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Seeing how Danglars responds to the tweet storm will be an interesting study in partisan behavior. He started out loathing Trump, eventually got in line, now seems to genuinely believe he would be better for the country than Clinton. But after telling people to go check out a sex tape in a 3 AM meltdown, we will now see how fit for president he manages to be in the eyes of his supporters.
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On September 30 2016 23:33 KwarK wrote:Show nested quote +On September 30 2016 23:17 Danglars wrote:On September 30 2016 13:34 WolfintheSheep wrote:On September 30 2016 13:28 Danglars wrote:On September 30 2016 11:21 Nevuk wrote:On September 30 2016 11:07 Danglars wrote:On September 30 2016 10:26 Nevuk wrote:
Frankly, it's kind of disgusting that the american system let's a man get away with all the shit Trump has pulled until a concerted effort is actually made to look into his business dealings for political reasons (no one would be investigating half the things that have come out recently if he weren't running for president). We learned about Clinton's private email server years later, despite at least two warnings from state department officials. Clinton foundation higher-ups had intimate connections with the state department such as hiring and firing, and major donors to the foundation got favors from the state department. I can only wonder how the Obama administration let that go on that long. Disgusting! No one would care about that at all if Clinton weren't in politics either. I'm saying that a man who treated tenants and business partners the way he has should be in jail, period. I don't care if he's in politics or not - his behavior is flat out unacceptable and it shouldn't have taken this long to find out about his absurdly shady foundation. That lack of vetting seems pretty bad on the part of the GOP. It has nothing to do with his opponent, who I'm not a huge fan of either. It has to do with the system that allows parasitic scum like Trump to exist in the first place. You know I have met some cynical people in life. But it takes someone especially callous to think selling government influence and putting her own secrecy obsession above national security is not of interest. Add to that how long she got away with it, just like you were concerned with Trump's. Maybe what America needs is Trump to serve four years, and next time nominate a better opposing candidate that won't make Nixon look like Saint George. Hell, the journalism alone might be a boon to the next generation to see what speaking truth to power really looks like. Constantly amazes me how entrenched the party lines are in the US. You basically have a cartoon villain running for President. I think you guys should've stuck to the "literally Hitler" schtick. On September 30 2016 16:08 Grumbels wrote:On September 30 2016 11:54 WolfintheSheep wrote:On September 30 2016 11:46 biology]major wrote:
I find this fbi email scandal case fascinating. I really wonder if I would have gotten the same consequence as HRC if I did the same things she did. If I set up a private email server and had 2-3 classified documents out of thousands, basically told the FBI "I didn't know!!", was found to lie about it to the public. Oh and if my employee had made a reddit post asking for how to delete emails from my server and then tried to delete his posts after his username was found out.
Anyone honestly think comey would add in an intent element to the statute for me or you or anyone else? Lost a lot of faith in the FBI. Probably? You'd also have to be someone with access to classified documents in the first place. I imagine there's this bizarre fetishization of classified information, like the public imagines that a breach of that will get you shipped to a secret prison and you'll never see the light of day again. Reality is probably that tons of classified documents get mishandled, in small amounts, basically every day. Also, the reddit post wasn't about deleting emails, it was removing names and email addresses. One specific person's. Which the FBI either knew who it was (if it was Hillary), or could get easily by asking the dumb IT guy. The US gov routinely classifies virtually everything, often stuff that you can read in the newspapers but which the government is not yet ready to admit will be classified information. No surprise people inside the government don't take it seriously. Something like a million citizens have fairly wide access to classified information anyway, these things are all open secrets. Of course there are some stricter labels like top secret that to reveal carry real implications. On September 30 2016 13:28 Danglars wrote:On September 30 2016 11:21 Nevuk wrote:On September 30 2016 11:07 Danglars wrote:On September 30 2016 10:26 Nevuk wrote:
Frankly, it's kind of disgusting that the american system let's a man get away with all the shit Trump has pulled until a concerted effort is actually made to look into his business dealings for political reasons (no one would be investigating half the things that have come out recently if he weren't running for president). We learned about Clinton's private email server years later, despite at least two warnings from state department officials. Clinton foundation higher-ups had intimate connections with the state department such as hiring and firing, and major donors to the foundation got favors from the state department. I can only wonder how the Obama administration let that go on that long. Disgusting! No one would care about that at all if Clinton weren't in politics either. I'm saying that a man who treated tenants and business partners the way he has should be in jail, period. I don't care if he's in politics or not - his behavior is flat out unacceptable and it shouldn't have taken this long to find out about his absurdly shady foundation. That lack of vetting seems pretty bad on the part of the GOP. It has nothing to do with his opponent, who I'm not a huge fan of either. It has to do with the system that allows parasitic scum like Trump to exist in the first place. You know I have met some cynical people in life. But it takes someone especially callous to think selling government influence and putting her own secrecy obsession above national security is not of interest. Add to that how long she got away with it, just like you were concerned with Trump's. Maybe what America needs is Trump to serve four years, and next time nominate a better opposing candidate that won't make Nixon look like Saint George. Hell, the journalism alone might be a boon to the next generation to see what speaking truth to power really looks like. I think for my long term health I should really stop visiting this thread. Trump is evil, like someone else said, he is a cartoon villain. How literally delusional do you have to be to consider voting for him? He is an actual threat to world civilization. I bet you are exactly the type of person that would vote for Lex Luthor as president. Thanks for the laugh. I'm literally delusional to even consider voting for him. An actual threat to world civilization. Now put a Bible in your right hand and state that this election is between the forces of darkness and the forces of light. It used to be common fare to make fun of the religious right's figures, but now it's crossed over to the American left. And yes, between the two, Trump is the far better choice for America, however upset I am that those are final two choices. Show nested quote +Mr Trump, what is your priority within the nuclear triad, the b52s, the missiles or the submarines? Show nested quote +Nuclear changes the whole ball game. The biggest problem we have today is nuclear proliferation anding are some maniac, having some madman go out and get a nuclear weapon. In my opinion, that is the single biggest problem that our country faces right now. Your choice for commander in chief.
Your far better choice for commander in chief*
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This is going to turn into Khan 2.0.
Trump's going to skewer himself in the public eye and probably give Clinton a big bump, and election day is only ~5 weeks away.
And xDaunt kept trying to tell us all summer about how Trump was actually a mastermind and was playing the Left like a fiddle this entire election...
