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Slaughter
United States20255 Posts
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Doodsmack
United States7224 Posts
On November 19 2016 04:12 GoTuNk! wrote: Protecting the right to life, liberty and property, the non-agression principle, free speech, separation of church and state, equality against the law, due process and innocent until proven guilty, small government (or at least not HUGE government). Yes, those are the values many Trump supporters voted for. I like them as well, and consider them superior to other cultures. It's about values, not race, by the way. On my lunch break just now, some people wearing hijabs crossed into my field of vision, but nothing you mentioned was affected. | ||
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xDaunt
United States17988 Posts
On November 19 2016 05:53 ZeromuS wrote: Its been about a week and he's already upended a number of democratic norms and he's doing a bunch of stuff he accused Clinton of doing - openly. On top of this the white supremacist, islamophobic, and anti Semitic appointments are scary. I'm glad I'm in Canada, and I continue to hope that the elephant doesn't roll over on us. I wonder how much he honestly could do without getting impeached. But even before that, I wonder how much he could do before the electoral college revolts. Its entire original purpose was to stop a complete idiot who gets voted in by the people to do any real damage. The question is whether its become a figurehead organization at this point though. You guys need to step out of the echo chamber and actually read about who these people are and what they've done before making such sweeping pronouncements. Y'all are so far off-base on this stuff. Here's what Milo said about these charges against Bannon: Newman then questioned MILO on the recent appointment of former Breitbart News Executive Chairman, Steve Bannon to the position of Chief Strategist of Trumps White House. “Do you think your boss, Steve Bannon, chairman of Breitbart and now Trumps Chief Strategist, do you think he has horribly regressive attitudes? He’s been described by some liberals as an anti-semite, a white nationalist, have they got that wrong?” “Well Breitbart is a company staffed almost entirely by Jews, I am a gay Jew and he made me into a star, he flew over from America to hire Raheem Kassam to run the London office who is a brown skinned Muslim. This stuff is ridiculous, what a lot of Brits don’t always understand is how ugly and terrifying American politics can be, the name calling can be extraordinary.” Source. | ||
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Nyxisto
Germany6287 Posts
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Stratos_speAr
United States6959 Posts
On November 19 2016 05:06 RvB wrote: How do you reconcile liberty while restricting the free movement of people? The right to walk, live and work where you want is falls under freedom as well yet Trump (and his supporters) want to restrict it. Of all the different levels of hypocrisy in GoTunk's post, I don't think free movement is one to focus on. Milo also thinks that lesbians don't exist, why the fuck are we taking his personal experiences seriously again? Yea, I'm not about to take Milo very seriously. He has a long track record of saying stupid shit that loses him his credibility. User was warned for this post | ||
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xDaunt
United States17988 Posts
On November 19 2016 06:16 Nyxisto wrote: Milo also thinks that lesbians don't exist, why the fuck are we taking his personal experiences seriously again? Do you have something substantive to say about the charge that Bannon is a white-supremacist, anti-semite? | ||
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Stratos_speAr
United States6959 Posts
On November 19 2016 06:24 xDaunt wrote: Do you have something substantive to say about the charge that Bannon is a white-supremacist, anti-semite? I think that the main charges stem from the fact that he ran Breitbart, which is an explicit vessel for the racist/sexist/xenophobic beliefs of the Alt-Right. | ||
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kwizach
3658 Posts
On November 19 2016 06:07 xDaunt wrote: You guys need to step out of the echo chamber and actually read about who these people are and what they've done before making such sweeping pronouncements. Y'all are so far off-base on this stuff. Here's what Milo said about these charges against Bannon: Source. I wonder at which point we'll be able to skip the "but he has a black/jewish/muslim/woman friend (or in this case, employee!)!" step in discussions about an individual's views with regards to human groups. | ||
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Nyxisto
Germany6287 Posts
On November 19 2016 06:24 xDaunt wrote: Do you have something substantive to say about the charge that Bannon is a white-supremacist, anti-semite? Well he constantly says white supremacist things, I don't care how many Jews he hires. You can be an anti-semite and Jewish. How about stuff like this? http://www.breitbart.com/big-government/2015/07/01/hoist-it-high-and-proud-the-confederate-flag-proclaims-a-glorious-heritage/ "While your supporters are trashing the monuments and reputations of the forefathers of so many Americans, Barack, you might just want to remind us again which state of the Union, north or south, your ancestors resided in during the traumatic years 1861- 1865? Or did Kenya not have a dog in that fight?" Completely normal journalism, right? | ||
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ticklishmusic
United States15977 Posts
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RvB
Netherlands6326 Posts
On November 19 2016 06:21 Stratos_speAr wrote: Of all the different levels of hypocrisy in GoTunk's post, I don't think free movement is one to focus on. Yea, I'm not about to take Milo very seriously. He has a long track record of saying stupid shit that loses him his credibility. Yes I realise that. I'm just the most interested in how classical liberals try to reconcile liberty with limiting the free movement. It features pretty prominently in the Brexit debate as well where a lot of classical liberals are anti EU and anti immigration. President-elect Donald Trump agreed to pay $25 million to settle claims that his defunct Trump University defrauded students, New York Attorney General Eric Schneiderman said in a statement. www.bloomberg.com | ||
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biology]major
United States2253 Posts
On November 19 2016 06:26 Stratos_speAr wrote: I think that the main charges stem from the fact that he ran Breitbart, which is an explicit vessel for the racist/sexist/xenophobic beliefs of the Alt-Right. So you don't think there is differnce between that and him personally having those beliefs? | ||
