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The classic "reverse racism is worse than actual racism"?
On September 23 2016 10:34 Amarok wrote: What specific parts of the system are racist?
Policing poor/minority areas compared to white areas. Profiling. Arrest rates for drug offenses by race when all races use drugs at the same rate. Sentencing for the same crimes between races. Shootings by police. Apparent gun rights. Everything down the board, take your pick. The deck is stacked against minorities, especially blacks.
White people don't have to have "the talk" with their kids. EVERY parent of a black child, even if that child is adopted and the parents are white as the pure driven snow, has to have that conversation with their child. If the system is working properly and actually just you don't need to have that talk with your kid because you're terrified of what might happen if they have an interaction with police.
I know a very rich successful black man who gets pulled over for driving while black all the time. He's a black man in too nice of a car, cops don't like that. He's upstanding, he's worth millions and yet he STILL gets pulled over because the system is racist. That shit really happens all day everyday to black people. He grew up in Arkansas during the civil rights era. He moved to Minnesota to get away from the bullshit he grew up in. Even in the progressive northern state of MN he can't get away from the cancerous system. Move from the south to the north, go to college, become rich and successful, still get treated like a criminal for driving. The system is hosed bro.
On September 23 2016 10:20 Doodsmack wrote: Personally I think Michael Brown's cop was most likely justified given the bullet evidence. In other cases like one in Cincinnati or Cleveland I think where a university cop shot the guy point blank, it's clearly the cop's fault. But white cop and black death does not always mean the white cop is at fault.
I suppose some people might jump to that conclusion, but most of the discussion I've seen about the contentious shootings recently has centered pretty clearly on the questionable circumstances of said shootings: that the victim did not seem to pose a threat to the officers, that they were already incapacitated before they were killed, etc. Most of the outrage, from what I can tell, has stemmed from the fact that the victims of these cases usually aren't armed (I forget now whether Michael Brown was armed; I think he wasn't but the officer thought he was going to attack him?). The whole issue emerged because it seemed like this was something that happened disproportionately to black individuals, not because black individuals were predisposed to blame white cops whenever a shooting occurred.
On September 23 2016 09:51 Doodsmack wrote: People do need to start seeing more nuance in these police shootings. If this guy in Charlotte had a gun, it's pretty clear the cop was justified.
What even is the Second Amendment? Americans are allowed guns, even the black ones. Pointing one at a cop is another matter but I'm always amazed at the way the right try to make it about whether or not he had a gun and the left agree to play that game by those rules. We all collectively concede that gun ownership isn't a black right and that the Second Amendment isn't worth shit in the eyes of the police.
There is a difference between the right to own a gun, and raising your hands with a gun in them when a cop is telling you to "drop the gun". Not saying that happened here, but that there is a world of difference between the right to own a gun and holding a gun while engaging with a cop, in a manner the latter might consider threathening.
Also, it was a black victim shoot by a black cop, with a black head of police department. So why is this a racial thing again?
Hi, this is your daily reminder that black people don't have a superpower that prevents them from learning any racism while growing up and living in a society with entrenched racism. It'd actually be really weird if they could do that. But, despite claims to the contrary by GG and xDaunt, black people are actually human.
Also I wasn't referring to this specific incident, just commenting on the way gun ownership in the black community is seen as a deciding factor for police shootings, even though it's a constitutional right.
I think at this point, white people feel racism too.
Especially with the rise of BLM.
And teachers these days are guilt tripping their white students.
I mean that's not at all what a healthy society should be like.
No. You're wrong and so is everything you believe.
It is not impossible to be racist against white people, but comparing the "culture" of racism against white people to the "culture" of racism against black people without considering the comparative magnitudes of racism displayed is not a good argument.
On September 23 2016 09:51 Doodsmack wrote: People do need to start seeing more nuance in these police shootings. If this guy in Charlotte had a gun, it's pretty clear the cop was justified.
What even is the Second Amendment? Americans are allowed guns, even the black ones. Pointing one at a cop is another matter but I'm always amazed at the way the right try to make it about whether or not he had a gun and the left agree to play that game by those rules. We all collectively concede that gun ownership isn't a black right and that the Second Amendment isn't worth shit in the eyes of the police.
There is a difference between the right to own a gun, and raising your hands with a gun in them when a cop is telling you to "drop the gun". Not saying that happened here, but that there is a world of difference between the right to own a gun and holding a gun while engaging with a cop, in a manner the latter might consider threathening.
Also, it was a black victim shoot by a black cop, with a black head of police department. So why is this a racial thing again?
Hi, this is your daily reminder that black people don't have a superpower that prevents them from learning any racism while growing up and living in a society with entrenched racism. It'd actually be really weird if they could do that. But, despite claims to the contrary by GG and xDaunt, black people are actually human.
Also I wasn't referring to this specific incident, just commenting on the way gun ownership in the black community is seen as a deciding factor for police shootings, even though it's a constitutional right.
I think at this point, white people feel racism too.
Especially with the rise of BLM.
And teachers these days are guilt tripping their white students.
I mean that's not at all what a healthy society should be like.
No. You're wrong and so is everything you believe.
If anyone's really concerned about reverse racism, let's remember that causing white people to feel guilty about racial privilege is not reverse racism. That's just what sometimes happens when you try to talk about how race has been used to empower some (what we call "privilege") and disempower others. If you want to say that that's reverse racism, you're implying that bringing up issues of race is inherently "racist against white people." But that's a weird claim to make. Like, are we really oppressing white students when we educate them about Martin Luther King Jr.? That doesn't seem like an accurate account of what's going on there. And it doesn't explain how an individual's life prospects may be influenced by their racial identity.
