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On October 17 2013 05:22 xDaunt wrote:Show nested quote +On October 17 2013 05:05 aristarchus wrote:On October 17 2013 04:55 Adreme wrote:On October 17 2013 04:44 Sermokala wrote:On October 17 2013 04:40 Adreme wrote:On October 17 2013 04:36 Sermokala wrote:http://www.speaker.gov/press-release/statement-bipartisan-senate-agreement-reopen-government-avoid-default
The House has fought with everything it has to convince the president of the United States to engage in bipartisan negotiations aimed at addressing our country's debt and providing fairness for the American people under ObamaCare. That fight will continue. But blocking the bipartisan agreement reached today by the members of the Senate will not be a tactic for us. In addition to the risk of default, doing so would open the door for the Democratic majority in Washington to raise taxes again on the American people and undo the spending caps in the 2011 Budget Control Act without replacing them with better spending cuts. With our nation's economy still struggling under years of the president's policies, raising taxes is not a viable option. Our drive to stop the train wreck that is the president's health care law will continue. We will rely on aggressive oversight that highlights the law's massive flaws and smart, targeted strikes that split the legislative coalition the president has relied upon to force his health care law on the American people
and so finaly the shutdown ends. Next up Mid term elections! No next up we do it all again in January and February. Theres no way for it to happen again any time soon. what we saw was the last gasp of the tea party trying to connect funding the government to funding obamacare. any other time this happenes the senate republicans are just going to leave the house out in the cold while they cover their ass. Really surprised that there was never a push for another name for obamacare. you'd really think that they'd create some name for the program that doesn't connect it to a guy who gives off the image of not careing. The facts of the divide still have not changed though, republicans want to either defund the ACA (obamacare) which democrats have said no to or to go after entitlements which democrats wont do unless republicans put taxes on the table which again republicans said they wont do. The basic structure of the problem has not changes and the large faction of tea party republicans who will force Boehner to do it all over again aren't suddenly going to moderate in the next 2 months. Also I think the president actually likes the name because he feels its going to be a success and having a law that you believe will be a success named after you is a good thing. Yeah, the real question is whether this disaster has cost the tea party extremists enough of their support within the Republican caucus. I get the impression that the senate Republicans have moved against them, but I'm not so sure about the house. Lots of moderates say disparaging things, but no one goes so far as to sign a discharge petition or something like that. Without those moderates really willing to break away from the extremists and push through compromise measures, nothing will happen. We're not going to know for another year how this all will shake out. There are only two possibilities. Either the Tea Party will be stamped out, or it will take over the Republican Party.
It could remain as a small but meaningful segment of the party, but with the rest of the party adopting a norm of being willing to work with democrats to pass stuff even if half their party opposes it. Or there could be a cataclismic split and we'd have three parties for a couple years until things settle somehow.  (I would love for that last one to happen, but I wouldn't bet on it....)
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On October 17 2013 05:25 aristarchus wrote:Show nested quote +On October 17 2013 05:22 xDaunt wrote:On October 17 2013 05:05 aristarchus wrote:On October 17 2013 04:55 Adreme wrote:On October 17 2013 04:44 Sermokala wrote:On October 17 2013 04:40 Adreme wrote:On October 17 2013 04:36 Sermokala wrote:http://www.speaker.gov/press-release/statement-bipartisan-senate-agreement-reopen-government-avoid-default
The House has fought with everything it has to convince the president of the United States to engage in bipartisan negotiations aimed at addressing our country's debt and providing fairness for the American people under ObamaCare. That fight will continue. But blocking the bipartisan agreement reached today by the members of the Senate will not be a tactic for us. In addition to the risk of default, doing so would open the door for the Democratic majority in Washington to raise taxes again on the American people and undo the spending caps in the 2011 Budget Control Act without replacing them with better spending cuts. With our nation's economy still struggling under years of the president's policies, raising taxes is not a viable option. Our drive to stop the train wreck that is the president's health care law will continue. We will rely on aggressive oversight that highlights the law's massive flaws and smart, targeted strikes that split the legislative coalition the president has relied upon to force his health care law on the American people
and so finaly the shutdown ends. Next up Mid term elections! No next up we do it all again in January and February. Theres no way for it to happen again any time soon. what we saw was the last gasp of the tea party trying to connect funding the government to funding obamacare. any other time this happenes the senate republicans are just going to leave the house out in the cold while they cover their ass. Really surprised that there was never a push for another name for obamacare. you'd really think that they'd create some name for the program that doesn't connect it to a guy who gives off the image of not careing. The facts of the divide still have not changed though, republicans want to either defund the ACA (obamacare) which democrats have said no to or to go after entitlements which democrats wont do unless republicans put taxes on the table which again republicans said they wont do. The basic structure of the problem has not changes and the large faction of tea party republicans who will force Boehner to do it all over again aren't suddenly going to moderate in the next 2 months. Also I think the president actually likes the name because he feels its going to be a success and having a law that you believe will be a success named after you