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On September 29 2016 21:09 iPlaY.NettleS wrote:Show nested quote +On September 29 2016 20:46 Laurens wrote:
Well, as a Libertarian, which would be your favorite, most-respected, foreign world leader?
I'd say Orban of Hungary or Duterte of Phillipines since they actually legit care about the people living in their countries. Bonus points to Duterte for threatening to leave the UN. Also whoever was leading Iceland when they actually jailed bankers.
Please tell me that's sarcasm.
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Lmao Nettles. Even for you this is poor trolling.
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On September 29 2016 21:04 Dan HH wrote:Show nested quote +On September 29 2016 20:45 OtherWorld wrote:On September 29 2016 19:52 zatic wrote:On September 29 2016 19:19 iPlaY.NettleS wrote:
Just watched the clip of Gary Johnson with Chris Matthews where Johnson couldn't name one foreign leader.
I let the guy off for the Aleppo incident but this is far worse. This is just unreal ... How is that unreal? I'd have a hard time naming my favorite foreign leader too, yet I know two dozens of them. Also, literally no other foreign leader is libertarian. How is he supposed to answer that intelligently? By saying he doesn't have a favorite foreign leader and being firm about it if pressed further? Which would have been perfectly understandable given that libertarianism isn't taken as seriously outside the US.
I don't think that was an option. Watch the clip. "You gotta do this!". They wanted a name.
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On September 29 2016 20:45 OtherWorld wrote:How is that unreal? I'd have a hard time naming my favorite foreign leader too, yet I know two dozens of them. Also, literally no other foreign leader is libertarian. How is he supposed to answer that intelligently?
"As a libertarian, I will have a hard time to pick a current foreign leader. I like certain aspects of policy like Z of leader X, however for reason Y I cannot say that they are my favorite."
instead of
"0_0 .... Aleppo."
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Where's Wegandi at, surely he can set the record straight.
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Yeah that question is pretty difficult for a libertarian to answer. I'd probably have said Hans-Adam II, but does that count for a "world leader" or just "leader of a foreign nation"? Lol. Plus, they'll probably spin it into oblivion; OMG he wants to bring back Monarchy!! Not that I'm that big a fan of Gary, but it doesn't really matter anyways since the duopoly has an iron grip in 99% of the elections that take place in this country.
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On September 29 2016 21:11 OtherWorld wrote:Show nested quote +On September 29 2016 21:09 iPlaY.NettleS wrote:On September 29 2016 20:46 Laurens wrote:
Well, as a Libertarian, which would be your favorite, most-respected, foreign world leader?
I'd say Orban of Hungary or Duterte of Phillipines since they actually legit care about the people living in their countries. Bonus points to Duterte for threatening to leave the UN. Also whoever was leading Iceland when they actually jailed bankers. Orban of Hungary? LIBERTARIAN? bwahahaha, you criticize Johnson for not knowing shit but maybe you should look at yourself before...
Yep, he is in no way libertarian.
He was like 25 years ago, but definitely not now.
They are in 'coalition' with a Christian conservative party as well.
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Sure, i never claimed Orban was libertarian but I approve the way he has secured his countries borders and given his country a vote on whether to accept any more refugees.It's in about a week.
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So your libertarian tendencies are held in check by an overriding nationalist, police state bent.
Interesting.
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On September 29 2016 21:27 iPlaY.NettleS wrote:
Sure, i never claimed Orban was libertarian but I approve the way he has secured his countries borders and given his country a vote on whether to accept refugees.It's in about a week.
But this is just who you like, it would make no sense for Johnson to name authoritarians as his favorites when his party is in favor of free movement
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On September 29 2016 21:09 iPlaY.NettleS wrote:Show nested quote +On September 29 2016 20:46 Laurens wrote:
Well, as a Libertarian, which would be your favorite, most-respected, foreign world leader?
I'd say Orban of Hungary or Duterte of Phillipines since they actually legit care about the people living in their countries. Bonus points to Duterte for threatening to leave the UN. Also whoever was leading Iceland when they actually jailed bankers.
Hahahaha you can't be serious?
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On September 29 2016 21:09 iPlaY.NettleS wrote:Show nested quote +On September 29 2016 20:46 Laurens wrote:
Well, as a Libertarian, which would be your favorite, most-respected, foreign world leader?
Duterte of Phillipines
Yeah, nothing screams Libertarian like a government killing 3500 or their own people (so far) outside of the law.
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On September 29 2016 21:28 farvacola wrote:
So your libertarian tendencies are held in check by an overriding nationalist, police state bent.
Interesting.
If the USA hadn't destabilized the entire middle east borders wouldn't be such an issue right now.
Obama authorised Libyan bombings without congressional approval.Never forget that.
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On September 29 2016 21:27 iPlaY.NettleS wrote:
Sure, i never claimed Orban was libertarian but I approve the way he has secured his countries borders and given his country a vote on whether to accept refugees.It's in about a week.
It's not a serious vote in that it doesn't change anything since it can't rule out EU decisions. It's more of a 'See, we are totally against it!!!!' kind of vote.
