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On September 29 2016 23:36 KwarK wrote:Show nested quote +On September 29 2016 20:03 Laurens wrote:On September 29 2016 20:00 Dan HH wrote:On September 29 2016 19:52 zatic wrote:On September 29 2016 19:19 iPlaY.NettleS wrote:
Just watched the clip of Gary Johnson with Chris Matthews where Johnson couldn't name one foreign leader.
I let the guy off for the Aleppo incident but this is far worse. This is just unreal ... Holy shit I did not expect it to be this bad, it's even worse than Nettle made it sound Not really. The question wasn't "name some foreign leaders". It was "who's your favorite foreign leader" with the extra condition that he had to be living. He wanted to answer the former president of Mexico, but forgot the name. Forgetting 1 guy's name is not worse than "couldn't name one foreign leader" lol, that's just Nettles changing facts like he often does. I'm not too up on my Mexican politicians but wasn't there a President Fox? How do you forget Fox?
Who could forget Vicente "Mexico isn't paying for that fucking wall" Fox?
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On September 30 2016 00:10 KwarK wrote:This is worth a read https://www.reddit.com/r/politics/comments/54xm65/i_sold_trump_100000_worth_of_pianos_then_he/d8611tvShow nested quote +Oh! I have one! No one has mentioned it at all that I've noticed during the race- maybe because it's so ridiculously moustache twirlingly awful that it barely seems real- but everyone I knew growing up in NYC thought of Trump as a fucking slumlord because of how he acted upon the acquisition of 100 Central Park South. So he bought this building in 1981 with the intention of tearing it down and building a luxury condo tower. Just one problem- the building was filled with rent stabilized tenants. In 1982 IN THE MIDDLE OF JANUARY he sent tenants, many of whom were older to elderly, immediate eviction notices- out in one week or their stuff was getting thrown out into the street. These were tenants in good standing who hadn't broken their leases. One woman was charged that the building wasn't her primary residence so she was being tossed out even though the only other residence she had ever had had burned down years before. She refused to leave so her water and gas was shut off. He then filed fake non-payment charges against another, which were thrown out when they were able produce documentation of Trump's management company canceling his rent checks. So after that failed he filled the halls with garbage that attracted rats and roaches, which he then refused to have exterminated and told tenants they and their guests had to use the trash elevators to get into the building, including patients in a dentists office. He told the super to make absolutely no repairs. By the end it got so bad that tenants were able to provide pictures to the court of mushrooms growing out of the carpet in hallways. He then told the city and tenants that he was going to house de-institutionalized homeless in all the empty units in the building, which the city refused, on grounds of danger to tenants and his intention to tear the building down. He tried to do it anyway- in typical Trump fashion he said it was because he cared so much about the plight of the homeless. Suzanne Blackmer one of the tenants said in 1987: “He has such an ego, he wants to be Jesus. He wants to be Hitler. He wants to be the most powerful thing in the world.” When nothing would budge them Trump tried to sue the hold outs for extortion and his suit was dismissed with prejudice. They counter sued for harassment. The case was finally settled in 1998, when an appellate court ruled that Trump could turn the vacant apartments into condos and sell them, but the 51 remaining rent-regulated tenants could stay. Edit: And just because it's a fun, unrelated little tidbit I stumbled across when fact checking this with sources from the 80's here's a quote from the NYT March 9, 1985:
A recent profile in The Washington Post quoted him as saying he was ready to take on new, world-sized tasks - referring to his heretofore unrevealed wish to become the nation's negotiator on arms limitation with the Soviet Union. He says he's a master negotiator, and could do a better job on arms talks than ''the kind of representatives that I have seen in the past.'' Becoming an expert on nuclear weaponry would be easy, he said. ''It would take an hour and a half to learn everything there is to learn about missiles,'' he explained. ''I think I know most of it anyway. You're talking about just getting updated on a situation.'' Maybe Mr. Trump should take the afternoon off to study up on missiles and leave the tenants of 100 Central Park South alone. EDIT 2: First published as an Op-Ed column in The New York Times on June 4, 1983
NYT March 1985, NEW YORK; DOER AND SLUMLORD BOTH
NYT Feb, 1985, TRUMP EVICTION DISPUTE TAKEN TO STATE HEARING
NY Magazine , 1985 PG. 34 A Different Kind of Donald Trump Story: The Cold War on Central Park South
Metropolitan Council of Housing, April 2016 How Rent-Stabilized Tenants Foiled Donald Trump
NYT April 18, 2016 Tenants Thwarted Donald Trump’s Central Park Real Estate Ambition
In Trump's defense (or rather to add some slightly mitigating context) a lot of really shitty real estate guys do try and pull stuff like this.
