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valaki
Hungary2476 Posts
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Laurens
Belgium4558 Posts
How are the Clinton fans in this thread coping? Where IgnE at? Still only want to discuss one outcome cause Trump is never gonna win? And how about those polls. Who was the guy that said he would seriously have to revise his system if Trump got over 240 lol. Better start revising. Polls once again shown to be completely useless. And what about all those celebrities claiming to leave the USA if Trump wins. I wonder how many will actually do it. Congrats to HRC and the DNC for throwing an election that was almost impossible to lose. | ||
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Danglars
United States12133 Posts
On November 09 2016 15:55 xDaunt wrote: Maybe an election loss-induced health problem? Did somebody tell her if it hadn't been for her FOIA-evading emails or ethics-evading Foundation, she'd have been an easy win against Trump and his campaign-by-tweet? | ||
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BurningSera
Ireland19621 Posts
On November 09 2016 15:57 LegalLord wrote: Do you want more 2016-ing or would you rather we just move on? More please, any day, more. | ||
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iPlaY.NettleS
Australia4462 Posts
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Biff The Understudy
France8222 Posts
So, 'murica, what now? Pierson for Secretary of State? That resounding victory of ignorance and intellectual dishonesty reminds me of Asimov famous quote: "There is a cult of ignorance in the United States, and there has always been. The strain of anti-intellectualism has been a constant thread winding its way through our political and cultural life, nurtured by the false notion that democracy means that 'my ignorance is just as good as your knowledge." | ||
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ZerOCoolSC2
9077 Posts
On November 09 2016 15:56 CosmicSpiral wrote: Trump is an opportunistic narcissist that will say whatever it takes to perpetuate his image, and he's not cognizant enough to form a coherent ideology that can be put into action. At the very least we won't have to worry about him being crafty, which Nixon possessed in spades. Considering that Obama has shamelessly condoned, and encouraged, the use of drones to kill targets without reprisal or public condemnation, the difference may be smaller than you think. This last comment needs context. It was a choice between invading with people (again) or sparing them lives and even greater condemnation. If the US had that power back then, especially Vietnam, they would have used it as well. It was choice between using drones and not human lives to wage war in an area that didn't ask nor need our intervention. | ||
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Furikawari
France2522 Posts
On November 09 2016 15:57 DickMcFanny wrote: Clinton, of course. We literally can't survive another climate change denier. The Paris Accord is now basically moot. Climate won't suffer from 4 years delay. I really think trump doesnt know the map outside USA/MEX/CAN :D | ||
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Scrubwave
Poland1786 Posts
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FiWiFaKi
Canada9859 Posts
On November 09 2016 15:57 opisska wrote: Naively taken, for me as an outsider, this result is absolutely absurd. The whole "two bad options" melodrama has been completely fabricated - maybe Hillary wasn't the most loveable candidate, but in any normal place or time, her "terrible flaws" would have been seen as normal features of a career politician. Yet, millions of people got somehow convinced that she is the same "evil" as a guy who boasts about touching women, spits hate about anyone he feels like the given week and generally doesn't seem to be able to run a bicycle, not to mention a country. This is just some enormous feat of marketing, it will be studied for centuries, I am sure of that. But then I started to learn details about how does America work. For example the whole talk about voter IDs, election availablity etc.. this level of difficulty so many people have voting is totally unreal. I am not sure that americans even realize it, because they are used to it, but there is something terribly wrong with the whole country, if people "can't afford to vote" for this or that reason. I mean, in Czech Republic, you just casually drop by after work to a polling place, of which there are so many everywhere and vote - if there are queues for more than a couple of minute, someone is gonna get yelled at very, very hard. But the rabbit hole really goes deeper - how come that in one of the most developed, richest and powerful country, there are so many people who struggle to go by every day? Even more interestingly, who managed to convince those people that more of free market capitalism is the solution? How can a right-wing candidate take decisive support from the working class? It does not make any fucking sense. The solution to most of american issue is obviously modern moderate socialism - but nobody sees that! HOW? I should not really surprised that you guys elected a muppet, after all, we (Czech Rep.) have one as president (luckily, without much of actual power) and several other nearby countries have some elected representatives highly questionable personalities (and the brits voted bloody yes on the most stupid question ever), I am just genuinely surprised that you voted this particular muppet - a rich billionaire who never did anything useful in his life and has no interest in any real social politics. USA and Czech Republican have about the same voter turnouts, at about 60% of the eligible population. So I don't think your point holds. | ||
