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On October 15 2013 09:27 KwarK wrote:Show nested quote +On October 15 2013 09:21 Sermokala wrote:On October 15 2013 08:58 Doublemint wrote:On October 15 2013 08:51 Sermokala wrote:
To be fair him being black and having muslim connections has something to do with it. Change is scary to a lot of people and obama did grow up in a poor muslim ghetto. I get the feeling that you are not helping your point... and that's quite telling itself really. I'm not trying to help any point. I don't like the tea party like the rest of people but for different reasons. On October 15 2013 09:08 Sub40APM wrote:On October 15 2013 08:51 Sermokala wrote:
To be fair him being black and having muslim connections has something to do with it. Change is scary to a lot of people and obama did grow up in a poor muslim ghetto. ....Muslim connections? His dads from kenya and he grew up in indonesia (after being born in hawaii). Those are muslim connections. This isn't how logic works.
Thats not what my american education says.
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On October 15 2013 09:24 Sermokala wrote:Show nested quote +On October 15 2013 09:22 DoubleReed wrote:
Wow, Sermokala. I used to think you were conservative, but that was so on-point I think you must be a deep-cover liberal. Not being a raving lunatic with reasonable points has that effect. I'm a pragmatic person with unreasonable points.
A deep cover liberal is a liberal who joins conservative groups and then publicly says stuff so incredibly stupid, ignorant and nonsensical that it discredits the entire movement. For example how the location of birth of a man who is not you but who shares marginally more dna with you than a complete stranger is a connection with a world religion.
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On October 15 2013 09:28 Sermokala wrote:Show nested quote +On October 15 2013 09:27 KwarK wrote:On October 15 2013 09:21 Sermokala wrote:On October 15 2013 08:58 Doublemint wrote:On October 15 2013 08:51 Sermokala wrote:
To be fair him being black and having muslim connections has something to do with it. Change is scary to a lot of people and obama did grow up in a poor muslim ghetto. I get the feeling that you are not helping your point... and that's quite telling itself really. I'm not trying to help any point. I don't like the tea party like the rest of people but for different reasons. On October 15 2013 09:08 Sub40APM wrote:On October 15 2013 08:51 Sermokala wrote:
To be fair him being black and having muslim connections has something to do with it. Change is scary to a lot of people and obama did grow up in a poor muslim ghetto. ....Muslim connections? His dads from kenya and he grew up in indonesia (after being born in hawaii). Those are muslim connections. This isn't how logic works. Thats not what my american education says.
Ask for a refund. Also there are 20,000,000 practicing Christians in Indonesia. That's more than there are in England.
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On October 15 2013 09:29 KwarK wrote:Show nested quote +On October 15 2013 09:24 Sermokala wrote:On October 15 2013 09:22 DoubleReed wrote:
Wow, Sermokala. I used to think you were conservative, but that was so on-point I think you must be a deep-cover liberal. Not being a raving lunatic with reasonable points has that effect. I'm a pragmatic person with unreasonable points. A deep cover liberal is a liberal who joins conservative groups and then publicly says stuff so incredibly stupid, ignorant and nonsensical that it discredits the entire movement. For example how the location of birth of a man who is not you but who shares marginally more dna with you than a complete stranger is a connection with a world religion.
Being raised in a Muslim neighborhood for your childhood is a connection with that religion.
not by fault you can't read past what you want to see.
On October 15 2013 09:30 KwarK wrote:Show nested quote +On October 15 2013 09:28 Sermokala wrote:On October 15 2013 09:27 KwarK wrote:On October 15 2013 09:21 Sermokala wrote:On October 15 2013 08:58 Doublemint wrote:On October 15 2013 08:51 Sermokala wrote:
To be fair him being black and having muslim connections has something to do with it. Change is scary to a lot of people and obama did grow up in a poor muslim ghetto. I get the feeling that you are not helping your point... and that's quite telling itself really. I'm not trying to help any point. I don't like the tea party like the rest of people but for different reasons. On October 15 2013 09:08 Sub40APM wrote:On October 15 2013 08:51 Sermokala wrote:
To be fair him being black and having muslim connections has something to do with it. Change is scary to a lot of people and obama did grow up in a poor muslim ghetto. ....Muslim connections? His dads from kenya and he grew up in indonesia (after being born in hawaii). Those are muslim connections. This isn't how logic works. Thats not what my american education says. Ask for a refund. Also there are 20,000,000 practicing Christians in Indonesia. That's more than there are in England.
Thats not the point. He didn't just genericaly grow up in a country he grew up in a specific part of that country that was almost entirely muslim.