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On_Slaught
United States12190 Posts
On November 19 2016 05:55 Slaughter wrote: I doubt Trump gets impeached. Do you think the chances of Trump getting impeached are higher than the odds of it happening were when Obama was elected? | ||
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oBlade
United States6670 Posts
On November 19 2016 06:26 Nyxisto wrote: Well he constantly says white supremacist things, I don't care how many Jews he hires. You can be an anti-semite and Jewish. How about stuff like this? http://www.breitbart.com/big-government/2015/07/01/hoist-it-high-and-proud-the-confederate-flag-proclaims-a-glorious-heritage/ "While your supporters are trashing the monuments and reputations of the forefathers of so many Americans, Barack, you might just want to remind us again which state of the Union, north or south, your ancestors resided in during the traumatic years 1861- 1865? Or did Kenya not have a dog in that fight?" Completely normal journalism, right? Your evidence he might be an anti-Semite is an article written by someone who isn't him that has nothing to do with Jewish people, Judaism, or Israel. A piece defending the Confederate flag during a period people were making a special point to attack it and purge such imagery. http://www.msnbc.com/msnbc-news/watch/alan-dershowitz-no-evidence-bannon-is-anti-semitic-809710147844 http://zoa.org/2016/11/10342353-zoa-criticizes-adl-for-falsely-alleging-trump-advisor-bannon-is-anti-semitic/ http://dailycaller.com/2016/11/15/breitbart-editor-defends-steve-bannon-in-biting-cnn-interview/ http://www.jewishpress.com/news/breaking-news/adls-greenblatt-never-is-now-as-anti-semitism-spikes-in-america/2016/11/18/ The ADL, which planted itself right in the middle of the battle against former Breitbart CEO Steve Bannon, has taken a first step back and clarified that they “are unaware of any anti-Semitic statements from Bannon.” Look at all the Jewish people from any side of the aisle coming out to dispel the charges against Bannon. Come on. At some point when you throw something like this out there with nothing to back it up it becomes malicious no matter what good intentions set it off. You can't just decide you know someone is guilty of wrongthink, poison any way for them to get out of it, and then be out for blood. Just imagine if you're wrong, how will you ever know? | ||
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LegalLord
United States13779 Posts
Curiel basically told him to settle or else be a president who has to go testify in court on past dealings. I'm not surprised they ultimately settled. | ||
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xDaunt
United States17988 Posts
On November 19 2016 06:26 Stratos_speAr wrote: I think that the main charges stem from the fact that he ran Breitbart, which is an explicit vessel for the racist/sexist/xenophobic beliefs of the Alt-Right. That you think that Breitbart is an Alt-Right website shows how little you know about what Breitbart actually is and what they publish. Quit taking sensationalist garbage about your political opponents at face value and actually read what they have to say before deciding who they are. This really isn't hard. | ||
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hunts
United States2113 Posts
On November 19 2016 06:41 biology]major wrote: So you don't think there is differnce between that and him personally having those beliefs? Would he run a website dedicated to sexism, racism, xenophobia, and anti-semitism if he did not hold those beliefs? Do you think he doesn't believe any of that but just wanted to run a website that posted fake articles and blogs that were sexist, racist, xenophobic, and antisemitic just for fun while not believing any of it? | ||
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Nyxisto
Germany6287 Posts
On November 19 2016 06:45 xDaunt wrote: That you think that Breitbart is an Alt-Right website shows how little you know about what Breitbart actually is and what they publish. Quit taking sensationalist garbage about your political opponents at face value and actually read what they have to say before deciding who they are. This really isn't hard. Are you actually going to respond to my post and can tell me if you agree whether this kind of journalism is white supremacism or are you just going to dodge given that you explicitly asked me? You do this all the time when you get called out. | ||
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biology]major
United States2253 Posts
On November 19 2016 06:45 hunts wrote: Would he run a website dedicated to sexism, racism, xenophobia, and anti-semitism if he did not hold those beliefs? Do you think he doesn't believe any of that but just wanted to run a website that posted fake articles and blogs that were sexist, racist, xenophobic, and antisemitic just for fun while not believing any of it? Yes it's a niche market to make money using shock value. It's entirely possible, you're the one making assumptions. | ||
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xDaunt
United States17988 Posts
On November 19 2016 06:26 Nyxisto wrote: Well he constantly says white supremacist things, I don't care how many Jews he hires. You can be an anti-semite and Jewish. How about stuff like this? http://www.breitbart.com/big-government/2015/07/01/hoist-it-high-and-proud-the-confederate-flag-proclaims-a-glorious-heritage/ "While your supporters are trashing the monuments and reputations of the forefathers of so many Americans, Barack, you might just want to remind us again which state of the Union, north or south, your ancestors resided in during the traumatic years 1861- 1865? Or did Kenya not have a dog in that fight?" Completely normal journalism, right? Let's bring back a post that I made a few pages ago about the poisonous effect of the SJW's: On November 19 2016 03:04 xDaunt wrote: Plansix is the most notorious and consistent. But the real problem is that the SJW's rhetoric poisons political discourse overall by seeping into the arguments of the left, even if those the various persons on the left making those argument wouldn't consider themselves to be SJWs. We just saw a classic example of this a few posts ago: None of the conservative posters around here are remotely surprised at Doodsmack's inability to accept or recognize that people who want to stop "fix immigration" -- or even stop illegal immigration -- have reasons for doing so that are unrelated to race. So instead of having a discussion on the merits of proper policy for the country, the discussion has devolved to crass identity politics. This is why I rail against SJWs and the regressive left. The liberal argument regarding the propriety of flying the Confederate falls right in line with what I am saying. | ||
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