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Where does the May thing come from? And Washington Times is a bigger pile of trash than Info Wars. I see no reason in that article to think that they picked this up from any different source than that Tyler Durden (lol) fellow at Zero Hedge
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Federal sources confirmed to a local NBC affiliate on Wednesday that he is not a U.S. citizen and is legally prohibited from voting.
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On September 30 2016 10:16 Nevuk wrote:
Scott Adams is somehow still insisting that Trump won the first debate on a "3d" level and that he seemed "presidential enough". I think during the primaries he had some interesting insights, but at this point he's clearly deluding himself if he thought an undecided voter saw Trump's debate and thought "presidential".
Really, even during the primaries Adam's arguments were only better for understanding why some of Trump's tactics were working. He never made a convincing argument that Trump was doing it intentionally, imo - it was always predicated on this strange notion that Trump was merely "acting" like a clown strategically and could pivot whenever he wanted.
It also sort of ties together in a weird way, I think Adams is underestimating just how poorly Trump came across to women - apparently the "ms piggy" thing really, really bothers them. It's no surprise that he somehow misses this- in some of his earliest Trump posts Adams says that he understands Trump because they're both "white men from upstate NY." He's a very good source for analyzing why Trump can effectively communicate with his base of white men, but tends to be blind to other groups' issues. I'd probably argue that he has probably hypnotized himself with how frequently he has argued that Trump will win, and is now conforming all evidence to fit that world view.
Trump is trailing 30% when it comes to the white women vote. Romney actually won that demographic against Obama. This is really crazy. The healthcare threat that the GOP is for women isn't talked about enough anyway.
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On September 30 2016 10:26 Nevuk wrote:
Frankly, it's kind of disgusting that the american system let's a man get away with all the shit Trump has pulled until a concerted effort is actually made to look into his business dealings for political reasons (no one would be investigating half the things that have come out recently if he weren't running for president).
Because very few in DC are actually against what he's doing, they are just against him and he's unusually sloppy and greedy even for that group.
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On September 30 2016 10:45 WolfintheSheep wrote:"More recent" Show nested quote +Federal sources confirmed to a local NBC affiliate on Wednesday that he is not a U.S. citizen and is legally prohibited from voting.
And by NBC affiliate they are no doubt referring to King 5 which seem to be both the initiators of this rumour and the ones that quashed it after they learned that the information was wrong
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Since their launch in 2012, cellphone emergency alerts have become a frequent tool for public safety officials to alert people to missing children, warn them of impending weather calamities or notify them of dangers specific to the local community.
But the alerts have also been criticized for their shortcomings — restricted to only 90 characters of plain text, they can't carry images and have a hit-or-miss record of landing on the phones of exactly the people meant to receive the messages. The flaws were recently showcased by the alert in New York City that raised concerns about racial profiling as it solicited help in the search of a bombing suspect by sharing his name and age but then sending people to "media" for a photo.
The Federal Communications Commission has now voted to quadruple the maximum length of the alert to 360 characters and begin including clickable hyperlinks and phone numbers in the alerts, including Amber alerts. The phone carriers will be allowed to include the URLs and numbers within about a month and required to do so in about a year.
The rules for now still won't allow for photos to be directly included in the messages, but the FCC is reviewing the possibility for the future. The order approved on Thursday does, however, push for alerts to be delivered more precisely to specific areas and requires support of alerts in Spanish as well as English.
The reason the change isn't as easy as, say, texting an image to a friend is that it's a different kind of process. Phone carriers pick up the alerts initiated by local, state or national authorities through a special computer network facilitated by the Federal Emergency Management Agency. The alerts then go out on a separate slice of airwaves than regular calls or texts — to ensure their delivery but also not to overwhelm the networks.
The phone companies, which highlight that they've participated in the program voluntarily, have warned that given the lack of existing standards for the new features, the interactive elements may create more confusion (for instance for older phones that don't recognize links), overwhelm responders' websites and cause network congestion. The carriers had argued for more time to prepare for more multimedia in alerts.
The FCC's order also creates a new class of emergency alerts. Previously, there were three: (1) imminent threat (for example, severe weather or another emergency); (2) Amber alerts (for abducted children); (3) presidential messages during a national emergency (this has never been used).