This isn't even me arguing that hes a muslim but that he has a muslim connection.
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On October 15 2013 09:31 Sermokala wrote:Show nested quote +On October 15 2013 09:29 KwarK wrote:On October 15 2013 09:24 Sermokala wrote:On October 15 2013 09:22 DoubleReed wrote:
Wow, Sermokala. I used to think you were conservative, but that was so on-point I think you must be a deep-cover liberal. Not being a raving lunatic with reasonable points has that effect. I'm a pragmatic person with unreasonable points. A deep cover liberal is a liberal who joins conservative groups and then publicly says stuff so incredibly stupid, ignorant and nonsensical that it discredits the entire movement. For example how the location of birth of a man who is not you but who shares marginally more dna with you than a complete stranger is a connection with a world religion. Being raised in a Muslim neighborhood for your childhood is a connection with that religion. not by fault you can't read past what you want to see. Show nested quote +On October 15 2013 09:30 KwarK wrote:On October 15 2013 09:28 Sermokala wrote:On October 15 2013 09:27 KwarK wrote:On October 15 2013 09:21 Sermokala wrote:On October 15 2013 08:58 Doublemint wrote:On October 15 2013 08:51 Sermokala wrote:
To be fair him being black and having muslim connections has something to do with it. Change is scary to a lot of people and obama did grow up in a poor muslim ghetto. I get the feeling that you are not helping your point... and that's quite telling itself really. I'm not trying to help any point. I don't like the tea party like the rest of people but for different reasons. On October 15 2013 09:08 Sub40APM wrote:On October 15 2013 08:51 Sermokala wrote:
To be fair him being black and having muslim connections has something to do with it. Change is scary to a lot of people and obama did grow up in a poor muslim ghetto. ....Muslim connections? His dads from kenya and he grew up in indonesia (after being born in hawaii). Those are muslim connections. This isn't how logic works. Thats not what my american education says. Ask for a refund. Also there are 20,000,000 practicing Christians in Indonesia. That's more than there are in England. Thats not the point. He didn't just genericaly grow up in a country he grew up in a specific part of that country that was almost entirely muslim. This isn't even me arguing that hes a muslim but that he has a muslim connection.
So do you by that logic. You live on a world with Muslims and apparently anything goes.
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My mother met a muslim while I was a fetus in her womb. I have a connection to the religion of Islam.
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On October 15 2013 09:34 KwarK wrote:Show nested quote +On October 15 2013 09:31 Sermokala wrote:On October 15 2013 09:29 KwarK wrote:On October 15 2013 09:24 Sermokala wrote:On October 15 2013 09:22 DoubleReed wrote:
Wow, Sermokala. I used to think you were conservative, but that was so on-point I think you must be a deep-cover liberal. Not being a raving lunatic with reasonable points has that effect. I'm a pragmatic person with unreasonable points. A deep cover liberal is a liberal who joins conservative groups and then publicly says stuff so incredibly stupid, ignorant and nonsensical that it discredits the entire movement. For example how the location of birth of a man who is not you but who shares marginally more dna with you than a complete stranger is a connection with a world religion. Being raised in a Muslim neighborhood for your childhood is a connection with that religion. not by fault you can't read past what you want to see. On October 15 2013 09:30 KwarK wrote:On October 15 2013 09:28 Sermokala wrote:On October 15 2013 09:27 KwarK wrote:On October 15 2013 09:21 Sermokala wrote:On October 15 2013 08:58 Doublemint wrote:On October 15 2013 08:51 Sermokala wrote:
To be fair him being black and having muslim connections has something to do with it. Change is scary to a lot of people and obama did grow up in a poor muslim ghetto. I get the feeling that you are not helping your point... and that's quite telling itself really. I'm not trying to help any point. I don't like the tea party like the rest of people but for different reasons. On October 15 2013 09:08 Sub40APM wrote:On October 15 2013 08:51 Sermokala wrote:
To be fair him being black and having muslim connections has something to do with it. Change is scary to a lot of people and obama did grow up in a poor muslim ghetto. ....Muslim connections? His dads from kenya and he grew up in indonesia (after being born in hawaii). Those are muslim connections. This isn't how logic works. Thats not what my american education says. Ask for a refund. Also there are 20,000,000 practicing Christians in Indonesia. That's more than there are in England. Thats not the point. He didn't just genericaly grow up in a country he grew up in a specific part of that country that was almost entirely muslim. This isn't even me arguing that hes a muslim but that he has a muslim connection. So do you by that logic. You live on a world with Muslims and apparently anything goes.