is a good thing. Yeah, the real question is whether this disaster has cost the tea party extremists enough of their support within the Republican caucus. I get the impression that the senate Republicans have moved against them, but I'm not so sure about the house. Lots of moderates say disparaging things, but no one goes so far as to sign a discharge petition or something like that. Without those moderates really willing to break away from the extremists and push through compromise measures, nothing will happen. We're not going to know for another year how this all will shake out. There are only two possibilities. Either the Tea Party will be stamped out, or it will take over the Republican Party. It could remain as a small but meaningful segment of the party, but with the rest of the party adopting a norm of being willing to work with democrats to pass stuff even if half their party opposes it. Or there could be a cataclismic split and we'd have three parties for a couple years until things settle somehow. (I would love for that last one to happen, but I wouldn't bet on it....)
I wouldn't bet against there being a party split. It's really close. The Tea Party people truly believe in what they are doing and their view of the Republican Party establishment as being "the enemy" has only been reinforced by this debt ceiling exercise.
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Happy to hear Boehner is gonna stop being an irresponsible, immature idiot and finally allow government to operate. So in the end, the GOP shut down the government, hurt our already wounded economy, and ended up giving in anyway. They are hugely suffering in approval ratings and we are already seeing endorsements of tea party representatives be rescinded. Just like what happened towards the end of the 2012 election, where Obama forced Romney to speak out against gay marriage, the GOP has been forced to show what a joke it has become in the recent years. 2014 is going to be glorious. I look forward to seeing a rebuilt, somewhat modernized GOP. I think they once served an important purpose, but they have been hijacked by archaic, extremist nonsense.
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Doctors don't always know best:
Florida doctors prescribe way more drugs than Colorado doctors
The Dartmouth Atlas is a hugely influential force in health policy, showing that a patients' treatment can, in many cases, depend more on where they live than what's actually wrong with them.
Their new report out today shows that to be true with prescriptions: There's huge variation in how many drugs doctors prescribe, only one-third of which can be explained by differences in health status. ...
Variation shows up when you look at specific conditions, like how doctors prescribe drugs after a heart attack. The National Committee for Quality Assurance, which issues evidence-based standards for patient care, recommends that heart attack patients be kept on a type of drug called a beta-blocker for six months after discharge.
In some places, 92 percent of hospitals achieve this metric. In others, fewer than 68 percent hit the quality standard. ... Link
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On October 17 2013 05:22 xDaunt wrote:Show nested quote +On October 17 2013 05:05 aristarchus wrote:On October 17 2013 04:55 Adreme wrote:On October 17 2013 04:44 Sermokala wrote:On October 17 2013 04:40 Adreme wrote:On October 17 2013 04:36 Sermokala wrote:http://www.speaker.gov/press-release/statement-bipartisan-senate-agreement-reopen-government-avoid-default
The House has fought with everything it has to convince the president of the United States to engage in bipartisan negotiations aimed at addressing our country's debt and providing fairness for the American people under ObamaCare. That fight will continue. But blocking the bipartisan agreement reached today by the members of the Senate will not be a tactic for us. In addition to the risk of default, doing so would open the door for the Democratic majority in Washington to raise taxes again on the American people and undo the spending caps in the 2011 Budget Control Act without replacing them with better spending cuts. With our nation's economy still struggling under years of the president's policies, raising taxes is not a viable option. Our drive to stop the train wreck that is the president's health care law will continue. We will rely on aggressive oversight that highlights the law's massive flaws and smart, targeted strikes that split the legislative coalition the president has relied upon to force his health care law on the American people
and so finaly the shutdown ends. Next up Mid term elections! No next up we do it all again in January and February. Theres no way for it to happen again any time soon. what we saw was the last gasp of the tea party trying to connect funding the government to funding obamacare. any other time this happenes the senate republicans are just going to leave the house out in the cold while they cover their ass. Really surprised that there was never a push for another name for obamacare. you'd really think that they'd create some name for the program that doesn't connect it to a guy who gives off the image of not careing. The facts of the divide still have not changed though, republicans want to either defund the ACA (obamacare) which democrats have said no to or to go after entitlements which democrats wont do unless republicans put taxes on the table which again republicans said they wont do. The basic structure of the problem has not changes and the large faction of tea party republicans who will force Boehner to do it all over again aren't suddenly going to moderate in the next 2 months. Also I think the president actually likes the name because he feels its going to be a success and having a law that you believe will be a success named after you is a good thing. Yeah, the real question is whether this disaster has cost the tea party extremists enough of their support within the Republican caucus. I get the impression that the senate Republicans have moved against them, but I'm not so sure about the house. Lots of moderates say disparaging things, but no one goes so far as to sign a discharge petition or something like that. Without those moderates really willing to break away from the extremists and push through compromise measures, nothing will happen. We're not going to know for another year how this all will shake out. There are only two possibilities. Either the Tea Party will be stamped out, or it will take over the Republican Party.
