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On October 16 2013 07:39 {CC}StealthBlue wrote:
So Boehner's plan has failed has he doesn't have enough votes to pass the house version of the debt limit extension. He is worthless.
After all those presents if Democrats are not able to beat Reps and slam dunk the house they are about equally as worthless. Just my humble opinion as an interested spectator of this tragicomedy.
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On October 16 2013 07:48 Doublemint wrote:Show nested quote +On October 16 2013 07:39 {CC}StealthBlue wrote:
So Boehner's plan has failed has he doesn't have enough votes to pass the house version of the debt limit extension. He is worthless. After all those presents if Democrats are not able to beat Reps and slam dunk the house they are about equally as worthless. Just my humble opinion as an interested spectator of this tragicomedy.
I think that it would say more about the American people then about its government tbh.
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On October 16 2013 07:50 Gorsameth wrote:Show nested quote +On October 16 2013 07:48 Doublemint wrote:On October 16 2013 07:39 {CC}StealthBlue wrote:
So Boehner's plan has failed has he doesn't have enough votes to pass the house version of the debt limit extension. He is worthless. After all those presents if Democrats are not able to beat Reps and slam dunk the house they are about equally as worthless. Just my humble opinion as an interested spectator of this tragicomedy. I think that it would say more about the American people then about its government tbh.
Maybe. But electoral districts being rigged so that most Americans are not properly represented in the House of Reps is an issue of both an uninformed citizenry and a corrupt government apparatus.
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On October 16 2013 07:50 Gorsameth wrote:Show nested quote +On October 16 2013 07:48 Doublemint wrote:On October 16 2013 07:39 {CC}StealthBlue wrote:
So Boehner's plan has failed has he doesn't have enough votes to pass the house version of the debt limit extension. He is worthless. After all those presents if Democrats are not able to beat Reps and slam dunk the house they are about equally as worthless. Just my humble opinion as an interested spectator of this tragicomedy. I think that it would say more about the American people then about its government tbh.
Why though? Isn't it the job of a political party to call the other one out and - in a competent manner - tell the electorate why you are the better ones(even though you suck too but a bit less...)
//edit: yeah that gerrymandering is a good point which of course is bullshit and a travesty. That no one stood up to this is mind-boggling. This could be an excellent way to score points for a new and upcoming party for instance(not that it's going to happen but you get the point)
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No a clean CR would pass with the help from Democrats but Boehner won't allow that as he would lose the speakership. This attempt was to bypass that with majority of Republicans, the Tea Party members didn't like the bill so refused to help thus here we are.
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On October 16 2013 07:54 Doublemint wrote:Show nested quote +On October 16 2013 07:50 Gorsameth wrote:On October 16 2013 07:48 Doublemint wrote:On October 16 2013 07:39 {CC}StealthBlue wrote:
So Boehner's plan has failed has he doesn't have enough votes to pass the house version of the debt limit extension. He is worthless. After all those presents if Democrats are not able to beat Reps and slam dunk the house they are about equally as worthless. Just my humble opinion as an interested spectator of this tragicomedy. I think that it would say more about the American people then about its government tbh. Why though? Isn't it the job of a political party to call the other one out and - in a competent manner - tell the electorate why you are the better ones(even though you suck too but a bit less...) //edit: yeah that gerrymandering is a good point which of course is bullshit and a travesty. That no one stood up to this is mind-boggling. This could be an excellent way to score points for a new and upcoming party for instance(not that it's going to happen but you get the point)
The reason i say it is indeed part gerrymandering and part the ideological isolation of a lot of voters, on both sides. To many voters live inside there own sphere of ideology and as such they receive an extremely biased view of events because of the partisanship of the media.
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On October 16 2013 08:03 {CC}StealthBlue wrote:
No a clean CR would pass with the help from Democrats but Boehner won't allow that as he would lose the speakership. This attempt was to bypass that with majority of Republicans, the Tea Party members didn't like the bill so refused to help thus here we are.
Remember resolution sometimetime. Boehner cant even bring a bill to vote anymore without consent from the majority party leader.
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Jim Jordan on CNBC just now: conservative Republicans "won't support" a clean DL/CR, should Boehner bring up
Thus Boehner needs to have Democratic support. So Boehner has two choices: His job, or the economic structure of the country even the world.
