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On September 30 2016 21:19 Grumbels wrote:Show nested quote +On September 30 2016 21:08 Toadesstern wrote:On September 30 2016 17:48 Acrofales wrote:On September 30 2016 16:25 mahrgell wrote:
So Trump and Clinton were also asked about their favorite leader. Both went with Merkel.
Especially in the case of Trump this is surprising. Didn't he brand Clinton as "wanting to become the US Merkel"? And then rampaged over Merkels policies? In his favorite leader speech he mentioned his dissappointment about her refugee handling but otherwise only praised her.
And Hillarys answer:
He might have said Merkel, but we all know he meant Putin. obviously damage control after the debate. He basicly said that he used to like her but now detests her for turning Europe into a pile of garbage. The only reason he mentioned her is because he hopes there are some female voters out there that aren't aware of is stance on Merkel (which is very likely) and thus might go "oh see, he DOES respect some [not good looking] women as well! He's not that bad on women!. Although questionable if his hate for her is his true opinion either. Could just be something he says because it's fearmongering for the right to pump them up: look at what happened with Europe under Merkel But really hard to tell. Might as well just be "I'm going to say I like everyone and hate everyone to different people and when asked about it later I can just point to the thing that fits me that moment. Can't be wrong that way You are probably overestimating Trump because chances are he literally does not know any foreign leaders other than Putin, Nieto and Merkel, maybe Hollande and Cameron.
Cameron is out, although I'd believe that Trump doesn't know that.
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On September 30 2016 22:57 Mohdoo wrote:Here's the 3 AM twitter rant in a single image: ![[image loading]](https://i.imgur.com/7eYJxM2.png) I still kind of can't believe it.
He's just telling it like it is in barely comprehensible nonsense late night tweets that upon reflection don't make much sense and contradict the many times he's talked about "many people saying."
Plus, Alicia Machado doesn't actually have a sex tape.
Great quality for the a big league president!
It's like he's doing everything he can to make whataboutism the only possible way to defend him to make his supporters have the hardest job in the universe.
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On September 30 2016 22:57 KwarK wrote:Show nested quote +On September 30 2016 21:19 Grumbels wrote:On September 30 2016 21:08 Toadesstern wrote:On September 30 2016 17:48 Acrofales wrote:On September 30 2016 16:25 mahrgell wrote:So Trump and Clinton were also asked about their favorite leader. Both went with Merkel. Especially in the case of Trump this is surprising. Didn't he brand Clinton as "wanting to become the US Merkel"? And then rampaged over Merkels policies? In his favorite leader speech he mentioned his dissappointment about her refugee handling but otherwise only praised her. And Hillarys answer: https://twitter.com/ABCPolitics/status/781603896661712896 He might have said Merkel, but we all know he meant Putin. obviously damage control after the debate. He basicly said that he used to like her but now detests her for turning Europe into a pile of garbage. The only reason he mentioned her is because he hopes there are some female voters out there that aren't aware of is stance on Merkel (which is very likely) and thus might go "oh see, he DOES respect some [not good looking] women as well! He's not that bad on women!. Although questionable if his hate for her is his true opinion either. Could just be something he says because it's fearmongering for the right to pump them up: look at what happened with Europe under Merkel But really hard to tell. Might as well just be "I'm going to say I like everyone and hate everyone to different people and when asked about it later I can just point to the thing that fits me that moment. Can't be wrong that way You are probably overestimating Trump because chances are he literally does not know any foreign leaders other than Putin, Nieto and Merkel, maybe Hollande and Cameron. Cameron is out, although I'd believe that Trump doesn't know that.
le pen? she's a female!
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The best part is she never had a sex tape. Its a porn star that looks like her. Its on snopes if you want to check it out. I don't think a smaller more pathetic human has ever existed than Donny Trump.
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So am i getting this right? Trump has made that woman Miss universe and an object for men to drool at, then fatshamed her and now he attacks her as a disgusting woman that Cinton helped to get in US? Or is that someone else he tweeted about? Also he warns people that politicians or media may say thingswithout proof? Really?
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On September 30 2016 23:01 Broetchenholer wrote:
So am i getting this right? Trump has made that women Miss universe and an object for men to drool at, then fatshamed her and now he attacks her as a disgusting woman that Cinton helped to get in US? Or is that someone else he tweeted about? Also he warns people that politicians or media may say thingswithout proof? Really?
pretty much
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but double standard much?