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On September 30 2016 23:20 ticklishmusic wrote:Show nested quote +On September 30 2016 23:17 Danglars wrote:On September 30 2016 13:34 WolfintheSheep wrote:On September 30 2016 13:28 Danglars wrote:On September 30 2016 11:21 Nevuk wrote:On September 30 2016 11:07 Danglars wrote:On September 30 2016 10:26 Nevuk wrote:
Frankly, it's kind of disgusting that the american system let's a man get away with all the shit Trump has pulled until a concerted effort is actually made to look into his business dealings for political reasons (no one would be investigating half the things that have come out recently if he weren't running for president). We learned about Clinton's private email server years later, despite at least two warnings from state department officials. Clinton foundation higher-ups had intimate connections with the state department such as hiring and firing, and major donors to the foundation got favors from the state department. I can only wonder how the Obama administration let that go on that long. Disgusting! No one would care about that at all if Clinton weren't in politics either. I'm saying that a man who treated tenants and business partners the way he has should be in jail, period. I don't care if he's in politics or not - his behavior is flat out unacceptable and it shouldn't have taken this long to find out about his absurdly shady foundation. That lack of vetting seems pretty bad on the part of the GOP. It has nothing to do with his opponent, who I'm not a huge fan of either. It has to do with the system that allows parasitic scum like Trump to exist in the first place. You know I have met some cynical people in life. But it takes someone especially callous to think selling government influence and putting her own secrecy obsession above national security is not of interest. Add to that how long she got away with it, just like you were concerned with Trump's. Maybe what America needs is Trump to serve four years, and next time nominate a better opposing candidate that won't make Nixon look like Saint George. Hell, the journalism alone might be a boon to the next generation to see what speaking truth to power really looks like. Constantly amazes me how entrenched the party lines are in the US. You basically have a cartoon villain running for President. I think you guys should've stuck to the "literally Hitler" schtick. On September 30 2016 16:08 Grumbels wrote:On September 30 2016 11:54 WolfintheSheep wrote:On September 30 2016 11:46 biology]major wrote:
I find this fbi email scandal case fascinating. I really wonder if I would have gotten the same consequence as HRC if I did the same things she did. If I set up a private email server and had 2-3 classified documents out of thousands, basically told the FBI "I didn't know!!", was found to lie about it to the public. Oh and if my employee had made a reddit post asking for how to delete emails from my server and then tried to delete his posts after his username was found out.
Anyone honestly think comey would add in an intent element to the statute for me or you or anyone else? Lost a lot of faith in the FBI. Probably? You'd also have to be someone with access to classified documents in the first place. I imagine there's this bizarre fetishization of classified information, like the public imagines that a breach of that will get you shipped to a secret prison and you'll never see the light of day again. Reality is probably that tons of classified documents get mishandled, in small amounts, basically every day. Also, the reddit post wasn't about deleting emails, it was removing names and email addresses. One specific person's. Which the FBI either knew who it was (if it was Hillary), or could get easily by asking the dumb IT guy. The US gov routinely classifies virtually everything, often stuff that you can read in the newspapers but which the government is not yet ready to admit will be classified information. No surprise people inside the government don't take it seriously. Something like a million citizens have fairly wide access to classified information anyway, these things are all open secrets. Of course there are some stricter labels like top secret that to reveal carry real implications. On September 30 2016 13:28 Danglars wrote:On September 30 2016 11:21 Nevuk wrote:On September 30 2016 11:07 Danglars wrote:On September 30 2016 10:26 Nevuk wrote:
Frankly, it's kind of disgusting that the american system let's a man get away with all the shit Trump has pulled until a concerted effort is actually made to look into his business dealings for political reasons (no one would be investigating half the things that have come out recently if he weren't running for president). We learned about Clinton's private email server years later, despite at least two warnings from state department officials. Clinton foundation higher-ups had intimate connections with the state department such as hiring and firing, and major donors to the foundation got favors from the state department. I can only wonder how the Obama administration let that go on that long. Disgusting! No one would care about that at all if Clinton weren't in politics either. I'm saying that a man who treated tenants and business partners the way he has should be in jail, period. I don't care if he's in politics or not - his behavior is flat out unacceptable and it shouldn't have taken this long to find out about his absurdly shady foundation. That lack of vetting seems pretty bad on the part of the GOP. It has nothing to do with his opponent, who I'm not a huge fan of either. It has to do with the system that allows parasitic scum like Trump to exist in the first place. You know I have met some cynical people in life. But it takes someone especially callous to think selling government influence and putting her own secrecy obsession above national security is not of interest. Add to that how long she got away with it, just like you were concerned with Trump's. Maybe what America needs is Trump to serve four years, and next time nominate a better opposing candidate that won't make Nixon look like Saint George. Hell, the journalism alone might be a boon to the next generation to see what speaking truth to power really looks like. I think for my long term health I should really stop visiting this thread. Trump is evil, like someone else said, he is a cartoon villain. How literally delusional do you have to be to consider voting for him? He is an actual threat to world civilization. I bet you are exactly the type of person that would vote for Lex Luthor as president. Thanks for the laugh. I'm literally delusional to even consider voting for him. An actual threat to world civilization. Now put a Bible in your right hand and state that this election is between the forces of darkness and the forces of light. It used to be common fare to make fun of the religious right's figures, but now it's crossed over to the American left. And yes, between the two, Trump is the far better choice for America, however upset I am that those are final two choices. you still feel that way after the tweetstorm?
Wait, did the Democrats suddenly give Hillary the boot from their ticket? Do you want me to edit in deeply upset instead of simply upset?