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On October 16 2013 08:03 Gorsameth wrote:Show nested quote +On October 16 2013 07:54 Doublemint wrote:On October 16 2013 07:50 Gorsameth wrote:On October 16 2013 07:48 Doublemint wrote:On October 16 2013 07:39 {CC}StealthBlue wrote:
So Boehner's plan has failed has he doesn't have enough votes to pass the house version of the debt limit extension. He is worthless. After all those presents if Democrats are not able to beat Reps and slam dunk the house they are about equally as worthless. Just my humble opinion as an interested spectator of this tragicomedy. I think that it would say more about the American people then about its government tbh. Why though? Isn't it the job of a political party to call the other one out and - in a competent manner - tell the electorate why you are the better ones(even though you suck too but a bit less...) //edit: yeah that gerrymandering is a good point which of course is bullshit and a travesty. That no one stood up to this is mind-boggling. This could be an excellent way to score points for a new and upcoming party for instance(not that it's going to happen but you get the point) The reason i say it is indeed part gerrymandering and part the ideological isolation of a lot of voters, on both sides. To many voters live inside there own sphere of ideology and as such they receive an extremely biased view of events because of the partisanship of the media.
Well that is something the US and its Democracy must be able to endure. Freedom also means the freedom to do stupid stuff 
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On October 16 2013 08:12 {CC}StealthBlue wrote:Show nested quote +Jim Jordan on CNBC just now: conservative Republicans "won't support" a clean DL/CR, should Boehner bring up Thus Boehner needs to have Democratic support. So Boehner has two choices: His job, or the economic structure of the country even the world.
I believe Pelosi has stated that she is fine with Boehner remaining speaker. Now, how long Boehner would remain in office/alive/a republican after being voted in as Speaker by a coalition of democrats and moderate republicans is something Boehner probably really is not trying to think about.
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On October 16 2013 07:39 {CC}StealthBlue wrote:
So Boehner's plan has failed has he doesn't have enough votes to pass the house version of the debt limit extension. He is worthless.
Pretty much. I like the style of "weak" leadership, but Boehner doesn't seem particularly good at pulling it off.
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On October 16 2013 08:18 Nevuk wrote:Show nested quote +On October 16 2013 08:12 {CC}StealthBlue wrote:Jim Jordan on CNBC just now: conservative Republicans "won't support" a clean DL/CR, should Boehner bring up Thus Boehner needs to have Democratic support. So Boehner has two choices: His job, or the economic structure of the country even the world. I believe Pelosi has stated that she is fine with Boehner remaining speaker. Now, how long Boehner would remain in office/alive/a republican after being voted in as Speaker by a coalition of democrats and moderate republicans is something Boehner probably really is not trying to think about.
It's not up to Pelosi if Boehner keeps his Speakership.
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On October 16 2013 08:04 Gorsameth wrote:Show nested quote +On October 16 2013 08:03 {CC}StealthBlue wrote:
No a clean CR would pass with the help from Democrats but Boehner won't allow that as he would lose the speakership. This attempt was to bypass that with majority of Republicans, the Tea Party members didn't like the bill so refused to help thus here we are. Remember resolution sometimetime. Boehner cant even bring a bill to vote anymore without consent from the majority party leader.
Thats stretching it a bit. the real resolution was about bringing the senate bill up onto the floor of the house and it included a proxy of the majority leader. The senate deal that didn't even get passed yet in the senate so it couldn't even come into the house.
They should still be able to introduce an idenitical bill in the house and have it go stright though they just can't sneak it into the house from the senate without the majority leader or a proxy of the majority leader.
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On October 16 2013 08:43 Sermokala wrote:Show nested quote +On October 16 2013 08:04 Gorsameth wrote:On October 16 2013 08:03 {CC}StealthBlue wrote:
No a clean CR would pass with the help from Democrats but Boehner won't allow that as he would lose the speakership. This attempt was to bypass that with majority of Republicans, the Tea Party members didn't like the bill so refused to help thus here we are. Remember resolution sometimetime. Boehner cant even bring a bill to vote anymore without consent from the majority party leader. Thats stretching it a bit. the real resolution was about bringing the senate bill up onto the floor of the house and it included a proxy of the majority leader. The senate deal that didn't even get passed yet in the senate so it couldn't even come into the house. They should still be able to introduce an idenitical bill in the house and have it go stright though they just can't sneak it into the house from the senate without the majority leader or a proxy of the majority leader.
Read the posts you are replying to for once.
StealthBlue was saying Boehner needs to do the right thing, I said he cant do the right thing even if he wanted to because now you need approval from the majority leader and not the speaker.