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On September 30 2016 00:15 ticklishmusic wrote:Show nested quote +On September 30 2016 00:10 KwarK wrote:This is worth a read https://www.reddit.com/r/politics/comments/54xm65/i_sold_trump_100000_worth_of_pianos_then_he/d8611tvOh! I have one! No one has mentioned it at all that I've noticed during the race- maybe because it's so ridiculously moustache twirlingly awful that it barely seems real- but everyone I knew growing up in NYC thought of Trump as a fucking slumlord because of how he acted upon the acquisition of 100 Central Park South. So he bought this building in 1981 with the intention of tearing it down and building a luxury condo tower. Just one problem- the building was filled with rent stabilized tenants. In 1982 IN THE MIDDLE OF JANUARY he sent tenants, many of whom were older to elderly, immediate eviction notices- out in one week or their stuff was getting thrown out into the street. These were tenants in good standing who hadn't broken their leases. One woman was charged that the building wasn't her primary residence so she was being tossed out even though the only other residence she had ever had had burned down years before. She refused to leave so her water and gas was shut off. He then filed fake non-payment charges against another, which were thrown out when they were able produce documentation of Trump's management company canceling his rent checks. So after that failed he filled the halls with garbage that attracted rats and roaches, which he then refused to have exterminated and told tenants they and their guests had to use the trash elevators to get into the building, including patients in a dentists office. He told the super to make absolutely no repairs. By the end it got so bad that tenants were able to provide pictures to the court of mushrooms growing out of the carpet in hallways. He then told the city and tenants that he was going to house de-institutionalized homeless in all the empty units in the building, which the city refused, on grounds of danger to tenants and his intention to tear the building down. He tried to do it anyway- in typical Trump fashion he said it was because he cared so much about the plight of the homeless. Suzanne Blackmer one of the tenants said in 1987: “He has such an ego, he wants to be Jesus. He wants to be Hitler. He wants to be the most powerful thing in the world.” When nothing would budge them Trump tried to sue the hold outs for extortion and his suit was dismissed with prejudice. They counter sued for harassment. The case was finally settled in 1998, when an appellate court ruled that Trump could turn the vacant apartments into condos and sell them, but the 51 remaining rent-regulated tenants could stay. Edit: And just because it's a fun, unrelated little tidbit I stumbled across when fact checking this with sources from the 80's here's a quote from the NYT March 9, 1985:
A recent profile in The Washington Post quoted him as saying he was ready to take on new, world-sized tasks - referring to his heretofore unrevealed wish to become the nation's negotiator on arms limitation with the Soviet Union. He says he's a master negotiator, and could do a better job on arms talks than ''the kind of representatives that I have seen in the past.'' Becoming an expert on nuclear weaponry would be easy, he said. ''It would take an hour and a half to learn everything there is to learn about missiles,'' he explained. ''I think I know most of it anyway. You're talking about just getting updated on a situation.'' Maybe Mr. Trump should take the afternoon off to study up on missiles and leave the tenants of 100 Central Park South alone. EDIT 2: First published as an Op-Ed column in The New York Times on June 4, 1983
NYT March 1985, NEW YORK; DOER AND SLUMLORD BOTH
NYT Feb, 1985, TRUMP EVICTION DISPUTE TAKEN TO STATE HEARING
NY Magazine , 1985 PG. 34 A Different Kind of Donald Trump Story: The Cold War on Central Park South
Metropolitan Council of Housing, April 2016 How Rent-Stabilized Tenants Foiled Donald Trump
NYT April 18, 2016 Tenants Thwarted Donald Trump’s Central Park Real Estate Ambition In Trump's defense (or rather to add some slightly mitigating context) a lot of really shitty real estate guys do try and pull stuff like this.
