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On October 09 2016 02:42 oBlade wrote:Show nested quote +On October 09 2016 02:38 Titan107 wrote:On October 09 2016 02:29 zlefin wrote:On October 09 2016 02:25 Titan107 wrote:On October 09 2016 02:14 zlefin wrote:
titan -> do you vote on general capability to enact/design good policy, or on people who's policy choices align with yours? After my post, there were 3 comments. 2 were Hillary supporters foaming at the mouth because I spoke against her, and the third was yours, a good question. So, I will respond to yours. His policy choices align with mine and the direction I would like the country to take in the next 4 years. Immigration, education (removal of common core), foreign policy, and economy. I could care less about social issues. I'd rather get the country profitable and growing before worrying about LGBT or gender issues. are you concerned that his seeming lack of policy knowledge will hinder his ability to actually make useful policies once it gets down into the gritty details of implementation? or do you think that as long as he sets the general aim, others will be able to craft the details well enough? I believe he is a smart individual in selecting successful people to work for him. No one really had Pence on the radar, but at the last debate he proved to be a strong VP candidate. Honestly, Pence isn't really liked in Indiana, but Trump selected him because he was a clear fit for the type of individual he wants in his inner circle. I believe Trump will continue this type of selection through his cabinet, which lines more along the, 'others will be able to craft the details well enough.' On the other side, Tim Kaine was a pick just to secure Virginia in the electoral college. It was a political choice in which Hillary made to become elected. I find it interesting because the question you gave explains both candidates. Hillary will do back room deals to pass what they want, while Donald will hire more knowledgeable non-yes-men to correct issues plaguing this country. Of course, this is how I perceive both candidates. Others may see it differently. Tim Kaine would be like Legate Broca was to the Dominion in a Clinton administration. Just an afterthought.
I disagree. HRC sent Kaine against Pence to try and stick Pence with Trump's words. Pence chose to lie about what those word were, but that is still within Kaine's mission success parameters. That was an important mission and Kaine seems to have succeeded.
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On October 09 2016 02:47 DarkPlasmaBall wrote:![[image loading]](http://i.imgur.com/RxCxDax.png) That's pretty much the best response that Pence can give. At least he admitted that Trump actually made those comments, unlike the other hundred things that Pence denied Trump saying when Kaine brought them up in the VP debate...
The first thing that Pence has had to admit Trump said or did and the first time in Donny's life he's had to make a halfhearted apology. Truly a day of firsts! That is probably the best response he could have but I feel its like trying to piss on an oil rig fire.
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Probably the best response Pence could come up with, but it's political damage control. It doesn't look good for anyone when they stick with Trump at this point, especially as scores of Republicans are ditching him, but it would also look really bad for Pence to ditch Trump at this point. I think he might be able to get away with it if Trump bombs the debate.
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On October 09 2016 02:48 JW_DTLA wrote:Show nested quote +On October 09 2016 02:42 oBlade wrote:On October 09 2016 02:38 Titan107 wrote:On October 09 2016 02:29 zlefin wrote:On October 09 2016 02:25 Titan107 wrote:On October 09 2016 02:14 zlefin wrote:
titan -> do you vote on general capability to enact/design good policy, or on people who's policy choices align with yours? After my post, there were 3 comments. 2 were Hillary supporters foaming at the mouth because I spoke against her, and the third was yours, a good question. So, I will respond to yours. His policy choices align with mine and the direction I would like the country to take in the next 4 years. Immigration, education (removal of common core), foreign policy, and economy. I could care less about social issues. I'd rather get the country profitable and growing before worrying about LGBT or gender issues. are you concerned that his seeming lack of policy knowledge will hinder his ability to actually make useful policies once it gets down into the gritty details of implementation? or do you think that as long as he sets the general aim, others will be able to craft the details well enough? I believe he is a smart individual in selecting successful people to work for him. No one really had Pence on the radar, but at the last debate he proved to be a strong VP candidate. Honestly, Pence isn't really liked in Indiana, but Trump selected him because he was a clear fit for the type of individual he wants in his inner circle. I believe Trump will continue this type of selection through his cabinet, which lines more along the, 'others will be able to craft the details well enough.' On the other side, Tim Kaine was a pick just to secure Virginia in the electoral college. It was a political choice in which Hillary made to become elected. I find it interesting because the question you gave explains both candidates. Hillary will do back room deals to pass what they want, while Donald will hire more knowledgeable non-yes-men to correct issues plaguing this country. Of course, this is how I perceive both candidates. Others may see it differently. Tim Kaine would be like Legate Broca was to the Dominion in a Clinton administration. Just an afterthought. I disagree. HRC sent Kaine against Pence to try and stick Pence with Trump's words. Pence chose to lie about what those word were, but that is still within Kaine's mission success parameters. That was an important mission and Kaine seems to have succeeded.
You are just repeating Kaine's role as a campaign tool and not addressing how effectual he'd be in a White House with Hillary, Bill, and the decades worth of cronies they've been dragging around.
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Well then, gg Hillary wins?
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DIG UP STUPID!
Donald J Trump might legitimately be the dumbest human being in the United States.
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Those Republican Senators unendorsing Trump for a bunch of silly ass remarks 10 years ago are pathetic. Good thing Trump made it clear there is "zero chance I'll quit".
