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Doodsmack
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
United States7224 Posts
September 29 2016 00:02 GMT
#105001
Imagine if Trump had said "Yeah well how about the women your husband racked up on you?"
Nevuk
Profile Blog Joined March 2009
United States16280 Posts
Last Edited: 2016-09-29 00:02:55
September 29 2016 00:02 GMT
#105002
I'm pretty sure he got ultra-tilted when she suggested that the reason he wasn't releasing tax returns was that he wasn't as rich as he says he is.

On September 29 2016 09:02 Doodsmack wrote:
Imagine if Trump had said "Yeah well how about the women your husband racked up on you?"

I don't think Hillary would really be phased by that
ticklishmusic
Profile Blog Joined August 2011
United States15977 Posts
Last Edited: 2016-09-29 00:03:42
September 29 2016 00:03 GMT
#105003
On September 29 2016 09:00 Nyxisto wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 29 2016 08:57 LegalLord wrote:
No but seriously, he needs to sit down for a week and grind out some solid debate prep. Hillary should be easy pickings but he blew it badly.


He can't suddenly become equanimous policy donald. He doesn't have the temperament for it. He's not actually a super-smart con man who just acts like a bully to please all his followers. Hillary just needs to bait him again with something and he'll start to ramble. Also that's exactly what his followers like. If he goes deep into content he's going to disappoint his base.


what you see is what you get. believing otherwise is delusion

On September 29 2016 09:02 Doodsmack wrote:
Imagine if Trump had said "Yeah well how about the women your husband racked up on you?"


it would backfire rather spectacularly, i'd like to see those fireworks
(╯°□°)╯︵ ┻━┻
Doodsmack
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
United States7224 Posts
September 29 2016 00:03 GMT
#105004
On September 29 2016 09:02 Nevuk wrote:
I'm pretty sure he got ultra-tilted when she suggested that the reason he wasn't releasing tax returns was that he wasn't as rich as he says he is.

Show nested quote +
On September 29 2016 09:02 Doodsmack wrote:
Imagine if Trump had said "Yeah well how about the women your husband racked up on you?"

I don't think Hillary would really be phased by that


Yeah I'm just imagining the media frenzy lol
Doodsmack
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
United States7224 Posts
September 29 2016 00:05 GMT
#105005
On the bright side, maybe we'll get Paul Ryan and Mark Cuban running in 2020. They seem like better candidates at least.
KwarK
Profile Blog Joined July 2006
United States42993 Posts
September 29 2016 00:07 GMT
#105006
Hillary got cheated on, Trump is a cheater. There's really not much good in that line of attack.
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GreenHorizons
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
United States23328 Posts
Last Edited: 2016-09-29 00:23:11
September 29 2016 00:22 GMT
#105007
On September 29 2016 09:07 KwarK wrote:
Hillary got cheated on, Trump is a cheater. There's really not much good in that line of attack.


The line of attack isn't on Bill but on how Hillary and the people around Bill dealt with his accusers, add that to David Brock's history and you start to see a somewhat unscrupulous pattern.

I have no doubt that Trump couldn't walk the audience through it without botching it horribly though.
"People like to look at history and think 'If that was me back then, I would have...' We're living through history, and the truth is, whatever you are doing now is probably what you would have done then" "Scratch a Liberal..."
LegalLord
Profile Blog Joined April 2013
United Kingdom13775 Posts
September 29 2016 00:23 GMT
#105008
On September 29 2016 01:30 xDaunt wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 28 2016 23:14 LegalLord wrote:
On September 28 2016 23:09 KwarK wrote:
Also Donald Trump is now claiming that he won and that everyone says he won but also the reason he lost is because he deliberately held back so although he lost he lost on purpose so really he won and also he won so he doesn't know why anyone even thinks he lost but if he did lose that means he won.

I mean for fucks sake, even most of his allies are admitting he lost and rationalizing it instead of pretending he won.

It depends upon how you judge the debate. If you're judging the debate by traditional, political standards, then yes, Trump lost. But Trump's campaign clearly is running on the theory that traditional, political standards don't really apply to him. All you have to do is look at the post-debate comments by Trump's inner circle to see what his campaign actually cares about. Sure, I have no doubt that Trump's campaign is disappointed by Trump's performance when gauged by the traditional, political standards, and that it is expected that he'll do better in the future.

And why would anyone expect Trump to admit that he lost the debate? He has pretty much never done this before, and the tactic has served him well. Admitting defeat would do nothing to further his cause.

I don't think the theory is true. Trump won out by appealing to a core group that was ignored by the Republican Party, which was stupid enough to prop up Jeb Bush as their desired front runner, and in this Republican primary having a core of support mattered more than having broad appeal. He also won hard with the liberal Republicans. Hillary is bad enough that a lot of his faults do get ignored, just because his opponent is so bad, but he still is subject to the same political standards as everyone else. Losing the debate means losing undecided voters, and that absolutely will hurt him.
History will sooner or later sweep the European Union away without mercy.
WolfintheSheep
Profile Joined June 2011
Canada14127 Posts
Last Edited: 2016-09-29 01:36:32
September 29 2016 01:36 GMT
#105009
On September 29 2016 09:22 GreenHorizons wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 29 2016 09:07 KwarK wrote:
Hillary got cheated on, Trump is a cheater. There's really not much good in that line of attack.