Or they stay on as a reactionary branch of the republican party with reduced power...
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On October 17 2013 05:22 xDaunt wrote:Show nested quote +On October 17 2013 05:05 aristarchus wrote:On October 17 2013 04:55 Adreme wrote:On October 17 2013 04:44 Sermokala wrote:On October 17 2013 04:40 Adreme wrote:On October 17 2013 04:36 Sermokala wrote:http://www.speaker.gov/press-release/statement-bipartisan-senate-agreement-reopen-government-avoid-default
The House has fought with everything it has to convince the president of the United States to engage in bipartisan negotiations aimed at addressing our country's debt and providing fairness for the American people under ObamaCare. That fight will continue. But blocking the bipartisan agreement reached today by the members of the Senate will not be a tactic for us. In addition to the risk of default, doing so would open the door for the Democratic majority in Washington to raise taxes again on the American people and undo the spending caps in the 2011 Budget Control Act without replacing them with better spending cuts. With our nation's economy still struggling under years of the president's policies, raising taxes is not a viable option. Our drive to stop the train wreck that is the president's health care law will continue. We will rely on aggressive oversight that highlights the law's massive flaws and smart, targeted strikes that split the legislative coalition the president has relied upon to force his health care law on the American people
and so finaly the shutdown ends. Next up Mid term elections! No next up we do it all again in January and February. Theres no way for it to happen again any time soon. what we saw was the last gasp of the tea party trying to connect funding the government to funding obamacare. any other time this happenes the senate republicans are just going to leave the house out in the cold while they cover their ass. Really surprised that there was never a push for another name for obamacare. you'd really think that they'd create some name for the program that doesn't connect it to a guy who gives off the image of not careing. The facts of the divide still have not changed though, republicans want to either defund the ACA (obamacare) which democrats have said no to or to go after entitlements which democrats wont do unless republicans put taxes on the table which again republicans said they wont do. The basic structure of the problem has not changes and the large faction of tea party republicans who will force Boehner to do it all over again aren't suddenly going to moderate in the next 2 months. Also I think the president actually likes the name because he feels its going to be a success and having a law that you believe will be a success named after you is a good thing. Yeah, the real question is whether this disaster has cost the tea party extremists enough of their support within the Republican caucus. I get the impression that the senate Republicans have moved against them, but I'm not so sure about the house. Lots of moderates say disparaging things, but no one goes so far as to sign a discharge petition or something like that. Without those moderates really willing to break away from the extremists and push through compromise measures, nothing will happen. We're not going to know for another year how this all will shake out. There are only two possibilities. Either the Tea Party will be stamped out, or it will take over the Republican Party.
People like to make these grandious statements about what will happen to a particular ideological sect. in reality it'll probably just get pushed to the back of the ideological bus like the libertarians in the 70's or the environmentalists and feminists more recently.