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On September 30 2016 22:57 KwarK wrote:Show nested quote +On September 30 2016 21:19 Grumbels wrote:On September 30 2016 21:08 Toadesstern wrote:On September 30 2016 17:48 Acrofales wrote:On September 30 2016 16:25 mahrgell wrote:So Trump and Clinton were also asked about their favorite leader. Both went with Merkel. Especially in the case of Trump this is surprising. Didn't he brand Clinton as "wanting to become the US Merkel"? And then rampaged over Merkels policies? In his favorite leader speech he mentioned his dissappointment about her refugee handling but otherwise only praised her. And Hillarys answer: https://twitter.com/ABCPolitics/status/781603896661712896 He might have said Merkel, but we all know he meant Putin. obviously damage control after the debate. He basicly said that he used to like her but now detests her for turning Europe into a pile of garbage. The only reason he mentioned her is because he hopes there are some female voters out there that aren't aware of is stance on Merkel (which is very likely) and thus might go "oh see, he DOES respect some [not good looking] women as well! He's not that bad on women!. Although questionable if his hate for her is his true opinion either. Could just be something he says because it's fearmongering for the right to pump them up: look at what happened with Europe under Merkel But really hard to tell. Might as well just be "I'm going to say I like everyone and hate everyone to different people and when asked about it later I can just point to the thing that fits me that moment. Can't be wrong that way You are probably overestimating Trump because chances are he literally does not know any foreign leaders other than Putin, Nieto and Merkel, maybe Hollande and Cameron. Cameron is out, although I'd believe that Trump doesn't know that.
Ask him to name the leader of China: "Mao is dead, right?"
Trump is a bad learner and gets his information from Fox News and talk radio, he really can't be trusted to get even basic things right. One might as well ask a random Fox News viewer to become president and elucidate on world affairs.
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On September 30 2016 23:01 Broetchenholer wrote:
So am i getting this right? Trump has made that women Miss universe and an object for men to drool at, then fatshamed her and now he attacks her as a disgusting woman that Cinton helped to get in US? Or is that someone else he tweeted about? Also he warns people that politicians or media may say thingswithout proof? Really?
He had her work out at a press conference to prove she was trying to lose weigh. She just went to the gym to work out and Trump ambushed her with reporters so they could watch.
https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.yahoo.com/amphtml/news/trump-miss-universe-likes-to-eat-workout-video-182825626.html?client=safari
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Zurich15366 Posts
WTF was that recent twitter meltdown. Looks like the debatacle really got to Trump huh.
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lol why isn't this tweetstorm all over the news????
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On September 30 2016 13:34 WolfintheSheep wrote:Show nested quote +On September 30 2016 13:28 Danglars wrote:On September 30 2016 11:21 Nevuk wrote:On September 30 2016 11:07 Danglars wrote:On September 30 2016 10:26 Nevuk wrote:
Frankly, it's kind of disgusting that the american system let's a man get away with all the shit Trump has pulled until a concerted effort is actually made to look into his business dealings for political reasons (no one would be investigating half the things that have come out recently if he weren't running for president). We learned about Clinton's private email server years later, despite at least two warnings from state department officials. Clinton foundation higher-ups had intimate connections with the state department such as hiring and firing, and major donors to the foundation got favors from the state department. I can only wonder how the Obama administration let that go on that long. Disgusting! No one would care about that at all if Clinton weren't in politics either. I'm saying that a man who treated tenants and business partners the way he has should be in jail, period. I don't care if he's in politics or not - his behavior is flat out unacceptable and it shouldn't have taken this long to find out about his absurdly shady foundation. That lack of vetting seems pretty bad on the part of the GOP. It has nothing to do with his opponent, who I'm not a huge fan of either. It has to do with the system that allows parasitic scum like Trump to exist in the first place. You know I have met some cynical people in life. But it takes someone especially callous to think selling government influence and putting her own secrecy obsession above national security is not of interest. Add to that how long she got away with it, just like you were concerned with Trump's. Maybe what America needs is Trump to serve four years, and next time nominate a better opposing candidate that won't make Nixon look like Saint George. Hell, the journalism alone might be a boon to the next generation to see what speaking truth to power really looks like. Constantly amazes me how entrenched the party lines are in the US. You basically have a cartoon villain running for President.
I think you guys should've stuck to the "literally Hitler" schtick.