On September 23 2016 09:51 Doodsmack wrote: People do need to start seeing more nuance in these police shootings. If this guy in Charlotte had a gun, it's pretty clear the cop was justified.
What even is the Second Amendment? Americans are allowed guns, even the black ones. Pointing one at a cop is another matter but I'm always amazed at the way the right try to make it about whether or not he had a gun and the left agree to play that game by those rules. We all collectively concede that gun ownership isn't a black right and that the Second Amendment isn't worth shit in the eyes of the police.
There is a difference between the right to own a gun, and raising your hands with a gun in them when a cop is telling you to "drop the gun". Not saying that happened here, but that there is a world of difference between the right to own a gun and holding a gun while engaging with a cop, in a manner the latter might consider threathening.
Also, it was a black victim shoot by a black cop, with a black head of police department. So why is this a racial thing again?
It's a way of blaming white people in perpetuity and feeding off the division to get people in power in government, and as lackeys of government, for their own benefit, rather than addressing the root problems.
On September 23 2016 09:51 Doodsmack wrote: People do need to start seeing more nuance in these police shootings. If this guy in Charlotte had a gun, it's pretty clear the cop was justified.
What even is the Second Amendment? Americans are allowed guns, even the black ones. Pointing one at a cop is another matter but I'm always amazed at the way the right try to make it about whether or not he had a gun and the left agree to play that game by those rules. We all collectively concede that gun ownership isn't a black right and that the Second Amendment isn't worth shit in the eyes of the police.
There is a difference between the right to own a gun, and raising your hands with a gun in them when a cop is telling you to "drop the gun". Not saying that happened here, but that there is a world of difference between the right to own a gun and holding a gun while engaging with a cop, in a manner the latter might consider threathening.
Also, it was a black victim shoot by a black cop, with a black head of police department. So why is this a racial thing again?
Hi, this is your daily reminder that black people don't have a superpower that prevents them from learning any racism while growing up and living in a society with entrenched racism. It'd actually be really weird if they could do that. But, despite claims to the contrary by GG and xDaunt, black people are actually human.
Also I wasn't referring to this specific incident, just commenting on the way gun ownership in the black community is seen as a deciding factor for police shootings, even though it's a constitutional right.
I think at this point, white people feel racism too.
Especially with the rise of BLM.
And teachers these days are guilt tripping their white students.
I mean that's not at all what a healthy society should be like.
Do you have a source for the teachers thing? I thought that was in the UK but I don't remember.
On September 23 2016 10:20 Doodsmack wrote: Personally I think Michael Brown's cop was most likely justified given the bullet evidence. In other cases like one in Cincinnati or Cleveland I think where a university cop shot the guy point blank, it's clearly the cop's fault. But white cop and black death does not always mean the white cop is at fault.
I suppose some people might jump to that conclusion, but most of the discussion I've seen about the contentious shootings recently has centered pretty clearly on the questionable circumstances of said shootings: that the victim did not seem to pose a threat to the officers, that they were already incapacitated before they were killed, etc. Most of the outrage, from what I can tell, has stemmed from the fact that the victims of these cases usually aren't armed (I forget now whether Michael Brown was armed; I think he wasn't but the officer thought he was going to attack him?). The whole issue emerged because it seemed like this was something that happened disproportionately to black individuals, not because black individuals were predisposed to blame white cops whenever a shooting occurred.
Yeah I guess my point is pretty limited but I just don't think the cop as an individual should get charged or villified if he/she is not at fault. And I think that was the case with Michael Brown. And in those cases, I'm not sure there should be riots in that city. I guess if there's a systemic problem, that's one thing, but then there should be riots everywhere. I don't think it benefits anyone for there to be riots and demonstrations in a case where the cop isn't at fault.
On September 23 2016 09:51 Doodsmack wrote: People do need to start seeing more nuance in these police shootings. If this guy in Charlotte had a gun, it's pretty clear the cop was justified.
What even is the Second Amendment? Americans are allowed guns, even the black ones. Pointing one at a cop is another matter but I'm always amazed at the way the right try to make it about whether or not he had a gun and the left agree to play that game by those rules. We all collectively concede that gun ownership isn't a black right and that the Second Amendment isn't worth shit in the eyes of the police.
There is a difference between the right to own a gun, and raising your hands with a gun in them when a cop is telling you to "drop the gun". Not saying that happened here, but that there is a world of difference between the right to own a gun and holding a gun while engaging with a cop, in a manner the latter might consider threathening.
Also, it was a black victim shoot by a black cop, with a black head of police department. So why is this a racial thing again?
It's a way of blaming white people in perpetuity and feeding off the division to get people in power in government, and as lackeys of government, for their own benefit, rather than addressing the root problems.
On September 23 2016 09:51 Doodsmack wrote: People do need to start seeing more nuance in these police shootings. If this guy in Charlotte had a gun, it's pretty clear the cop was justified.
What even is the Second Amendment? Americans are allowed guns, even the black ones. Pointing one at a cop is another matter but I'm always amazed at the way the right try to make it about whether or not he had a gun and the left agree to play that game by those rules. We all collectively concede that gun ownership isn't a black right and that the Second Amendment isn't worth shit in the eyes of the police.