The line of attack isn't on Bill but on how Hillary and the people around Bill dealt with his accusers, add that to David Brock's history and you start to see a somewhat unscrupulous pattern.

I have no doubt that Trump couldn't walk the audience through it without botching it horribly though.

This would be the line of attack for anyone with any kind of political sense.

Pretty sure Trump really is just thinking "haha you got cheated on".
Average means I'm better than half of you.
Dromar
Profile Blog Joined June 2007
United States2145 Posts
Last Edited: 2016-09-29 01:46:39
September 29 2016 01:42 GMT
#105010
Can anyone give some insight into why Trump hates Rosie O'Donnell so much? He even brought her up in the debate, for basically no reason, just to say she's the worst ever "and everyone would agree with me."

On another note, I think Hillary's strategy to refer to him as "Donald" instead of "Trump" or "Mr. Trump" worked very well to both tilt him and present him as less of an authoritative figure. "Trump" plays into his branding that he's cultivated his whole life, and "Mr. Trump" gives him authority on top of that. On the other hand, "Donald" almost seems like a child's name, maybe invoking memories of Donald Duck.
zlefin
Profile Blog Joined October 2012
United States7689 Posts
September 29 2016 01:44 GMT
#105011
On September 29 2016 10:42 Dromar wrote:
Can anyone give some insight into why Trump hates Rosie O'Donnell so much? He even brought her up in the debate, for basically no reason, just to say she's the worst ever "and everyone would agree with me."

I have no strong data.
I heard that it was because he's had a long-standing disagreement with her over something a long time back; and trump tends to keep grudges.
Great read: http://shorensteincenter.org/news-coverage-2016-general-election/ great book on democracy: http://press.princeton.edu/titles/10671.html zlefin is grumpier due to long term illness. Ignoring some users.
kwizach
Profile Joined June 2011
3658 Posts
Last Edited: 2016-09-29 01:49:12
September 29 2016 01:48 GMT
#105012
In tomorrow's issue of Newsweek:

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"Oedipus ruined a great sex life by asking too many questions." -- Stephen Colbert
Dan HH
Profile Joined July 2012
Romania9129 Posts
September 29 2016 01:59 GMT
#105013
On September 29 2016 10:42 Dromar wrote:
Can anyone give some insight into why Trump hates Rosie O'Donnell so much? He even brought her up in the debate, for basically no reason, just to say she's the worst ever "and everyone would agree with me."


Nevuk
Profile Blog Joined March 2009
United States16280 Posts
Last Edited: 2016-09-29 02:12:29
September 29 2016 02:12 GMT
#105014
Huh, apparently Megyn Kelly is actually sort of bothered by the attacks on the beauty contestant. Not sure why I'm surprised, but she's doing some anti-Trump segments today - a fairly critical interview, and then this :

Fresh off of berating Kellyanne Conway for all but refusing to admit that her employer, Donald Trump, isn’t doing well with women ahead of the election, Megyn Kelly brought out fellow Fox News host Dana Perino to talk about Trump’s reported mistreatment of the former Miss Universe, Alicia Machado.

Kelly and Perino discussed just how bad it is that the story has been dominating the press for 48 hours and Kelly reminded viewers that in August of 2015, she gave Trump the chance to prepare for future questions about his misogynistic statements. He spent nine months feuding with her because she asked him about them instead of getting ready for the inevitable moment Hillary Clinton would publicly ask him, too.


Perino sighed and agreed that Trump had plenty of time to prepare but simply didn’t do it, which is why it was so easy for Clinton to lay a trap with Machado.

“Stop talking about women’s weight altogether!” she suggested.

“If you want to increase your numbers with women, yeah, just stop telling us how fat we are!” chimed in Kelly. “As it turns out, it doesn’t make us feel very good!”

“That might help…” added Perino.

Kelly finished off by bringing up the fact that Trump was recently classified as overweight in a much-touted doctor’s assessment, which actually caused someone working on her set to laugh out loud.

“We definitely don’t want to hear it anymore… bigly,” said Perino, in what might just have been a nod to Trump’s Trumpiest Trumpism.

(video at link)
http://www.mediaite.com/online/foxs-megyn-kelly-and-dana-perino-team-up-to-tear-down-trump-for-treatment-of-former-miss-universe/
{CC}StealthBlue
Profile Blog Joined January 2003
United States41117 Posts
Last Edited: 2016-09-29 02:17:05
September 29 2016 02:16 GMT
#105015
DENVER -- Surplus marijuana tax revenue could soon benefit your kids, as the state is set to distribute millions to schools in the next few months.