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Danglars
United States12133 Posts
On November 09 2016 15:57 LegalLord wrote: Do you want more 2016-ing or would you rather we just move on? The Cubs did win after all. Priebus could step down. Obama could do something memorable. | ||
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Blisse
Canada3710 Posts
On November 09 2016 15:59 Scrubwave wrote: No, they voted for Trump. Clearly they're just too stupid to realize what they're doing. Hey, here's a question- if you think women, Hispanics, blacks, muslims and other minorities are too stupid to vote "properly" what does that make you? Well I lived in Cali and Washington, again liberal bubbles, and those are the sentiments of my friends and the state. Stop trying to shit on people's experiences. | ||
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dAPhREAk
Nauru12397 Posts
On November 09 2016 15:59 iPlaY.NettleS wrote: looks like Trump could be about to make a speech where? | ||
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FiWiFaKi
Canada9859 Posts
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mierin
United States4945 Posts
On November 09 2016 15:57 opisska wrote: Naively taken, for me as an outsider, this result is absolutely absurd. The whole "two bad options" melodrama has been completely fabricated - maybe Hillary wasn't the most loveable candidate, but in any normal place or time, her "terrible flaws" would have been seen as normal features of a career politician. Yet, millions of people got somehow convinced that she is the same "evil" as a guy who boasts about touching women, spits hate about anyone he feels like the given week and generally doesn't seem to be able to run a bicycle, not to mention a country. This is just some enormous feat of marketing, it will be studied for centuries, I am sure of that. But then I started to learn details about how does America work. For example the whole talk about voter IDs, election availablity etc.. this level of difficulty so many people have voting is totally unreal. I am not sure that americans even realize it, because they are used to it, but there is something terribly wrong with the whole country, if people "can't afford to vote" for this or that reason. I mean, in Czech Republic, you just casually drop by after work to a polling place, of which there are so many everywhere and vote - if there are queues for more than a couple of minute, someone is gonna get yelled at very, very hard. But the rabbit hole really goes deeper - how come that in one of the most developed, richest and powerful country, there are so many people who struggle to go by every day? Even more interestingly, who managed to convince those people that more of free market capitalism is the solution? How can a right-wing candidate take decisive support from the working class? It does not make any fucking sense. The solution to most of american issue is obviously modern moderate socialism - but nobody sees that! HOW? I should not really surprised that you guys elected a muppet, after all, we (Czech Rep.) have one as president (luckily, without much of actual power) and several other nearby countries have some elected representatives highly questionable personalities (and the brits voted bloody yes on the most stupid question ever), I am just genuinely surprised that you voted this particular muppet - a rich billionaire who never did anything useful in his life and has no interest in any real social politics. Hard to argue with any of that, tbh.  | ||
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FiWiFaKi
Canada9859 Posts
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acker
United States2958 Posts
On November 09 2016 15:56 CosmicSpiral wrote: Considering that Obama has shamelessly condoned, and encouraged, the use of drones to kill targets without reprisal or public condemnation, the difference may be smaller than you think. Assassination of US Citizens on American soil was legal right up until...(George HW Bush?) gave an executive order forbidding it. It was much worse back then. | ||
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iPlaY.NettleS
Australia4462 Posts
I think they're building up to it now | ||
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Doraemon
Australia14949 Posts
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CorsairHero
Canada9491 Posts
On November 09 2016 16:01 FiWiFaKi wrote: Hillary will not be making a speech tonight. and people were worried about whether trump was going to accept the results lmao i dont even... | ||
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