There is a difference between the right to own a gun, and raising your hands with a gun in them when a cop is telling you to "drop the gun". Not saying that happened here, but that there is a world of difference between the right to own a gun and holding a gun while engaging with a cop, in a manner the latter might consider threathening.
Also, it was a black victim shoot by a black cop, with a black head of police department. So why is this a racial thing again?
Hi, this is your daily reminder that black people don't have a superpower that prevents them from learning any racism while growing up and living in a society with entrenched racism. It'd actually be really weird if they could do that. But, despite claims to the contrary by GG and xDaunt, black people are actually human.
Also I wasn't referring to this specific incident, just commenting on the way gun ownership in the black community is seen as a deciding factor for police shootings, even though it's a constitutional right.
I think at this point, white people feel racism too.
Especially with the rise of BLM.
And teachers these days are guilt tripping their white students.
I mean that's not at all what a healthy society should be like.
Do you have a source for the teachers thing? I thought that was in the UK but I don't remember.
Scattered schools, sometimes even with believable good intentions:
An elite Manhattan school is teaching white students as young as 6 that they’re born racist and should feel guilty benefiting from “white privilege,” while heaping praise and cupcakes on their black peers.
Administrators at the Bank Street School for Children on the Upper West Side claim it’s a novel approach to fighting discrimination, and that several other private New York schools are doing it, but even liberal parents aren’t buying it.
They complain the K-8 school of 430 kids is separating whites in classes where they’re made to feel awful about their “whiteness,” and all the “kids of color” in other rooms where they’re taught to feel proud about their race and are rewarded with treats and other privileges.
“Ever since Ferguson, the school has been increasing anti-white propaganda in its curriculum,” said a parent who requested anonymity because he has children currently enrolled in the school.
A Wisconsin high school is under fire after a parent accused a diversity class of promoting a critical race theory, alleging that students are being taught that minorities are disadvantaged by white oppressors, Fox News reports.
Delavan-Darien High School’s “American Diversity” course aims to help students “better understand oneself and recognize how feelings, ideas and beliefs interact with the ideas and beliefs of other individuals and groups,” according to the school’s website. By studying American society through the connections among culture, ethnicity, race, religion and gender issues, the course seeks to “create a more accurate picture of modern America.”
But an unnamed parent tells Fox News that assignments and class worksheets seem like “indoctrination.” A handout gives students a definition of “white privilege,” which appears to be taken from a book by the same name:
To put it charitably, some teachers think it's an appropriate way to introduce children to the topic of race and discrimination. I remember another school district that implemented a curriculum from an activist group on the issue, but it was protested and probably withdrawn.
On September 23 2016 10:20 Doodsmack wrote: Personally I think Michael Brown's cop was most likely justified given the bullet evidence. In other cases like one in Cincinnati or Cleveland I think where a university cop shot the guy point blank, it's clearly the cop's fault. But white cop and black death does not always mean the white cop is at fault.
I suppose some people might jump to that conclusion, but most of the discussion I've seen about the contentious shootings recently has centered pretty clearly on the questionable circumstances of said shootings: that the victim did not seem to pose a threat to the officers, that they were already incapacitated before they were killed, etc. Most of the outrage, from what I can tell, has stemmed from the fact that the victims of these cases usually aren't armed (I forget now whether Michael Brown was armed; I think he wasn't but the officer thought he was going to attack him?). The whole issue emerged because it seemed like this was something that happened disproportionately to black individuals, not because black individuals were predisposed to blame white cops whenever a shooting occurred.
Yeah I guess my point is pretty limited but I just don't think the cop as an individual should get charged or villified if he/she is not at fault. And I think that was the case with Michael Brown. And in those cases, I'm not sure there should be riots in that city. I guess if there's a systemic problem, that's one thing, but then there should be riots everywhere. I don't think it benefits anyone for there to be riots and demonstrations in a case where the cop isn't at fault.
Keeping the cases of not justified/at fault from justified/not at fault would do the movement quite a bit of good. From the star and even greater now, the only question is if the deceased was black and armed and if the shooter was a cop.
On September 23 2016 09:51 Doodsmack wrote: People do need to start seeing more nuance in these police shootings. If this guy in Charlotte had a gun, it's pretty clear the cop was justified.
What even is the Second Amendment? Americans are allowed guns, even the black ones. Pointing one at a cop is another matter but I'm always amazed at the way the right try to make it about whether or not he had a gun and the left agree to play that game by those rules. We all collectively concede that gun ownership isn't a black right and that the Second Amendment isn't worth shit in the eyes of the police.
There is a difference between the right to own a gun, and raising your hands with a gun in them when a cop is telling you to "drop the gun". Not saying that happened here, but that there is a world of difference between the right to own a gun and holding a gun while engaging with a cop, in a manner the latter might consider threathening.
Also, it was a black victim shoot by a black cop, with a black head of police department. So why is this a racial thing again?
It's a way of blaming white people in perpetuity and feeding off the division to get people in power in government, and as lackeys of government, for their own benefit, rather than addressing the root problems.
On September 23 2016 10:37 RealityIsKing wrote:
On September 23 2016 10:20 KwarK wrote:
On September 23 2016 10:05 GoTuNk! wrote:
On September 23 2016 09:58 KwarK wrote:
On September 23 2016 09:51 Doodsmack wrote: People do need to start seeing more nuance in these police shootings. If this guy in Charlotte had a gun, it's pretty clear the cop was justified.