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On September 30 2016 23:37 Danglars wrote:Show nested quote +On September 30 2016 23:20 ticklishmusic wrote:On September 30 2016 23:17 Danglars wrote:On September 30 2016 13:34 WolfintheSheep wrote:On September 30 2016 13:28 Danglars wrote:On September 30 2016 11:21 Nevuk wrote:On September 30 2016 11:07 Danglars wrote:On September 30 2016 10:26 Nevuk wrote:
Frankly, it's kind of disgusting that the american system let's a man get away with all the shit Trump has pulled until a concerted effort is actually made to look into his business dealings for political reasons (no one would be investigating half the things that have come out recently if he weren't running for president). We learned about Clinton's private email server years later, despite at least two warnings from state department officials. Clinton foundation higher-ups had intimate connections with the state department such as hiring and firing, and major donors to the foundation got favors from the state department. I can only wonder how the Obama administration let that go on that long. Disgusting! No one would care about that at all if Clinton weren't in politics either. I'm saying that a man who treated tenants and business partners the way he has should be in jail, period. I don't care if he's in politics or not - his behavior is flat out unacceptable and it shouldn't have taken this long to find out about his absurdly shady foundation. That lack of vetting seems pretty bad on the part of the GOP. It has nothing to do with his opponent, who I'm not a huge fan of either. It has to do with the system that allows parasitic scum like Trump to exist in the first place. You know I have met some cynical people in life. But it takes someone especially callous to think selling government influence and putting her own secrecy obsession above national security is not of interest. Add to that how long she got away with it, just like you were concerned with Trump's. Maybe what America needs is Trump to serve four years, and next time nominate a better opposing candidate that won't make Nixon look like Saint George. Hell, the journalism alone might be a boon to the next generation to see what speaking truth to power really looks like. Constantly amazes me how entrenched the party lines are in the US. You basically have a cartoon villain running for President. I think you guys should've stuck to the "literally Hitler" schtick. On September 30 2016 16:08 Grumbels wrote:On September 30 2016 11:54 WolfintheSheep wrote:On September 30 2016 11:46 biology]major wrote:
I find this fbi email scandal case fascinating. I really wonder if I would have gotten the same consequence as HRC if I did the same things she did. If I set up a private email server and had 2-3 classified documents out of thousands, basically told the FBI "I didn't know!!", was found to lie about it to the public. Oh and if my employee had made a reddit post asking for how to delete emails from my server and then tried to delete his posts after his username was found out.
Anyone honestly think comey would add in an intent element to the statute for me or you or anyone else? Lost a lot of faith in the FBI. Probably? You'd also have to be someone with access to classified documents in the first place. I imagine there's this bizarre fetishization of classified information, like the public imagines that a breach of that will get you shipped to a secret prison and you'll never see the light of day again. Reality is probably that tons of classified documents get mishandled, in small amounts, basically every day. Also, the reddit post wasn't about deleting emails, it was removing names and email addresses. One specific person's. Which the FBI either knew who it was (if it was Hillary), or could get easily by asking the dumb IT guy. The US gov routinely classifies virtually everything, often stuff that you can read in the newspapers but which the government is not yet ready to admit will be classified information. No surprise people inside the government don't take it seriously. Something like a million citizens have fairly wide access to classified information anyway, these things are all open secrets. Of course there are some stricter labels like top secret that to reveal carry real implications. On September 30 2016 13:28 Danglars wrote:On September 30 2016 11:21 Nevuk wrote:On September 30 2016 11:07 Danglars wrote:On September 30 2016 10:26 Nevuk wrote:
Frankly, it's kind of disgusting that the american system let's a man get away with all the shit Trump has pulled until a concerted effort is actually made to look into his business dealings for political reasons (no one would be investigating half the things that have come out recently if he weren't running for president). We learned about Clinton's private email server years later, despite at least two warnings from state department officials. Clinton foundation higher-ups had intimate connections with the state department such as hiring and firing, and major donors to the foundation got favors from the state department. I can only wonder how the Obama administration let that go on that long. Disgusting! No one would care about that at all if Clinton weren't in politics either. I'm saying that a man who treated tenants and business partners the way he has should be in jail, period. I don't care if he's in politics or not - his behavior is flat out unacceptable and it shouldn't have taken this long to find out about his absurdly shady foundation. That lack of vetting seems pretty bad on the part of the GOP. It has nothing to do with his opponent, who I'm not a huge fan of either. It has to do with the system that allows parasitic scum like Trump to exist in the first place. You know I have met some cynical people in life. But it takes someone especially callous to think selling government influence and putting her own secrecy obsession above national security is not of interest. Add to that how long she got away with it, just like you were concerned with Trump's. Maybe what America needs is Trump to serve four years, and next time nominate a better opposing candidate that won't make Nixon look like Saint George. Hell, the journalism alone might be a boon to the next generation to see what speaking truth to power really looks like. I think for my long term health I should really stop visiting this thread. Trump is evil, like someone else said, he is a cartoon villain. How literally delusional do you have to be to consider voting for him? He is an actual threat to world civilization. I bet you are exactly the type of person that would vote for Lex Luthor as president. Thanks for the laugh. I'm literally delusional to even consider voting for him. An actual threat to world civilization. Now put a Bible in your right hand and state that this election is between the forces of darkness and the forces of light. It used to be common fare to make fun of the religious right's figures, but now it's crossed over to the American left. And yes, between the two, Trump is the far better choice for America, however upset I am that those are final two choices. you still feel that way after the tweetstorm? Wait, did the Democrats suddenly give Hillary the boot from their ticket? Do you want me to edit in deeply upset instead of simply upset?
But you are still going to vote for the guy telling us to check out a sex tape and who thinks we should be able use nukes?
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But Trump is a mastermind in a sense, but he is also a ego. A massive one at that.
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On September 30 2016 23:35 Stratos_speAr wrote:
And xDaunt kept trying to tell us all summer about how Trump was actually a mastermind and was playing the Left like a fiddle this entire election...
I think for a lot of people, the idea that someone who really is just a crazy, insecure loudmouthed shithead winning their primary is a really big deal. It really can't be rectified in their mindset that there aren't legitimate problems with the party. The idea that Trump is a mastermind was the only way the existing view of the party could be somewhat intact.
I mean, it's a pretty devastating thing. People identify pretty strongly with their party. For certain communities, loyalty to the republican party is also often a family/community thing. People raised to be proud republicans, being told they are the heart of the country and all that stuff, may have a hard time coming to realize things are not nearly as they appeared. It forces someone to either significantly lower their view of their elder family members and community, or find another way to see the grass as green.
EDIT: You often see this same type of thinking in people coming from religious families. I've known a few people who go to college and learn all about all the things totally wrong with their shitty rural communities. Their faith in god clearly shaken, and perhaps broken, these people start to feel a lot of guilt for diverging from their parents' GENUINE beliefs. Faith in god then becomes more of a social thing and a way to connect with their community/family, all the while they don't really believe it. People having to face the reality that their mother/father buy into stuff that is very likely not true at all is a really shattering experience. I think a lot of people don't want to face it.
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On September 30 2016 23:38 {CC}StealthBlue wrote:
But Trump is a mastermind in a sense, but he also a ego. A massive one at that.