On September 30 2016 16:08 Grumbels wrote:Show nested quote +On September 30 2016 11:54 WolfintheSheep wrote:On September 30 2016 11:46 biology]major wrote:
I find this fbi email scandal case fascinating. I really wonder if I would have gotten the same consequence as HRC if I did the same things she did. If I set up a private email server and had 2-3 classified documents out of thousands, basically told the FBI "I didn't know!!", was found to lie about it to the public. Oh and if my employee had made a reddit post asking for how to delete emails from my server and then tried to delete his posts after his username was found out.
Anyone honestly think comey would add in an intent element to the statute for me or you or anyone else? Lost a lot of faith in the FBI. Probably? You'd also have to be someone with access to classified documents in the first place. I imagine there's this bizarre fetishization of classified information, like the public imagines that a breach of that will get you shipped to a secret prison and you'll never see the light of day again. Reality is probably that tons of classified documents get mishandled, in small amounts, basically every day. Also, the reddit post wasn't about deleting emails, it was removing names and email addresses. One specific person's. Which the FBI either knew who it was (if it was Hillary), or could get easily by asking the dumb IT guy. The US gov routinely classifies virtually everything, often stuff that you can read in the newspapers but which the government is not yet ready to admit will be classified information. No surprise people inside the government don't take it seriously. Something like a million citizens have fairly wide access to classified information anyway, these things are all open secrets. Of course there are some stricter labels like top secret that to reveal carry real implications. Show nested quote +On September 30 2016 13:28 Danglars wrote:On September 30 2016 11:21 Nevuk wrote:On September 30 2016 11:07 Danglars wrote:On September 30 2016 10:26 Nevuk wrote:
Frankly, it's kind of disgusting that the american system let's a man get away with all the shit Trump has pulled until a concerted effort is actually made to look into his business dealings for political reasons (no one would be investigating half the things that have come out recently if he weren't running for president). We learned about Clinton's private email server years later, despite at least two warnings from state department officials. Clinton foundation higher-ups had intimate connections with the state department such as hiring and firing, and major donors to the foundation got favors from the state department. I can only wonder how the Obama administration let that go on that long. Disgusting! No one would care about that at all if Clinton weren't in politics either. I'm saying that a man who treated tenants and business partners the way he has should be in jail, period. I don't care if he's in politics or not - his behavior is flat out unacceptable and it shouldn't have taken this long to find out about his absurdly shady foundation. That lack of vetting seems pretty bad on the part of the GOP. It has nothing to do with his opponent, who I'm not a huge fan of either. It has to do with the system that allows parasitic scum like Trump to exist in the first place. You know I have met some cynical people in life. But it takes someone especially callous to think selling government influence and putting her own secrecy obsession above national security is not of interest. Add to that how long she got away with it, just like you were concerned with Trump's. Maybe what America needs is Trump to serve four years, and next time nominate a better opposing candidate that won't make Nixon look like Saint George. Hell, the journalism alone might be a boon to the next generation to see what speaking truth to power really looks like. I think for my long term health I should really stop visiting this thread. Trump is evil, like someone else said, he is a cartoon villain. How literally delusional do you have to be to consider voting for him? He is an actual threat to world civilization. I bet you are exactly the type of person that would vote for Lex Luthor as president.
Thanks for the laugh. I'm literally delusional to even consider voting for him. An actual threat to world civilization.
Now put a Bible in your right hand and state that this election is between the forces of darkness and the forces of light. It used to be common fare to make fun of the religious right's figures, but now it's crossed over to the American left.
And yes, between the two, Trump is the far better choice for America, however upset I am that those are final two choices.