The new addition will be a public safety message, defined by FCC officials as "essential public safety advisories that prescribe one or more actions likely to save lives or safeguard property." These would be, for instance, notices of emergency shelter locations or orders to boil water before consumption.
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On September 30 2016 10:48 GreenHorizons wrote:Show nested quote +On September 30 2016 10:26 Nevuk wrote:
Frankly, it's kind of disgusting that the american system let's a man get away with all the shit Trump has pulled until a concerted effort is actually made to look into his business dealings for political reasons (no one would be investigating half the things that have come out recently if he weren't running for president). Because very few in DC are actually against what he's doing, they are just against him and he's unusually sloppy and greedy even for that group.
Good thing the Republicans have an anti-establishment candidate who will change up the system then, right?
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On September 30 2016 10:54 WolfintheSheep wrote:Show nested quote +On September 30 2016 10:48 GreenHorizons wrote:On September 30 2016 10:26 Nevuk wrote:
Frankly, it's kind of disgusting that the american system let's a man get away with all the shit Trump has pulled until a concerted effort is actually made to look into his business dealings for political reasons (no one would be investigating half the things that have come out recently if he weren't running for president). Because very few in DC are actually against what he's doing, they are just against him and he's unusually sloppy and greedy even for that group. Good thing the Republicans have an anti-establishment candidate who will change up the system then, right?
Well one thing Trump has been good at is calling attention to things people weren't focused on (albeit in crude and idiotic ways often).
Perhaps Trump running the office as blatantly as he's admitted bribing politicians and avoiding taxes is just the reality check this country needs.
It's a lot easier to eat chicken nuggets when you don't have to be viscerally reminded of what it takes for you to be able to get 10 for $1.49 at BK.
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On September 30 2016 11:01 GreenHorizons wrote:Show nested quote +On September 30 2016 10:54 WolfintheSheep wrote:On September 30 2016 10:48 GreenHorizons wrote:On September 30 2016 10:26 Nevuk wrote:
Frankly, it's kind of disgusting that the american system let's a man get away with all the shit Trump has pulled until a concerted effort is actually made to look into his business dealings for political reasons (no one would be investigating half the things that have come out recently if he weren't running for president). Because very few in DC are actually against what he's doing, they are just against him and he's unusually sloppy and greedy even for that group. Good thing the Republicans have an anti-establishment candidate who will change up the system then, right? Well one thing Trump has been good at is calling attention to things people weren't focused on (albeit in crude and idiotic ways often).
I keep seeing this type of comment but I'm not sure what you guys are referring to. What issues that haven't been in the spotlight for years is he calling attention to?
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On September 30 2016 10:26 Nevuk wrote:
Frankly, it's kind of disgusting that the american system let's a man get away with all the shit Trump has pulled until a concerted effort is actually made to look into his business dealings for political reasons (no one would be investigating half the things that have come out recently if he weren't running for president).
We learned about Clinton's private email server years later, despite at least two warnings from state department officials. Clinton foundation higher-ups had intimate connections with the state department such as hiring and firing, and major donors to the foundation got favors from the state department. I can only wonder how the Obama administration let that go on that long. Disgusting!
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On September 30 2016 11:07 Danglars wrote:Show nested quote +On September 30 2016 10:26 Nevuk wrote:
Frankly, it's kind of disgusting that the american system let's a man get away with all the shit Trump has pulled until a concerted effort is actually made to look into his business dealings for political reasons (no one would be investigating half the things that have come out recently if he weren't running for president). We learned about Clinton's private email server years later, despite at least two warnings from state department officials. Clinton foundation higher-ups had intimate connections with the state department such as hiring and firing, and major donors to the foundation got favors from the state department. I can only wonder how the Obama administration let that go on that long. Disgusting!
Whataboutism at its finest.