Being able to identify and follow the path of least resistance is hardly the stuff of a mastermind, but yes, spot on with regards to the ego 
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On September 30 2016 23:40 Mohdoo wrote:Show nested quote +On September 30 2016 23:35 Stratos_speAr wrote:
And xDaunt kept trying to tell us all summer about how Trump was actually a mastermind and was playing the Left like a fiddle this entire election... I think for a lot of people, the idea that someone who really is just a crazy, insecure loudmouthed shithead winning their primary is a really big deal. It really can't be rectified in their mindset that there aren't legitimate problems with the party. The idea that Trump is a mastermind was the only way the existing view of the party could be somewhat intact. I mean, it's a pretty devastating thing. People identify pretty strongly with their party. For certain communities, loyalty to the republican party is also often a family/community thing. People raised to be proud republicans, being told they are the heart of the country and all that stuff, may have a hard time coming to realize things are not nearly as they appeared. It forces someone to either significantly lower their view of their elder family members and community, or find another way to see the grass as green.
My law school graduating class this year is full to the brim with Republicans who are very honest about how devastating Trump's nomination is to their sense of politics. Thus far, it seems like Introvert is the only poster on here who matches up with that perspective, though I may be forgetting some.
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Canada11363 Posts
Well, if the Clinton campaign was hoping to create another Khan family moment by throwing in the former model at the debate, Trump is sure doing his level best to oblige. That man seems pathologically incapable of letting a matter drop.
I mean, even the Rosie O'Donnell thing, if that video posted earlier is all she really said, I could understand still being ambivalent to her, but I don't understand the level of animosity that he harbours towards her to this day. To me, holding grudges that long is just too much work. Maybe because in personality, she's somewhat like a female Trump it was more aggravating? But the sort of petty retaliations he feels necessary strikes me as someone who is not able to confidently rest in his own accomplishments, not needing to respond to inconsequential attacks because he knows he is accomplished. Instead we a Napoleon complex... despite him being a tall man.
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I think of Trump as the logical conclusion of the stupidity that the Republican Party has pushed for the past few decades.
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On September 30 2016 23:43 farvacola wrote:Show nested quote +On September 30 2016 23:40 Mohdoo wrote:On September 30 2016 23:35 Stratos_speAr wrote:
And xDaunt kept trying to tell us all summer about how Trump was actually a mastermind and was playing the Left like a fiddle this entire election... I think for a lot of people, the idea that someone who really is just a crazy, insecure loudmouthed shithead winning their primary is a really big deal. It really can't be rectified in their mindset that there aren't legitimate problems with the party. The idea that Trump is a mastermind was the only way the existing view of the party could be somewhat intact. I mean, it's a pretty devastating thing. People identify pretty strongly with their party. For certain communities, loyalty to the republican party is also often a family/community thing. People raised to be proud republicans, being told they are the heart of the country and all that stuff, may have a hard time coming to realize things are not nearly as they appeared. It forces someone to either significantly lower their view of their elder family members and community, or find another way to see the grass as green. My law school graduating class this year is full to the brim with Republicans who are very honest about how devastating Trump's nomination is to their sense of politics. Thus far, it seems like Introvert is the only poster on here who matches up with that perspective, though I may be forgetting some.
LegalLord, although he's not that much of a conservative; more a contrarian, if I had to put a label to it.
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On September 30 2016 23:44 Falling wrote:
Well, if the Clinton campaign was hoping to create another Khan family moment by throwing in the former model at the debate, Trump is sure doing his level best to oblige. That man seems pathologically incapable of letting a matter drop.
I mean, even the Rosie O'Donnell thing, if that video posted earlier is all she really said, I could understand still being ambivalent to her, but I don't understand the level of animosity that he harbours towards her to this day. To me, holding grudges that long is just too much work. Maybe because in personality, she's somewhat like a female Trump it was more aggravating? But the sort of petty retaliations he feels necessary strikes me as someone who is not able to confidently rest in his own accomplishments, not needing to respond to inconsequential attacks because he knows he is accomplished. Instead we a Napoleon complex... despite him being a tall man.
Didn't he frequently harass someone for 2 years strait who wrote a book about him?
Its extremely obvious Trump is utterly unable to ignore a perceives slight to his character or image.
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On September 30 2016 23:23 farvacola wrote:
In Danglars' reality, no one made fun of Dukakis and McGovern like they did Falwell and Robertson. Interesting.
I do enjoy the full history, thank you. Now, are you ready to unironically use "cartoon villain," "literally delusional," "actual threat to world civilization," "type of person that would vote for Lex Luthor as president?"
It appears you want to understand historical tomfoolery, but the modern one is totally germane political discourse.
On September 30 2016 23:21 Dan HH wrote:Show nested quote +On September 30 2016 23:20 ticklishmusic wrote:On September 30 2016 23:17 Danglars wrote:On September 30 2016 13:34 WolfintheSheep wrote:On September 30 2016 13:28 Danglars wrote:On September 30 2016 11:21 Nevuk wrote:On September 30 2016 11:07 Danglars wrote:On September 30 2016 10:26 Nevuk wrote:
Frankly, it's kind of disgusting that the american system let's a man get away with all the shit Trump has pulled until a concerted effort is actually made to look into his business dealings for political reasons (no one would be investigating half the things that have come out recently if he weren't running for president). We learned about Clinton's private email server years later, despite at least two warnings from state department officials. Clinton foundation higher-ups had intimate connections with the state department such as hiring and firing, and major donors to the foundation got favors from the state department. I can only wonder how the Obama administration let that go on that long. Disgusting! No one would care about that at all if Clinton weren't in politics either. I'm saying that a man who treated tenants and business partners the way he has should be in jail, period. I don't care if he's in politics or not - his behavior is flat out unacceptable and it shouldn't have taken this long to find out about his absurdly shady foundation. That lack of vetting seems pretty bad on the part of the GOP. It has nothing to do with his opponent, who I'm not a huge fan of either. It has to do with the system that allows parasitic scum like Trump to exist in the first place. You know I have met some cynical people in life. But it takes someone especially callous to think selling government influence and putting her own secrecy obsession above national security is not of interest. Add to that how long she got away with it, just like you were concerned with Trump's. Maybe what America needs is Trump to serve four years, and next time nominate a better opposing candidate that won't make Nixon look like Saint George. Hell, the journalism alone might be a boon to the next generation to see what speaking truth to power really looks like. Constantly amazes me how entrenched the party lines are in the US. You basically have a cartoon villain running for President. I think you guys should've stuck to the "literally Hitler" schtick. On September 30 2016 16:08 Grumbels wrote:On September 30 2016 11:54 WolfintheSheep wrote:On September 30 2016 11:46 biology]major wrote:
I find this fbi email scandal case fascinating. I really wonder if I would have gotten the same consequence as HRC if I did the same things she did. If I set up a private email server and had 2-3 classified documents out of thousands, basically told the FBI "I didn't know!!", was found to lie about it to the public. Oh and if my employee had made a reddit post asking for how to delete emails from my server and then tried to delete his posts after his username was found out.