Somewhat like when he was accused of racist housing practices by Clinton and he explained that it was the 80s and that everyone was doing it?
He's literally a Marvel villain.
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On September 29 2016 23:55 Biff The Understudy wrote:Show nested quote +On September 29 2016 21:50 Rebs wrote:On September 29 2016 21:45 iPlaY.NettleS wrote:On September 29 2016 21:31 DickMcFanny wrote:On September 29 2016 21:09 iPlaY.NettleS wrote:On September 29 2016 20:46 Laurens wrote:
Well, as a Libertarian, which would be your favorite, most-respected, foreign world leader?
Duterte of Phillipines Yeah, nothing screams Libertarian like a government killing 3500 or their own people (so far) outside of the law. Time for "regime change" yet? Over a million dead Iraqis in the war + 600,000 dead Iraqi kids under Clinton administration sanctions.USA using depleted uranium shells in Iraq causing huge increases in cancer there and Duterte is the bad guy? What sanctions did the UN place on the USA for invading Iraq over WMDs when UN inspectors never found any? Duterte is calling out the USA and the UN on their war crimes, he's a great leader in my book. I like how all of that stuff was done by republican Governments and you only mentioned Clinton sanctions.. they were the same sanctions more or less as what the UN put in place before desert storm. Also sanctions are not war and their impact on child mortality is still debatable, albiet pretty terrible anyway. Also what does being in a war have to do with killing your own countries people ? Side note... http://www.cnn.com/2016/09/28/politics/obama-radical-islamic-terrorism-cnn-town-hall/index.html?sr=fbCNN092816obama-radical-islamic-terrorism-cnn-town-hall0953PMStoryGal Forget the death squads and mass murders of people by vigilante militia, he called obama a son of a whore, he must be a great leader. Every time i read IPN, i have strong doubts about that idea that everyone should have the right to vote. And also a strong, strong headache
His views seem fairly common in the identitarian movements across the west, there are large amounts of people that are so upset with the 'establishment' that they support anyone that opposes EU/US/NATO/WTO, regardless of what faults they have outside of this topic
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On September 30 2016 00:10 Doodsmack wrote:Show nested quote +On September 29 2016 17:41 Acrofales wrote:Vox has a pretty astute analysis of Clinton's strategy during the debate, and how badly Trump blundered into it. It might give Clinton too much credit: Trump might have imploded regardless of what she did (iow, it might be a bit of post hoc ergo propter hoc), but if this was actually strategized in the way they analyze, it's extremely well played. That is actually a quality I would want in my president, to analyze a person (or situation) and come up with a strategy this effective. www.vox.com Brilliant analysis. Trump's awkward exchange about calling her Secretary Clinton and being "nice" now makes perfect sense. Donald truly got played like a toy.
They gracefully edited his "you was totally out of control" line.
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Whenever yet another baffling example of Gary Johnson's ineptitude comes out, I find myself wondering what exactly he spends his time doing/reading. Still don't see why Weld wasn't the top of their ticket. That Romney endorsement would have mattered a lot.