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On September 30 2016 11:05 Dan HH wrote:Show nested quote +On September 30 2016 11:01 GreenHorizons wrote:On September 30 2016 10:54 WolfintheSheep wrote:On September 30 2016 10:48 GreenHorizons wrote:On September 30 2016 10:26 Nevuk wrote:
Frankly, it's kind of disgusting that the american system let's a man get away with all the shit Trump has pulled until a concerted effort is actually made to look into his business dealings for political reasons (no one would be investigating half the things that have come out recently if he weren't running for president). Because very few in DC are actually against what he's doing, they are just against him and he's unusually sloppy and greedy even for that group. Good thing the Republicans have an anti-establishment candidate who will change up the system then, right? Well one thing Trump has been good at is calling attention to things people weren't focused on (albeit in crude and idiotic ways often). I keep seeing this type of comment but I'm not sure what you guys are referring to. What issues that haven't been in the spotlight for years is he calling attention to?
I probably mean something pretty different when I say it. I'm referring to things like privilege, the meritocracy myth, racism on the left as well as the right, or as I was referencing there, the wholly corrupted nature of our political and economic systems.
That's not to say these topics weren't around or that Trump alone brought them to the forefront but Trump's Trumpyness has shined a significant light onto some of these issues for a lot of people who hadn't seriously considered them.
Right now I'm watching on MSNBC as he says Conway is admitting to a federal crime committed by the presidential candidate and not a soul thinks he'll withdraw from the race even if it was 100% true. The kicker is a presidential candidate having committed a federal crime isn't even that absurd to imagine, the absurd part is just his flagrance. It's not "How dare he violate federal law" it's "how dare he be so flagrant sharing the ways we usually violate the law"
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On September 30 2016 11:07 Danglars wrote:Show nested quote +On September 30 2016 10:26 Nevuk wrote:
Frankly, it's kind of disgusting that the american system let's a man get away with all the shit Trump has pulled until a concerted effort is actually made to look into his business dealings for political reasons (no one would be investigating half the things that have come out recently if he weren't running for president). We learned about Clinton's private email server years later, despite at least two warnings from state department officials. Clinton foundation higher-ups had intimate connections with the state department such as hiring and firing, and major donors to the foundation got favors from the state department. I can only wonder how the Obama administration let that go on that long. Disgusting!
No one would care about that at all if Clinton weren't in politics either. I'm saying that a man who treated tenants and business partners the way he has should be in jail, period. I don't care if he's in politics or not - his behavior is flat out unacceptable and it shouldn't have taken this long to find out about his absurdly shady foundation. That lack of vetting seems pretty bad on the part of the GOP. It has nothing to do with his opponent, who I'm not a huge fan of either. It has to do with the system that allows parasitic scum like Trump to exist in the first place.
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On September 30 2016 10:45 Nyxisto wrote:Show nested quote +On September 30 2016 10:16 Nevuk wrote:
Scott Adams is somehow still insisting that Trump won the first debate on a "3d" level and that he seemed "presidential enough". I think during the primaries he had some interesting insights, but at this point he's clearly deluding himself if he thought an undecided voter saw Trump's debate and thought "presidential".
Really, even during the primaries Adam's arguments were only better for understanding why some of Trump's tactics were working. He never made a convincing argument that Trump was doing it intentionally, imo - it was always predicated on this strange notion that Trump was merely "acting" like a clown strategically and could pivot whenever he wanted.
It also sort of ties together in a weird way, I think Adams is underestimating just how poorly Trump came across to women - apparently the "ms piggy" thing really, really bothers them. It's no surprise that he somehow misses this- in some of his earliest Trump posts Adams says that he understands Trump because they're both "white men from upstate NY." He's a very good source for analyzing why Trump can effectively communicate with his base of white men, but tends to be blind to other groups' issues. I'd probably argue that he has probably hypnotized himself with how frequently he has argued that Trump will win, and is now conforming all evidence to fit that world view.
Trump is trailing 30% when it comes to the white women vote. Romney actually won that demographic against Obama. This is really crazy. The healthcare threat that the GOP is for women isn't talked about enough anyway.
They can try to spin it however they want, but the fact of the matter is that both 538 and gambling sites have bumped up Hillary's chances pretty nicely post-debate, from 55% up 8-15% over the past few days, depending on the site. Now, that's just a correlation between the time of the debate and the bump- not causation- but it's definitely consistent with the idea that Hillary outperformed Trump lol.
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*hint* *hint* Democrats...
An overwhelming majority of Americans favor government action to restrain prescription drug prices, according to a poll released Thursday.