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On September 30 2016 23:17 Danglars wrote:Show nested quote +On September 30 2016 13:34 WolfintheSheep wrote:On September 30 2016 13:28 Danglars wrote:On September 30 2016 11:21 Nevuk wrote:On September 30 2016 11:07 Danglars wrote:On September 30 2016 10:26 Nevuk wrote:
Frankly, it's kind of disgusting that the american system let's a man get away with all the shit Trump has pulled until a concerted effort is actually made to look into his business dealings for political reasons (no one would be investigating half the things that have come out recently if he weren't running for president). We learned about Clinton's private email server years later, despite at least two warnings from state department officials. Clinton foundation higher-ups had intimate connections with the state department such as hiring and firing, and major donors to the foundation got favors from the state department. I can only wonder how the Obama administration let that go on that long. Disgusting! No one would care about that at all if Clinton weren't in politics either. I'm saying that a man who treated tenants and business partners the way he has should be in jail, period. I don't care if he's in politics or not - his behavior is flat out unacceptable and it shouldn't have taken this long to find out about his absurdly shady foundation. That lack of vetting seems pretty bad on the part of the GOP. It has nothing to do with his opponent, who I'm not a huge fan of either. It has to do with the system that allows parasitic scum like Trump to exist in the first place. You know I have met some cynical people in life. But it takes someone especially callous to think selling government influence and putting her own secrecy obsession above national security is not of interest. Add to that how long she got away with it, just like you were concerned with Trump's. Maybe what America needs is Trump to serve four years, and next time nominate a better opposing candidate that won't make Nixon look like Saint George. Hell, the journalism alone might be a boon to the next generation to see what speaking truth to power really looks like. Constantly amazes me how entrenched the party lines are in the US. You basically have a cartoon villain running for President. I think you guys should've stuck to the "literally Hitler" schtick. Show nested quote +On September 30 2016 16:08 Grumbels wrote:On September 30 2016 11:54 WolfintheSheep wrote:On September 30 2016 11:46 biology]major wrote:
I find this fbi email scandal case fascinating. I really wonder if I would have gotten the same consequence as HRC if I did the same things she did. If I set up a private email server and had 2-3 classified documents out of thousands, basically told the FBI "I didn't know!!", was found to lie about it to the public. Oh and if my employee had made a reddit post asking for how to delete emails from my server and then tried to delete his posts after his username was found out.
Anyone honestly think comey would add in an intent element to the statute for me or you or anyone else? Lost a lot of faith in the FBI. Probably? You'd also have to be someone with access to classified documents in the first place. I imagine there's this bizarre fetishization of classified information, like the public imagines that a breach of that will get you shipped to a secret prison and you'll never see the light of day again. Reality is probably that tons of classified documents get mishandled, in small amounts, basically every day. Also, the reddit post wasn't about deleting emails, it was removing names and email addresses. One specific person's. Which the FBI either knew who it was (if it was Hillary), or could get easily by asking the dumb IT guy. The US gov routinely classifies virtually everything, often stuff that you can read in the newspapers but which the government is not yet ready to admit will be classified information. No surprise people inside the government don't take it seriously. Something like a million citizens have fairly wide access to classified information anyway, these things are all open secrets. Of course there are some stricter labels like top secret that to reveal carry real implications. On September 30 2016 13:28 Danglars wrote:On September 30 2016 11:21 Nevuk wrote:On September 30 2016 11:07 Danglars wrote:On September 30 2016 10:26 Nevuk wrote:
Frankly, it's kind of disgusting that the american system let's a man get away with all the shit Trump has pulled until a concerted effort is actually made to look into his business dealings for political reasons (no one would be investigating half the things that have come out recently if he weren't running for president). We learned about Clinton's private email server years later, despite at least two warnings from state department officials. Clinton foundation higher-ups had intimate connections with the state department such as hiring and firing, and major donors to the foundation got favors from the state department. I can only wonder how the Obama administration let that go on that long. Disgusting! No one would care about that at all if Clinton weren't in politics either. I'm saying that a man who treated tenants and business partners the way he has should be in jail, period. I don't care if he's in politics or not - his behavior is flat out unacceptable and it shouldn't have taken this long to find out about his absurdly shady foundation. That lack of vetting seems pretty bad on the part of the GOP. It has nothing to do with his opponent, who I'm not a huge fan of either. It has to do with the system that allows parasitic scum like Trump to exist in the first place. You know I have met some cynical people in life. But it takes someone especially callous to think selling government influence and putting her own secrecy obsession above national security is not of interest. Add to that how long she got away with it, just like you were concerned with Trump's. Maybe what America needs is Trump to serve four years, and next time nominate a better opposing candidate that won't make Nixon look like Saint George. Hell, the journalism alone might be a boon to the next generation to see what speaking truth to power really looks like. I think for my long term health I should really stop visiting this thread. Trump is evil, like someone else said, he is a cartoon villain. How literally delusional do you have to be to consider voting for him? He is an actual threat to world civilization. I bet you are exactly the type of person that would vote for Lex Luthor as president. Thanks for the laugh. I'm literally delusional to even consider voting for him. An actual threat to world civilization. Now put a Bible in your right hand and state that this election is between the forces of darkness and the forces of light. It used to be common fare to make fun of the religious right's figures, but now it's crossed over to the American left. And yes, between the two, Trump is the far better choice for America, however upset I am that those are final two choices.
you still feel that way after the tweetstorm?