Where are you getting this mad delusion. I said he grew up in a muslim ghetto which is apparently equal to the entire world to you. I grew up in a middle class white area, that means I have a christian connection.
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Sen. Ted Cruz (R-TX) repeated the same line Monday evening to a handful of reporter questions about whether he'd make any procedural moves to block a pending bipartisan Senate deal to re-open the government and raise the debt limit.
"I want to wait and see what the details are," Cruz said. He's expected to get them at a Tuesday Senate Republican caucus meeting, scheduled for 11 a.m. ET.
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On October 15 2013 09:36 Sermokala wrote:Show nested quote +On October 15 2013 09:34 KwarK wrote:On October 15 2013 09:31 Sermokala wrote:On October 15 2013 09:29 KwarK wrote:On October 15 2013 09:24 Sermokala wrote:On October 15 2013 09:22 DoubleReed wrote:
Wow, Sermokala. I used to think you were conservative, but that was so on-point I think you must be a deep-cover liberal. Not being a raving lunatic with reasonable points has that effect. I'm a pragmatic person with unreasonable points. A deep cover liberal is a liberal who joins conservative groups and then publicly says stuff so incredibly stupid, ignorant and nonsensical that it discredits the entire movement. For example how the location of birth of a man who is not you but who shares marginally more dna with you than a complete stranger is a connection with a world religion. Being raised in a Muslim neighborhood for your childhood is a connection with that religion. not by fault you can't read past what you want to see. On October 15 2013 09:30 KwarK wrote:On October 15 2013 09:28 Sermokala wrote:On October 15 2013 09:27 KwarK wrote:On October 15 2013 09:21 Sermokala wrote:On October 15 2013 08:58 Doublemint wrote:On October 15 2013 08:51 Sermokala wrote:
To be fair him being black and having muslim connections has something to do with it. Change is scary to a lot of people and obama did grow up in a poor muslim ghetto. I get the feeling that you are not helping your point... and that's quite telling itself really. I'm not trying to help any point. I don't like the tea party like the rest of people but for different reasons. On October 15 2013 09:08 Sub40APM wrote:On October 15 2013 08:51 Sermokala wrote:
To be fair him being black and having muslim connections has something to do with it. Change is scary to a lot of people and obama did grow up in a poor muslim ghetto. ....Muslim connections? His dads from kenya and he grew up in indonesia (after being born in hawaii). Those are muslim connections. This isn't how logic works. Thats not what my american education says. Ask for a refund. Also there are 20,000,000 practicing Christians in Indonesia. That's more than there are in England. Thats not the point. He didn't just genericaly grow up in a country he grew up in a specific part of that country that was almost entirely muslim. This isn't even me arguing that hes a muslim but that he has a muslim connection. So do you by that logic. You live on a world with Muslims and apparently anything goes. Where are you getting this mad delusion. I said he grew up in a muslim ghetto which is apparently equal to the entire world to you. I grew up in a middle class white area, that means I have a christian connection.
You said his dad lived in Kenya so he's got a connection.
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On October 15 2013 09:37 KwarK wrote:Show nested quote +On October 15 2013 09:36 Sermokala wrote:On October 15 2013 09:34 KwarK wrote:On October 15 2013 09:31 Sermokala wrote:On October 15 2013 09:29 KwarK wrote:On October 15 2013 09:24 Sermokala wrote:On October 15 2013 09:22 DoubleReed wrote:
Wow, Sermokala. I used to think you were conservative, but that was so on-point I think you must be a deep-cover liberal. Not being a raving lunatic with reasonable points has that effect. I'm a pragmatic person with unreasonable points. A deep cover liberal is a liberal who joins conservative groups and then publicly says stuff so incredibly stupid, ignorant and nonsensical that it discredits the entire movement. For example how the location of birth of a man who is not you but who shares marginally more dna with you than a complete stranger is a connection with a world religion. Being raised in a Muslim neighborhood for your childhood is a connection with that religion. not by fault you can't read past what you want to see. On October 15 2013 09:30 KwarK wrote:On October 15 2013 09:28 Sermokala wrote:On October 15 2013 09:27 KwarK wrote:On October 15 2013 09:21 Sermokala wrote:On October 15 2013 08:58 Doublemint wrote:On October 15 2013 08:51 Sermokala wrote:
To be fair him being black and having muslim connections has something to do with it. Change is scary to a lot of people and obama did grow up in a poor muslim ghetto. I get the feeling that you are not helping your point... and that's quite telling itself really. I'm not trying to help any point. I don't like the tea party like the rest of people but for different reasons. On October 15 2013 09:08 Sub40APM wrote:On October 15 2013 08:51 Sermokala wrote:
To be fair him being black and having muslim connections has something to do with it. Change is scary to a lot of people and obama did grow up in a poor muslim ghetto. ....Muslim connections? His dads from kenya and he grew up in indonesia (after being born in hawaii). Those are muslim connections. This isn't how logic works. Thats not what my american education says. Ask for a refund. Also there are 20,000,000 practicing Christians in Indonesia. That's more than there are in England. Thats not the point. He didn't just genericaly grow up in a country he grew up in a specific part of that country that was almost entirely muslim. This isn't even me arguing that hes a muslim but that he has a muslim connection. So do you by that logic. You live on a world with Muslims and apparently anything goes. Where are you getting this mad delusion. I said he grew up in a muslim ghetto which is apparently equal to the entire world to you. I grew up in a middle class white area, that means I have a christian connection. You said his dad lived in Kenya so he's got a connection.
