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Yoav
Profile Joined March 2011
United States1874 Posts
September 29 2016 09:09 GMT
#105041
On September 29 2016 17:48 iPlaY.NettleS wrote:
Obamacare is collapsing, the mans legacy will not be anywhere near as rosy as some here suggest.
Even left pro-establishment rags like The Washington Post admit as such : Obamacare disaster will be Obamas enduring domestic legacy

https://www.washingtonpost.com/opinions/obamacare-disaster-will-be-obamas-enduring-domestic-legacy/2016/04/25/a8c09b38-0ae4-11e6-8ab8-9ad050f76d7d_story.html?utm_term=.8c09c0d4f4d4

CNBC - Obamacare unsustainable


I mean, not to weigh in on Obamacare one way or the other, but you do realize that actual news sources try to get people of a variety of opinions to share their thoughts, right? WaPo doesn't think that necessarily... that dude who works with the American Enterprise Institute (still establishment, but right not left) thinks that. As for CNBC, again, it's one dude. Not "CNBC" writ large. Generally, networks don't actually have any editorial position on anything at all, though individuals who work for them do. Fox or MSNBC's exclusive hiring of partisan hacks on one side of the aisle is unusual, not the norm. (Though I do think it's funny that the 1.5 conservatives working on the NYT editorial page (one social, one fiscal) are both quite anti-Trump.)
iPlaY.NettleS
Profile Blog Joined June 2010
Australia4446 Posts
September 29 2016 10:19 GMT
#105042
Just watched the clip of Gary Johnson with Chris Matthews where Johnson couldn't name one foreign leader.
I let the guy off for the Aleppo incident but this is far worse.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=e7PvoI6gvQs
{CC}StealthBlue
Profile Blog Joined January 2003
United States41117 Posts
September 29 2016 10:37 GMT
#105043
The federal agency that controls more than $1 trillion in Medicare and Medicaid funding has moved to prevent nursing homes from forcing claims of elder abuse, sexual harassment and even wrongful death into the private system of justice known as arbitration.

An agency within the Health and Human Services Department on Wednesday issued a rule that bars any nursing home that receives federal funding from requiring that its residents resolve any disputes in arbitration, instead of court.

The rule, which would affect nursing homes with 1.5 million residents, promises to deliver major new protections.

Clauses embedded in the fine print of nursing home admissions contracts have pushed disputes about safety and the quality of care out of public view.

The system has helped the nursing home industry reduce its legal costs, but it has stymied the families of nursing home residents from getting justice, even in the case of murder.

A case involving a 100-year-old woman who was found murdered in a nursing home, strangled by her roommate, was initially blocked from court. So was a case brought by the family of a 94-year-old woman who died at a nursing home in Murrysville, Pa., from a head wound. The cases were the subject of a front-page article in The New York Times last November.

“The sad reality is that today too many Americans must choose between forfeiting their legal rights and getting adequate medical care,” Senator Patrick Leahy, a Democrat of Vermont, said in a statement on Wednesday.

The nursing home industry reacted strongly against the change. Mark Parkinson, the president and chief executive of the American Health Care Association, a trade group, said in a statement on Wednesday that the change on arbitration “clearly exceeds” the agency’s statutory authority and was “wholly unnecessary to protect residents’ health and safety.”

The new rule on arbitration came after officials in 16 states and the District of Columbia urged the government to cut off funding to nursing homes that use the clauses, arguing that arbitration kept patterns of wrongdoing hidden from prospective residents and their families.

With its decision, the Centers for Medicare and Medicaid Services, an agency under Health and Human Services, has restored a fundamental right of millions of elderly Americans across the country: their day in court.

It is the most significant overhaul of the agency’s rules governing federal funding of long-term care facilities in more than two decades.


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"Smokey, this is not 'Nam, this is bowling. There are rules."
zatic
Profile Blog Joined September 2007
Zurich15366 Posts
September 29 2016 10:52 GMT
#105044
On September 29 2016 19:19 iPlaY.NettleS wrote:
Just watched the clip of Gary Johnson with Chris Matthews where Johnson couldn't name one foreign leader.
I let the guy off for the Aleppo incident but this is far worse.



This is just unreal ...
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Laurens
Profile Joined September 2010
Belgium4558 Posts
Last Edited: 2016-09-29 11:04:17
September 29 2016 11:00 GMT
#105045
The other guy naming Merkel is almost as bad imo.