What even is the Second Amendment? Americans are allowed guns, even the black ones. Pointing one at a cop is another matter but I'm always amazed at the way the right try to make it about whether or not he had a gun and the left agree to play that game by those rules. We all collectively concede that gun ownership isn't a black right and that the Second Amendment isn't worth shit in the eyes of the police.
There is a difference between the right to own a gun, and raising your hands with a gun in them when a cop is telling you to "drop the gun". Not saying that happened here, but that there is a world of difference between the right to own a gun and holding a gun while engaging with a cop, in a manner the latter might consider threathening.
Also, it was a black victim shoot by a black cop, with a black head of police department. So why is this a racial thing again?
Hi, this is your daily reminder that black people don't have a superpower that prevents them from learning any racism while growing up and living in a society with entrenched racism. It'd actually be really weird if they could do that. But, despite claims to the contrary by GG and xDaunt, black people are actually human.
Also I wasn't referring to this specific incident, just commenting on the way gun ownership in the black community is seen as a deciding factor for police shootings, even though it's a constitutional right.
I think at this point, white people feel racism too.
Especially with the rise of BLM.
And teachers these days are guilt tripping their white students.
I mean that's not at all what a healthy society should be like.
Do you have a source for the teachers thing? I thought that was in the UK but I don't remember.
Scattered schools, sometimes even with believable good intentions:
An elite Manhattan school is teaching white students as young as 6 that they’re born racist and should feel guilty benefiting from “white privilege,” while heaping praise and cupcakes on their black peers.
Administrators at the Bank Street School for Children on the Upper West Side claim it’s a novel approach to fighting discrimination, and that several other private New York schools are doing it, but even liberal parents aren’t buying it.
They complain the K-8 school of 430 kids is separating whites in classes where they’re made to feel awful about their “whiteness,” and all the “kids of color” in other rooms where they’re taught to feel proud about their race and are rewarded with treats and other privileges.
“Ever since Ferguson, the school has been increasing anti-white propaganda in its curriculum,” said a parent who requested anonymity because he has children currently enrolled in the school.
A Wisconsin high school is under fire after a parent accused a diversity class of promoting a critical race theory, alleging that students are being taught that minorities are disadvantaged by white oppressors, Fox News reports.
Delavan-Darien High School’s “American Diversity” course aims to help students “better understand oneself and recognize how feelings, ideas and beliefs interact with the ideas and beliefs of other individuals and groups,” according to the school’s website. By studying American society through the connections among culture, ethnicity, race, religion and gender issues, the course seeks to “create a more accurate picture of modern America.”
But an unnamed parent tells Fox News that assignments and class worksheets seem like “indoctrination.” A handout gives students a definition of “white privilege,” which appears to be taken from a book by the same name:
To put it charitably, some teachers think it's an appropriate way to introduce children to the topic of race and discrimination. I remember another school district that implemented a curriculum from an activist group on the issue, but it was protested and probably withdrawn.
^When you're mad the kids don't get the quality education in white supremacy they used to.
On September 23 2016 09:51 Doodsmack wrote: People do need to start seeing more nuance in these police shootings. If this guy in Charlotte had a gun, it's pretty clear the cop was justified.
What even is the Second Amendment? Americans are allowed guns, even the black ones. Pointing one at a cop is another matter but I'm always amazed at the way the right try to make it about whether or not he had a gun and the left agree to play that game by those rules. We all collectively concede that gun ownership isn't a black right and that the Second Amendment isn't worth shit in the eyes of the police.
There is a difference between the right to own a gun, and raising your hands with a gun in them when a cop is telling you to "drop the gun". Not saying that happened here, but that there is a world of difference between the right to own a gun and holding a gun while engaging with a cop, in a manner the latter might consider threathening.
Also, it was a black victim shoot by a black cop, with a black head of police department. So why is this a racial thing again?
It's a way of blaming white people in perpetuity and feeding off the division to get people in power in government, and as lackeys of government, for their own benefit, rather than addressing the root problems.
On September 23 2016 10:37 RealityIsKing wrote:
On September 23 2016 10:20 KwarK wrote:
On September 23 2016 10:05 GoTuNk! wrote:
On September 23 2016 09:58 KwarK wrote:
On September 23 2016 09:51 Doodsmack wrote: People do need to start seeing more nuance in these police shootings. If this guy in Charlotte had a gun, it's pretty clear the cop was justified.
What even is the Second Amendment? Americans are allowed guns, even the black ones. Pointing one at a cop is another matter but I'm always amazed at the way the right try to make it about whether or not he had a gun and the left agree to play that game by those rules. We all collectively concede that gun ownership isn't a black right and that the Second Amendment isn't worth shit in the eyes of the police.
There is a difference between the right to own a gun, and raising your hands with a gun in them when a cop is telling you to "drop the gun". Not saying that happened here, but that there is a world of difference between the right to own a gun and holding a gun while engaging with a cop, in a manner the latter might consider threathening.
Also, it was a black victim shoot by a black cop, with a black head of police department. So why is this a racial thing again?
Hi, this is your daily reminder that black people don't have a superpower that prevents them from learning any racism while growing up and living in a society with entrenched racism. It'd actually be really weird if they could do that. But, despite claims to the contrary by GG and xDaunt, black people are actually human.
Also I wasn't referring to this specific incident, just commenting on the way gun ownership in the black community is seen as a deciding factor for police shootings, even though it's a constitutional right.