I specifically said that he grew up in an islamic ghetto in indonesia so hes got a connection.
To be fair him being black and having muslim connections has something to do with it. Change is scary to a lot of people and obama did grow up in a poor muslim ghetto.
This above is what I said at the start of this. There isn't a mention of his kenyen dad and theres a specific mention to where he grew up.
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On October 15 2013 09:36 SnipedSoul wrote:
My mother met a muslim while I was a fetus in her womb. I have a connection to the religion of Islam.
You sure you are in fact NOT muslim? Because I for one am not convinced after what you just told me.
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On October 15 2013 09:39 Sermokala wrote:Show nested quote +On October 15 2013 09:37 KwarK wrote:On October 15 2013 09:36 Sermokala wrote:On October 15 2013 09:34 KwarK wrote:On October 15 2013 09:31 Sermokala wrote:On October 15 2013 09:29 KwarK wrote:On October 15 2013 09:24 Sermokala wrote:On October 15 2013 09:22 DoubleReed wrote:
Wow, Sermokala. I used to think you were conservative, but that was so on-point I think you must be a deep-cover liberal. Not being a raving lunatic with reasonable points has that effect. I'm a pragmatic person with unreasonable points. A deep cover liberal is a liberal who joins conservative groups and then publicly says stuff so incredibly stupid, ignorant and nonsensical that it discredits the entire movement. For example how the location of birth of a man who is not you but who shares marginally more dna with you than a complete stranger is a connection with a world religion. Being raised in a Muslim neighborhood for your childhood is a connection with that religion. not by fault you can't read past what you want to see. On October 15 2013 09:30 KwarK wrote:On October 15 2013 09:28 Sermokala wrote:On October 15 2013 09:27 KwarK wrote:On October 15 2013 09:21 Sermokala wrote:On October 15 2013 08:58 Doublemint wrote:
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I get the feeling that you are not helping your point... and that's quite telling itself really.
I'm not trying to help any point. I don't like the tea party like the rest of people but for different reasons. On October 15 2013 09:08 Sub40APM wrote:
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....Muslim connections? His dads from kenya and he grew up in indonesia (after being born in hawaii). Those are muslim connections. This isn't how logic works. Thats not what my american education says. Ask for a refund. Also there are 20,000,000 practicing Christians in Indonesia. That's more than there are in England. Thats not the point. He didn't just genericaly grow up in a country he grew up in a specific part of that country that was almost entirely muslim. This isn't even me arguing that hes a muslim but that he has a muslim connection. So do you by that logic. You live on a world with Muslims and apparently anything goes. Where are you getting this mad delusion. I said he grew up in a muslim ghetto which is apparently equal to the entire world to you. I grew up in a middle class white area, that means I have a christian connection. You said his dad lived in Kenya so he's got a connection. I specifically said that he grew up in an islamic ghetto in indonesia so hes got a connection. To be fair him being black and having muslim connections has something to do with it. Change is scary to a lot of people and obama did grow up in a poor muslim ghetto. This above is what I said at the start of this. There isn't a mention of his kenyen dad and theres a specific mention to where he grew up.
You specifically mentioned his dad as a connection.