Then again, I'd struggle to name someone. Would probably pick Obama, obviously that wasn't an option here.
Dan HH
Profile Joined July 2012
Romania9244 Posts
September 29 2016 11:00 GMT
#105046
On September 29 2016 19:52 zatic wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 29 2016 19:19 iPlaY.NettleS wrote:
Just watched the clip of Gary Johnson with Chris Matthews where Johnson couldn't name one foreign leader.
I let the guy off for the Aleppo incident but this is far worse.

https://twitter.com/ianbremmer/status/781443927027122176

This is just unreal ...

Holy shit I did not expect it to be this bad, it's even worse than Nettle made it sound
Laurens
Profile Joined September 2010
Belgium4558 Posts
September 29 2016 11:03 GMT
#105047
On September 29 2016 20:00 Dan HH wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 29 2016 19:52 zatic wrote:
On September 29 2016 19:19 iPlaY.NettleS wrote:
Just watched the clip of Gary Johnson with Chris Matthews where Johnson couldn't name one foreign leader.
I let the guy off for the Aleppo incident but this is far worse.

https://twitter.com/ianbremmer/status/781443927027122176

This is just unreal ...

Holy shit I did not expect it to be this bad, it's even worse than Nettle made it sound


Not really. The question wasn't "name some foreign leaders". It was "who's your favorite foreign leader" with the extra condition that he had to be living.

He wanted to answer the former president of Mexico, but forgot the name.

Forgetting 1 guy's name is not worse than "couldn't name one foreign leader" lol, that's just Nettles changing facts like he often does.
{CC}StealthBlue
Profile Blog Joined January 2003
United States41117 Posts
September 29 2016 11:21 GMT
#105048
Donald Trump has gone on the offensive after his underwhelming debate performance by criticizing debate moderator Lester Holt as biased and accusing Google of a conspiracy to rig search results in favor of Hillary Clinton.

He also had surrogates attack his Democrat rival for her husband’s infidelities while suggesting she wants to “strip [the United States] of its status as a sovereign nation”.

The Republican nominee launched the latest salvo of attacks in an interview with Fox News’s Bill O’Reilly where he claimed Holt “was much, much tougher on me than he was on Hillary”. Trump said that while initially “I said good things right after the show” he had changed his mind about Holt’s performance “after seeing the way he badgered and even the questions I got”.

In particular, Trump expressed his discontent over the fact that Holt asked him “the birther question” in Monday’s debate. The Republican nominee had long falsely claimed that President Barack Obama was not born in the United States, an accusation widely considered to be a racist dogwhistle. Although Trump only recently acknowledged that Obama was born in the United States in an event at a Washington hotel, he falsely blamed Hillary Clinton for the conspiracy theory’s origin. He since said that he only acknowledged Obama’s actual birthplace in order to “get on with the campaign”.

Trump also introduced a new conspiracy theory to the campaign on Wednesday night when he accused Google of somehow colluding with Hillary Clinton’s campaign. “Google search engine was suppressing the bad news about Hillary Clinton,” the Republican told a cheering crowd of supporters in Waukesha, Wisconsin. Neither Google nor the Trump campaign responded to requests for comment on this accusation, which seems to stem from a report in Sputnik News, a Russian state propaganda outlet. The reference to Google did not appear to be ad libbed as it was in Trump’s prepared remarks.

Also, at the rally, Trump unveiled a new accusation towards Clinton, whom he has repeatedly attacked as “a globalist”, by saying she was a “vessel for special interests ... who want to strip [the United States] of its status as a sovereign nation”. Although the former secretary of state has long favored immigration reform as well as number of free trade agreements, there is no evidence that she has ever supported stripping the United States of its sovereignty.

However, Clinton is facing scrutiny over her complicated marital history. After Trump publicly congratulated himself for not bringing up former President Bill Clinton’s past infidelities in Monday’s debate, his campaign has cited them in talking points in an attempt to rebut past crude statements about a beauty queen.

The statements about former Miss Universe Alicia Machado, which included calling her “Miss Piggy” for her weight and “Miss Housekeeping” in reference to her Hispanic heritage, were brought up by Hillary Clinton in Monday’s debate. Trump owned part of the Miss Universe pageant at the time.


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"Smokey, this is not 'Nam, this is bowling. There are rules."
Dan HH
Profile Joined July 2012
Romania9244 Posts
September 29 2016 11:24 GMT
#105049
On September 29 2016 20:03 Laurens wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 29 2016 20:00 Dan HH wrote:
On September 29 2016 19:52 zatic wrote:
On September 29 2016 19:19 iPlaY.NettleS wrote:
Just watched the clip of Gary Johnson with Chris Matthews where Johnson couldn't name one foreign leader.
I let the guy off for the Aleppo incident but this is far worse.

https://twitter.com/ianbremmer/status/781443927027122176

This is just unreal ...