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On September 30 2016 18:29 {CC}StealthBlue wrote:
Can't make this shit up...
The GOP deserves to lose seats in House and Senate for pulling this kind of stuff. If you want to make a point that Obama wouldn't discuss what bill he would support, overriding the veto to bring him back to the table is the absolute wrong way.
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danglars, your points would've been stronger if you didn't add the final paragraph (in your post 3 posts up, the long one)
bah, ninja'd
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On September 30 2016 23:20 ticklishmusic wrote:Show nested quote +On September 30 2016 23:17 Danglars wrote:On September 30 2016 13:34 WolfintheSheep wrote:On September 30 2016 13:28 Danglars wrote:On September 30 2016 11:21 Nevuk wrote:On September 30 2016 11:07 Danglars wrote:On September 30 2016 10:26 Nevuk wrote:
Frankly, it's kind of disgusting that the american system let's a man get away with all the shit Trump has pulled until a concerted effort is actually made to look into his business dealings for political reasons (no one would be investigating half the things that have come out recently if he weren't running for president). We learned about Clinton's private email server years later, despite at least two warnings from state department officials. Clinton foundation higher-ups had intimate connections with the state department such as hiring and firing, and major donors to the foundation got favors from the state department. I can only wonder how the Obama administration let that go on that long. Disgusting! No one would care about that at all if Clinton weren't in politics either. I'm saying that a man who treated tenants and business partners the way he has should be in jail, period. I don't care if he's in politics or not - his behavior is flat out unacceptable and it shouldn't have taken this long to find out about his absurdly shady foundation. That lack of vetting seems pretty bad on the part of the GOP. It has nothing to do with his opponent, who I'm not a huge fan of either. It has to do with the system that allows parasitic scum like Trump to exist in the first place. You know I have met some cynical people in life. But it takes someone especially callous to think selling government influence and putting her own secrecy obsession above national security is not of interest. Add to that how long she got away with it, just like you were concerned with Trump's. Maybe what America needs is Trump to serve four years, and next time nominate a better opposing candidate that won't make Nixon look like Saint George. Hell, the journalism alone might be a boon to the next generation to see what speaking truth to power really looks like. Constantly amazes me how entrenched the party lines are in the US. You basically have a cartoon villain running for President. I think you guys should've stuck to the "literally Hitler" schtick. On September 30 2016 16:08 Grumbels wrote:On September 30 2016 11:54 WolfintheSheep wrote:On September 30 2016 11:46 biology]major wrote:
I find this fbi email scandal case fascinating. I really wonder if I would have gotten the same consequence as HRC if I did the same things she did. If I set up a private email server and had 2-3 classified documents out of thousands, basically told the FBI "I didn't know!!", was found to lie about it to the public. Oh and if my employee had made a reddit post asking for how to delete emails from my server and then tried to delete his posts after his username was found out.
Anyone honestly think comey would add in an intent element to the statute for me or you or anyone else? Lost a lot of faith in the FBI. Probably? You'd also have to be someone with access to classified documents in the first place. I imagine there's this bizarre fetishization of classified information, like the public imagines that a breach of that will get you shipped to a secret prison and you'll never see the light of day again. Reality is probably that tons of classified documents get mishandled, in small amounts, basically every day. Also, the reddit post wasn't about deleting emails, it was removing names and email addresses. One specific person's. Which the FBI either knew who it was (if it was Hillary), or could get easily by asking the dumb IT guy. The US gov routinely classifies virtually everything, often stuff that you can read in the newspapers but which the government is not yet ready to admit will be classified information. No surprise people inside the government don't take it seriously. Something like a million citizens have fairly wide access to classified information anyway, these things are all open secrets. Of course there are some stricter labels like top secret that to reveal carry real implications. On September 30 2016 13:28 Danglars wrote:On September 30 2016 11:21 Nevuk wrote:On September 30 2016 11:07 Danglars wrote:On September 30 2016 10:26 Nevuk wrote:
Frankly, it's kind of disgusting that the american system let's a man get away with all the shit Trump has pulled until a concerted effort is actually made to look into his business dealings for political reasons (no one would be investigating half the things that have come out recently if he weren't running for president). We learned about Clinton's private email server years later, despite at least two warnings from state department officials. Clinton foundation higher-ups had intimate connections with the state department such as hiring and firing, and major donors to the foundation got favors from the state department. I can only wonder how the Obama administration let that go on that long. Disgusting! No one would care about that at all if Clinton weren't in politics either. I'm saying that a man who treated tenants and business partners the way he has should be in jail, period. I don't care if he's in politics or not - his behavior is flat out unacceptable and it shouldn't have taken this long to find out about his absurdly shady foundation. That lack of vetting seems pretty bad on the part of the GOP. It has nothing to do with his opponent, who I'm not a huge fan of either. It has to do with the system that allows parasitic scum like Trump to exist in the first place. You know I have met some cynical people in life. But it takes someone especially callous to think selling government influence and putting her own secrecy obsession above national security is not of interest. Add to that how long she got away with it, just like you were concerned with Trump's. Maybe what America needs is Trump to serve four years, and next time nominate a better opposing candidate that won't make Nixon look like Saint George. Hell, the journalism alone might be a boon to the next generation to see what speaking truth to power really looks like. I think for my long term health I should really stop visiting this thread. Trump is evil, like someone else said, he is a cartoon villain. How literally delusional do you have to be to consider voting for him? He is an actual threat to world civilization. I bet you are exactly the type of person that would vote for Lex Luthor as president. Thanks for the laugh. I'm literally delusional to even consider voting for him. An actual threat to world civilization. Now put a Bible in your right hand and state that this election is between the forces of darkness and the forces of light. It used to be common fare to make fun of the religious right's figures, but now it's crossed over to the American left. And yes, between the two, Trump is the far better choice for America, however upset I am that those are final two choices. you still feel that way after the tweetstorm?
Why would that change his opinion, Trump's done 1000x worse than those tweets before and people didn't abandon ship
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On September 30 2016 23:17 Danglars wrote:Show nested quote +On September 30 2016 13:34 WolfintheSheep wrote:On September 30 2016 13:28 Danglars wrote:On September 30 2016 11:21 Nevuk wrote:On September 30 2016 11:07 Danglars wrote:On September 30 2016 10:26 Nevuk wrote:
Frankly, it's kind of disgusting that the american system let's a man get away with all the shit Trump has pulled until a concerted effort is actually made to look into his business dealings for political reasons (no one would be investigating half the things that have come out recently if he weren't running for president). We learned about Clinton's private email server years later, despite at least two warnings from state department officials. Clinton foundation higher-ups had intimate connections with the state department such as hiring and firing, and major donors to the foundation got favors from the state department. I can only wonder how the Obama administration let that go on that long. Disgusting! No one would care about that at all if Clinton weren't in politics either. I'm saying that a man who treated tenants and business partners the way he has should be in jail, period. I don't care if he's in politics or not - his behavior is flat out unacceptable and it shouldn't have taken this long to find out about his absurdly shady foundation. That lack of vetting seems pretty bad on the part of the GOP. It has nothing to do with his opponent, who I'm not a huge fan of either. It has to do with the system that allows parasitic scum like Trump to exist in the first place. You know I have met some cynical people in life. But it takes someone especially callous to think selling government influence and putting her own secrecy obsession above national security is not of interest. Add to that how long she got away with it, just like you were concerned with Trump's. Maybe what America needs is Trump to serve four years, and next time nominate a better opposing candidate that won't make Nixon look like Saint George. Hell, the journalism alone might be a boon to the next generation to see what speaking truth to power really looks like. Constantly amazes me how entrenched the party lines are in the US. You basically have a cartoon villain running for President. I think you guys should've stuck to the "literally Hitler" schtick. Show nested quote +On September 30 2016 16:08 Grumbels wrote:On September 30 2016 11:54 WolfintheSheep wrote:On September 30 2016 11:46 biology]major wrote:
I find this fbi email scandal case fascinating. I really wonder if I would have gotten the same consequence as HRC if I did the same things she did. If I set up a private email server and had 2-3 classified documents out of thousands, basically told the FBI "I didn't know!!", was found to lie about it to the public. Oh and if my employee had made a reddit post asking for how to delete emails from my server and then tried to delete his posts after his username was found out.
