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On November 19 2016 06:47 biology]major wrote:


Yes it's a niche market to make money using shock value. It's entirely possible, you're the one making assumptions.

On November 19 2016 06:47 Nyxisto wrote:


Are you actually going to respond to my post and can tell me if you agree whether this kind of journalism is white supremacism or are you just going to dodge given that you explicitly asked me? You do this all the time when you get called out.

On November 19 2016 06:47 xDaunt wrote:

Let's bring back a post that I made a few pages ago about the poisonous effect of the SJW's:



The liberal argument regarding the propriety of flying the Confederate falls right in line with what I am saying.

On November 19 2016 06:50 Nyxisto wrote:


What's the argument, Social justice warriors are mean so you have to rehabilitate a racist symbol as a kind of counter-measure?

Obama deported more people than bush, if this is not race related, why do you actually think that 'liberals' do not want to 'fix' immigration? I can answer, because they don't do it while ranting about Mexicans and Muslims.

On November 19 2016 06:41 biology]major wrote:


So you don't think there is differnce between that and him personally having those beliefs?

On November 19 2016 06:58 Nyxisto wrote:
But please answer the question, Obama has deported more people than any other president before, as far as I know his strategy was to foremost deport criminals. So given this fact, why are people somehow convinced that Obama is lax on illegal immigration or does not value American border security?

On November 19 2016 06:58 Nyxisto wrote:
But please answer the question, Obama has deported more people than any other president before, as far as I know his strategy was to foremost deport criminals. So given this fact, why are people somehow convinced that Obama is lax on illegal immigration or does not value American border security?

On November 19 2016 06:58 Nyxisto wrote:
But please answer the question, Obama has deported more people than any other president before, as far as I know his strategy was to foremost deport criminals. So given this fact, why are people somehow convinced that Obama is lax on illegal immigration or does not value American border security?

On November 19 2016 07:05 TanGeng wrote:


As with all statistics, if you aren't looking into methodology, the numbers are meaningless.

According to current figures from Immigration and Customs Enforcement -- the federal agency responsible for deportations -- Obama has removed 1.4 million people during his 42 months in office so far. Technically, that's fewer than under George W. Bush, whose cumulative total was 2 million. But Bush’s number covers eight full years, which doesn’t allow an apples-to-apples comparison.

If you instead compare the two presidents’ monthly averages, it works out to 32,886 for Obama and 20,964 for Bush, putting Obama clearly in the lead. Bill Clinton is far behind with 869,676 total and 9,059 per month. All previous occupants of the White House going back to 1892 fell well short of the level of the three most recent presidents.

We wondered whether there might have been a surge of undocumented immigrants that explained the increase, but there wasn’t. During the first two years of Obama’s tenure, the Pew Hispanic Center estimated the illegal immigrant population nationwide at 11.2 million, compared to an average during Bush’s eight-year tenure of 10.6 million. And illegal immigration actually peaked late in Bush’s second term, at which point the recession hit and the numbers declined under Obama. Such patterns do not explain the 57 percent bump in monthly deportations that we found under Obama.

Between 2009 and 2015 his [Obama's] administration has removed more than 2.5 million people through immigration orders, which doesn’t include the number of people who "self-deported" or were turned away and/or returned to their home country at the border by U.S. Customs and Border Protection (CBP).

According to governmental data, the Obama administration has deported more people than any other president's administration in history.

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In fact, they have deported more than the sum of all the presidents of the 20th century.

President George W. Bush's administration deported just over two million during his time in office; and Obama’s numbers don’t reflect his last year in office, for which data is not yet available.

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President Obama directed U.S. Immigration and Customs Enforcement (ICE) to focus on criminals, not families, during his November 2014 executive action on immigration.

According to their website, "ICE has continued to increase its focus on identifying, arresting, and removing convicted criminals in prisons and jails, and also at-large arrests in the interior."

In fiscal year 2015, 91 percent of people removed from inside the U.S. were previously convicted of a crime.

The administration made the first priority "threats to national security, border security, and public safety." That includes gang members, convicted felons or charged with "aggravated felony" and anyone apprehended at the border trying to enter the country illegally.

In 2015, 81 percent, or 113,385, of the removals were the priority one removals.

Priority two includes "misdemeanants and new immigration violators."

That includes "aliens convicted of three or more misdemeanor offenses, other than minor traffic" violations, as well as those convicted of domestic violence, sexual abuse, burglary, DUIs or drug trafficking.