Eighty-two percent of those polled said they want Medicare to negotiate prices with the companies, which Congress does not allow. Seventy-eight percent favored limiting the amount companies can charge for high-cost drugs, such as those that fight cancer or hepatitis, according to the poll from the Kaiser Family Foundation. And more than two-thirds want to let Americans buy drugs imported from Canada. Support is strong no matter the political party. (KHN is an editorially independent program of the foundation.)
The views come as the skyrocketing prices of some drugs are under intense scrutiny, with new evidence showing massive price hikes by some companies. Some members of Congress have called for investigations, but there is no consensus on how to effectively rein in the cost, particularly for lifesaving and unique treatments such as the EpiPen for people with deadly allergies and the hepatitis C-curing drug Sovaldi.
The poll found that while a majority of Americans still believed prescription drugs developed over the past two decades have improved lives, respect is dwindling. In 2008, 73 percent of Americans said the medicines had this positive effect, but that number dropped to 62 percent in August 2015. The new poll found that now 56 percent of Americans consider the drugs beneficial.
“Cost could be one reason why the share of Americans who say prescription drugs have made the lives of people in the U.S. better is declining,” the pollsters wrote.
The poll found that three-quarters of Americans considered drug costs unreasonable. Despite the perceived burden, the poll also discovered that 73 percent of people taking prescription medicines said it had been easy to afford their drugs. People in fair or poor health and those taking four or more drugs were more likely to say they were having trouble affording prescriptions than more healthy people.
Among the policy ideas the respondents were asked to consider, the most popular was requiring drug companies to explain how they set drug prices, with 86 percent support. Two-thirds of Americans favored Democratic presidential nominee Hillary Clinton’s suggestion to create an independent group to oversee drug pricing.
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On September 30 2016 10:49 {CC}StealthBlue wrote:Show nested quote +Since their launch in 2012, cellphone emergency alerts have become a frequent tool for public safety officials to alert people to missing children, warn them of impending weather calamities or notify them of dangers specific to the local community.
But the alerts have also been criticized for their shortcomings — restricted to only 90 characters of plain text, they can't carry images and have a hit-or-miss record of landing on the phones of exactly the people meant to receive the messages. The flaws were recently showcased by the alert in New York City that raised concerns about racial profiling as it solicited help in the search of a bombing suspect by sharing his name and age but then sending people to "media" for a photo.
The Federal Communications Commission has now voted to quadruple the maximum length of the alert to 360 characters and begin including clickable hyperlinks and phone numbers in the alerts, including Amber alerts. The phone carriers will be allowed to include the URLs and numbers within about a month and required to do so in about a year.
The rules for now still won't allow for photos to be directly included in the messages, but the FCC is reviewing the possibility for the future. The order approved on Thursday does, however, push for alerts to be delivered more precisely to specific areas and requires support of alerts in Spanish as well as English.
The reason the change isn't as easy as, say, texting an image to a friend is that it's a different kind of process. Phone carriers pick up the alerts initiated by local, state or national authorities through a special computer network facilitated by the Federal Emergency Management Agency. The alerts then go out on a separate slice of airwaves than regular calls or texts — to ensure their delivery but also not to overwhelm the networks.
The phone companies, which highlight that they've participated in the program voluntarily, have warned that given the lack of existing standards for the new features, the interactive elements may create more confusion (for instance for older phones that don't recognize links), overwhelm responders' websites and cause network congestion. The carriers had argued for more time to prepare for more multimedia in alerts.
The FCC's order also creates a new class of emergency alerts. Previously, there were three: (1) imminent threat (for example, severe weather or another emergency); (2) Amber alerts (for abducted children); (3) presidential messages during a national emergency (this has never been used).
The new addition will be a public safety message, defined by FCC officials as "essential public safety advisories that prescribe one or more actions likely to save lives or safeguard property." These would be, for instance, notices of emergency shelter locations or orders to boil water before consumption. Source
I'm on the fence about this one. On the one hand, it's good for public safety to be able to get detailed alerts out to everyone quickly. On the other hand, sending out mass texts of the image of some *suspected* terrorist is really big-brotherish and I fear we could end up with some vigilante or mob justice gone wrong.