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On September 30 2016 00:17 KwarK wrote:Show nested quote +On September 30 2016 00:15 ticklishmusic wrote:On September 30 2016 00:10 KwarK wrote:This is worth a read https://www.reddit.com/r/politics/comments/54xm65/i_sold_trump_100000_worth_of_pianos_then_he/d8611tvOh! I have one! No one has mentioned it at all that I've noticed during the race- maybe because it's so ridiculously moustache twirlingly awful that it barely seems real- but everyone I knew growing up in NYC thought of Trump as a fucking slumlord because of how he acted upon the acquisition of 100 Central Park South. So he bought this building in 1981 with the intention of tearing it down and building a luxury condo tower. Just one problem- the building was filled with rent stabilized tenants. In 1982 IN THE MIDDLE OF JANUARY he sent tenants, many of whom were older to elderly, immediate eviction notices- out in one week or their stuff was getting thrown out into the street. These were tenants in good standing who hadn't broken their leases. One woman was charged that the building wasn't her primary residence so she was being tossed out even though the only other residence she had ever had had burned down years before. She refused to leave so her water and gas was shut off. He then filed fake non-payment charges against another, which were thrown out when they were able produce documentation of Trump's management company canceling his rent checks. So after that failed he filled the halls with garbage that attracted rats and roaches, which he then refused to have exterminated and told tenants they and their guests had to use the trash elevators to get into the building, including patients in a dentists office. He told the super to make absolutely no repairs. By the end it got so bad that tenants were able to provide pictures to the court of mushrooms growing out of the carpet in hallways. He then told the city and tenants that he was going to house de-institutionalized homeless in all the empty units in the building, which the city refused, on grounds of danger to tenants and his intention to tear the building down. He tried to do it anyway- in typical Trump fashion he said it was because he cared so much about the plight of the homeless. Suzanne Blackmer one of the tenants said in 1987: “He has such an ego, he wants to be Jesus. He wants to be Hitler. He wants to be the most powerful thing in the world.” When nothing would budge them Trump tried to sue the hold outs for extortion and his suit was dismissed with prejudice. They counter sued for harassment. The case was finally settled in 1998, when an appellate court ruled that Trump could turn the vacant apartments into condos and sell them, but the 51 remaining rent-regulated tenants could stay. Edit: And just because it's a fun, unrelated little tidbit I stumbled across when fact checking this with sources from the 80's here's a quote from the NYT March 9, 1985:
A recent profile in The Washington Post quoted him as saying he was ready to take on new, world-sized tasks - referring to his heretofore unrevealed wish to become the nation's negotiator on arms limitation with the Soviet Union. He says he's a master negotiator, and could do a better job on arms talks than ''the kind of representatives that I have seen in the past.'' Becoming an expert on nuclear weaponry would be easy, he said. ''It would take an hour and a half to learn everything there is to learn about missiles,'' he explained. ''I think I know most of it anyway. You're talking about just getting updated on a situation.'' Maybe Mr. Trump should take the afternoon off to study up on missiles and leave the tenants of 100 Central Park South alone. EDIT 2: First published as an Op-Ed column in The New York Times on June 4, 1983
NYT March 1985, NEW YORK; DOER AND SLUMLORD BOTH
NYT Feb, 1985, TRUMP EVICTION DISPUTE TAKEN TO STATE HEARING
NY Magazine , 1985 PG. 34 A Different Kind of Donald Trump Story: The Cold War on Central Park South
Metropolitan Council of Housing, April 2016 How Rent-Stabilized Tenants Foiled Donald Trump
NYT April 18, 2016 Tenants Thwarted Donald Trump’s Central Park Real Estate Ambition In Trump's defense (or rather to add some slightly mitigating context) a lot of really shitty real estate guys do try and pull stuff like this. Somewhat like when he was accused of racist housing practices by Clinton and he explained that it was the 80s and that everyone was doing it? He's literally a Marvel villain.
well, usually landlords just discriminate against poor people. the (c) thing was uniquely terrible.
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On September 30 2016 00:17 KwarK wrote:Show nested quote +On September 30 2016 00:15 ticklishmusic wrote:On September 30 2016 00:10 KwarK wrote:This is worth a read https://www.reddit.com/r/politics/comments/54xm65/i_sold_trump_100000_worth_of_pianos_then_he/d8611tvOh! I have one! No one has mentioned it at all that I've noticed during the race- maybe because it's so ridiculously moustache twirlingly awful that it barely seems real- but everyone I knew growing up in NYC thought of Trump as a fucking slumlord because of how he acted upon the acquisition of 100 Central Park South. So he bought this building in 1981 with the intention of tearing it down and building a luxury condo tower. Just one problem- the building was filled with rent stabilized tenants. In 1982 IN THE MIDDLE OF JANUARY he sent tenants, many of whom were older to elderly, immediate eviction notices- out in one week or their stuff was getting thrown