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{CC}StealthBlue
Profile Blog Joined January 2003
United States41117 Posts
October 08 2016 18:25 GMT
#107821
"Smokey, this is not 'Nam, this is bowling. There are rules."
OuchyDathurts
Profile Joined September 2010
United States4588 Posts
October 08 2016 18:26 GMT
#107822
In what universe is Carson the answer? ROFL LMAO
LiquidDota Staff
ZeaL.
Profile Blog Joined April 2009
United States5955 Posts
October 08 2016 18:26 GMT
#107823
On October 09 2016 03:17 Plansix wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 09 2016 03:13 Stratos_speAr wrote:
On October 09 2016 03:11 {CC}StealthBlue wrote:


Exactly what I mentioned. The Trump supporters make up too large of a crowd for the Republicans to save this election. Trump is almost 3rd party candidate status at this point; there's no way in hell he'll win as the Republican nominee (going to lose too many moderates/undecided), and there's no way in hell the GOP can ditch him for another candidate (they'll lose too many supporters to Trump).

The Republicans have no idea the monster they created over the last 6 years of doing nothing but blame Obama for everything. Their master plan as backfired and their party gives no fucks about the leaders. If there are leaders, because I don't think Ryan could put together a vote on anything at this point.


Somewhere out there, Boehner is watching the news while drinking whiskey with a contented grin on his face.
TheTenthDoc
Profile Blog Joined February 2011
United States9561 Posts
October 08 2016 18:29 GMT
#107824
On October 09 2016 03:26 OuchyDathurts wrote:
In what universe is Carson the answer? ROFL LMAO

I mean if you want to be 100% certain the VP pick would be doing all the governing you could probably put Carson-VP on the ticket, so it's an answer in that sense
ACrow
Profile Joined October 2011
Germany6583 Posts
October 08 2016 18:30 GMT
#107825
On October 09 2016 03:26 OuchyDathurts wrote:
In what universe is Carson the answer? ROFL LMAO

Personality-wise, he is the exact opposite of Gropin' Trump, so maybe that is the reasoning?
Get off my lawn, young punks
{CC}StealthBlue
Profile Blog Joined January 2003
United States41117 Posts
October 08 2016 18:31 GMT
#107826
"Smokey, this is not 'Nam, this is bowling. There are rules."
Stratos_speAr
Profile Joined May 2009
United States6959 Posts
October 08 2016 18:32 GMT
#107827
Would be a horrible ticket. Pence's biggest weakness is his extreme social conservatism, and Carson doesn't help alleviate that whatsoever. They both appeal to socially conservative and religious crowds first and foremost.
A sound mind in a sound body, is a short, but full description of a happy state in this World: he that has these two, has little more to wish for; and he that wants either of them, will be little the better for anything else.
OuchyDathurts
Profile Joined September 2010
United States4588 Posts
October 08 2016 18:32 GMT
#107828
At least pick someone who isn't considered a moron though. You're trying to win the unwinnable. You're not getting there by picking grain storage Carson. At least pick Rubio or someone that independents might not laugh out of town instantly.
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biology]major
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
United States2253 Posts
October 08 2016 18:46 GMT
#107829
Pence Carson would be awesome, I'd rather have Carson be the president, and was the one I liked the most during the primaries. The abandonment of trump will be fully decided by this debate though, if he fails miserably I'd wish they replace him.
Question.?
Toadesstern
Profile Blog Joined October 2008
Germany16350 Posts
Last Edited: 2016-10-08 18:49:27
October 08 2016 18:47 GMT
#107830
On October 09 2016 03:32 OuchyDathurts wrote:
At least pick someone who isn't considered a moron though. You're trying to win the unwinnable. You're not getting there by picking grain storage Carson. At least pick Rubio or someone that independents might not laugh out of town instantly.

I've been saying Rubio would have crushed hillary and everyone here was laughing about how he got bend over with just one comment about being tardy during the primary.