Anyone honestly think comey would add in an intent element to the statute for me or you or anyone else? Lost a lot of faith in the FBI. Probably? You'd also have to be someone with access to classified documents in the first place. I imagine there's this bizarre fetishization of classified information, like the public imagines that a breach of that will get you shipped to a secret prison and you'll never see the light of day again. Reality is probably that tons of classified documents get mishandled, in small amounts, basically every day. Also, the reddit post wasn't about deleting emails, it was removing names and email addresses. One specific person's. Which the FBI either knew who it was (if it was Hillary), or could get easily by asking the dumb IT guy. The US gov routinely classifies virtually everything, often stuff that you can read in the newspapers but which the government is not yet ready to admit will be classified information. No surprise people inside the government don't take it seriously. Something like a million citizens have fairly wide access to classified information anyway, these things are all open secrets. Of course there are some stricter labels like top secret that to reveal carry real implications. On September 30 2016 13:28 Danglars wrote:On September 30 2016 11:21 Nevuk wrote:On September 30 2016 11:07 Danglars wrote:On September 30 2016 10:26 Nevuk wrote:
Frankly, it's kind of disgusting that the american system let's a man get away with all the shit Trump has pulled until a concerted effort is actually made to look into his business dealings for political reasons (no one would be investigating half the things that have come out recently if he weren't running for president). We learned about Clinton's private email server years later, despite at least two warnings from state department officials. Clinton foundation higher-ups had intimate connections with the state department such as hiring and firing, and major donors to the foundation got favors from the state department. I can only wonder how the Obama administration let that go on that long. Disgusting! No one would care about that at all if Clinton weren't in politics either. I'm saying that a man who treated tenants and business partners the way he has should be in jail, period. I don't care if he's in politics or not - his behavior is flat out unacceptable and it shouldn't have taken this long to find out about his absurdly shady foundation. That lack of vetting seems pretty bad on the part of the GOP. It has nothing to do with his opponent, who I'm not a huge fan of either. It has to do with the system that allows parasitic scum like Trump to exist in the first place. You know I have met some cynical people in life. But it takes someone especially callous to think selling government influence and putting her own secrecy obsession above national security is not of interest. Add to that how long she got away with it, just like you were concerned with Trump's. Maybe what America needs is Trump to serve four years, and next time nominate a better opposing candidate that won't make Nixon look like Saint George. Hell, the journalism alone might be a boon to the next generation to see what speaking truth to power really looks like. I think for my long term health I should really stop visiting this thread. Trump is evil, like someone else said, he is a cartoon villain. How literally delusional do you have to be to consider voting for him? He is an actual threat to world civilization. I bet you are exactly the type of person that would vote for Lex Luthor as president. Thanks for the laugh. I'm literally delusional to even consider voting for him. An actual threat to world civilization. Now put a Bible in your right hand and state that this election is between the forces of darkness and the forces of light. It used to be common fare to make fun of the religious right's figures, but now it's crossed over to the American left. And yes, between the two, Trump is the far better choice for America, however upset I am that those are final two choices. you still feel that way after the tweetstorm? Why would that change his opinion, Trump's done 1000x worse than those tweets before and people didn't abandon ship
Compared to the rest of this thread, what you're doing is brilliant political analysis.
On September 30 2016 23:21 Grumbels wrote:Show nested quote +On September 30 2016 23:17 Danglars wrote:On September 30 2016 13:34 WolfintheSheep wrote:On September 30 2016 13:28 Danglars wrote:On September 30 2016 11:21 Nevuk wrote:On September 30 2016 11:07 Danglars wrote:On September 30 2016 10:26 Nevuk wrote:
Frankly, it's kind of disgusting that the american system let's a man get away with all the shit Trump has pulled until a concerted effort is actually made to look into his business dealings for political reasons (no one would be investigating half the things that have come out recently if he weren't running for president). We learned about Clinton's private email server years later, despite at least two warnings from state department officials. Clinton foundation higher-ups had intimate connections with the state department such as hiring and firing, and major donors to the foundation got favors from the state department. I can only wonder how the Obama administration let that go on that long. Disgusting! No one would care about that at all if Clinton weren't in politics either. I'm saying that a man who treated tenants and business partners the way he has should be in jail, period. I don't care if he's in politics or not - his behavior is flat out unacceptable and it shouldn't have taken this long to find out about his absurdly shady foundation. That lack of vetting seems pretty bad on the part of the GOP. It has nothing to do with his opponent, who I'm not a huge fan of either. It has to do with the system that allows parasitic scum like Trump to exist in the first place. You know I have met some cynical people in life. But it takes someone especially callous to think selling government influence and putting her own secrecy obsession above national security is not of interest. Add to that how long she got away with it, just like you were concerned with Trump's. Maybe what America needs is Trump to serve four years, and next time nominate a better opposing candidate that won't make Nixon look like Saint George. Hell, the journalism alone might be a boon to the next generation to see what speaking truth to power really looks like. Constantly amazes me how entrenched the party lines are in the US. You basically have a cartoon villain running for President. I think you guys should've stuck to the "literally Hitler" schtick. On September 30 2016 16:08 Grumbels wrote:On September 30 2016 11:54 WolfintheSheep wrote:On September 30 2016 11:46 biology]major wrote:
I find this fbi email scandal case fascinating. I really wonder if I would have gotten the same consequence as HRC if I did the same things she did. If I set up a private email server and had 2-3 classified documents out of thousands, basically told the FBI "I didn't know!!", was found to lie about it to the public. Oh and if my employee had made a reddit post asking for how to delete emails from my server and then tried to delete his posts after his username was found out.