I think at this point, white people feel racism too.
Especially with the rise of BLM.
And teachers these days are guilt tripping their white students.
I mean that's not at all what a healthy society should be like.
Do you have a source for the teachers thing? I thought that was in the UK but I don't remember.
Scattered schools, sometimes even with believable good intentions:
An elite Manhattan school is teaching white students as young as 6 that they’re born racist and should feel guilty benefiting from “white privilege,” while heaping praise and cupcakes on their black peers.
Administrators at the Bank Street School for Children on the Upper West Side claim it’s a novel approach to fighting discrimination, and that several other private New York schools are doing it, but even liberal parents aren’t buying it.
They complain the K-8 school of 430 kids is separating whites in classes where they’re made to feel awful about their “whiteness,” and all the “kids of color” in other rooms where they’re taught to feel proud about their race and are rewarded with treats and other privileges.
“Ever since Ferguson, the school has been increasing anti-white propaganda in its curriculum,” said a parent who requested anonymity because he has children currently enrolled in the school.
A Wisconsin high school is under fire after a parent accused a diversity class of promoting a critical race theory, alleging that students are being taught that minorities are disadvantaged by white oppressors, Fox News reports.
Delavan-Darien High School’s “American Diversity” course aims to help students “better understand oneself and recognize how feelings, ideas and beliefs interact with the ideas and beliefs of other individuals and groups,” according to the school’s website. By studying American society through the connections among culture, ethnicity, race, religion and gender issues, the course seeks to “create a more accurate picture of modern America.”
But an unnamed parent tells Fox News that assignments and class worksheets seem like “indoctrination.” A handout gives students a definition of “white privilege,” which appears to be taken from a book by the same name:
To put it charitably, some teachers think it's an appropriate way to introduce children to the topic of race and discrimination. I remember another school district that implemented a curriculum from an activist group on the issue, but it was protested and probably withdrawn.
^When you're mad the kids don't get the quality education in white supremacy they used to.
On September 23 2016 09:51 Doodsmack wrote: People do need to start seeing more nuance in these police shootings. If this guy in Charlotte had a gun, it's pretty clear the cop was justified.
What even is the Second Amendment? Americans are allowed guns, even the black ones. Pointing one at a cop is another matter but I'm always amazed at the way the right try to make it about whether or not he had a gun and the left agree to play that game by those rules. We all collectively concede that gun ownership isn't a black right and that the Second Amendment isn't worth shit in the eyes of the police.
There is a difference between the right to own a gun, and raising your hands with a gun in them when a cop is telling you to "drop the gun". Not saying that happened here, but that there is a world of difference between the right to own a gun and holding a gun while engaging with a cop, in a manner the latter might consider threathening.
Also, it was a black victim shoot by a black cop, with a black head of police department. So why is this a racial thing again?
You are fully aware black people can be racist, oppressive, and subjugate their own right? Police policy and the criminal justice system is racist across the board, in the entire country, every city, every county, every state. The system works the same everywhere in the country. Its not like the police in Charlotte run things completely different than in Tulsa or in Chicago. The system is fucked everywhere. People aren't protesting white police, they're protesting police. It's not only a problem when a white cop shoots a black man, the problem is black men being shot by police period. Often the black officers are pointed at for being the worst offenders in their abuses of power against black citizens.
Either we have a second amendment or we don't. White people across the country act like god damn fools doing their childish open carry demonstrations all the damn time. Everyone knows if it was black people doing that stuff there would be a whole lot more dead black people. There is a double standard between what you're allowed to do as a white man and a black man, what rights you have when you're white vs when you're black, how you're treated. That's exactly what white privilege is.
So white people are racist by definition, or guilty by assosiation, as it is popular to say in the left narrative. On the other hand, black people can also be racist towards other blacks, but they can't be racist towards white people. Do you see any contradiction here?
On September 23 2016 09:51 Doodsmack wrote: People do need to start seeing more nuance in these police shootings. If this guy in Charlotte had a gun, it's pretty clear the cop was justified.
What even is the Second Amendment? Americans are allowed guns, even the black ones. Pointing one at a cop is another matter but I'm always amazed at the way the right try to make it about whether or not he had a gun and the left agree to play that game by those rules. We all collectively concede that gun ownership isn't a black right and that the Second Amendment isn't worth shit in the eyes of the police.
There is a difference between the right to own a gun, and raising your hands with a gun in them when a cop is telling you to "drop the gun". Not saying that happened here, but that there is a world of difference between the right to own a gun and holding a gun while engaging with a cop, in a manner the latter might consider threathening.
Also, it was a black victim shoot by a black cop, with a black head of police department. So why is this a racial thing again?
You are fully aware black people can be racist, oppressive, and subjugate their own right? Police policy and the criminal justice system is racist across the board, in the entire country, every city, every county, every state. The system works the same everywhere in the country. Its not like the police in Charlotte run things completely different than in Tulsa or in Chicago. The system is fucked everywhere. People aren't protesting white police, they're protesting police. It's not only a problem when a white cop shoots a black man, the problem is black men being shot by police period. Often the black officers are pointed at for being the worst offenders in their abuses of power against black citizens.
Either we have a second amendment or we don't. White people across the country act like god damn fools doing their childish open carry demonstrations all the damn time. Everyone knows if it was black people doing that stuff there would be a whole lot more dead black people. There is a double standard between what you're allowed to do as a white man and a black man, what rights you have when you're white vs when you're black, how you're treated. That's exactly what white privilege is.