Holy shit I did not expect it to be this bad, it's even worse than Nettle made it sound


Not really. The question wasn't "name some foreign leaders". It was "who's your favorite foreign leader" with the extra condition that he had to be living.

He wanted to answer the former president of Mexico, but forgot the name.

Forgetting 1 guy's name is not worse than "couldn't name one foreign leader" lol, that's just Nettles changing facts like he often does.

Oh come on, he only said 'former president of Mexico' to end the agony after long awkward pauses and the nth time being asked, I don't buy it that it was just a case of forgetting a name. Yeah it's not as bad as not being able to name any leader, I should have said worse than what I imagined from Nettle's description, the hyperbole of whom is a given.
farvacola
Profile Blog Joined January 2011
United States18866 Posts
September 29 2016 11:28 GMT
#105050
Johnson really is the perfect representative of mainstream libertarianism; eager to play ball but totally unable or unwilling to learn anything about the rules.
"when the Dead Kennedys found out they had skinhead fans, they literally wrote a song titled 'Nazi Punks Fuck Off'"
Nebuchad
Profile Blog Joined December 2012
Switzerland12533 Posts
Last Edited: 2016-09-29 11:29:50
September 29 2016 11:28 GMT
#105051
On September 29 2016 20:24 Dan HH wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 29 2016 20:03 Laurens wrote:
On September 29 2016 20:00 Dan HH wrote:
On September 29 2016 19:52 zatic wrote:
On September 29 2016 19:19 iPlaY.NettleS wrote:
Just watched the clip of Gary Johnson with Chris Matthews where Johnson couldn't name one foreign leader.
I let the guy off for the Aleppo incident but this is far worse.

https://twitter.com/ianbremmer/status/781443927027122176

This is just unreal ...

Holy shit I did not expect it to be this bad, it's even worse than Nettle made it sound


Not really. The question wasn't "name some foreign leaders". It was "who's your favorite foreign leader" with the extra condition that he had to be living.

He wanted to answer the former president of Mexico, but forgot the name.

Forgetting 1 guy's name is not worse than "couldn't name one foreign leader" lol, that's just Nettles changing facts like he often does.

Oh come on, he only said 'former president of Mexico' to end the agony after long awkward pauses and the nth time being asked, I don't buy it that it was just a case of forgetting a name. Yeah it's not as bad as not being able to name any leader, I should have said worse than what I imagined from Nettle's description, the hyperbole of whom is a given.


The comment is valid tho, there aren't that many foreign leaders that I respect. I get to say Obama which is cool, and I can add Trudeau cause I'm a leftist but that took me ten seconds.
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KOFgokuon
Profile Blog Joined August 2004
United States14912 Posts
September 29 2016 11:32 GMT
#105052
there's so much more for hillary to hit him on with respect to infidelity, and it isn't even clear if those attacks are effective. She's usually seen as the victim of Bill's infidelity and polls well with respect to that issue so this isn't even a good strategy
OtherWorld
Profile Blog Joined October 2013
France17333 Posts
September 29 2016 11:45 GMT
#105053
On September 29 2016 19:52 zatic wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 29 2016 19:19 iPlaY.NettleS wrote:
Just watched the clip of Gary Johnson with Chris Matthews where Johnson couldn't name one foreign leader.
I let the guy off for the Aleppo incident but this is far worse.

https://twitter.com/ianbremmer/status/781443927027122176

This is just unreal ...

How is that unreal? I'd have a hard time naming my favorite foreign leader too, yet I know two dozens of them. Also, literally no other foreign leader is libertarian. How is he supposed to answer that intelligently?
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Laurens
Profile Joined September 2010
Belgium4558 Posts
Last Edited: 2016-09-29 11:47:14
September 29 2016 11:46 GMT
#105054
On September 29 2016 20:24 Dan HH wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 29 2016 20:03 Laurens wrote:
On September 29 2016 20:00 Dan HH wrote:
On September 29 2016 19:52 zatic wrote:
On September 29 2016 19:19 iPlaY.NettleS wrote:
Just watched the clip of Gary Johnson with Chris Matthews where Johnson couldn't name one foreign leader.
I let the guy off for the Aleppo incident but this is far worse.

https://twitter.com/ianbremmer/status/781443927027122176

This is just unreal ...

Holy shit I did not expect it to be this bad, it's even worse than Nettle made it sound


Not really. The question wasn't "name some foreign leaders". It was "who's your favorite foreign leader" with the extra condition that he had to be living.

He wanted to answer the former president of Mexico, but forgot the name.

Forgetting 1 guy's name is not worse than "couldn't name one foreign leader" lol, that's just Nettles changing facts like he often does.