On the other side of the ledger, the number of people deported at or near the border has gone up — primarily as a result of changing who gets counted in the U.S. Immigration and Customs Enforcement agency's deportation statistics.

The vast majority of those border crossers would not have been treated as formal deportations under most previous administrations. If all removals were tallied, the total sent back to Mexico each year would have been far higher under those previous administrations than it is now.

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Until recent years, most people caught illegally crossing the southern border were simply bused back into Mexico in what officials called "voluntary returns," but which critics derisively termed "catch and release." Those removals, which during the 1990s reached more 1 million a year, were not counted in Immigration and Customs Enforcement's deportation statistics.

Now, the vast majority of border crossers who are apprehended get fingerprinted and formally deported. The change began during the George W. Bush administration and accelerated under Obama. The policy stemmed in part from a desire to ensure that people who had crossed into the country illegally would have formal charges on their records.

Political people in the United States are watching the chaos in Washington in the moment. But some people in the science community are watching the chaos somewhere else — the Arctic.

It’s polar night there now — the sun isn’t rising in much of the Arctic. That’s when the Arctic is supposed to get super-cold, when the sea ice that covers the vast Arctic Ocean is supposed to grow and thicken.

But in fall of 2016 — which has been a zany year for the region, with multiple records set for low levels of monthly sea ice — something is totally off. The Arctic is super-hot, even as a vast area of cold polar air has been displaced over Siberia.

At the same time, one of the key indicators of the state of the Arctic — the extent of sea ice covering the polar ocean — is at a record low. The ice is freezing up again, as it always does this time of year after reaching its September low, but it isn’t doing so as rapidly as usual.

In fact, the ice’s area is even lower than it was during the record-low 2012:



Twitter’s expert Arctic watchers also are stunned. Zack Labe, a PhD student at the University of California at Irvine who studies the Arctic, tweeted out an image on Wednesday from the Danish Meteorological Institute showing Arctic temperatures about 20 degrees Celsius higher than normal above 80 degrees North Latitude.

“Today’s latest #Arctic mean temperature continues to move the wrong direction . . . up. Quite an anomalous spike!,” Labe wrote. Here’s the figure:



“Despite onset of #PolarNight, temperatures near #NorthPole increasing. Extraordinary situation right now in #Arctic, w/record low #seaice,” added Daniel Swain, a climate scientist at UCLA.

This is the second year in a row that temperatures near the North Pole have risen to freakishly warm levels. During 2015’s final days, the temperature near the Pole spiked to the melting point thanks to a massive storm that pumped warm air into the region.

So what’s going on here?

“It’s about 20C [36 degrees Fahrenheit] warmer than normal over most of the Arctic Ocean, along with cold anomalies of about the same magnitude over north-central Asia,” Jennifer Francis, an Arctic specialist at Rutgers University, said by email Wednesday.

On November 19 2016 07:04 xDaunt wrote:

Which question? You keep moving around. And you still haven't posted anything remotely resembling compelling evidence that Bannon is a white-supremacist or anti-semite. And guess what? You're not going to be able to, because the allegation is simply untrue, no matter how hard you poor leftists wish it wasn't. The evil racist Bannon is a figment of your imagination. But hey, keep lecturing us on the right about how we're untethered from reality and the "facts."

As for your question about Obama being lax on illegal immigration, we need look no further than the tolerance and promotion of sanctuary cities, derision of wall building, and all of the executive orders that he wrote trying to pass amnesty by fiat. And don't even get me started on the constant derision that Obama and the democrats throw at the right for daring to suggest that we secure our borders. Yeah, Obama isn't even in Trump's league when it comes to border security.

On November 19 2016 07:28 Nebuchad wrote:
Well xDaunt, it should strike you that while you are accusing people of dismissing claims using terms like "racism" to avoid answering, you are effectively dismissing claims using terms like "SJWs" to avoid answering.

On November 19 2016 07:46 TheTenthDoc wrote:
I mean, Trump said at the debates he's a big fan of Obama's immigration policy and that he was doing a great job. Trump just wants a wall on the whole border...for some reason.

On November 19 2016 07:36 xDaunt wrote:

I've answered everything, so I have no idea what you're talking about.

On November 19 2016 07:53 Nebuchad wrote:


And I described your answers as similar to someone saying that their opposition can be dismissed because it's racist. In the six to seven answers you've given, you've mentioned brainwashing, echo chambers, SJWisms, and SJWs (twice). We get the point. We should educate ourselves until we find out that you're right. We were just hoping that you would be the teacher.