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On October 15 2013 09:45 KwarK wrote:Show nested quote +On October 15 2013 09:39 Sermokala wrote:On October 15 2013 09:37 KwarK wrote:On October 15 2013 09:36 Sermokala wrote:On October 15 2013 09:34 KwarK wrote:On October 15 2013 09:31 Sermokala wrote:On October 15 2013 09:29 KwarK wrote:On October 15 2013 09:24 Sermokala wrote:On October 15 2013 09:22 DoubleReed wrote:
Wow, Sermokala. I used to think you were conservative, but that was so on-point I think you must be a deep-cover liberal. Not being a raving lunatic with reasonable points has that effect. I'm a pragmatic person with unreasonable points. A deep cover liberal is a liberal who joins conservative groups and then publicly says stuff so incredibly stupid, ignorant and nonsensical that it discredits the entire movement. For example how the location of birth of a man who is not you but who shares marginally more dna with you than a complete stranger is a connection with a world religion. Being raised in a Muslim neighborhood for your childhood is a connection with that religion. not by fault you can't read past what you want to see. On October 15 2013 09:30 KwarK wrote:On October 15 2013 09:28 Sermokala wrote:On October 15 2013 09:27 KwarK wrote:On October 15 2013 09:21 Sermokala wrote:
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I'm not trying to help any point. I don't like the tea party like the rest of people but for different reasons.
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His dads from kenya and he grew up in indonesia (after being born in hawaii). Those are muslim connections. This isn't how logic works. Thats not what my american education says. Ask for a refund. Also there are 20,000,000 practicing Christians in Indonesia. That's more than there are in England. Thats not the point. He didn't just genericaly grow up in a country he grew up in a specific part of that country that was almost entirely muslim. This isn't even me arguing that hes a muslim but that he has a muslim connection. So do you by that logic. You live on a world with Muslims and apparently anything goes. Where are you getting this mad delusion. I said he grew up in a muslim ghetto which is apparently equal to the entire world to you. I grew up in a middle class white area, that means I have a christian connection. You said his dad lived in Kenya so he's got a connection. I specifically said that he grew up in an islamic ghetto in indonesia so hes got a connection. To be fair him being black and having muslim connections has something to do with it. Change is scary to a lot of people and obama did grow up in a poor muslim ghetto. This above is what I said at the start of this. There isn't a mention of his kenyen dad and theres a specific mention to where he grew up. You specifically mentioned his dad as a connection.
Alongside and after where I said he grew up yes. Is this factually incorrect or is there some problem now with stating facts to support points given in a post? Do you have a problem with the point I presented and have something to support your argument?
And so we're clear the argument is that there is enough information to draw improper conclusions without all the information.
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Isn't this irrelevant to the point? We pointed out tea partiers are racist and sermokala says:
On October 15 2013 08:51 Sermokala wrote:
To be fair him being black and having muslim connections has something to do with it. Change is scary to a lot of people and obama did grow up in a poor muslim ghetto.
which is just another way of saying tea partiers are racist and reactionary.
It's not like muslim means you're an evil babyeating terrorist.
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On October 15 2013 07:28 DoubleReed wrote:Show nested quote +On October 15 2013 07:14 JonnyBNoHo wrote:On October 15 2013 06:36 Nyxisto wrote:On October 15 2013 06:22 xDaunt wrote:On October 15 2013 06:21 Sermokala wrote:
The real problems are going to come after the first of the year when people assume that they filed out the ACA website forms correctly and have health care when they really don't thus getting hit by the individual mandate tax and not having health insurance.
Not to mention whats going to happen after everyone's premiums triple after companies are forced to take people in with pre existing conditions. This is already happening. Yes, US healthcare may even get as expensive as other countries in which a universal healthcare system is in place! + Show Spoiler +Oh.. wait : ( What this is hinting at: There's little correlation between how many people with whatever conditions you take into the healthcare system and the resulting prices. (Wild guess: Government healthcare spending may instead be dependent on how much healthcare costs and how heavy the prices are regulated!) Edit: And before the argument arises "Hey, these are absolute numbers, there are so many people in the US, you can't compare that!" If you break it down on healthcare cost per capita, you come to the same conclusion : http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_countries_by_total_health_expenditure_(PPP)_per_capita The ACA isn't universal healthcare. Massachusetts already has a version of the ACA and average insurance premiums are the highest in the country ( source). Whoa whoa whoa now. Let's not throw out numbers like this without some context here. Massachusetts had massively increasing healthcare costs for a long time, moreso than the country. Romneycare was largely responsible for bringing down the cost and slowing down the cost of healthcare. The cost is still increasing, but no one who looks at Massachusetts' situation would blame their high premiums on Romneycare. That would be silly. And no one is considering throwing Romneycare out. If anything they just want to tweak it more to bring down costs. But it's been a massive success.
On October 15 2013 07:31 farvacola wrote:Sometimes even Jonny can't keep up the veneer of objectivity 
Kids, I was responding to the idea that the ACA would put US healthcare costs in line with the rest of the world. I don't think there's any evidence in MA that that's even a remote possibility.