out into the street. These were tenants in good standing who hadn't broken their leases. One woman was charged that the building wasn't her primary residence so she was being tossed out even though the only other residence she had ever had had burned down years before. She refused to leave so her water and gas was shut off. He then filed fake non-payment charges against another, which were thrown out when they were able produce documentation of Trump's management company canceling his rent checks. So after that failed he filled the halls with garbage that attracted rats and roaches, which he then refused to have exterminated and told tenants they and their guests had to use the trash elevators to get into the building, including patients in a dentists office. He told the super to make absolutely no repairs. By the end it got so bad that tenants were able to provide pictures to the court of mushrooms growing out of the carpet in hallways. He then told the city and tenants that he was going to house de-institutionalized homeless in all the empty units in the building, which the city refused, on grounds of danger to tenants and his intention to tear the building down. He tried to do it anyway- in typical Trump fashion he said it was because he cared so much about the plight of the homeless. Suzanne Blackmer one of the tenants said in 1987: “He has such an ego, he wants to be Jesus. He wants to be Hitler. He wants to be the most powerful thing in the world.” When nothing would budge them Trump tried to sue the hold outs for extortion and his suit was dismissed with prejudice. They counter sued for harassment. The case was finally settled in 1998, when an appellate court ruled that Trump could turn the vacant apartments into condos and sell them, but the 51 remaining rent-regulated tenants could stay. Edit: And just because it's a fun, unrelated little tidbit I stumbled across when fact checking this with sources from the 80's here's a quote from the NYT March 9, 1985:
A recent profile in The Washington Post quoted him as saying he was ready to take on new, world-sized tasks - referring to his heretofore unrevealed wish to become the nation's negotiator on arms limitation with the Soviet Union. He says he's a master negotiator, and could do a better job on arms talks than ''the kind of representatives that I have seen in the past.'' Becoming an expert on nuclear weaponry would be easy, he said. ''It would take an hour and a half to learn everything there is to learn about missiles,'' he explained. ''I think I know most of it anyway. You're talking about just getting updated on a situation.'' Maybe Mr. Trump should take the afternoon off to study up on missiles and leave the tenants of 100 Central Park South alone. EDIT 2: First published as an Op-Ed column in The New York Times on June 4, 1983
NYT March 1985, NEW YORK; DOER AND SLUMLORD BOTH
NYT Feb, 1985, TRUMP EVICTION DISPUTE TAKEN TO STATE HEARING
NY Magazine , 1985 PG. 34 A Different Kind of Donald Trump Story: The Cold War on Central Park South
Metropolitan Council of Housing, April 2016 How Rent-Stabilized Tenants Foiled Donald Trump
NYT April 18, 2016 Tenants Thwarted Donald Trump’s Central Park Real Estate Ambition In Trump's defense (or rather to add some slightly mitigating context) a lot of really shitty real estate guys do try and pull stuff like this. Somewhat like when he was accused of racist housing practices by Clinton and he explained that it was the 80s and that everyone was doing it? He's literally a Marvel villain.
The more I read, the more he seems like Kingpin 
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Oh, and in the context of Trump saying that he would be a better nuclear negotiator than any of the diplomats in the 80s, here is a transcript of him being told what the nuclear triad is and failing to understand.
Panelist Hugh Hewitt: “Mr. Trump, Dr. Carson just referenced the single most important job of the president, the command, the control and the care of our nuclear forces. And he mentioned the triad. The B-52s are older than I am. The missiles are old. The submarines are aging out. It’s an executive order. It’s a commander-in-chief decision.
What’s your priority among our nuclear triad?
Like the panelist literally says "the triad, by which I mean the B-52s, the missiles and the submarines".
Well, first of all, I think we need somebody absolutely that we can trust, who is totally responsible; who really knows what he or she is doing. That is so powerful and so important. And one of the things that I’m frankly most proud of is that in 2003, 2004, I was totally against going into Iraq because you’re going to destabilize the Middle East. I called it. I called it very strongly. And it was very important.
But we have to be extremely vigilant and extremely careful when it comes to nuclear. Nuclear changes the whole ball game. Frankly, I would have said get out of Syria; get out — if we didn’t have the power of weaponry today. The power is so massive that we can’t just leave areas that 50 years ago or 75 years ago we wouldn’t care. It was hand-to-hand combat.
The biggest problem this world has today is not President Obama with global warming, which is inconceivable, this is what he’s saying. The biggest problem we have is nuclear — nuclear proliferation and having some maniac, having some madman go out and get a nuclear weapon. That’s in my opinion, that is the single biggest problem that our country faces right now.
Of the three legs of the triad, though, do you have a priority? I want to go to Senator Rubio after that and ask him.