I was in NYC when they sent out the "see media for pic" one and riding the train when everyone got it... pretty surreal when suddenly 50 phones all suddenly go off at once. I remember one lady really got freaked out by it.
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Megyn Kelly asked tonight why Donald Trump and the people around him can’t just “shut up about… women and how big they’re supposed to be.”
Instead of apologizing or anything, Trump doubled down on his past statements that a former Miss Universe was too fat and Trump made her lose weight so she wasn’t stripped of her title.
Kelly pointed out to Trump supporter Carl Higbie tonight that it kind of hurts Trump with not just women, but all people struggling with weight. Higbie argued that Trump employs many great women.
Kelly shot back, “They’re all very beautiful and none of them is overweight.”
Higbie repeatedly touted the fact that Trump put Alicia Machado on a “luxury exercise program,” but Kelly said it’s a problem for Trump if––as a report today alleges––he wanted to discriminate against non-“hot” women.
Higbie pointed out that most of the country is overweight to a certain degree. Kelly cried, “Including Trump!”
Watch above, via Fox News.
http://www.mediaite.com/tv/megyn-kelly-cant-trump-people-just-shut-up-about-how-much-women-should-weigh/
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On September 30 2016 11:24 TheFish7 wrote:Show nested quote +On September 30 2016 10:49 {CC}StealthBlue wrote:Since their launch in 2012, cellphone emergency alerts have become a frequent tool for public safety officials to alert people to missing children, warn them of impending weather calamities or notify them of dangers specific to the local community.
But the alerts have also been criticized for their shortcomings — restricted to only 90 characters of plain text, they can't carry images and have a hit-or-miss record of landing on the phones of exactly the people meant to receive the messages. The flaws were recently showcased by the alert in New York City that raised concerns about racial profiling as it solicited help in the search of a bombing suspect by sharing his name and age but then sending people to "media" for a photo.
The Federal Communications Commission has now voted to quadruple the maximum length of the alert to 360 characters and begin including clickable hyperlinks and phone numbers in the alerts, including Amber alerts. The phone carriers will be allowed to include the URLs and numbers within about a month and required to do so in about a year.
The rules for now still won't allow for photos to be directly included in the messages, but the FCC is reviewing the possibility for the future. The order approved on Thursday does, however, push for alerts to be delivered more precisely to specific areas and requires support of alerts in Spanish as well as English.
The reason the change isn't as easy as, say, texting an image to a friend is that it's a different kind of process. Phone carriers pick up the alerts initiated by local, state or national authorities through a special computer network facilitated by the Federal Emergency Management Agency. The alerts then go out on a separate slice of airwaves than regular calls or texts — to ensure their delivery but also not to overwhelm the networks.
The phone companies, which highlight that they've participated in the program voluntarily, have warned that given the lack of existing standards for the new features, the interactive elements may create more confusion (for instance for older phones that don't recognize links), overwhelm responders' websites and cause network congestion. The carriers had argued for more time to prepare for more multimedia in alerts.
The FCC's order also creates a new class of emergency alerts. Previously, there were three: (1) imminent threat (for example, severe weather or another emergency); (2) Amber alerts (for abducted children); (3) presidential messages during a national emergency (this has never been used).
The new addition will be a public safety message, defined by FCC officials as "essential public safety advisories that prescribe one or more actions likely to save lives or safeguard property." These would be, for instance, notices of emergency shelter locations or orders to boil water before consumption. Source I'm on the fence about this one. On the one hand, it's good for public safety to be able to get detailed alerts out to everyone quickly. On the other hand, sending out mass texts of the image of some *suspected* terrorist is really big-brotherish and I fear we could end up with some vigilante or mob justice gone wrong. I was in NYC when they sent out the "see media for pic" one and riding the train when everyone got it... pretty surreal when suddenly 50 phones all suddenly go off at once. I remember one lady really got freaked out by it.
Could be dangerous as hell for innocent people, like when there was the officers shot in Texas and multiple media outlets circulated a picture of someone who clearly had nothing to do with it other than helping innocent people after it started. One outlet went so far as to put his picture out as "the shooter", terrifying to think if that was done through an emergency system (without a solid generation of training/teaching first)
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