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republicans should focus on beating down entrenched and sprawling government contractors if they really want to make government more efficient. on this issue it seems like the two parties are in bed with the same
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On October 17 2013 05:03 Doublemint wrote:Show nested quote +On October 17 2013 04:44 Sermokala wrote:On October 17 2013 04:40 Adreme wrote:On October 17 2013 04:36 Sermokala wrote:http://www.speaker.gov/press-release/statement-bipartisan-senate-agreement-reopen-government-avoid-default
The House has fought with everything it has to convince the president of the United States to engage in bipartisan negotiations aimed at addressing our country's debt and providing fairness for the American people under ObamaCare. That fight will continue. But blocking the bipartisan agreement reached today by the members of the Senate will not be a tactic for us. In addition to the risk of default, doing so would open the door for the Democratic majority in Washington to raise taxes again on the American people and undo the spending caps in the 2011 Budget Control Act without replacing them with better spending cuts. With our nation's economy still struggling under years of the president's policies, raising taxes is not a viable option. Our drive to stop the train wreck that is the president's health care law will continue. We will rely on aggressive oversight that highlights the law's massive flaws and smart, targeted strikes that split the legislative coalition the president has relied upon to force his health care law on the American people
and so finaly the shutdown ends. Next up Mid term elections! No next up we do it all again in January and February. Theres no way for it to happen again any time soon. what we saw was the last gasp of the tea party trying to connect funding the government to funding obamacare. any other time this happenes the senate republicans are just going to leave the house out in the cold while they cover their ass. Really surprised that there was never a push for another name for obamacare. you'd really think that they'd create some name for the program that doesn't connect it to a guy who gives off the image of not careing. Yeah that's exactly the image he is giving... not "careing" Micronesia had an interesting thing to say about why he thinks Dems let the Reps go through with the name Obamacare. http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=430793¤tpage=35#683
You don't live in america so you don't get as much of exposure to obama in the public like you would if you lived in america. If you did you'd know obamas thing is to be aloof and above politics.
I can't really accept his explanation about it beacuse then it justifies "redskins" and non black people useing the n word. It seems like the oddiest of things to just accept whatever your opponent calls what you do.
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On October 17 2013 08:01 Sermokala wrote:Show nested quote +On October 17 2013 05:03 Doublemint wrote:On October 17 2013 04:44 Sermokala wrote:On October 17 2013 04:40 Adreme wrote:On October 17 2013 04:36 Sermokala wrote:http://www.speaker.gov/press-release/statement-bipartisan-senate-agreement-reopen-government-avoid-default
The House has fought with everything it has to convince the president of the United States to engage in bipartisan negotiations aimed at addressing our country's debt and providing fairness for the American people under ObamaCare. That fight will continue. But blocking the bipartisan agreement reached today by the members of the Senate will not be a tactic for us. In addition to the risk of default, doing so would open the door for the Democratic majority in Washington to raise taxes again on the American people and undo the spending caps in the 2011 Budget Control Act without replacing them with better spending cuts. With our nation's economy still struggling under years of the president's policies, raising taxes is not a viable option. Our drive to stop the train wreck that is the president's health care law will continue. We will rely on aggressive oversight that highlights the law's massive flaws and smart, targeted strikes that split the legislative coalition the president has relied upon to force his health care law on the American people
and so finaly the shutdown ends. Next up Mid term elections! No next up we do it all again in January and February. Theres no way for it to happen again any time soon. what we saw was the last gasp of the tea party trying to connect funding the government to funding obamacare. any other time this happenes the senate republicans are just going to leave the house out in the cold while they cover their ass. Really surprised that there was never a push for another name for obamacare. you'd really think that they'd create some name for the program that doesn't connect it to a guy who gives off the image of not careing. Yeah that's exactly the image he is giving... not "careing" Micronesia had an interesting thing to say about why he thinks Dems let the Reps go through with the name Obamacare. http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=430793¤tpage=35#683 You don't live in america so you don't get as much of exposure to obama in the public like you would if you lived in america. If you did you'd know obamas thing is to be aloof and above politics. I can't really accept his explanation about it beacuse then it justifies "redskins" and non black people useing the n word. It seems like the oddiest of things to just accept whatever your opponent calls what you do.
I might be wrong, but I guess there is a rather slim chance that even the great sermakola gets that much more "exposure" to Obama than I do...
The media is our window into the world of politics, and shapes our opinions and views. In a globalized world and with this crazy invention called the internet I am able to get about as much "exposure" as you do, just don't even try to pretend otherwise.
Or you are actually secret service, in which case I am sorry of course...!
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On October 17 2013 05:59 JonnyBNoHo wrote:Doctors don't always know best: Show nested quote +Florida doctors prescribe way more drugs than Colorado doctors
The Dartmouth Atlas is a hugely influential force in health policy, showing that a patients' treatment can, in many cases, depend more on where they live than what's actually wrong with them.