I think — I think, for me, nuclear is just the power, the devastation is very important to me.
Fun times.
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As a New Yorker, and remembering the above from Kwark, I refuse to vote for Trump.
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On September 29 2016 21:31 DickMcFanny wrote:Show nested quote +On September 29 2016 21:09 iPlaY.NettleS wrote:On September 29 2016 20:46 Laurens wrote:
Well, as a Libertarian, which would be your favorite, most-respected, foreign world leader?
Duterte of Phillipines Yeah, nothing screams Libertarian like a government killing 3500 or their own people (so far) outside of the law.
Technically, the government paid bounties for killing anyone suspected of being a drug dealer. They put the power of executions in the hands of the people and took it away from the oppressive state! Yay libertarianism!
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The New York attorney general's investigation of the Donald J. Trump Foundation appears to have broadened to include new allegations of self-dealing by Trump that surfaced after the probe began, TPM has learned.
The town of Palm Beach, Florida, has provided documents to the New York Attorney General's Office as part of the probe, a lawyer for the town confirmed to TPM on Wednesday. The documents relate to a legal dispute that Trump settled with the town using foundation money. The details of the 2007 Palm Beach case were first reported by the Washington Post last week.
"The New York Attorney General’s Office did contact me in regard to this matter," John Randolph, the Palm Beach town attorney, told TPM Wednesday evening. "I just sent them the documents that I had previously sent to the Washington Post."
New York Attorney General Eric Schneiderman had announced earlier this month, before the Washington Post's reporting on the Palm Beach case, that his office had opened an investigation into Trump Foundation after it was reported that Trump had used foundation money to buy personal gifts for himself.
The contact with Palm Beach by the Attorney General's Office suggests its probe had widened to include other alleged acts of self-dealing. The Attorney General's Office declined to comment Thursday.
The Palm Beach case was one of two cases reported on by the Post in which Trump or Trump-owned businesses settled legal disputes that didn't involve his foundation but that used foundation monies as part of the settlement.
In the the Palm Beach case, the ritzy Florida town had levied some $120,000 in fines against Trump's Mar-a-Lago resort for erecting an 80-foot flagpole that violated local rules limiting flagpole heights to 42 feet. Trump brought a lawsuit against the town, which was later settled with Trump donating $100,000 to a charity agreed upon by Palm Beach. Trump donated to the Fisher House -- a local veterans' organization -- but used money from the foundation rather than his own, in a practice experts say is blatant "self-dealing."
Self-dealing -- or the use of a charity's money to the personal benefit of one of its operators -- is a major no-no in charity world, and a violation of both state law in New York, where the Trump Foundation is registered, and IRS regulations, according to legal and tax experts.
In the second legal case reported on by the Washington Post last week, Trump used foundation money to settle a 2010 dispute over prize money in a hole-in-one contest at one of his golf courses. A man named Martin Greenberg had scored the hole-in-one at a charity event for Alonzo Mourning's charity held at Trump National Golf Club in Westchester County, New York. When Greenberg did not receive the $1 million promised for the shot, he sued the golf course, the Mourning charity, and the insurer for the prize money. The parties agreed on a $500,000 donation to a charity of Greenberg's choosing. A $158,000 donation was ultimately sent to the Martin Greenberg Foundation, but that contribution came from Trump Foundation, which has not received a donation from Trump himself since 2009.
TPM reached out to Greenberg's office Wednesday, but he has not yet responded to TPM's inquiry. The Mourning Family Foundation also has not responded to TPM's inquires.
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What do Tim Canola, Bernie Sanders, and Donald Trump all have in common?
They're up against a very weak establishment candidate but they manage to flub their chances by failing like a moron on "gimme" questions on foreign and domestic policy.
+ Show Spoiler +Trump of course still has a chance, but judging by the opinions I've heard after the debate Trump is bleeding undecideds right now and he shows no signs of change.
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Hmm, my hope to have a mini-debate with tl'ers as presidential candidates never got off the ground, I didn't do enough work to get it going I reckon. well, not worth doing a separate thread for one at this point; but i'm still a bit interested, so i'll do something a bit more ad-hoc.
anyone wanna take the job of moderator? and who else wanted to be in as a candidate (i'm a candidate).