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On October 15 2013 09:49 JonnyBNoHo wrote:Show nested quote +On October 15 2013 07:28 DoubleReed wrote:On October 15 2013 07:14 JonnyBNoHo wrote:On October 15 2013 06:36 Nyxisto wrote:On October 15 2013 06:22 xDaunt wrote:On October 15 2013 06:21 Sermokala wrote:
The real problems are going to come after the first of the year when people assume that they filed out the ACA website forms correctly and have health care when they really don't thus getting hit by the individual mandate tax and not having health insurance.
Not to mention whats going to happen after everyone's premiums triple after companies are forced to take people in with pre existing conditions. This is already happening. Yes, US healthcare may even get as expensive as other countries in which a universal healthcare system is in place! + Show Spoiler +Oh.. wait : ( What this is hinting at: There's little correlation between how many people with whatever conditions you take into the healthcare system and the resulting prices. (Wild guess: Government healthcare spending may instead be dependent on how much healthcare costs and how heavy the prices are regulated!) Edit: And before the argument arises "Hey, these are absolute numbers, there are so many people in the US, you can't compare that!" If you break it down on healthcare cost per capita, you come to the same conclusion : http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_countries_by_total_health_expenditure_(PPP)_per_capita The ACA isn't universal healthcare. Massachusetts already has a version of the ACA and average insurance premiums are the highest in the country ( source). Whoa whoa whoa now. Let's not throw out numbers like this without some context here. Massachusetts had massively increasing healthcare costs for a long time, moreso than the country. Romneycare was largely responsible for bringing down the cost and slowing down the cost of healthcare. The cost is still increasing, but no one who looks at Massachusetts' situation would blame their high premiums on Romneycare. That would be silly. And no one is considering throwing Romneycare out. If anything they just want to tweak it more to bring down costs. But it's been a massive success. Show nested quote +On October 15 2013 07:31 farvacola wrote:Sometimes even Jonny can't keep up the veneer of objectivity Kids, I was responding to the idea that the ACA would put US healthcare costs in line with the rest of the world. I don't think there's any evidence in MA that that's even a remote possibility.
Obamacare is basically a form of the Swiss version of healthcare. Switzerland has one of the most expensive healthcare costs in Europe (second to Norway), but it is still way way lower than America's. It does have the possibility that it will put us inline with the rest of world. We may still be the most expensive, but hopefully not such a stupid outlier.
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On October 15 2013 09:48 Sermokala wrote:Show nested quote +On October 15 2013 09:45 KwarK wrote:On October 15 2013 09:39 Sermokala wrote:On October 15 2013 09:37 KwarK wrote:On October 15 2013 09:36 Sermokala wrote:On October 15 2013 09:34 KwarK wrote:On October 15 2013 09:31 Sermokala wrote:On October 15 2013 09:29 KwarK wrote:On October 15 2013 09:24 Sermokala wrote:On October 15 2013 09:22 DoubleReed wrote:
Wow, Sermokala. I used to think you were conservative, but that was so on-point I think you must be a deep-cover liberal. Not being a raving lunatic with reasonable points has that effect. I'm a pragmatic person with unreasonable points. A deep cover liberal is a liberal who joins conservative groups and then publicly says stuff so incredibly stupid, ignorant and nonsensical that it discredits the entire movement. For example how the location of birth of a man who is not you but who shares marginally more dna with you than a complete stranger is a connection with a world religion. Being raised in a Muslim neighborhood for your childhood is a connection with that religion. not by fault you can't read past what you want to see. On October 15 2013 09:30 KwarK wrote:On October 15 2013 09:28 Sermokala wrote:On October 15 2013 09:27 KwarK wrote:
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This isn't how logic works. Thats not what my american education says. Ask for a refund. Also there are 20,000,000 practicing Christians in Indonesia. That's more than there are in England. Thats not the point. He didn't just genericaly grow up in a country he grew up in a specific part of that country that was almost entirely muslim. This isn't even me arguing that hes a muslim but that he has a muslim connection. So do you by that logic. You live on a world with Muslims and apparently anything goes. Where are you getting this mad delusion. I said he grew up in a muslim ghetto which is apparently equal to the entire world to you. I grew up in a middle class white area, that means I have a christian connection. You said his dad lived in Kenya so he's got a connection. I specifically said that he grew up in an islamic ghetto in indonesia so hes got a connection. To be fair him being black and having muslim connections has something to do with it. Change is scary to a lot of people and obama did grow up in a poor muslim ghetto. This above is what I said at the start of this. There isn't a mention of his kenyen dad and theres a specific mention to where he grew up. You specifically mentioned his dad as a connection. Alongside and after where I said he grew up yes. Is this factually incorrect or is there some problem now with stating facts to support points given in a post? Do you have a problem with the point I presented and have something to support your argument? And so we're clear the argument is that there is enough information to draw improper conclusions without all the information.