Anyone honestly think comey would add in an intent element to the statute for me or you or anyone else? Lost a lot of faith in the FBI. Probably? You'd also have to be someone with access to classified documents in the first place. I imagine there's this bizarre fetishization of classified information, like the public imagines that a breach of that will get you shipped to a secret prison and you'll never see the light of day again. Reality is probably that tons of classified documents get mishandled, in small amounts, basically every day. Also, the reddit post wasn't about deleting emails, it was removing names and email addresses. One specific person's. Which the FBI either knew who it was (if it was Hillary), or could get easily by asking the dumb IT guy. The US gov routinely classifies virtually everything, often stuff that you can read in the newspapers but which the government is not yet ready to admit will be classified information. No surprise people inside the government don't take it seriously. Something like a million citizens have fairly wide access to classified information anyway, these things are all open secrets. Of course there are some stricter labels like top secret that to reveal carry real implications. On September 30 2016 13:28 Danglars wrote:On September 30 2016 11:21 Nevuk wrote:On September 30 2016 11:07 Danglars wrote:On September 30 2016 10:26 Nevuk wrote:
Frankly, it's kind of disgusting that the american system let's a man get away with all the shit Trump has pulled until a concerted effort is actually made to look into his business dealings for political reasons (no one would be investigating half the things that have come out recently if he weren't running for president). We learned about Clinton's private email server years later, despite at least two warnings from state department officials. Clinton foundation higher-ups had intimate connections with the state department such as hiring and firing, and major donors to the foundation got favors from the state department. I can only wonder how the Obama administration let that go on that long. Disgusting! No one would care about that at all if Clinton weren't in politics either. I'm saying that a man who treated tenants and business partners the way he has should be in jail, period. I don't care if he's in politics or not - his behavior is flat out unacceptable and it shouldn't have taken this long to find out about his absurdly shady foundation. That lack of vetting seems pretty bad on the part of the GOP. It has nothing to do with his opponent, who I'm not a huge fan of either. It has to do with the system that allows parasitic scum like Trump to exist in the first place. You know I have met some cynical people in life. But it takes someone especially callous to think selling government influence and putting her own secrecy obsession above national security is not of interest. Add to that how long she got away with it, just like you were concerned with Trump's. Maybe what America needs is Trump to serve four years, and next time nominate a better opposing candidate that won't make Nixon look like Saint George. Hell, the journalism alone might be a boon to the next generation to see what speaking truth to power really looks like. I think for my long term health I should really stop visiting this thread. Trump is evil, like someone else said, he is a cartoon villain. How literally delusional do you have to be to consider voting for him? He is an actual threat to world civilization. I bet you are exactly the type of person that would vote for Lex Luthor as president. Thanks for the laugh. I'm literally delusional to even consider voting for him. An actual threat to world civilization. Now put a Bible in your right hand and state that this election is between the forces of darkness and the forces of light. It used to be common fare to make fun of the religious right's figures, but now it's crossed over to the American left. And yes, between the two, Trump is the far better choice for America, however upset I am that those are final two choices. Remind you of anyone? http://www.nytimes.com/2016/09/28/books/hitler-ascent-volker-ullrich.html
Are you on some bet to go between Hitler and comic book villain in alternating posts?
On September 30 2016 23:43 farvacola wrote:Show nested quote +On September 30 2016 23:40 Mohdoo wrote:On September 30 2016 23:35 Stratos_speAr wrote:
And xDaunt kept trying to tell us all summer about how Trump was actually a mastermind and was playing the Left like a fiddle this entire election... I think for a lot of people, the idea that someone who really is just a crazy, insecure loudmouthed shithead winning their primary is a really big deal. It really can't be rectified in their mindset that there aren't legitimate problems with the party. The idea that Trump is a mastermind was the only way the existing view of the party could be somewhat intact. I mean, it's a pretty devastating thing. People identify pretty strongly with their party. For certain communities, loyalty to the republican party is also often a family/community thing. People raised to be proud republicans, being told they are the heart of the country and all that stuff, may have a hard time coming to realize things are not nearly as they appeared. It forces someone to either significantly lower their view of their elder family members and community, or find another way to see the grass as green. My law school graduating class this year is full to the brim with Republicans who are very honest about how devastating Trump's nomination is to their sense of politics. Thus far, it seems like Introvert is the only poster on here who matches up with that perspective, though I may be forgetting some.
In a sane world, there would be plenty of legitimate attacks on Trump's candidacy (such as those tweets like that late in the night) to devote enough time to arguing the future of the Republican party with respect to populist trade and entitlement programs. But today's American left will have to settle for thinking his critique directed at him is not devastating enough to meet their notice.
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I wonder if Johnson's most recent gaffe will actually hurt him in the polls. I've seen a lot of people who said they didn't mind the Aleppo thing claim that they were really bothered by his foreign leader answer.
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On September 30 2016 23:52 Danglars wrote:+ Show Spoiler +On September 30 2016 23:23 farvacola wrote:
In Danglars' reality, no one made fun of Dukakis and McGovern like they did Falwell and Robertson. Interesting. I do enjoy the full history, thank you. Now, are you ready to unironically use "cartoon villain," "literally delusional," "actual threat to world civilization," "type of person that would vote for Lex Luthor as president?" It appears you want to understand historical tomfoolery, but the modern one is totally germane political discourse. On September 30 2016 23:21 Dan HH wrote:Show nested quote +On September 30 2016 23:20 ticklishmusic wrote:On September 30 2016 23:17 Danglars wrote:On September 30 2016 13:34 WolfintheSheep wrote:On September 30 2016 13:28 Danglars wrote:On September 30 2016 11:21 Nevuk wrote:On September 30 2016 11:07 Danglars wrote:On September 30 2016 10:26 Nevuk wrote:
Frankly, it's kind of disgusting that the american system let's a man get away with all the shit Trump has pulled until a concerted effort is actually made to look into his business dealings for political reasons (no one would be investigating half the things that have come out recently if he weren't running for president). We learned about Clinton's private email server years later, despite at least two warnings from state department officials. Clinton foundation higher-ups had intimate connections with the state department such as hiring and firing, and major donors to the foundation got favors from the state department. I can only wonder how the Obama administration let that go on that long. Disgusting! No one would care about that at all if Clinton weren't in politics either. I'm saying that a man who treated tenants and business partners the way he has should be in jail, period. I don't care if he's in politics or not - his behavior is flat out unacceptable and it shouldn't have taken this long to find out about his absurdly shady foundation. That lack of vetting seems pretty bad on the part of the GOP. It has nothing to do with his opponent, who I'm not a huge fan of either. It has to do with the system that allows parasitic scum like Trump to exist in the first place. You know I have met some cynical people in life. But it takes someone especially callous to think selling government influence and putting her own secrecy obsession above national security is not of interest. Add to that how long she got away with it, just like you were concerned with Trump's. Maybe what America needs is Trump to serve four years, and next time nominate a better opposing candidate that won't make Nixon look like Saint George. Hell, the journalism alone might be a boon to the next generation to see what speaking truth to power really looks like. Constantly amazes me how entrenched the party lines are in the US. You basically have a cartoon villain running for President. I think you guys should've stuck to the "literally Hitler" schtick. On September 30 2016 16:08 Grumbels wrote:On September 30 2016 11:54 WolfintheSheep wrote:On September 30 2016 11:46 biology]major wrote:
I find this fbi email scandal case fascinating. I really wonder if I would have gotten the same consequence as HRC if I did the same things she did. If I set up a private email server and had 2-3 classified documents out of thousands, basically told the FBI "I didn't know!!", was found to lie about it to the public. Oh and if my employee had made a reddit post asking for how to delete emails from my server and then tried to delete his posts after his username was found out.