So white people are racist by definition, or guilty by assosiation, as it is popular to say in the left narrative. On the other hand, black people can also be racist towards other blacks, but they can't be racist towards white people. Do you see any contradiction here?
Nope because you're making stuff up I've never said. Have another crack at it.
I'll help you out. I've never said that black people can't be racist towards white people. I've said on multiple occasions that I don't subscribe to the racism requires power definition. Power sure makes racism way worse though! A black person can be racist but by and large it doesn't do anything. I believe it was Louis CK that said "I'm white, you can't even hurt my feelings". Unless a black person is physically assaulting me or shooting me for being white there's really nothing their racism can do to harm me. Him hating me solely because I'm white is racist IMO and it makes him a piece of shit for sure. But it doesn't really do anything to me. Now on the flip side....
I might be mega liberal. I might agree with the vast majority of what GH believes. But I personally agree with GH's definition of racism. There's a little more grey than you might think over here.
On September 23 2016 10:20 Doodsmack wrote: Personally I think Michael Brown's cop was most likely justified given the bullet evidence. In other cases like one in Cincinnati or Cleveland I think where a university cop shot the guy point blank, it's clearly the cop's fault. But white cop and black death does not always mean the white cop is at fault.
I suppose some people might jump to that conclusion, but most of the discussion I've seen about the contentious shootings recently has centered pretty clearly on the questionable circumstances of said shootings: that the victim did not seem to pose a threat to the officers, that they were already incapacitated before they were killed, etc. Most of the outrage, from what I can tell, has stemmed from the fact that the victims of these cases usually aren't armed (I forget now whether Michael Brown was armed; I think he wasn't but the officer thought he was going to attack him?). The whole issue emerged because it seemed like this was something that happened disproportionately to black individuals, not because black individuals were predisposed to blame white cops whenever a shooting occurred.
Yeah I guess my point is pretty limited but I just don't think the cop as an individual should get charged or villified if he/she is not at fault. And I think that was the case with Michael Brown. And in those cases, I'm not sure there should be riots in that city. I guess if there's a systemic problem, that's one thing, but then there should be riots everywhere. I don't think it benefits anyone for there to be riots and demonstrations in a case where the cop isn't at fault.
that would be nice; but the world we live in isn't so nice there are systemic problems; and flareups happen from time to time as a result of that. they're often a result of local failure, and it varies a lot by place. of course people may not know whether they're community is one of the ones with pretty decent policing, or terrible policing; and a lot of bias can creep into their perceptions of such.
though as a technical note, the riots (well, more the protests than the riots, as riots don't help nothing, though protests do) did benefit ferguson, even though the cop there wasn't at fault in that particular case, because it caused the feds to take a look and find the numerous systemic problems that plagued that community's policing and court system. So oddly, there was a benefit there even without the cop in that instance screwing up.
On September 23 2016 10:20 Doodsmack wrote: Personally I think Michael Brown's cop was most likely justified given the bullet evidence. In other cases like one in Cincinnati or Cleveland I think where a university cop shot the guy point blank, it's clearly the cop's fault. But white cop and black death does not always mean the white cop is at fault.
I suppose some people might jump to that conclusion, but most of the discussion I've seen about the contentious shootings recently has centered pretty clearly on the questionable circumstances of said shootings: that the victim did not seem to pose a threat to the officers, that they were already incapacitated before they were killed, etc. Most of the outrage, from what I can tell, has stemmed from the fact that the victims of these cases usually aren't armed (I forget now whether Michael Brown was armed; I think he wasn't but the officer thought he was going to attack him?). The whole issue emerged because it seemed like this was something that happened disproportionately to black individuals, not because black individuals were predisposed to blame white cops whenever a shooting occurred.
Yeah I guess my point is pretty limited but I just don't think the cop as an individual should get charged or villified if he/she is not at fault. And I think that was the case with Michael Brown. And in those cases, I'm not sure there should be riots in that city. I guess if there's a systemic problem, that's one thing, but then there should be riots everywhere. I don't think it benefits anyone for there to be riots and demonstrations in a case where the cop isn't at fault.
that would be nice; but the world we live in isn't so nice there are systemic problems; and flareups happen from time to time as a result of that. they're often a result of local failure, and it varies a lot by place. of course people may not know whether they're community is one of the ones with pretty decent policing, or terrible policing; and a lot of bias can creep into their perceptions of such.
though as a technical note, the riots (well, more the protests than the riots, as riots don't help nothing, though protests do) did benefit ferguson, even though the cop there wasn't at fault in that particular case, because it caused the feds to take a look and find the numerous systemic problems that plagued that community's policing and court system. So oddly, there was a benefit there even without the cop in that instance screwing up.
For what it's worth, I don't think any of these events have popped up where there hasn't been a demonstrated systemic denial of people's constitutional rights in the surrounding area.
As pointed out in the case of Ferguson, ONLY happened because of the actions taken by the citizens. People seem to forget that this has been being pointed out to white folks for decades, they are just now being unable to deny what's right in front of their face.
Some hold out strong though ignoring as much as they can and focusing on whatever they can to undermine the reality that White America denied this was reality for decades and it's cost countless people their lives and/or their freedom.
On September 23 2016 09:51 Doodsmack wrote: People do need to start seeing more nuance in these police shootings. If this guy in Charlotte had a gun, it's pretty clear the cop was justified.