The money comes from Proposition BB, passed by voters last November, which allows the state to keep surplus marijuana tax revenues.

The surplus funds currently amount to about $66 million.

One of the programs benefiting from the surplus funds will be a new bully prevention grant from the Colorado Department of Education.

Just this week, a video of a middle school bully at a bus stop in Commerce City went viral and sparked outrage among community members.

"I think it's a huge problem,” said East High senior Isabel Dias-Bertch. “It's something that haunts you the rest of your life."

“I experienced bullying a little more than occasionally,” said East High senior Preston Harcourt. "You learn to love yourself more after time."

"As far as we know, we're the only state that is providing such significant funds to prevent bullying in schools," said Dr. Adam Collins, bullying prevention and education grant coordinator for the CDE. “We are excited to have these funds.”

The CDE is offering new grants up to $40,000 per school per year for bully prevention.

"It's a lot of money,” said Collins. “It's a great opportunity for schools to apply and make sure the social and emotional wellness of their students is taken care of."

All the money is coming from surplus marijuana tax dollars. As part of the grant, schools will receive specialized training from a prevention coach.

"You're getting time as well as funds," said Collins. “And so those funds come from marijuana tax dollars. So, what that is allowing us to do is actually provide help for bullying prevention in schools directly.

“I think this is a great thing,” said Harcourt. “We need more awareness and more money going to preventing it.”

Collins said the programs implemented will all be evidence-based programs that have a proven track record. Each school will form a bully prevention committee of teachers, staff and parents.


Source
"Smokey, this is not 'Nam, this is bowling. There are rules."
Plansix
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
United States60190 Posts
Last Edited: 2016-09-29 03:03:53
September 29 2016 03:00 GMT
#105016
On September 29 2016 11:12 Nevuk wrote:
Huh, apparently Megyn Kelly is actually sort of bothered by the attacks on the beauty contestant. Not sure why I'm surprised, but she's doing some anti-Trump segments today - a fairly critical interview, and then this :
Show nested quote +

Fresh off of berating Kellyanne Conway for all but refusing to admit that her employer, Donald Trump, isn’t doing well with women ahead of the election, Megyn Kelly brought out fellow Fox News host Dana Perino to talk about Trump’s reported mistreatment of the former Miss Universe, Alicia Machado.

Kelly and Perino discussed just how bad it is that the story has been dominating the press for 48 hours and Kelly reminded viewers that in August of 2015, she gave Trump the chance to prepare for future questions about his misogynistic statements. He spent nine months feuding with her because she asked him about them instead of getting ready for the inevitable moment Hillary Clinton would publicly ask him, too.


Perino sighed and agreed that Trump had plenty of time to prepare but simply didn’t do it, which is why it was so easy for Clinton to lay a trap with Machado.

“Stop talking about women’s weight altogether!” she suggested.

“If you want to increase your numbers with women, yeah, just stop telling us how fat we are!” chimed in Kelly. “As it turns out, it doesn’t make us feel very good!”

“That might help…” added Perino.

Kelly finished off by bringing up the fact that Trump was recently classified as overweight in a much-touted doctor’s assessment, which actually caused someone working on her set to laugh out loud.

“We definitely don’t want to hear it anymore… bigly,” said Perino, in what might just have been a nod to Trump’s Trumpiest Trumpism.

(video at link)
http://www.mediaite.com/online/foxs-megyn-kelly-and-dana-perino-team-up-to-tear-down-trump-for-treatment-of-former-miss-universe/

She has been the one critical voice on that network while Hannity just gives Trump a hand job every time he has a bad day.

Also:



Seriously, this man need to stop everything.
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LegalLord
Profile Blog Joined April 2013
United Kingdom13775 Posts
September 29 2016 03:16 GMT
#105017
Trump made him minorly relevant again and I think he should have just let sleeping dogs lie.
History will sooner or later sweep the European Union away without mercy.
Doodsmack
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
United States7224 Posts
Last Edited: 2016-09-29 03:36:12
September 29 2016 03:34 GMT
#105018
I do believe Bill Clinton is a monster, and I'm getting close to believing Trump is a monster as well, particularly if his rape accusations are credible, which the one from his wife certainly is.

Unhinged ambition describes both the Clintons and Trump, and who knows what they are capable of.
oBlade
Profile Blog Joined December 2008
United States5677 Posts
September 29 2016 04:27 GMT
#105019
It will be nice to have a new American family, probably the most potential since the Kennedys, and break up this absurd Clinton/Bush dynasty.
"I read it. You know how to read, you ignorant fuck?" - Andy Dufresne
hunts
Profile Joined September 2010
United States2113 Posts
September 29 2016 04:38 GMT
#105020
On September 29 2016 13:27 oBlade wrote:
It will be nice to have a new American family, probably the most potential since the Kennedys, and break up this absurd Clinton/Bush dynasty.


The trump family that's already hated by almost everyone and will be forgotten once he loses the election?
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