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FeUerFlieGe

United States1193 Posts

October 17 2013 02:34 GMT

#10881

On October 17 2013 11:26 NovaTheFeared wrote:
It is time to commend those brave souls in the legislature who have at long last cleaned up the mess they themselves created.

True American hero's.

{CC}StealthBlue

United States41117 Posts

October 17 2013 02:40 GMT

#10882

Also Cory Booker won the Senate seat tonight.

NPF

Canada1635 Posts

October 17 2013 02:49 GMT

#10883

On October 17 2013 11:40 {CC}StealthBlue wrote:
Also Cory Booker won the Senate seat tonight.

So that brings it to 53 D, 2 I and 45 R then?

Edit: I'm surprisingly always had a good opinion of John McCain and his opinion on the subject of the governement shutdown.

zlefin

United States7689 Posts

October 17 2013 02:51 GMT

#10884

I'd really like to know: if the house used secret ballots instead of open ballots; what would the vote totals have looked like?

Bigtony

United States1606 Posts

October 17 2013 02:59 GMT

#10885

Sad Booker won. He's run Newark into the ground in his tenure. Literally nothing good ever.

oneofthem

Cayman Islands24199 Posts

October 17 2013 02:59 GMT

#10886

republicans should give movie titles to their offensives. would make it more entertaining because it seems like this will become a regular thing.

Adreme

United States5574 Posts

October 17 2013 03:13 GMT

#10887

On October 17 2013 11:59 oneofthem wrote:
republicans should give movie titles to their offensives. would make it more entertaining because it seems like this will become a regular thing.

There is always the chance they realize the futility of what they just did and that they don't try and do it again and maybe actual negotiating can happen. It is unlikely but anything is in fact possible.

Bigtony

United States1606 Posts

October 17 2013 03:17 GMT

#10888

Imagine if Republicans actually believed what they said they did and tried to defund something actually serious? Like PRISM/etc.

radscorpion9

Canada2252 Posts

October 17 2013 03:27 GMT

#10889

Man I can't believe I was so freaked out by this. It all ends so anti-climactically lol

ticklishmusic

United States15977 Posts

October 17 2013 04:46 GMT

#10890

81-18 in the Senate, 287 (200 D 87 R) in the House. That's probably about bipartisan as we're gonna get.

TheRabidDeer

United States3806 Posts

October 17 2013 04:55 GMT

#10891

So, what was the deal and why was it not pushed earlier? Why did we have to close the gov't for 2+ weeks? Was it not almost the exact same CR that the senate sent to the House weeks ago?

ticklishmusic

United States15977 Posts

October 17 2013 04:59 GMT

#10892

Cuz brinksmanship is funnnnn

tshi

United States2495 Posts

October 17 2013 05:19 GMT

#10893

On October 17 2013 11:40 {CC}StealthBlue wrote:
Also Cory Booker won the Senate seat tonight.

He is too power-hungry to deserve a senate seat:

Doublemint

Austria8573 Posts

October 17 2013 06:46 GMT

#10894

On October 17 2013 12:27 radscorpion9 wrote:
Man I can't believe I was so freaked out by this. It all ends so anti-climactically lol

Yes. Republicans trying to stage some sort of Hollywood political thriller went terribly wrong. Including for themselves.

paralleluniverse

4065 Posts

October 17 2013 07:37 GMT

#10895

So it looks like the hostage takers failed. Well, at least they got income verification for Obamacare subsidies.

The more interesting question, given that this is, if I'm counting correctly, the 4th budget showdown (Bush Tax Cut Extension 2010, Budget Control Act 2011, Fiscal Cliff 2013, Government Shutdown 2013), will the Republicans attempt this extortionist tactic yet again?

Mark your calendars, the next showdown will quite likely occur on the weeks leading up to 15 January 2014 (keeping government open) and 7 February 2014 (debt ceiling).

DoubleReed

United States4130 Posts

October 17 2013 13:07 GMT

#10896

We still have 5 1/2 years of Ted Cruz don't we?

Melliflue

United Kingdom1389 Posts

October 17 2013 13:42 GMT

#10897

On October 17 2013 08:01 Sermokala wrote:

Show nested quote +

On October 17 2013 05:03 Doublemint wrote:

On October 17 2013 04:44 Sermokala wrote:

On October 17 2013 04:40 Adreme wrote:

On October 17 2013 04:36 Sermokala wrote:
http://www.speaker.gov/press-release/statement-bipartisan-senate-agreement-reopen-government-avoid-default

The House has fought with everything it has to convince the president of the United States to engage in bipartisan negotiations aimed at addressing our country's debt and providing fairness for the American people under ObamaCare. That fight will continue. But blocking the bipartisan agreement reached today by the members of the Senate will not be a tactic for us. In addition to the risk of default, doing so would open the door for the Democratic majority in Washington to raise taxes again on the American people and undo the spending caps in the 2011 Budget Control Act without replacing them with better spending cuts. With our nation's economy still struggling under years of the president's policies, raising taxes is not a viable option. Our drive to stop the train wreck that is the president's health care law will continue. We will rely on aggressive oversight that highlights the law's massive flaws and smart, targeted strikes that split the legislative coalition the president has relied upon to force his health care law on the American people

and so finaly the shutdown ends. Next up Mid term elections!

No next up we do it all again in January and February.

Theres no way for it to happen again any time soon. what we saw was the last gasp of the tea party trying to connect funding the government to funding obamacare. any other time this happenes the senate republicans are just going to leave the house out in the cold while they cover their ass.

Really surprised that there was never a push for another name for obamacare. you'd really think that they'd create some name for the program that doesn't connect it to a guy who gives off the image of not careing.

Yeah that's exactly the image he is giving... not "careing"

Micronesia had an interesting thing to say about why he thinks Dems let the Reps go through with the name Obamacare.

http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=430793&currentpage=35#683

You don't live in america so you don't get as much of exposure to obama in the public like you would if you lived in america. If you did you'd know obamas thing is to be aloof and above politics.

I can't really accept his explanation about it beacuse then it justifies "redskins" and non black people useing the n word. It seems like the oddiest of things to just accept whatever your opponent calls what you do.

I disagree that it justifies using those words. I believe Obama and the Democrats would much rather nobody use the term "Obamacare" but since they cannot stop people from doing so and it would be bad PR to try, the next best option is to change the emotional response people have to the word.

Also, I would consider Obama and Democrats using "Obamacare" to be more like black people using the n-word and native americans using "redskin", since "Obamacare" is used by people on the right in a derogatory manner.

Anyhoo, nice to see a deal was reached. I wonder if now would be a good time for Boehner to try to negotiate on something like the ACA, since Obama and the Democrats insisted they wouldn't negotiate under threat, it is somewhat implicit that they would negotiate when there is no threat. I think it is unlikely they would, but I wonder if there is some way Boehner could spin this.

IAmWithStupid

Russian Federation1016 Posts

October 17 2013 13:55 GMT

#10898

I don't criticize governments of other countries because there are so many problems with government in my own country. But why not to have a good laugh if the jokes are funny:

+ Show Spoiler +

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JimSocks

United States968 Posts

October 17 2013 14:14 GMT

#10899

the house republicans couldn't even agree on their own bill at the end. senate had to make a bill.
24billion dollars wasted for shit.
thank you tea party.

Doodsmack

United States7224 Posts

October 17 2013 14:49 GMT

#10900

So that turned out to be a disaster for Republicans that got them and the country nowhere.

Gee, that was hard to foresee.

LOL

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