What even is the Second Amendment? Americans are allowed guns, even the black ones. Pointing one at a cop is another matter but I'm always amazed at the way the right try to make it about whether or not he had a gun and the left agree to play that game by those rules. We all collectively concede that gun ownership isn't a black right and that the Second Amendment isn't worth shit in the eyes of the police.
There is a difference between the right to own a gun, and raising your hands with a gun in them when a cop is telling you to "drop the gun". Not saying that happened here, but that there is a world of difference between the right to own a gun and holding a gun while engaging with a cop, in a manner the latter might consider threathening.
Also, it was a black victim shoot by a black cop, with a black head of police department. So why is this a racial thing again?
Hi, this is your daily reminder that black people don't have a superpower that prevents them from learning any racism while growing up and living in a society with entrenched racism. It'd actually be really weird if they could do that. But, despite claims to the contrary by GG and xDaunt, black people are actually human.
Also I wasn't referring to this specific incident, just commenting on the way gun ownership in the black community is seen as a deciding factor for police shootings, even though it's a constitutional right.
I think at this point, white people feel racism too.
Especially with the rise of BLM.
And teachers these days are guilt tripping their white students.
I mean that's not at all what a healthy society should be like.
No. You're wrong and so is everything you believe.
On September 23 2016 09:51 Doodsmack wrote: People do need to start seeing more nuance in these police shootings. If this guy in Charlotte had a gun, it's pretty clear the cop was justified.
What even is the Second Amendment? Americans are allowed guns, even the black ones. Pointing one at a cop is another matter but I'm always amazed at the way the right try to make it about whether or not he had a gun and the left agree to play that game by those rules. We all collectively concede that gun ownership isn't a black right and that the Second Amendment isn't worth shit in the eyes of the police.
There is a difference between the right to own a gun, and raising your hands with a gun in them when a cop is telling you to "drop the gun". Not saying that happened here, but that there is a world of difference between the right to own a gun and holding a gun while engaging with a cop, in a manner the latter might consider threathening.
Also, it was a black victim shoot by a black cop, with a black head of police department. So why is this a racial thing again?
It's a way of blaming white people in perpetuity and feeding off the division to get people in power in government, and as lackeys of government, for their own benefit, rather than addressing the root problems.
On September 23 2016 10:37 RealityIsKing wrote:
On September 23 2016 10:20 KwarK wrote:
On September 23 2016 10:05 GoTuNk! wrote:
On September 23 2016 09:58 KwarK wrote:
On September 23 2016 09:51 Doodsmack wrote: People do need to start seeing more nuance in these police shootings. If this guy in Charlotte had a gun, it's pretty clear the cop was justified.
What even is the Second Amendment? Americans are allowed guns, even the black ones. Pointing one at a cop is another matter but I'm always amazed at the way the right try to make it about whether or not he had a gun and the left agree to play that game by those rules. We all collectively concede that gun ownership isn't a black right and that the Second Amendment isn't worth shit in the eyes of the police.
There is a difference between the right to own a gun, and raising your hands with a gun in them when a cop is telling you to "drop the gun". Not saying that happened here, but that there is a world of difference between the right to own a gun and holding a gun while engaging with a cop, in a manner the latter might consider threathening.
Also, it was a black victim shoot by a black cop, with a black head of police department. So why is this a racial thing again?
Hi, this is your daily reminder that black people don't have a superpower that prevents them from learning any racism while growing up and living in a society with entrenched racism. It'd actually be really weird if they could do that. But, despite claims to the contrary by GG and xDaunt, black people are actually human.
Also I wasn't referring to this specific incident, just commenting on the way gun ownership in the black community is seen as a deciding factor for police shootings, even though it's a constitutional right.
I think at this point, white people feel racism too.
Especially with the rise of BLM.
And teachers these days are guilt tripping their white students.
I mean that's not at all what a healthy society should be like.
Do you have a source for the teachers thing? I thought that was in the UK but I don't remember.
Scattered schools, sometimes even with believable good intentions:
An elite Manhattan school is teaching white students as young as 6 that they’re born racist and should feel guilty benefiting from “white privilege,” while heaping praise and cupcakes on their black peers.
Administrators at the Bank Street School for Children on the Upper West Side claim it’s a novel approach to fighting discrimination, and that several other private New York schools are doing it, but even liberal parents aren’t buying it.
They complain the K-8 school of 430 kids is separating whites in classes where they’re made to feel awful about their “whiteness,” and all the “kids of color” in other rooms where they’re taught to feel proud about their race and are rewarded with treats and other privileges.
“Ever since Ferguson, the school has been increasing anti-white propaganda in its curriculum,” said a parent who requested anonymity because he has children currently enrolled in the school.
A Wisconsin high school is under fire after a parent accused a diversity class of promoting a critical race theory, alleging that students are being taught that minorities are disadvantaged by white oppressors, Fox News reports.
Delavan-Darien High School’s “American Diversity” course aims to help students “better understand oneself and recognize how feelings, ideas and beliefs interact with the ideas and beliefs of other individuals and groups,” according to the school’s website. By studying American society through the connections among culture, ethnicity, race, religion and gender issues, the course seeks to “create a more accurate picture of modern America.”