Anyone honestly think comey would add in an intent element to the statute for me or you or anyone else? Lost a lot of faith in the FBI. Probably? You'd also have to be someone with access to classified documents in the first place. I imagine there's this bizarre fetishization of classified information, like the public imagines that a breach of that will get you shipped to a secret prison and you'll never see the light of day again. Reality is probably that tons of classified documents get mishandled, in small amounts, basically every day. Also, the reddit post wasn't about deleting emails, it was removing names and email addresses. One specific person's. Which the FBI either knew who it was (if it was Hillary), or could get easily by asking the dumb IT guy. The US gov routinely classifies virtually everything, often stuff that you can read in the newspapers but which the government is not yet ready to admit will be classified information. No surprise people inside the government don't take it seriously. Something like a million citizens have fairly wide access to classified information anyway, these things are all open secrets. Of course there are some stricter labels like top secret that to reveal carry real implications. On September 30 2016 13:28 Danglars wrote:On September 30 2016 11:21 Nevuk wrote:On September 30 2016 11:07 Danglars wrote:On September 30 2016 10:26 Nevuk wrote:
Frankly, it's kind of disgusting that the american system let's a man get away with all the shit Trump has pulled until a concerted effort is actually made to look into his business dealings for political reasons (no one would be investigating half the things that have come out recently if he weren't running for president). We learned about Clinton's private email server years later, despite at least two warnings from state department officials. Clinton foundation higher-ups had intimate connections with the state department such as hiring and firing, and major donors to the foundation got favors from the state department. I can only wonder how the Obama administration let that go on that long. Disgusting! No one would care about that at all if Clinton weren't in politics either. I'm saying that a man who treated tenants and business partners the way he has should be in jail, period. I don't care if he's in politics or not - his behavior is flat out unacceptable and it shouldn't have taken this long to find out about his absurdly shady foundation. That lack of vetting seems pretty bad on the part of the GOP. It has nothing to do with his opponent, who I'm not a huge fan of either. It has to do with the system that allows parasitic scum like Trump to exist in the first place. You know I have met some cynical people in life. But it takes someone especially callous to think selling government influence and putting her own secrecy obsession above national security is not of interest. Add to that how long she got away with it, just like you were concerned with Trump's. Maybe what America needs is Trump to serve four years, and next time nominate a better opposing candidate that won't make Nixon look like Saint George. Hell, the journalism alone might be a boon to the next generation to see what speaking truth to power really looks like. I think for my long term health I should really stop visiting this thread. Trump is evil, like someone else said, he is a cartoon villain. How literally delusional do you have to be to consider voting for him? He is an actual threat to world civilization. I bet you are exactly the type of person that would vote for Lex Luthor as president. Thanks for the laugh. I'm literally delusional to even consider voting for him. An actual threat to world civilization. Now put a Bible in your right hand and state that this election is between the forces of darkness and the forces of light. It used to be common fare to make fun of the religious right's figures, but now it's crossed over to the American left. And yes, between the two, Trump is the far better choice for America, however upset I am that those are final two choices.
Remind you of anyone?
http://www.nytimes.com/2016/09/28/books/hitler-ascent-volker-ullrich.html
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In Danglars' reality, no one made fun of Dukakis and McGovern like they did Falwell and Robertson. Interesting.
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On September 30 2016 23:17 Danglars wrote:Show nested quote +On September 30 2016 13:34 WolfintheSheep wrote:On September 30 2016 13:28 Danglars wrote:On September 30 2016 11:21 Nevuk wrote:On September 30 2016 11:07 Danglars wrote:On September 30 2016 10:26 Nevuk wrote:
Frankly, it's kind of disgusting that the american system let's a man get away with all the shit Trump has pulled until a concerted effort is actually made to look into his business dealings for political reasons (no one would be investigating half the things that have come out recently if he weren't running for president). We learned about Clinton's private email server years later, despite at least two warnings from state department officials. Clinton foundation higher-ups had intimate connections with the state department such as hiring and firing, and major donors to the foundation got favors from the state department. I can only wonder how the Obama administration let that go on that long. Disgusting! No one would care about that at all if Clinton weren't in politics either. I'm saying that a man who treated tenants and business partners the way he has should be in jail, period. I don't care if he's in politics or not - his behavior is flat out unacceptable and it shouldn't have taken this long to find out about his absurdly shady foundation. That lack of vetting seems pretty bad on the part of the GOP. It has nothing to do with his opponent, who I'm not a huge fan of either. It has to do with the system that allows parasitic scum like Trump to exist in the first place. You know I have met some cynical people in life. But it takes someone especially callous to think selling government influence and putting her own secrecy obsession above national security is not of interest. Add to that how long she got away with it, just like you were concerned with Trump's. Maybe what America needs is Trump to serve four years, and next time nominate a better opposing candidate that won't make Nixon look like Saint George. Hell, the journalism alone might be a boon to the next generation to see what speaking truth to power really looks like. Constantly amazes me how entrenched the party lines are in the US. You basically have a cartoon villain running for President. I think you guys should've stuck to the "literally Hitler" schtick. Show nested quote +On September 30 2016 16:08 Grumbels wrote:On September 30 2016 11:54 WolfintheSheep wrote:On September 30 2016 11:46 biology]major wrote:
I find this fbi email scandal case fascinating. I really wonder if I would have gotten the same consequence as HRC if I did the same things she did. If I set up a private email server and had 2-3 classified documents out of thousands, basically told the FBI "I didn't know!!", was found to lie about it to the public. Oh and if my employee had made a reddit post asking for how to delete emails from my server and then tried to delete his posts after his username was found out.