What's that even supposed to mean? Is this some semi-elaborate troll? Colbert is that you?
What I don't get is that after all this time, the foreign policies, the killing of Bin Laden... it's now his 2nd term for Christ's sake - somehow this still is being discussed. If he overthrows the government and constitution and makes himself Caliphe-4-life people might be on to something.
//edit: so we are clear - a socialist utopian caliphate. I won't settle for less.
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On October 15 2013 09:55 Doublemint wrote:Show nested quote +On October 15 2013 09:48 Sermokala wrote:On October 15 2013 09:45 KwarK wrote:On October 15 2013 09:39 Sermokala wrote:On October 15 2013 09:37 KwarK wrote:On October 15 2013 09:36 Sermokala wrote:On October 15 2013 09:34 KwarK wrote:On October 15 2013 09:31 Sermokala wrote:On October 15 2013 09:29 KwarK wrote:On October 15 2013 09:24 Sermokala wrote:
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Not being a raving lunatic with reasonable points has that effect.
I'm a pragmatic person with unreasonable points. A deep cover liberal is a liberal who joins conservative groups and then publicly says stuff so incredibly stupid, ignorant and nonsensical that it discredits the entire movement. For example how the location of birth of a man who is not you but who shares marginally more dna with you than a complete stranger is a connection with a world religion. Being raised in a Muslim neighborhood for your childhood is a connection with that religion. not by fault you can't read past what you want to see. On October 15 2013 09:30 KwarK wrote:On October 15 2013 09:28 Sermokala wrote:
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Thats not what my american education says. Ask for a refund. Also there are 20,000,000 practicing Christians in Indonesia. That's more than there are in England. Thats not the point. He didn't just genericaly grow up in a country he grew up in a specific part of that country that was almost entirely muslim. This isn't even me arguing that hes a muslim but that he has a muslim connection. So do you by that logic. You live on a world with Muslims and apparently anything goes. Where are you getting this mad delusion. I said he grew up in a muslim ghetto which is apparently equal to the entire world to you. I grew up in a middle class white area, that means I have a christian connection. You said his dad lived in Kenya so he's got a connection. I specifically said that he grew up in an islamic ghetto in indonesia so hes got a connection. To be fair him being black and having muslim connections has something to do with it. Change is scary to a lot of people and obama did grow up in a poor muslim ghetto. This above is what I said at the start of this. There isn't a mention of his kenyen dad and theres a specific mention to where he grew up. You specifically mentioned his dad as a connection. Alongside and after where I said he grew up yes. Is this factually incorrect or is there some problem now with stating facts to support points given in a post? Do you have a problem with the point I presented and have something to support your argument? And so we're clear the argument is that there is enough information to draw improper conclusions without all the information. What's that even supposed to mean? Is this some semi-elaborate troll? Colbert is that you? What I don't get is that after all this time, the foreign policies, the killing of Bin Laden... it's now his 2nd term for Christ's sake - somehow this still is being discussed. If he overthrows the government and constitution and makes himself Caliphe-4-life people might be on to something.
It means that if you ignore simple things like his community activism years in chicago, his 7 years of college or so to get his law degree his governmental service, his birth certificate, and all of his recorded life then you can get enough information to rabble rouse stupid people into believing that somehow hes a islamic socialist person that is totaly going to steal your guns so you should buy ammo from your local sporting goods stores.