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That'd actually be a super sick show poster. I'd check that out.
On October 09 2016 03:07 GoTuNk! wrote:
Those Republican Senators unendorsing Trump for a bunch of silly ass remarks 10 years ago are pathetic. Good thing Trump made it clear there is "zero chance I'll quit".
There's also zero chance he'll win. Other Republicans don't want to go down with a madman and lose local and state elections, and give democrats control of everything. If they don't run away from him the damage is cataclysmic.
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On October 09 2016 03:07 GoTuNk! wrote:
Those Republican Senators unendorsing Trump for a bunch of silly ass remarks 10 years ago are pathetic. Good thing Trump made it clear there is "zero chance I'll quit".
As I said, it just proves that they were just in it to get re-elected and go back to being the corporate shills they always were. As soon as it looks like supporting Trump isn't +EV for their election chances, they're out.
Electing Trump was never going to be the massive renaissance of the Republican party that some people made it out to be. That he could possibly change anything about the sad state of politics in the US was never more than a pipe dream.
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Exactly what I mentioned. The Trump supporters make up too large of a crowd for the Republicans to save this election. Trump is almost 3rd party candidate status at this point; there's no way in hell he'll win as the Republican nominee (going to lose too many moderates/undecided), and there's no way in hell the GOP can ditch him for another candidate (they'll lose too many supporters to Trump).
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On October 09 2016 03:09 TheYango wrote:Show nested quote +On October 09 2016 03:07 GoTuNk! wrote:
Those Republican Senators unendorsing Trump for a bunch of silly ass remarks 10 years ago are pathetic. Good thing Trump made it clear there is "zero chance I'll quit". As I said, it just proves that they were just in it to get re-elected and go back to being the corporate shills they always were. As soon as it looks like supporting Trump isn't +EV for their election chances, they're out. Electing Trump was never going to be the massive renaissance of the Republican party that some people made it out to be. That he could possibly change anything about the sad state of politics in the US was never more than a pipe dream.
I dunno about that. I think they were probably always deeply uncomfortable with Trump for plenty of reasons besides shillhood (e.g. McCain comments and the ways he attacked opponents in the primary), and now that he's up shit creek they see a chance to express that.
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On October 09 2016 03:13 Stratos_speAr wrote:Exactly what I mentioned. The Trump supporters make up too large of a crowd for the Republicans to save this election. Trump is almost 3rd party candidate status at this point; there's no way in hell he'll win as the Republican nominee (going to lose too many moderates/undecided), and there's no way in hell the GOP can ditch him for another candidate (they'll lose too many supporters to Trump).
The Republicans have no idea the monster they created over the last 6 years of doing nothing but blame Obama for everything. Their master plan as backfired and their party gives no fucks about the leaders. If there are leaders, because I don't think Ryan could put together a vote on anything at this point.
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On October 09 2016 02:54 oBlade wrote:Show nested quote +On October 09 2016 02:48 JW_DTLA wrote:On October 09 2016 02:42 oBlade wrote:On October 09 2016 02:38 Titan107 wrote:On October 09 2016 02:29 zlefin wrote:On October 09 2016 02:25 Titan107 wrote:On October 09 2016 02:14 zlefin wrote:
titan -> do you vote on general capability to enact/design good policy, or on people who's policy choices align with yours? After my post, there were 3 comments. 2 were Hillary supporters foaming at the mouth because I spoke against her, and the third was yours, a good question. So, I will respond to yours. His policy choices align with mine and the direction I would like the country to take in the next 4 years. Immigration, education (removal of common core), foreign policy, and economy. I could care less about social issues. I'd rather get the country profitable and growing before worrying about LGBT or gender issues. are you concerned that his seeming lack of policy knowledge will hinder his ability to actually make useful policies once it gets down into the gritty details of implementation? or do you think that as long as he sets the general aim, others will be able to craft the details well enough? I believe he is a smart individual in selecting successful people to work for him. No one really had Pence on the radar, but at the last debate he proved to be a strong VP candidate. Honestly, Pence isn't really liked in Indiana, but Trump selected him because he was a clear fit for the type of individual he wants in his inner circle. I believe Trump will continue this type of selection through his cabinet, which lines more along the, 'others will be able to craft the details well enough.' On the other side, Tim Kaine was a pick just to secure Virginia in the electoral college. It was a political choice in which Hillary made to become elected. I find it interesting because the question you gave explains both candidates. Hillary will do back room deals to pass what they want, while Donald will hire more knowledgeable non-yes-men to correct issues plaguing this country. Of course, this is how I perceive both candidates. Others may see it differently. Tim Kaine would be like Legate Broca was to the Dominion in a Clinton administration. Just an afterthought. I disagree. HRC sent Kaine against Pence to try and stick Pence with Trump's words. Pence chose to lie about what those word were, but that is still within Kaine's mission success parameters. That was an important mission and Kaine seems to have succeeded. You are just repeating Kaine's role as a campaign tool and not addressing how effectual he'd be in a White House with Hillary, Bill, and the decades worth of cronies they've been dragging around.
Kaine is a legendary grade politician who has never lost an election. His rise to power has been uninterrupted for 20 years. He took Virginia from Red to Purple to Blue. I have absolute confidence that he will be able to carve a role out for himself that keeps his rise going.
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