We'll just do something small in the thread, unless there's no interest at all.
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On September 29 2016 21:10 OuchyDathurts wrote:Show nested quote +On September 29 2016 21:09 iPlaY.NettleS wrote:On September 29 2016 20:46 Laurens wrote:
Well, as a Libertarian, which would be your favorite, most-respected, foreign world leader?
I'd say Orban of Hungary or Duterte of Phillipines since they actually legit care about the people living in their countries. Bonus points to Duterte for threatening to leave the UN. Also whoever was leading Iceland when they actually jailed bankers. Legit care about the people in their countries by having theme executed with no trial. Truly the pinnacle of liberty.
Come on man, don't you remember a few pages ago? Those aren't "the people". Those are "the vermin".
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Sen. Marco Rubio (R-FL) said in a Thursday interview that Donald Trump will have to “answer some questions” about a Newsweek report alleging one of his companies broke the Cuban trade embargo in 1998.
“This is something they’re going to have to give a response to. I mean, it was a violation of American law, if that’s how it happened,” he said on the ESPN/ABC Capital Games podcast. “I hope the Trump campaign is going to come forward and answer some questions about this, because if what the article says is true — and I’m not saying that it is, we don’t know with a hundred percent certainty — I’d be deeply concerned about it. I would.”
Rubio endorsed Trump in May, three weeks before announcing he would seek re-election to the U.S. Senate. When Rubio and Trump competed in the Republican presidential primary in the Sunshine State, Trump won the popular vote in every county except Miami-Dade, the most populous in the state and home to a large Cuban-American population.
After President Barack Obama called for an end to the Cuban embargo in March, Rubio, then still a candidate for the Republican nomination for president, said he would "absolutely" roll back Obama’s actions towards normalizing relations with Cuba if elected.
“We could have used, and can use, economic sanctions through the embargo as a leverage to gain democratic concessions and openings for the Cuban people in exchange for alleviating some of these conditions,” Rubio said at the time, saying he thought the Obama administration was “in violation of the law” for acting without Congressional approval.
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Rubio hopping in certainly adds some spice. I'd be comfortable saying this is now officially an issue. Does anyone have an idea as to how well Hilary and/or the Clinton's as a whole are viewed by Cubans? I can see this thing with Trump turning a lot of Cubans off. But I also know that older Cubans tend to be more conservative and are likely not fans of Clinton's stance on abortion.
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I can't help but wonder if there's an official method for a party to purge a candiate found to have pretty much committed treason. Not that they would, obviously.
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On September 30 2016 00:13 LegalLord wrote:Show nested quote +On September 29 2016 23:36 KwarK wrote:On September 29 2016 20:03 Laurens wrote:On September 29 2016 20:00 Dan HH wrote:On September 29 2016 19:52 zatic wrote:On September 29 2016 19:19 iPlaY.NettleS wrote:
Just watched the clip of Gary Johnson with Chris Matthews where Johnson couldn't name one foreign leader.
I let the guy off for the Aleppo incident but this is far worse. https://twitter.com/ianbremmer/status/781443927027122176This is just unreal ... Holy shit I did not expect it to be this bad, it's even worse than Nettle made it sound Not really. The question wasn't "name some foreign leaders". It was "who's your favorite foreign leader" with the extra condition that he had to be living. He wanted to answer the former president of Mexico, but forgot the name. Forgetting 1 guy's name is not worse than "couldn't name one foreign leader" lol, that's just Nettles changing facts like he often does. I'm not too up on my Mexican politicians but wasn't there a President Fox? How do you forget Fox? Who could forget Vicente "Mexico isn't paying for that fucking wall" Fox?
This reminds me of how Palin said "all of them" to the question of which newspaper she reads. I could sleep at night with the Aleppo gaff, but to not be able to name a single political leader in the entire world that he likes or respects? Get out.
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On September 30 2016 03:08 TheTenthDoc wrote:
I can't help but wonder if there's an official method for a party to purge a candiate found to have pretty much committed treason. Not that they would, obviously.
while I haven't read the details, I don't think it comes anywhere close to treason.
That sounds like excessive rhetoric.
I don't recall there being an official method, from prior discussions on the topic; and convictions in a criminal court would take too long to happen before election anyways.
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