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On October 15 2013 10:01 Sermokala wrote:Show nested quote +On October 15 2013 09:55 Doublemint wrote:On October 15 2013 09:48 Sermokala wrote:On October 15 2013 09:45 KwarK wrote:On October 15 2013 09:39 Sermokala wrote:On October 15 2013 09:37 KwarK wrote:On October 15 2013 09:36 Sermokala wrote:On October 15 2013 09:34 KwarK wrote:On October 15 2013 09:31 Sermokala wrote:On October 15 2013 09:29 KwarK wrote:
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A deep cover liberal is a liberal who joins conservative groups and then publicly says stuff so incredibly stupid, ignorant and nonsensical that it discredits the entire movement. For example how the location of birth of a man who is not you but who shares marginally more dna with you than a complete stranger is a connection with a world religion. Being raised in a Muslim neighborhood for your childhood is a connection with that religion. not by fault you can't read past what you want to see. On October 15 2013 09:30 KwarK wrote:
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Ask for a refund. Also there are 20,000,000 practicing Christians in Indonesia. That's more than there are in England. Thats not the point. He didn't just genericaly grow up in a country he grew up in a specific part of that country that was almost entirely muslim. This isn't even me arguing that hes a muslim but that he has a muslim connection. So do you by that logic. You live on a world with Muslims and apparently anything goes. Where are you getting this mad delusion. I said he grew up in a muslim ghetto which is apparently equal to the entire world to you. I grew up in a middle class white area, that means I have a christian connection. You said his dad lived in Kenya so he's got a connection. I specifically said that he grew up in an islamic ghetto in indonesia so hes got a connection. To be fair him being black and having muslim connections has something to do with it. Change is scary to a lot of people and obama did grow up in a poor muslim ghetto. This above is what I said at the start of this. There isn't a mention of his kenyen dad and theres a specific mention to where he grew up. You specifically mentioned his dad as a connection. Alongside and after where I said he grew up yes. Is this factually incorrect or is there some problem now with stating facts to support points given in a post? Do you have a problem with the point I presented and have something to support your argument? And so we're clear the argument is that there is enough information to draw improper conclusions without all the information. What's that even supposed to mean? Is this some semi-elaborate troll? Colbert is that you? What I don't get is that after all this time, the foreign policies, the killing of Bin Laden... it's now his 2nd term for Christ's sake - somehow this still is being discussed. If he overthrows the government and constitution and makes himself Caliphe-4-life people might be on to something. It means that if you ignore simple things like his community activism years in chicago, his 7 years of college or so to get his law degree his governmental service, his birth certificate, and all of his recorded life then you can get enough information to rabble rouse stupid people into believing that somehow hes a islamic socialist person that is totaly going to steal your guns so you should buy ammo from your local sporting goods stores.
...you do realize that it takes 7 years to get a law degree right? 4 years of college and 3 years of law school...
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On October 15 2013 10:03 Sub40APM wrote:Show nested quote +On October 15 2013 10:01 Sermokala wrote:On October 15 2013 09:55 Doublemint wrote:On October 15 2013 09:48 Sermokala wrote:On October 15 2013 09:45 KwarK wrote:On October 15 2013 09:39 Sermokala wrote:On October 15 2013 09:37 KwarK wrote:On October 15 2013 09:36 Sermokala wrote:On October 15 2013 09:34 KwarK wrote:On October 15 2013 09:31 Sermokala wrote:
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Being raised in a Muslim neighborhood for your childhood is a connection with that religion.
not by fault you can't read past what you want to see.
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Thats not the point. He didn't just genericaly grow up in a country he grew up in a specific part of that country that was almost entirely muslim.
This isn't even me arguing that hes a muslim but that he has a muslim connection. So do you by that logic. You live on a world with Muslims and apparently anything goes. Where are you getting this mad delusion. I said he grew up in a muslim ghetto which is apparently equal to the entire world to you. I grew up in a middle class white area, that means I have a christian connection. You said his dad lived in Kenya so he's got a connection. I specifically said that he grew up in an islamic ghetto in indonesia so hes got a connection. To be fair him being black and having muslim connections has something to do with it. Change is scary to a lot of people and obama did grow up in a poor muslim ghetto. This above is what I said at the start of this. There isn't a mention of his kenyen dad and theres a specific mention to where he grew up. You specifically mentioned his dad as a connection. Alongside and after where I said he grew up yes. Is this factually incorrect or is there some problem now with stating facts to support points given in a post? Do you have a problem with the point I presented and have something to support your argument? And so we're clear the argument is that there is enough information to draw improper conclusions without all the information. What's that even supposed to mean? Is this some semi-elaborate troll? Colbert is that you? What I don't get is that after all this time, the foreign policies, the killing of Bin Laden... it's now his 2nd term for Christ's sake - somehow this still is being discussed. If he overthrows the government and constitution and makes himself Caliphe-4-life people might be on to something. It means that if you ignore simple things like his community activism years in chicago, his 7 years of college or so to get his law degree his governmental service, his birth certificate, and all of his recorded life then you can get enough information to rabble rouse stupid people into believing that somehow hes a islamic socialist person that is totaly going to steal your guns so you should buy ammo from your local sporting goods stores. ...you do realize that it takes 7 years to get a law degree right? 4 years of college and 3 years of law school...
No he is defending Obama on this - I think. What's funny however is that somehow he has very peculiar way of articulating it.
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