't appear in the breitbart article though.

What did appear, though, under the "1488ers": basically a repudiation of nazis, followed by:

"Based on our research we believe this stands in stark contrast with the rest of the alt-right, who focus more on building communities and lifestyles based around their values than plotting violent revolution."

So my initial question is: are we allowed to criticize those intellectuals of the alt-right, and following that, their characterization as contrasting starkly with true racists?

On November 19 2016 09:18 Sermokala wrote:

Do you understand how you poison the debate and dismiss any possibility of a decent argument when you talk like this. First you state that you don't know much or understand much about the alt right (I don't think anyone can really say that they know for sure what the alt right is) and then you go into saying its sexist and racist and nothing different then the KKK.

I mean where do people go from there other then simply stating "no you're ignorant thats not true". You can't tell yourself that you're the better side when you act as bad if not worse then the side you disagree with. You should be asking questions about specific points of the alt right and general trends you see with it that you argue is various names for bad. Otherwise whats the point?