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TheTenthDoc
United States9561 Posts
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iPlaY.NettleS
Australia4461 Posts
On September 29 2016 21:50 Rebs wrote: I like how all of that stuff was done by republican Governments and you only mentioned Clinton sanctions.. I was differentiating between deaths caused by war and deaths caused by sanction. Very little difference in war policy now between the major parties. Yes, Iraq and Afghanistan were undertaken by Bush.Libya was undertaken by Obama as was this ridiculous "moderate rebel" funding going on in Syria with some insane desire to topple Assad, because toppling leaders worked out so well in Libya, Egypt, Iraq.The bombing of the doctors without borders hospital last year.The bombing of the Syrian army last week during a 'cease fire'.Both sides of the political divide are guilty of war crimes! | ||
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Rebs
Pakistan10726 Posts
On September 29 2016 21:57 iPlaY.NettleS wrote: I was differentiating between deaths caused by war and deaths caused by sanction. Very little difference in war policy now between the major parties. Yes, Iraq and Afghanistan were undertaken by Bush.Libya was undertaken by Obama as was this ridiculous "moderate rebel" funding going on in Syria with some insane desire to topple Assad, because toppling leaders worked out so well in Libya, Egypt, Iraq.The bombing of the doctors without borders hospital last year.The bombing of the Syrian army last week during a 'cease fire'.Both sides of the political divide are guilty of war crimes! Oh im not telling you american FP isnt a disaster, I agree with you, but its a pretty consistent disaster, I just find it funny that you are making light of the role of conservatives and instead seem so on pointing out the Clintons and Obama. Almost like everything tha teven the republicans did was their fault. | ||
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KOFgokuon
United States14912 Posts
On September 29 2016 21:57 TheTenthDoc wrote: Do people think this illegally violating the Cuban trade embargo then talking about how bad it is to violate the Cuban trade embargo to a bunch of Cubans in Florida seven months later will break Trump's numbers in the state? Or does this story not have legs/they already weren't going to vote for him? certainly possible, if it can be verified. That's a huge voting bloc on a swing state | ||
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Broetchenholer
Germany1970 Posts
On September 29 2016 21:36 iPlaY.NettleS wrote: You can't have free movement/mass immigration and a welfare safety net. Europe is starting to figure this basic fact out. Johnson obviously believes in no welfare safety net. Since Europe is so far down the welfare state line they need strong borders. Why not? You do realize, that there is a fundamental difference between refugees and immigrants, right? Immigrants in Germany come from EU Countries and should they lose their jobs can get social security in form of monthly Arbeitslosengeld as well as some other services the same way as german workers as well.Reason for that is, those people get here and want to work. They are doing jobs that germans don't want to do or fill spots that Germany currently don't have enough experts on. As far as i can tell (from this: http://www.bpb.de/nachschlagen/zahlen-und-fakten/europa/70593/erwerbstaetigkeit-nach-staatsangehoerigkeit-und-geschlecht) they are less likely to have a job, but i can't tell if those numbers actually say this. Then there are refugees who can stay here because we believe they are in danger in their homeland. Those get social security but have to return once the danger is gone. This has nothing to do with the welfare state, this is a commitment to humanity. Having a welfare safety net and open borders and mass immigration are probably the only thing that will allow countries like germany to still have welfare in a few years. | ||
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Acrofales
Spain18487 Posts
On September 29 2016 20:00 Laurens wrote: The other guy naming Merkel is almost as bad imo. Then again, I'd struggle to name someone. Would probably pick Obama, obviously that wasn't an option here. Could name Trudeau. Basically Canada's Obama  And naming Merkel is not bad. While she's not popular anymore, she is still seen as a strong capable leader from abroad. If you had asked me, I would probably have said Merkel too (assuming I couldn't say Obama). Maybe Evo Morales (up til about 3 years ago). But in addition to his answer, he could also name Vicente Fox based on Johnson's "the former Mexican president" mumble. Showing he at least has the knowledge, if not the judgement Btw, Merkel is not a bad answer, because she's nowhere near the shit-grade category. That would have answering with people like: Mugabe, Kim Jong-Un, Al-Sisi, Assad (if he was really having an Aleppo moment), Maduro or Erdogan. | ||
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ticklishmusic
United States15977 Posts
On September 29 2016 21:57 TheTenthDoc wrote: Do people think this illegally violating the Cuban trade embargo then talking about how bad it is to violate the Cuban trade embargo to a bunch of Cubans in Florida seven months later will break Trump's numbers in the state? Or does this story not have legs/they already weren't going to vote for him? Poor Ted, endorses Trump and then this comes out | ||
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Mohdoo
United States15743 Posts
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Plansix
United States60190 Posts
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Plansix