Anyone honestly think comey would add in an intent element to the statute for me or you or anyone else? Lost a lot of faith in the FBI. Probably? You'd also have to be someone with access to classified documents in the first place. I imagine there's this bizarre fetishization of classified information, like the public imagines that a breach of that will get you shipped to a secret prison and you'll never see the light of day again. Reality is probably that tons of classified documents get mishandled, in small amounts, basically every day. Also, the reddit post wasn't about deleting emails, it was removing names and email addresses. One specific person's. Which the FBI either knew who it was (if it was Hillary), or could get easily by asking the dumb IT guy. The US gov routinely classifies virtually everything, often stuff that you can read in the newspapers but which the government is not yet ready to admit will be classified information. No surprise people inside the government don't take it seriously. Something like a million citizens have fairly wide access to classified information anyway, these things are all open secrets. Of course there are some stricter labels like top secret that to reveal carry real implications. On September 30 2016 13:28 Danglars wrote:On September 30 2016 11:21 Nevuk wrote:On September 30 2016 11:07 Danglars wrote:On September 30 2016 10:26 Nevuk wrote:
Frankly, it's kind of disgusting that the american system let's a man get away with all the shit Trump has pulled until a concerted effort is actually made to look into his business dealings for political reasons (no one would be investigating half the things that have come out recently if he weren't running for president). We learned about Clinton's private email server years later, despite at least two warnings from state department officials. Clinton foundation higher-ups had intimate connections with the state department such as hiring and firing, and major donors to the foundation got favors from the state department. I can only wonder how the Obama administration let that go on that long. Disgusting! No one would care about that at all if Clinton weren't in politics either. I'm saying that a man who treated tenants and business partners the way he has should be in jail, period. I don't care if he's in politics or not - his behavior is flat out unacceptable and it shouldn't have taken this long to find out about his absurdly shady foundation. That lack of vetting seems pretty bad on the part of the GOP. It has nothing to do with his opponent, who I'm not a huge fan of either. It has to do with the system that allows parasitic scum like Trump to exist in the first place. You know I have met some cynical people in life. But it takes someone especially callous to think selling government influence and putting her own secrecy obsession above national security is not of interest. Add to that how long she got away with it, just like you were concerned with Trump's. Maybe what America needs is Trump to serve four years, and next time nominate a better opposing candidate that won't make Nixon look like Saint George. Hell, the journalism alone might be a boon to the next generation to see what speaking truth to power really looks like. I think for my long term health I should really stop visiting this thread. Trump is evil, like someone else said, he is a cartoon villain. How literally delusional do you have to be to consider voting for him? He is an actual threat to world civilization. I bet you are exactly the type of person that would vote for Lex Luthor as president. Thanks for the laugh. I'm literally delusional to even consider voting for him. An actual threat to world civilization. Now put a Bible in your right hand and state that this election is between the forces of darkness and the forces of light. It used to be common fare to make fun of the religious right's figures, but now it's crossed over to the American left. And yes, between the two, Trump is the far better choice for America, however upset I am that those are final two choices. you still feel that way after the tweetstorm? Why would that change his opinion, Trump's done 1000x worse than those tweets before and people didn't abandon ship Compared to the rest of this thread, what you're doing is brilliant political analysis. On September 30 2016 23:21 Grumbels wrote:Show nested quote +On September 30 2016 23:17 Danglars wrote:On September 30 2016 13:34 WolfintheSheep wrote:On September 30 2016 13:28 Danglars wrote:On September 30 2016 11:21 Nevuk wrote:On September 30 2016 11:07 Danglars wrote:On September 30 2016 10:26 Nevuk wrote:
Frankly, it's kind of disgusting that the american system let's a man get away with all the shit Trump has pulled until a concerted effort is actually made to look into his business dealings for political reasons (no one would be investigating half the things that have come out recently if he weren't running for president). We learned about Clinton's private email server years later, despite at least two warnings from state department officials. Clinton foundation higher-ups had intimate connections with the state department such as hiring and firing, and major donors to the foundation got favors from the state department. I can only wonder how the Obama administration let that go on that long. Disgusting! No one would care about that at all if Clinton weren't in politics either. I'm saying that a man who treated tenants and business partners the way he has should be in jail, period. I don't care if he's in politics or not - his behavior is flat out unacceptable and it shouldn't have taken this long to find out about his absurdly shady foundation. That lack of vetting seems pretty bad on the part of the GOP. It has nothing to do with his opponent, who I'm not a huge fan of either. It has to do with the system that allows parasitic scum like Trump to exist in the first place. You know I have met some cynical people in life. But it takes someone especially callous to think selling government influence and putting her own secrecy obsession above national security is not of interest. Add to that how long she got away with it, just like you were concerned with Trump's. Maybe what America needs is Trump to serve four years, and next time nominate a better opposing candidate that won't make Nixon look like Saint George. Hell, the journalism alone might be a boon to the next generation to see what speaking truth to power really looks like. Constantly amazes me how entrenched the party lines are in the US. You basically have a cartoon villain running for President. I think you guys should've stuck to the "literally Hitler" schtick. On September 30 2016 16:08 Grumbels wrote:On September 30 2016 11:54 WolfintheSheep wrote:On September 30 2016 11:46 biology]major wrote:
I find this fbi email scandal case fascinating. I really wonder if I would have gotten the same consequence as HRC if I did the same things she did. If I set up a private email server and had 2-3 classified documents out of thousands, basically told the FBI "I didn't know!!", was found to lie about it to the public. Oh and if my employee had made a reddit post asking for how to delete emails from my server and then tried to delete his posts after his username was found out.