That would have been over after a week and who gives a crap about that when all you need to win this election is to look like you're not literally a monster. Pretty sure a lot of people could forgive Rubio for not showing up for work [ever] as long as he's up against people like Clinton, Trump or Cruz in a general election
<Elem> >toad in charge of judging lewdness <Elem> how bad can it be <Elem> also wew, that is actually p lewd.
Adreme
Profile Joined June 2011
United States5574 Posts
October 08 2016 18:47 GMT
#107831
On October 09 2016 03:32 Stratos_speAr wrote:
Would be a horrible ticket. Pence's biggest weakness is his extreme social conservatism, and Carson doesn't help alleviate that whatsoever. They both appeal to socially conservative and religious crowds first and foremost.


The goal with that ticket is not to win. The goal is to use Carson to placate the Trump voters and keep them in the tent while using both Carson and Pence to keep the social conservatives happy and make sure there is an actual party for 2020 (I hate to tell them that by 2020 its virtually impossible for a republican to win the white house).
Gorsameth
Profile Joined April 2010
Netherlands22131 Posts
October 08 2016 18:50 GMT
#107832
On October 09 2016 03:47 Adreme wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 09 2016 03:32 Stratos_speAr wrote:
Would be a horrible ticket. Pence's biggest weakness is his extreme social conservatism, and Carson doesn't help alleviate that whatsoever. They both appeal to socially conservative and religious crowds first and foremost.


The goal with that ticket is not to win. The goal is to use Carson to placate the Trump voters and keep them in the tent while using both Carson and Pence to keep the social conservatives happy and make sure there is an actual party for 2020 (I hate to tell them that by 2020 its virtually impossible for a republican to win the white house).

There is no Republican party in 2020. Their voters have increasingly run off the nut end. The moderates are leaving the party because they don't want to be bedfellows with the crazies.

There is no way forward. only further back.
It ignores such insignificant forces as time, entropy, and death
Stratos_speAr
Profile Joined May 2009
United States6959 Posts
October 08 2016 18:50 GMT
#107833
On October 09 2016 03:47 Adreme wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 09 2016 03:32 Stratos_speAr wrote:
Would be a horrible ticket. Pence's biggest weakness is his extreme social conservatism, and Carson doesn't help alleviate that whatsoever. They both appeal to socially conservative and religious crowds first and foremost.


The goal with that ticket is not to win. The goal is to use Carson to placate the Trump voters and keep them in the tent while using both Carson and Pence to keep the social conservatives happy and make sure there is an actual party for 2020 (I hate to tell them that by 2020 its virtually impossible for a republican to win the white house).


I don't see how Carson could appeal to Trump voters.

They're pretty much nothing alike, both in terms of policy and in terms of demeanor.
A sound mind in a sound body, is a short, but full description of a happy state in this World: he that has these two, has little more to wish for; and he that wants either of them, will be little the better for anything else.
Gorsameth
Profile Joined April 2010
Netherlands22131 Posts
October 08 2016 18:51 GMT
#107834
On October 09 2016 03:50 Stratos_speAr wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 09 2016 03:47 Adreme wrote:
On October 09 2016 03:32 Stratos_speAr wrote:
Would be a horrible ticket. Pence's biggest weakness is his extreme social conservatism, and Carson doesn't help alleviate that whatsoever. They both appeal to socially conservative and religious crowds first and foremost.


The goal with that ticket is not to win. The goal is to use Carson to placate the Trump voters and keep them in the tent while using both Carson and Pence to keep the social conservatives happy and make sure there is an actual party for 2020 (I hate to tell them that by 2020 its virtually impossible for a republican to win the white house).


I don't see how Carson could appeal to Trump voters.

They're pretty much nothing alike, both in terms of policy and in terms of demeanor.

Trump and Carson got on pretty well I believe. He was actually a rumored candidate for VP.

Both are outsiders with no regard for reality
It ignores such insignificant forces as time, entropy, and death
JinDesu
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
United States3990 Posts
October 08 2016 18:52 GMT
#107835
Personally I like Kasich. But would still vote Hillary over the Republican field at this time.
Yargh
Stratos_speAr
Profile Joined May 2009
United States6959 Posts
October 08 2016 18:53 GMT
#107836
On October 09 2016 03:51 Gorsameth wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 09 2016 03:50 Stratos_speAr wrote:
On October 09 2016 03:47 Adreme wrote:
On October 09 2016 03:32 Stratos_speAr wrote:
Would be a horrible ticket. Pence's biggest weakness is his extreme social conservatism, and Carson doesn't help alleviate that whatsoever. They both appeal to socially conservative and religious crowds first and foremost.