United States60190 Posts
On September 29 2016 22:50 Mohdoo wrote: Hard to tell right now, but if this Cuba thing ends up panning out, it could be enormous in Florida, perhaps enough to tip the scales. At the moment, i predict trump holding florida. The recent polls coming out of that state have Clinton up. More are needed, but that state is overflowing with undecided, independent voters. | ||
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Dan HH
Romania9255 Posts
A New Jersey Transit train derailed and crashed through the station in Hoboken, New Jersey during the morning rush hour on Thursday and ABC News reported that more than 100 people were injured and multiple passengers were trapped. Dramatic pictures posted by commuters showed a train carriage that appeared to have smashed right through the station concourse, collapsing a section of the roof, scattering debris and wreckage and causing devastation. Hoboken lies on the west bank of the Hudson River across from New York City. Its station, one of the busiest in the metropolitan area, is used by many commuters traveling into Manhattan from New Jersey and further afield. ABC News said on its website that New Jersey's emergency management system was reporting more than 100 people were injured, and that New Jersey Transit was reporting multiple passengers were trapped. [...] http://www.reuters.com/article/us-new-jersey-traincrash-idUSKCN11Z1RA | ||
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{CC}StealthBlue
United States41117 Posts
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Acrofales
Spain18487 Posts
1. Blame Google for search result tampering (and blame the moderator too, but that was expected). 2. Scold aides for admitting he could have done better in the debate in which he imploded about 40 minutes into a 90 minute debate. 3. Children complain the presidential campaign is bad for business. | ||
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Mohdoo
United States15743 Posts
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Plansix
United States60190 Posts
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ticklishmusic
United States15977 Posts
Maybe it's time to bring in campaign manager number 4. Seems like every time the Donald screws up his kids make sure that the campaign manager falls on the sword, fairly or not. | ||
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Plansix
United States60190 Posts
On September 29 2016 23:09 Mohdoo wrote: It is interesting to see how the effects of Trump's debate performance are not being confined to the debate itself. There is now the effect of Trump's perceptions and responses to the debate going poorly. Similar to the hole the dug himself into with the Khan family, it is his insecurity that is making him feel like he needs to set things straight. He can't just walk away defeated by something. He starts doing weird shit to convince himself things aren't as bad as they look. You can watch Clinton get under his skin the instant she says his father gave him a loan and bailed him out. It snowballs from there with each accusation that he refuses to address or simply doubles down on. But you can tell he can’t with anyone telling him he isn’t some self made man. The part when Clinton brought up the he quote about Ms. Universe, he responded with “Where did you get that?”. He completely underestimated Clinton's ability to dig up every person that he has ever cheated, insulted or swindled and wrap them all up into nice little packages to present to the public. | ||
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Mohdoo
United States15743 Posts
On September 29 2016 23:14 ticklishmusic wrote: Conway and co. might get Trump out the positive feedback loop a little quicker, though it seems that they may have lost credibility with Trump (even its unfairly) since he's blaming them for his terrible performance. The NYT had an interesting article about how Trump has had such a wide variety of advice for the debate that nothing ever really settled. He's got people like Flynn, Giuliani, his kids, and the media crew all likely with a different perspective. In the end, he's just extremely unrefined. What I think is a much bigger deal for him, however, is the fact that Clinton simply doesn't do poorly. At worst, she'll do decently. Trump's attempts to get under her skin made her look like a sociopath (well, lol). It was like nothing he said mattered at all. I feel like his only shot at getting under her skin will be something like Bill's affairs. But that would be a disaster for Trump. Trying to shame a woman for her husband's indiscretions would be miserably bad for him. So all he can really hope for is to tie with her. But his "debate style" only really works in a binary way. You either body slam a debate or end up looking like a ranting lunatic. In a 2 person debate, he's simply not able to do what he did when the stage was much larger. | ||
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{CC}StealthBlue
United States41117 Posts
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KwarK
United States44417 Posts
On September 29 2016 20:03 Laurens wrote: Not really. The question wasn't "name some foreign leaders". It was "who's your favorite foreign leader" with the extra condition that he had to be living. He wanted to answer the former president of Mexico, but forgot the name. Forgetting 1 guy's name is not worse than "couldn't name one foreign leader" lol, that's just Nettles changing facts like he often does. I'm not too up on my Mexican politicians but wasn't there a President Fox? How do you forget Fox? | ||
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