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On October 16 2013 08:49 Gorsameth wrote:Show nested quote +On October 16 2013 08:43 Sermokala wrote:On October 16 2013 08:04 Gorsameth wrote:On October 16 2013 08:03 {CC}StealthBlue wrote:
No a clean CR would pass with the help from Democrats but Boehner won't allow that as he would lose the speakership. This attempt was to bypass that with majority of Republicans, the Tea Party members didn't like the bill so refused to help thus here we are. Remember resolution sometimetime. Boehner cant even bring a bill to vote anymore without consent from the majority party leader. Thats stretching it a bit. the real resolution was about bringing the senate bill up onto the floor of the house and it included a proxy of the majority leader. The senate deal that didn't even get passed yet in the senate so it couldn't even come into the house. They should still be able to introduce an idenitical bill in the house and have it go stright though they just can't sneak it into the house from the senate without the majority leader or a proxy of the majority leader. Read the posts you are replying to for once. StealthBlue was saying Boehner needs to do the right thing, I said he cant do the right thing even if he wanted to because now you need approval from the majority leader and not the speaker.
and I was responding to the post that gave inaccurate information about the house resolution that was passed on october 1st that it was referring to.
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On October 16 2013 08:56 Sermokala wrote:Show nested quote +On October 16 2013 08:49 Gorsameth wrote:On October 16 2013 08:43 Sermokala wrote:On October 16 2013 08:04 Gorsameth wrote:On October 16 2013 08:03 {CC}StealthBlue wrote:
No a clean CR would pass with the help from Democrats but Boehner won't allow that as he would lose the speakership. This attempt was to bypass that with majority of Republicans, the Tea Party members didn't like the bill so refused to help thus here we are. Remember resolution sometimetime. Boehner cant even bring a bill to vote anymore without consent from the majority party leader. Thats stretching it a bit. the real resolution was about bringing the senate bill up onto the floor of the house and it included a proxy of the majority leader. The senate deal that didn't even get passed yet in the senate so it couldn't even come into the house. They should still be able to introduce an idenitical bill in the house and have it go stright though they just can't sneak it into the house from the senate without the majority leader or a proxy of the majority leader. Read the posts you are replying to for once. StealthBlue was saying Boehner needs to do the right thing, I said he cant do the right thing even if he wanted to because now you need approval from the majority leader and not the speaker. and I was responding to the post that gave inaccurate information about the house resolution that was passed on october 1st that it was referring to.
Seems like it indeed only applies to bills coming into the house from the senate. My mistake then.
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With the possibility of breaching the debt limit looking more and more plausible as House Republicans struggle to appease their caucus and come up with a plan to re-open the government and increase the debt ceiling, one Senate Republican aide placed the blame on a particular senator from Texas.
"Ted Cruz and his Tortilla Coast Republicans are leading us to a default," the aide told TPM when asked what happens next.
Cruz reportedly met with a group of House conservatives at Tortilla Coast, a Mexican restaurant in Washington, D.C., to discuss strategy Monday night.
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On October 16 2013 08:24 {CC}StealthBlue wrote:Show nested quote +On October 16 2013 08:18 Nevuk wrote:On October 16 2013 08:12 {CC}StealthBlue wrote:Jim Jordan on CNBC just now: conservative Republicans "won't support" a clean DL/CR, should Boehner bring up Thus Boehner needs to have Democratic support. So Boehner has two choices: His job, or the economic structure of the country even the world. I believe Pelosi has stated that she is fine with Boehner remaining speaker. Now, how long Boehner would remain in office/alive/a republican after being voted in as Speaker by a coalition of democrats and moderate republicans is something Boehner probably really is not trying to think about. It's not up to Pelosi if Boehner keeps his Speakership.
Do you really think enough republicans would revolt against Boehner to have him lose his speakership if democrats voted to support him.
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On October 16 2013 09:10 {CC}StealthBlue wrote:Show nested quote +With the possibility of breaching the debt limit looking more and more plausible as House Republicans struggle to appease their caucus and come up with a plan to re-open the government and increase the debt ceiling, one Senate Republican aide placed the blame on a particular senator from Texas.
"Ted Cruz and his Tortilla Coast Republicans are leading us to a default," the aide told TPM when asked what happens next.
Cruz reportedly met with a group of House conservatives at Tortilla Coast, a Mexican restaurant in Washington, D.C., to discuss strategy Monday night. Source
lol. tortilla coast republicans, I like that name.
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