But an unnamed parent tells Fox News that assignments and class worksheets seem like “indoctrination.” A handout gives students a definition of “white privilege,” which appears to be taken from a book by the same name:
To put it charitably, some teachers think it's an appropriate way to introduce children to the topic of race and discrimination. I remember another school district that implemented a curriculum from an activist group on the issue, but it was protested and probably withdrawn.
^When you're mad the kids don't get the quality education in white supremacy they used to.
On September 23 2016 09:51 Doodsmack wrote: People do need to start seeing more nuance in these police shootings. If this guy in Charlotte had a gun, it's pretty clear the cop was justified.
What even is the Second Amendment? Americans are allowed guns, even the black ones. Pointing one at a cop is another matter but I'm always amazed at the way the right try to make it about whether or not he had a gun and the left agree to play that game by those rules. We all collectively concede that gun ownership isn't a black right and that the Second Amendment isn't worth shit in the eyes of the police.
There is a difference between the right to own a gun, and raising your hands with a gun in them when a cop is telling you to "drop the gun". Not saying that happened here, but that there is a world of difference between the right to own a gun and holding a gun while engaging with a cop, in a manner the latter might consider threathening.
Also, it was a black victim shoot by a black cop, with a black head of police department. So why is this a racial thing again?
It's a way of blaming white people in perpetuity and feeding off the division to get people in power in government, and as lackeys of government, for their own benefit, rather than addressing the root problems.
On September 23 2016 10:37 RealityIsKing wrote:
On September 23 2016 10:20 KwarK wrote:
On September 23 2016 10:05 GoTuNk! wrote:
On September 23 2016 09:58 KwarK wrote:
On September 23 2016 09:51 Doodsmack wrote: People do need to start seeing more nuance in these police shootings. If this guy in Charlotte had a gun, it's pretty clear the cop was justified.
What even is the Second Amendment? Americans are allowed guns, even the black ones. Pointing one at a cop is another matter but I'm always amazed at the way the right try to make it about whether or not he had a gun and the left agree to play that game by those rules. We all collectively concede that gun ownership isn't a black right and that the Second Amendment isn't worth shit in the eyes of the police.
There is a difference between the right to own a gun, and raising your hands with a gun in them when a cop is telling you to "drop the gun". Not saying that happened here, but that there is a world of difference between the right to own a gun and holding a gun while engaging with a cop, in a manner the latter might consider threathening.
Also, it was a black victim shoot by a black cop, with a black head of police department. So why is this a racial thing again?
Hi, this is your daily reminder that black people don't have a superpower that prevents them from learning any racism while growing up and living in a society with entrenched racism. It'd actually be really weird if they could do that. But, despite claims to the contrary by GG and xDaunt, black people are actually human.
Also I wasn't referring to this specific incident, just commenting on the way gun ownership in the black community is seen as a deciding factor for police shootings, even though it's a constitutional right.
I think at this point, white people feel racism too.
Especially with the rise of BLM.
And teachers these days are guilt tripping their white students.
I mean that's not at all what a healthy society should be like.
Do you have a source for the teachers thing? I thought that was in the UK but I don't remember.
Scattered schools, sometimes even with believable good intentions:
An elite Manhattan school is teaching white students as young as 6 that they’re born racist and should feel guilty benefiting from “white privilege,” while heaping praise and cupcakes on their black peers.
Administrators at the Bank Street School for Children on the Upper West Side claim it’s a novel approach to fighting discrimination, and that several other private New York schools are doing it, but even liberal parents aren’t buying it.
They complain the K-8 school of 430 kids is separating whites in classes where they’re made to feel awful about their “whiteness,” and all the “kids of color” in other rooms where they’re taught to feel proud about their race and are rewarded with treats and other privileges.
“Ever since Ferguson, the school has been increasing anti-white propaganda in its curriculum,” said a parent who requested anonymity because he has children currently enrolled in the school.
A Wisconsin high school is under fire after a parent accused a diversity class of promoting a critical race theory, alleging that students are being taught that minorities are disadvantaged by white oppressors, Fox News reports.
Delavan-Darien High School’s “American Diversity” course aims to help students “better understand oneself and recognize how feelings, ideas and beliefs interact with the ideas and beliefs of other individuals and groups,” according to the school’s website. By studying American society through the connections among culture, ethnicity, race, religion and gender issues, the course seeks to “create a more accurate picture of modern America.”
But an unnamed parent tells Fox News that assignments and class worksheets seem like “indoctrination.” A handout gives students a definition of “white privilege,” which appears to be taken from a book by the same name:
To put it charitably, some teachers think it's an appropriate way to introduce children to the topic of race and discrimination. I remember another school district that implemented a curriculum from an activist group on the issue, but it was protested and probably withdrawn.
^When you're mad the kids don't get the quality education in white supremacy they used to.
Top tier post, really showed those white supremacists.
Just btw people that completely dismiss the worries of others inevitably see the rise of the opposition. See Trump and blm.
If people are upset their high school age children are learning about the very real thing that is white privilege then boohoo. Its no different than parents crying their children learn the factual truth of evolution in science class. These things are real, your children need to learn it sooner or later, your feelings don't trump the truth. Do we want smarter, better, stronger, more compassionate children to lead the world to better places or do we want to shelter them and teach them lies and silly narrow minded nonsense so their feelings (or the parent's feelings) don't get hurt?
Your kids are in HS, they're going to be adults soon. White people objectively have it easier in America across the board, that's a fact and its time your kids learned it. Maybe they can try and make things better. You can't fix a problem by pretending it doesn't exist when its plain as day.
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