Anyone honestly think comey would add in an intent element to the statute for me or you or anyone else? Lost a lot of faith in the FBI. Probably? You'd also have to be someone with access to classified documents in the first place. I imagine there's this bizarre fetishization of classified information, like the public imagines that a breach of that will get you shipped to a secret prison and you'll never see the light of day again. Reality is probably that tons of classified documents get mishandled, in small amounts, basically every day. Also, the reddit post wasn't about deleting emails, it was removing names and email addresses. One specific person's. Which the FBI either knew who it was (if it was Hillary), or could get easily by asking the dumb IT guy. The US gov routinely classifies virtually everything, often stuff that you can read in the newspapers but which the government is not yet ready to admit will be classified information. No surprise people inside the government don't take it seriously. Something like a million citizens have fairly wide access to classified information anyway, these things are all open secrets. Of course there are some stricter labels like top secret that to reveal carry real implications. On September 30 2016 13:28 Danglars wrote:On September 30 2016 11:21 Nevuk wrote:On September 30 2016 11:07 Danglars wrote:On September 30 2016 10:26 Nevuk wrote:
Frankly, it's kind of disgusting that the american system let's a man get away with all the shit Trump has pulled until a concerted effort is actually made to look into his business dealings for political reasons (no one would be investigating half the things that have come out recently if he weren't running for president). We learned about Clinton's private email server years later, despite at least two warnings from state department officials. Clinton foundation higher-ups had intimate connections with the state department such as hiring and firing, and major donors to the foundation got favors from the state department. I can only wonder how the Obama administration let that go on that long. Disgusting! No one would care about that at all if Clinton weren't in politics either. I'm saying that a man who treated tenants and business partners the way he has should be in jail, period. I don't care if he's in politics or not - his behavior is flat out unacceptable and it shouldn't have taken this long to find out about his absurdly shady foundation. That lack of vetting seems pretty bad on the part of the GOP. It has nothing to do with his opponent, who I'm not a huge fan of either. It has to do with the system that allows parasitic scum like Trump to exist in the first place. You know I have met some cynical people in life. But it takes someone especially callous to think selling government influence and putting her own secrecy obsession above national security is not of interest. Add to that how long she got away with it, just like you were concerned with Trump's. Maybe what America needs is Trump to serve four years, and next time nominate a better opposing candidate that won't make Nixon look like Saint George. Hell, the journalism alone might be a boon to the next generation to see what speaking truth to power really looks like. I think for my long term health I should really stop visiting this thread. Trump is evil, like someone else said, he is a cartoon villain. How literally delusional do you have to be to consider voting for him? He is an actual threat to world civilization. I bet you are exactly the type of person that would vote for Lex Luthor as president. Thanks for the laugh. I'm literally delusional to even consider voting for him. An actual threat to world civilization. Now put a Bible in your right hand and state that this election is between the forces of darkness and the forces of light. It used to be common fare to make fun of the religious right's figures, but now it's crossed over to the American left. And yes, between the two, Trump is the far better choice for America, however upset I am that those are final two choices.
Mr Trump, what is your priority within the nuclear triad, the b52s, the missiles or the submarines?
Nuclear changes the whole ball game. The biggest problem we have today is nuclear proliferation anding are some maniac, having some madman go out and get a nuclear weapon. In my opinion, that is the single biggest problem that our country faces right now.
Of the three legs of the triad though, do you have a priority?
For me, nuclear, the power, the devastation, is very important to me.
Your choice for commander in chief.
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