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On September 29 2016 21:33 iPlaY.NettleS wrote:

If the USA hadn't destabilized the entire middle east borders wouldn't be such an issue right now.
Obama authorised Libyan bombings without congressional approval.Never forget that.

On September 29 2016 21:36 Wegandi wrote:


Get rid of the welfare state and then "immigration" sorts its self out. If the immigrants aren't economically viable they'll leave for somewhere else, plus it also has the benefit of respecting property rights and letting property owners decide who can or cannot reside there. I mean, most libertarians are anti-State control of "borders" and immigration, so it's odd that's the thing you like Orban for, but then again I don't think anyone thinks you're libertarian anyways :p

Like I said though, the question isn't particularly easy to answer if the host is adamant about getting a specific name. It's legitimate to have no favorite, but that's not a suitable answer to most people, and I can only imagine the drudgery the media will pour on a candidate if they said it was a Monarch from a country I'd surprised that even .01% of Americans know of and can find on a map.

On September 29 2016 23:37 On_Slaught wrote:


I'm curious what Trump supporters think when they read the daily shit like this that comes out. Do they not believe it or do they not care?

On September 29 2016 23:36 a_flayer wrote:
South Park is on top of their shit again, lol.

Giant Douche/Mr. Garrison/Trump: "I am not fit for president. Please for the love of God don't vote me into office."

Turd Sandwich/Clinton: "My opponent is a liar and cannot be trusted."

On September 29 2016 23:40 Stratos_speAr wrote:
http://projects.fivethirtyeight.com/2016-election-forecast/florida/

Wow, Florida swung a good 6 percentage points in the last day according to 538's poll's only forecast. Apparently there are a lot of undecided voters there...

On September 29 2016 23:42 Stratos_speAr wrote:


I think that's the point.

On September 29 2016 23:42 Stratos_speAr wrote:


I think that's the point.

On September 29 2016 23:44 KwarK wrote:

Except that sometimes the truth isn't in the middle.

On September 29 2016 23:42 Plansix wrote:

I find South Park amusing. But the older I get, the more I notice that they stand for nothing. They take shots at all sides, so that basically have no opinions and not a whole lot to say on any subject beyond “Its all terrible, everything is shit.”

On September 29 2016 23:52 zlefin wrote:

that's the goal; their goal is to comedically skewer people. not necessarily to take sides.
If it's funny, it has achieved its purpose.

On September 29 2016 21:50 Rebs wrote:


I like how all of that stuff was done by republican Governments and you only mentioned Clinton sanctions.. they were the same sanctions more or less as what the UN put in place before desert storm. Also sanctions are not war and their impact on child mortality is still debatable, albiet pretty terrible anyway.

Also what does being in a war have to do with killing your own countries people ?


Side note...

http://www.cnn.com/2016/09/28/politics/obama-radical-islamic-terrorism-cnn-town-hall/index.html?sr=fbCNN092816obama-radical-islamic-terrorism-cnn-town-hall0953PMStoryGal

On September 29 2016 23:37 On_Slaught wrote:


I'm curious what Trump supporters think when they read the daily shit like this that comes out. Do they not believe it or do they not care?

Oh! I have one! No one has mentioned it at all that I've noticed during the race- maybe because it's so ridiculously moustache twirlingly awful that it barely seems real- but everyone I knew growing up in NYC thought of Trump as a fucking slumlord because of how he acted upon the acquisition of 100 Central Park South.
So he bought this building in 1981 with the intention of tearing it down and building a luxury condo tower. Just one problem- the building was filled with rent stabilized tenants.
In 1982 IN THE MIDDLE OF JANUARY he sent tenants, many of whom were older to elderly, immediate eviction notices- out in one week or their stuff was getting thrown out into the street. These were tenants in good standing who hadn't broken their leases. One woman was charged that the building wasn't her primary residence so she was being tossed out even though the only other residence she had ever had had burned down years before. She refused to leave so her water and gas was shut off. He then filed fake non-payment charges against another, which were thrown out when they were able produce documentation of Trump's management company canceling his rent checks.
So after that failed he filled the halls with garbage that attracted rats and roaches, which he then refused to have exterminated and told tenants they and their guests had to use the trash elevators to get into the building, including patients in a dentists office. He told the super to make absolutely no repairs. By the end it got so bad that tenants were able to provide pictures to the court of mushrooms growing out of the carpet in hallways.
He then told the city and tenants that he was going to house de-institutionalized homeless in all the empty units in the building, which the city refused, on grounds of danger to tenants and his intention to tear the building down. He tried to do it anyway- in typical Trump fashion he said it was because he cared so much about the plight of the homeless.
Suzanne Blackmer one of the tenants said in 1987:
“He has such an ego, he wants to be Jesus. He wants to be Hitler. He wants to be the most powerful thing in the world.”
When nothing would budge them Trump tried to sue the hold outs for extortion and his suit was dismissed with prejudice. They counter sued for harassment. The case was finally settled in 1998, when an appellate court ruled that Trump could turn the vacant apartments into condos and sell them, but the 51 remaining rent-regulated tenants could stay.
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First published as an Op-Ed column in The New York Times on June 4, 1983

NYT March 1985, NEW YORK; DOER AND SLUMLORD BOTH

NYT Feb, 1985, TRUMP EVICTION DISPUTE TAKEN TO STATE HEARING

NY Magazine , 1985 PG. 34 A Different Kind of Donald Trump Story: The Cold War on Central Park South

Metropolitan Council of Housing, April 2016 How Rent-Stabilized Tenants Foiled Donald Trump

NYT April 18, 2016 Tenants Thwarted Donald Trump’s Central Park Real Estate Ambition

On September 29 2016 17:41 Acrofales wrote:
Vox has a pretty astute analysis of Clinton's strategy during the debate, and how badly Trump blundered into it. It might give Clinton too much credit: Trump might have imploded regardless of what she did (iow, it might be a bit of post hoc ergo propter hoc), but if this was actually strategized in the way they analyze, it's extremely well played. That is actually a quality I would want in my president, to analyze a person (or situation) and come up with a strategy this effective.

www.vox.com