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On October 15 2013 15:43 sam!zdat wrote:
awful coinkendental. is that the second one this month?

On October 15 2013 15:49 sam!zdat wrote:
i see no reason to weight one option over the other, quite frankly. the stakes are high

seeing conspiracies everywhere is paranoia. refusing to ever see conspiracies for fear of being labeled paranoiac, is naivete. just sayin

House Republicans Poised To Spurn Senate Debt Deal
House Republicans look ready to reject a pending bipartisan compromise in the Senate and propose their own plan for re-opening the government and raising the debt limit.

Here are the details of the new House bill that the leadership presented to Republican members at a closed door meeting Tuesday morning, according to multiple House GOP sources.

Temporary spending bill to re-open the government until Jan. 15
Increase the debt limit enough to last until Feb. 7
A two-year delay of Obamacare's medical device tax
A requirement that the Obama administration verify the income of Americans receiving tax subsidies through Obamacare (specifics pending)
A revised version of the so-called Vitter Amendment, in this case requiring Congress members and executive department officials like President Obama -- but not their staffs -- to purchase insurance through the law's marketplace without federal employer subsidies.
Eliminates Treasury Department's ability to use "extraordinary measures" to avoid default.
The House is expected to vote on the bill today.

On October 15 2013 23:20 Saryph wrote:


Source

They seem to be asking a lot for such a short-term funding bill and less than a four month debt-ceiling fix.

On October 15 2013 23:40 heliusx wrote:
Sam what's your theory? I saw that shit first hand when waiting on my tires to be changed in a WalMart in SE Louisiana. If you spent over your monthly maximum I hope they prosecute. As democrats we spend all this time defending these programs and then people do shit like this.

On October 15 2013 23:54 mordek wrote:
It's amusing Sermo tries to make an observational comment on human nature and everyone gets on his case with "logic". This entire thread is devoted to discussing illogical people governed by illogical people.

On October 16 2013 01:34 Sermokala wrote:

It was more an observational statement on peoples reactions to a logical statement. On how stateing that obama grew up in a muslim ghetto means that I'm accusing him of being an evil baby killing socialist that hates america.

On October 16 2013 03:04 Doublemint wrote:


You were trying to make a "neutral sounding" statement with a legacy of being right leaning yourself - not that there is anything wrong with that - why people have irrational fears of Obama, failed HORRIBLY with that and now expect some sympathy for your inept wording?

Maybe the fair and balanced media has won over common sense after all...

On October 16 2013 03:24 Sermokala wrote:

Lol look at you trying to twist things around. I made a statement like someone would make if they were left leaning but people knowing I'm right leaning took it the wrong way like I knew they would.

I'm not looking for sympathy from people who can only see hate when they look at something that doesn't agree with them. That was the whole point of going down on that path was to poke fun at people who just use hate as debate against people they debate because they hate.

On October 15 2013 23:20 Saryph wrote:


Source

They seem to be asking a lot for such a short-term funding bill and less than a four month debt-ceiling fix.

WASHINGTON -- House Republicans sang "Amazing Grace" Tuesday morning and unveiled a fresh plan to fund the government and lift the debt ceiling -- only to have it declared dead on arrival.

House Speaker John Boehner (R-Ohio) made the presentation in a two-hour, closed-door meeting of the GOP conference in the basement of the Capitol building after Florida Rep. Steve Southerland led three verses of the hymn, which one Democrat suggested is often sung at funerals.

Indeed, even Boehner, in an uncharacteristic move, conceded the plan might never be presented for a vote on the House floor.

"There are a lot of opinions about what direction to go. There have been no decisions about what exactly we will do," he told reporters. "We are going to continue to work with our members on both sides of the aisle to try and make sure there is no issue of default and to get our government reopened."

The Treasury Department said that sometime around Thursday it will run out of sufficient cash in the bank to pay all of the nation's bills, risking a default that economists fear will be catastrophic to the economy.

The House plan adopts significant aspects of the Senate's plan, and would fund the government through Jan. 15, raise the borrowing cap through Feb. 7, and add income verification tests to Obamacare. Unlike the Senate plan, it would delay the Affordable Health Care Act's medical device tax by two years and would eliminate federal health care subsidies for members of Congress, but not for their staffs. Some tea party members apparently want staff eliminated from coverage as well. In addition, the House effort would bar the Treasury Department from taking "extraordinary measures" to pay the government's bills as it has since the country began to reach the debt limit back in May.

Democrats and the The White House swiftly rejected the GOP plan in favor of the bipartisan effort in the Senate that would include only modest changes to Obamacare and would preserve the Treasury Department's ability to buy time to avoid default.

On October 16 2013 07:39 {CC}StealthBlue wrote:
So Boehner's plan has failed has he doesn't have enough votes to pass the house version of the debt limit extension. He is worthless.