It will probably be around 90% of voters being against it, but the turnout will be too low with a LOT of invalid votes.
The youth especially condems pretty much every party right now, and since this isn't really an important vote, they will just cast invalid votes.
According to polls, 10-15% of votes are likely to be invalid.
EDIT:
The latest poll says:
54% certain voters
61% no, 6% yes, 11% invalid and 22% undecided.
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On September 29 2016 21:27 iPlaY.NettleS wrote:
Sure, i never claimed Orban was libertarian but I approve the way he has secured his countries borders and given his country a vote on whether to accept any more refugees.It's in about a week.
Get rid of the welfare state and then "immigration" sorts its self out. If the immigrants aren't economically viable they'll leave for somewhere else, plus it also has the benefit of respecting property rights and letting property owners decide who can or cannot reside there. I mean, most libertarians are anti-State control of "borders" and immigration, so it's odd that's the thing you like Orban for, but then again I don't think anyone thinks you're libertarian anyways :p
Like I said though, the question isn't particularly easy to answer if the host is adamant about getting a specific name. It's legitimate to have no favorite, but that's not a suitable answer to most people, and I can only imagine the drudgery the media will pour on a candidate if they said it was a Monarch from a country I'd surprised that even .01% of Americans know of and can find on a map.
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On September 29 2016 21:31 Dan HH wrote:Show nested quote +On September 29 2016 21:27 iPlaY.NettleS wrote:
Sure, i never claimed Orban was libertarian but I approve the way he has secured his countries borders and given his country a vote on whether to accept refugees.It's in about a week. But this is just who you like, it would make no sense for Johnson to name authoritarians as his favorites when his party is in favor of free movement
You can't have free movement/mass immigration and a welfare safety net.
Europe is starting to figure this basic fact out.
Johnson obviously believes in no welfare safety net.
Since Europe is so far down the welfare state line they need strong borders.
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On September 29 2016 21:36 iPlaY.NettleS wrote:Show nested quote +On September 29 2016 21:31 Dan HH wrote:On September 29 2016 21:27 iPlaY.NettleS wrote:
Sure, i never claimed Orban was libertarian but I approve the way he has secured his countries borders and given his country a vote on whether to accept refugees.It's in about a week. But this is just who you like, it would make no sense for Johnson to name authoritarians as his favorites when his party is in favor of free movement You can't have free movement/mass immigration and a welfare safety net. Europe is starting to figure this basic fact out. Johnson obviously believes in no welfare safety net. Since Europe is so far down the welfare state line they need strong borders.
Eh, no. If you want to curtail the welfare state the best way to do so is have no border control. You'll quickly see how soon the population will leap to cut welfare and/or restrict it. When presented with certain economic collapse tides tend to change. Also, if you have this view then really nothing can change since some state-non-sense is going to get worse is always the quip to libertarian change. Oh, you can't get rid of estate taxes while corporate welfare exists, blah blah blah.
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On September 29 2016 21:31 DickMcFanny wrote:Show nested quote +On September 29 2016 21:09 iPlaY.NettleS wrote:On September 29 2016 20:46 Laurens wrote:
Well, as a Libertarian, which would be your favorite, most-respected, foreign world leader?
Duterte of Phillipines Yeah, nothing screams Libertarian like a government killing 3500 or their own people (so far) outside of the law.
Time for "regime change" yet?
Over a million dead Iraqis in the war + 600,000 dead Iraqi kids under Clinton administration sanctions.USA using depleted uranium shells in Iraq causing huge increases in cancer there and Duterte is the bad guy?
What sanctions did the UN place on the USA for invading Iraq over WMDs when UN inspectors never found any?
Duterte is calling out the USA and the UN on their war crimes, he's a great leader in my book.
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On September 29 2016 21:45 iPlaY.NettleS wrote:Show nested quote +On September 29 2016 21:31 DickMcFanny wrote:On September 29 2016 21:09 iPlaY.NettleS wrote:On September 29 2016 20:46 Laurens wrote:
Well, as a Libertarian, which would be your favorite, most-respected, foreign world leader?
Duterte of Phillipines Yeah, nothing screams Libertarian like a government killing 3500 or their own people (so far) outside of the law. Time for "regime change" yet? Over a million dead Iraqis in the war + 600,000 dead Iraqi kids under Clinton administration sanctions.USA using depleted uranium shells in Iraq causing huge increases in cancer there and Duterte is the bad guy? What sanctions did the UN place on the USA for invading Iraq over WMDs when UN inspectors never found any? Duterte is calling out the USA and the UN on their war crimes, he's a great leader in my book.
I like how all of that stuff was done by republican Governments and you only mentioned Clinton sanctions.. they were the same sanctions more or less as what the UN put in place before desert storm. Also sanctions are not war and their impact on child mortality is still debatable, albiet pretty terrible anyway.
Also what does being in a war have to do with killing your own countries people ?
Side note...
http://www.cnn.com/2016/09/28/politics/obama-radical-islamic-terrorism-cnn-town-hall/index.html?sr=fbCNN092816obama-radical-islamic-terrorism-cnn-town-hall0953PMStoryGal
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