Anyone honestly think comey would add in an intent element to the statute for me or you or anyone else? Lost a lot of faith in the FBI. Probably? You'd also have to be someone with access to classified documents in the first place. I imagine there's this bizarre fetishization of classified information, like the public imagines that a breach of that will get you shipped to a secret prison and you'll never see the light of day again. Reality is probably that tons of classified documents get mishandled, in small amounts, basically every day. Also, the reddit post wasn't about deleting emails, it was removing names and email addresses. One specific person's. Which the FBI either knew who it was (if it was Hillary), or could get easily by asking the dumb IT guy. The US gov routinely classifies virtually everything, often stuff that you can read in the newspapers but which the government is not yet ready to admit will be classified information. No surprise people inside the government don't take it seriously. Something like a million citizens have fairly wide access to classified information anyway, these things are all open secrets. Of course there are some stricter labels like top secret that to reveal carry real implications. On September 30 2016 13:28 Danglars wrote:On September 30 2016 11:21 Nevuk wrote:On September 30 2016 11:07 Danglars wrote:On September 30 2016 10:26 Nevuk wrote:
Frankly, it's kind of disgusting that the american system let's a man get away with all the shit Trump has pulled until a concerted effort is actually made to look into his business dealings for political reasons (no one would be investigating half the things that have come out recently if he weren't running for president). We learned about Clinton's private email server years later, despite at least two warnings from state department officials. Clinton foundation higher-ups had intimate connections with the state department such as hiring and firing, and major donors to the foundation got favors from the state department. I can only wonder how the Obama administration let that go on that long. Disgusting! No one would care about that at all if Clinton weren't in politics either. I'm saying that a man who treated tenants and business partners the way he has should be in jail, period. I don't care if he's in politics or not - his behavior is flat out unacceptable and it shouldn't have taken this long to find out about his absurdly shady foundation. That lack of vetting seems pretty bad on the part of the GOP. It has nothing to do with his opponent, who I'm not a huge fan of either. It has to do with the system that allows parasitic scum like Trump to exist in the first place. You know I have met some cynical people in life. But it takes someone especially callous to think selling government influence and putting her own secrecy obsession above national security is not of interest. Add to that how long she got away with it, just like you were concerned with Trump's. Maybe what America needs is Trump to serve four years, and next time nominate a better opposing candidate that won't make Nixon look like Saint George. Hell, the journalism alone might be a boon to the next generation to see what speaking truth to power really looks like. I think for my long term health I should really stop visiting this thread. Trump is evil, like someone else said, he is a cartoon villain. How literally delusional do you have to be to consider voting for him? He is an actual threat to world civilization. I bet you are exactly the type of person that would vote for Lex Luthor as president. Thanks for the laugh. I'm literally delusional to even consider voting for him. An actual threat to world civilization. Now put a Bible in your right hand and state that this election is between the forces of darkness and the forces of light. It used to be common fare to make fun of the religious right's figures, but now it's crossed over to the American left. And yes, between the two, Trump is the far better choice for America, however upset I am that those are final two choices. Remind you of anyone? http://www.nytimes.com/2016/09/28/books/hitler-ascent-volker-ullrich.html Are you on some bet to go between Hitler and comic book villain in alternating posts? On September 30 2016 23:43 farvacola wrote:Show nested quote +On September 30 2016 23:40 Mohdoo wrote:On September 30 2016 23:35 Stratos_speAr wrote:
And xDaunt kept trying to tell us all summer about how Trump was actually a mastermind and was playing the Left like a fiddle this entire election... I think for a lot of people, the idea that someone who really is just a crazy, insecure loudmouthed shithead winning their primary is a really big deal. It really can't be rectified in their mindset that there aren't legitimate problems with the party. The idea that Trump is a mastermind was the only way the existing view of the party could be somewhat intact. I mean, it's a pretty devastating thing. People identify pretty strongly with their party. For certain communities, loyalty to the republican party is also often a family/community thing. People raised to be proud republicans, being told they are the heart of the country and all that stuff, may have a hard time coming to realize things are not nearly as they appeared. It forces someone to either significantly lower their view of their elder family members and community, or find another way to see the grass as green. My law school graduating class this year is full to the brim with Republicans who are very honest about how devastating Trump's nomination is to their sense of politics. Thus far, it seems like Introvert is the only poster on here who matches up with that perspective, though I may be forgetting some. In a sane world, there would be plenty of legitimate attacks on Trump's candidacy (such as those tweets like that late in the night) to devote enough time to arguing the future of the Republican party with respect to populist trade and entitlement programs. But today's American left will have to settle for thinking his critique directed at him is not devastating enough to meet their notice. "Today's left" is not alone as it ponders Trump's candidacy, and therein lies the error in your focus on the left/right dichotomy. I appreciate that you're able to toe the party line while many, Democrats and Republicans alike, assert that said line has practically disappeared via Trump's ascendency, but it is a mistake to assume that Democratic criticisms of Trump come at the expense of self-reflection. There are many Democrats, even those of the establishment variety, that are finally coming to terms with just how flimsy Clinton's candidacy has been, and being able to identify those parts of Trump's campaign (namely almost all of them) that are abjectly detestable doesn't really get in the way of that.
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On September 30 2016 23:55 Nevuk wrote:
I wonder if Johnson's most recent gaffe will actually hurt him in the polls. I've seen a lot of people who said they didn't mind the Aleppo thing claim that they were really bothered by his foreign leader answer.
Doubtful. Most that vote for Johnson either won't vote for Clinton/Trump in any event or are really buying into the Libertarian fantasy.
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a guy i know switched from johnson (even though he thinks he has the best foreign policy, kind of confusing) to clinton after can't-name-a-world-leader-gate.
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On September 30 2016 23:55 Nevuk wrote:
I wonder if Johnson's most recent gaffe will actually hurt him in the polls. I've seen a lot of people who said they didn't mind the Aleppo thing claim that they were really bothered by his foreign leader answer.
People desperate for a feeling of patting themselves on the back for being throwing their vote away are having a very hard time. What I enjoy most about the major gaffes by Stein and Johnson is the fact that so many edgy millennials had such a great time developing this conspiracy against 3rd parties, convinced they had great policies. "If only mainstream America could HEAR what Stein and Johnson had to say, it would be obvious how great they are for our country!", they would say. But thanks to the internet and social media, we've had no problem hearing what they have to say. We then proceeded to lean back in our chairs, let out a hearty laugh and go back to our business. These are not just "third" parties. These are deficient parties with uninformed, unrealistic, shitty platforms being perpetuated by deeply flawed candidates.
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