The goal with that ticket is not to win. The goal is to use Carson to placate the Trump voters and keep them in the tent while using both Carson and Pence to keep the social conservatives happy and make sure there is an actual party for 2020 (I hate to tell them that by 2020 its virtually impossible for a republican to win the white house).


I don't see how Carson could appeal to Trump voters.

They're pretty much nothing alike, both in terms of policy and in terms of demeanor.

Trump and Carson got on pretty well I believe. He was actually a rumored candidate for VP.

Both are outsiders with no regard for reality


The fact that neither of them are career politicians is the only thing they have in common.
A sound mind in a sound body, is a short, but full description of a happy state in this World: he that has these two, has little more to wish for; and he that wants either of them, will be little the better for anything else.
OuchyDathurts
Profile Joined September 2010
United States4588 Posts
October 08 2016 18:56 GMT
#107837
Carson proved he was Trump's lapdog for sure. But I still don't see much overlap on anything. Carson is a biblical literalist creationist, Trump is an atheist. Sure Carson and Pence have a lot in common but that's not winning you anything. The social conservationism angle republicans have always taken is a total fucking dead end. If they don't pivot 180 degrees away from that the party is doomed. More and more of the old people that believe that garbage are dying every day and they're not getting replaced. As time, the country, and the planet move forward they're going to get crushed and killed under the wheel of progress. If the republican party doesn't want to die with them they need a total overhaul and reshaping of the party and their principles from the ground up.
LiquidDota Staff
Rebs
Profile Blog Joined February 2011
Pakistan10726 Posts
October 08 2016 18:56 GMT
#107838
On October 09 2016 03:26 OuchyDathurts wrote:
In what universe is Carson the answer? ROFL LMAO


The universe where you are getting held up at gun point at a Popeyes...
Adreme
Profile Joined June 2011
United States5574 Posts
October 08 2016 18:57 GMT
#107839
On October 09 2016 03:53 Stratos_speAr wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 09 2016 03:51 Gorsameth wrote:
On October 09 2016 03:50 Stratos_speAr wrote:
On October 09 2016 03:47 Adreme wrote:
On October 09 2016 03:32 Stratos_speAr wrote:
Would be a horrible ticket. Pence's biggest weakness is his extreme social conservatism, and Carson doesn't help alleviate that whatsoever. They both appeal to socially conservative and religious crowds first and foremost.


The goal with that ticket is not to win. The goal is to use Carson to placate the Trump voters and keep them in the tent while using both Carson and Pence to keep the social conservatives happy and make sure there is an actual party for 2020 (I hate to tell them that by 2020 its virtually impossible for a republican to win the white house).


I don't see how Carson could appeal to Trump voters.

They're pretty much nothing alike, both in terms of policy and in terms of demeanor.

Trump and Carson got on pretty well I believe. He was actually a rumored candidate for VP.

Both are outsiders with no regard for reality


The fact that neither of them are career politicians is the only thing they have in common.


Trumps major appeal is that he is not a career politician and that he will "tell it like it is" (I put that in quotes because people who pay attention know that he lies more than any politician in recent memory which is impressive in its own right)
Adreme
Profile Joined June 2011
United States5574 Posts
October 08 2016 18:58 GMT
#107840
On October 09 2016 03:56 OuchyDathurts wrote:
Carson proved he was Trump's lapdog for sure. But I still don't see much overlap on anything. Carson is a biblical literalist creationist, Trump is an atheist. Sure Carson and Pence have a lot in common but that's not winning you anything. The social conservationism angle republicans have always taken is a total fucking dead end. If they don't pivot 180 degrees away from that the party is doomed. More and more of the old people that believe that garbage are dying every day and they're not getting replaced. As time, the country, and the planet move forward they're going to get crushed and killed under the wheel of progress. If the republican party doesn't want to die with them they need a total overhaul and reshaping of the party and their principles from the ground up.


Trump is actually not an atheist (at least not openly). He attends faith conferences and talks about how big a role God plays in his life. I dont believe any of it but he is at least in public a religious person.
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