Oh come on, he only said 'former president of Mexico' to end the agony after long awkward pauses and the nth time being asked, I don't buy it that it was just a case of forgetting a name. Yeah it's not as bad as not being able to name any leader, I should have said worse than what I imagined from Nettle's description, the hyperbole of whom is a given.


Well, as a Libertarian, which would be your favorite, most-respected, foreign world leader?

Edit: sniped by Otherworld.

The Aleppo comment was infinitely worse guys, this isn't even a fuckup. The other guy picking Merkel is legit more hilarious.
SoSexy
Profile Blog Joined February 2011
Italy3725 Posts
September 29 2016 11:49 GMT
#105055
http://www.nytimes.com/2016/09/28/us/pepe-the-frog-is-listed-as-a-hate-symbol-by-the-anti-defamation-league.html?

For real? Is this the new frontier of political correctness or what?
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farvacola
Profile Blog Joined January 2011
United States18866 Posts
September 29 2016 11:55 GMT
#105056
On September 29 2016 20:45 OtherWorld wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 29 2016 19:52 zatic wrote:
On September 29 2016 19:19 iPlaY.NettleS wrote:
Just watched the clip of Gary Johnson with Chris Matthews where Johnson couldn't name one foreign leader.
I let the guy off for the Aleppo incident but this is far worse.

https://twitter.com/ianbremmer/status/781443927027122176

This is just unreal ...

How is that unreal? I'd have a hard time naming my favorite foreign leader too, yet I know two dozens of them. Also, literally no other foreign leader is libertarian. How is he supposed to answer that intelligently?

In a vacuum, you may be right. However, once one remembers that Johnson has already made FP-related blunders and libertarians are routinely lambasted for their lack of international knowledge, Johnson's inability to even toss out a name looks all the worse.
"when the Dead Kennedys found out they had skinhead fans, they literally wrote a song titled 'Nazi Punks Fuck Off'"
Dan HH
Profile Joined July 2012
Romania9244 Posts
September 29 2016 12:04 GMT
#105057
On September 29 2016 20:45 OtherWorld wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 29 2016 19:52 zatic wrote:
On September 29 2016 19:19 iPlaY.NettleS wrote:
Just watched the clip of Gary Johnson with Chris Matthews where Johnson couldn't name one foreign leader.
I let the guy off for the Aleppo incident but this is far worse.

https://twitter.com/ianbremmer/status/781443927027122176

This is just unreal ...

How is that unreal? I'd have a hard time naming my favorite foreign leader too, yet I know two dozens of them. Also, literally no other foreign leader is libertarian. How is he supposed to answer that intelligently?

By saying he doesn't have a favorite foreign leader and being firm about it if pressed further? Which would have been perfectly understandable given that libertarianism isn't taken as seriously outside the US.

But he dug himself in a hole with the confused puppy reaction, you could all but see the cogs in his head spinning to conjure a name. It's worrying that the strongest 3rd party candidate gets stunned by such softball questions from the press.
iPlaY.NettleS
Profile Blog Joined June 2010
Australia4446 Posts
September 29 2016 12:09 GMT
#105058
On September 29 2016 20:46 Laurens wrote:


Well, as a Libertarian, which would be your favorite, most-respected, foreign world leader?

I'd say Orban of Hungary or Duterte of Phillipines since they actually legit care about the people living in their countries.
Bonus points to Duterte for threatening to leave the UN.
Also whoever was leading Iceland when they actually jailed bankers.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=e7PvoI6gvQs
OuchyDathurts
Profile Joined September 2010
United States4588 Posts
September 29 2016 12:10 GMT
#105059
On September 29 2016 21:09 iPlaY.NettleS wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 29 2016 20:46 Laurens wrote:


Well, as a Libertarian, which would be your favorite, most-respected, foreign world leader?

I'd say Orban of Hungary or Duterte of Phillipines since they actually legit care about the people living in their countries.
Bonus points to Duterte for threatening to leave the UN.
Also whoever was leading Iceland when they actually jailed bankers.


Legit care about the people in their countries by having theme executed with no trial. Truly the pinnacle of liberty.
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OtherWorld
Profile Blog Joined October 2013
France17333 Posts
September 29 2016 12:11 GMT
#105060
On September 29 2016 21:09 iPlaY.NettleS wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 29 2016 20:46 Laurens wrote:


Well, as a Libertarian, which would be your favorite, most-respected, foreign world leader?

I'd say Orban of Hungary or Duterte of Phillipines since they actually legit care about the people living in their countries.
Bonus points to Duterte for threatening to leave the UN.
Also whoever was leading Iceland when they actually jailed bankers.

Orban of Hungary? LIBERTARIAN?
bwahahaha, you criticize Johnson for not knowing shit but maybe you should look at yourself before...
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