Their new report out today shows that to be true with prescriptions: There's huge variation in how many drugs doctors prescribe, only one-third of which can be explained by differences in health status. ...
Variation shows up when you look at specific conditions, like how doctors prescribe drugs after a heart attack. The National Committee for Quality Assurance, which issues evidence-based standards for patient care, recommends that heart attack patients be kept on a type of drug called a beta-blocker for six months after discharge.
In some places, 92 percent of hospitals achieve this metric. In others, fewer than 68 percent hit the quality standard. ... Link
Doctors are good at diagnosing common diseases and a few other things that are part of their curriculum and training but are pretty bad at actually helping people be healthier.
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On October 17 2013 08:33 IgnE wrote:Show nested quote +On October 17 2013 05:59 JonnyBNoHo wrote:Doctors don't always know best: Florida doctors prescribe way more drugs than Colorado doctors
The Dartmouth Atlas is a hugely influential force in health policy, showing that a patients' treatment can, in many cases, depend more on where they live than what's actually wrong with them.
Their new report out today shows that to be true with prescriptions: There's huge variation in how many drugs doctors prescribe, only one-third of which can be explained by differences in health status. ...
Variation shows up when you look at specific conditions, like how doctors prescribe drugs after a heart attack. The National Committee for Quality Assurance, which issues evidence-based standards for patient care, recommends that heart attack patients be kept on a type of drug called a beta-blocker for six months after discharge.
In some places, 92 percent of hospitals achieve this metric. In others, fewer than 68 percent hit the quality standard. ... Link Doctors are good at diagnosing common diseases and a few other things that are part of their curriculum and training but are pretty bad at actually helping people be healthier.
If you actually think that you just go to shitty doctors, dude. I've seen a bunch in my lifetime, and only ever encountered one who actually legitimately did not know his shit. I really can't complain about my doctors (but hey, I get 'em for free as a Canadian, maybe that's why?), they've always given me good advice when I have a problem that has also been focused on making sure it doesn't come back.
They're not perfect, and they rely on imperfect information to do their job, hence the years and years of training.
People at some point need to take personal responsibility for their own health, as well. Doctor's can't do everything. They just help when shit goes wrong, it's pretty much up to you to give yourself the best chance to not let things get there in the first place.
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WASHINGTON – An environmental group is upping the pressure on the Department of Interior to end drilling and other activities on national parks and public lands during the government shutdown, arguing that allowing those operations to continue violates federal law.
In a letter to Interior Secretary Sally Jewel, the Center for Biological Diversity argued Wednesday that the drilling violates the Anti-Deficiency Act, the law barring federal workers from working during the shutdown.
"[I]t is contradictory and illegal to restrict public access to public lands such as the National Parks, Wildlife Refuges, Offshore Areas, and Bureau of Land Management Lands, while allowing environmentally degrading private activities to occur on those same lands," wrote Bill Snape, senior counsel for the Center for Biological Diversity. "We can't hike, camp or enjoy our nation's public parks and monuments. But grazing, mining, logging, and oil and gas extraction continue in many cases without disruption, even though the shutdown has sent home many who enforce regulations designed to protect our lands and wildlife."
Snape wrote that the group plans to file a writ of mandamus and/or complaint in federal court "to stop these lawless extractive activities on our public’s lands."
Other groups have also been petitioning the government to stop drilling and gas operations during the shutdown.
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Voting in the house is underway.
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Govt reopened, debt ceiling extended. For now.
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I think we need to address some of the systemic problems;
in particular: while there are ways to remove bad individuals from office,
there is no way to remove bad systems/groups from office.
Since the approval ratings are terrible for congress, but not so bad for each area's congressperson; part of the problem lies in the group dynamics, rather than in any specific individual.
There's no good way to address that; it'd be nice to have an option to remove all of congress, and blank out the congressional rules, directly available to the American people.
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On October 17 2013 11:11 {CC}StealthBlue wrote:
Govt reopened, debt ceiling extended. For now.
waiting excitedly for the sequel
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Majority of Republicans voted No to reopen the govt, extend the debt ceiling. Not one Democrat voted No.
Pelosi saves Boehner once again.
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It is time to commend those brave souls in the legislature who have at long last cleaned up the mess they themselves created.
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Nancy Pelosi controls 198 votes in the House.
John Boehner controls 87.
#leadership
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On October 17 2013 11:26 NovaTheFeared wrote:
It is time to commend those brave souls in the legislature who have at long last done the most basic part of their job.
FTFY
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