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On September 23 2016 09:19 ticklishmusic wrote:Show nested quote +On September 23 2016 09:17 Barrin wrote:On September 23 2016 09:15 ticklishmusic wrote:
and realistically, she wants two terms. can't get two terms if you don't keep your promises.
Ok this is a good one. But what about something she can't or couldn't have really gained from? Maybe something that went fairly unnoticed? After law school she went to work for the children's defense fund to investigate racism in schools in the South. With a law degree from Yale, she could have gone to a big law firm and made big bucks and schmoozed, but she chose that instead.
Personally I think that the DNC didn't invite enough people who repeated that line at the convention.
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On September 23 2016 09:18 Barrin wrote:Show nested quote +On September 23 2016 09:15 KwarK wrote:On September 23 2016 09:13 Barrin wrote:On September 23 2016 09:11 KwarK wrote:On September 23 2016 09:06 Barrin wrote:
Alright, IMO Hillary's got the best agenda. At least for me, but I think for the US too.
But what's the best reason to believe she'll actually pull through with [most of] it? What is the best reason to trust her? I was pleasantly surprised when I googled similar things the other day, but I want to hear some of your reasons. I like the way Hillary doesn't plan to make stop and frisk, a policy which deliberately profiles African Americans for targeting by the police, a nationwide initiative. You? Right, right like I said she's already sold me on the policy. But what about her character? I like the way she appears to have put some thought into her policies and not just crowdsourced them from racist drunks. You? That's about as low as I'm willing to put the bar. (no pun intended)
I like the way she didn't spend the last five years engaged in a transparently racist attempt to brand the first black president as un-American. I think the way she didn't do that speaks volumes about the kind of person that she is. You?
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As old as Clinton is I have my doubts about her making it through a second term. Not because of health issues or anything, but because of the innate stress of the job and her already advanced age.
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On September 23 2016 09:30 Barrin wrote:Show nested quote +On September 23 2016 09:22 KwarK wrote:On September 23 2016 09:18 Barrin wrote:On September 23 2016 09:15 KwarK wrote:On September 23 2016 09:13 Barrin wrote:On September 23 2016 09:11 KwarK wrote:On September 23 2016 09:06 Barrin wrote:
Alright, IMO Hillary's got the best agenda. At least for me, but I think for the US too.
But what's the best reason to believe she'll actually pull through with [most of] it? What is the best reason to trust her? I was pleasantly surprised when I googled similar things the other day, but I want to hear some of your reasons. I like the way Hillary doesn't plan to make stop and frisk, a policy which deliberately profiles African Americans for targeting by the police, a nationwide initiative. You? Right, right like I said she's already sold me on the policy. But what about her character? I like the way she appears to have put some thought into her policies and not just crowdsourced them from racist drunks. You? That's about as low as I'm willing to put the bar. (no pun intended) I like the way she didn't spend the last five years engaged in a transparently racist attempt to brand the first black president as un-American. I think the way she didn't do that speaks volumes about the kind of person that she is. You? I didn't do that either, and I'm nowhere near president material. /shrug
If you were the Democratic nominee this year that'd earn you my vote. I like the things you don't do, they really show the kind of man you're not.
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On September 23 2016 09:26 Barrin wrote:Show nested quote +On September 23 2016 09:19 ticklishmusic wrote:On September 23 2016 09:17 Barrin wrote:On September 23 2016 09:15 ticklishmusic wrote:
and realistically, she wants two terms. can't get two terms if you don't keep your promises.
Ok this is a good one. But what about something she can't or couldn't have really gained from? Maybe something that went fairly unnoticed? After law school she went to work for the children's defense fund to investigate racism in schools in the South. With a law degree from Yale, she could have gone to a big law firm and made big bucks and schmoozed, but she chose that instead. Now that's what I'm talkin' about. I could set the bar really high and ask for something that she couldn't have used to help her get elected, but I think that might be unrealistic. Sorry I know this isn't really going to to spur conversation, but I am genuinely curious. One more thing maybe?
I mean, if you do something that is good, it's always possible to say that "she did it just to look good".
Earlier in her career, she did a lot of legal advocacy-type work. Pro bono stuff when she was at a law firm, ran a legal clinic, headed the legal services corp which provides legal aid to the poor nationally
But she's done stuff like get LGBT State dept employees equal benefits as straight ones, push for women's rights in China, etc. A lot of things like that which were not exactly rewarded/ controversial at the time, but put her on the right side of history.
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People do need to start seeing more nuance in these police shootings. If this guy in Charlotte had a gun, it's pretty clear the cop was justified.
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On September 23 2016 09:51 Doodsmack wrote:
People do need to start seeing more nuance in these police shootings. If this guy in Charlotte had a gun, it's pretty clear the cop was justified.
What even is the Second Amendment? Americans are allowed guns, even the black ones. Pointing one at a cop is another matter but I'm always amazed at the way the right try to make it about whether or not he had a gun and the left agree to play that game by those rules. We all collectively concede that gun ownership isn't a black right and that the Second Amendment isn't worth shit in the eyes of the police.
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On September 23 2016 09:58 KwarK wrote:Show nested quote +On September 23 2016 09:51 Doodsmack wrote:
People do need to start seeing more nuance in these police shootings. If this guy in Charlotte had a gun, it's pretty clear the cop was justified. What even is the Second Amendment? Americans are allowed guns, even the black ones. Pointing one at a cop is another matter but I'm always amazed at the way the right try to make it about whether or not he had a gun and the left agree to play that game by those rules. We all collectively concede that gun ownership isn't a black right and that the Second Amendment isn't worth shit in the eyes of the police.
There is a difference between the right to own a gun, and raising your hands with a gun in them when a cop is telling you to "drop the gun". Not saying that happened here, but that there is a world of difference between the right to own a gun and holding a gun while engaging with a cop, in a manner the latter might consider threathening.
Also, it was a black victim shoot by a black cop, with a black head of police department. So why is this a racial thing again?
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There is video that will apparently be released, which maybe we'll know more then but if he had the gun in his hands in any way in the presence of officers directing him not to, IMO the officers are justified. It does not take long for the person to position that gun in the direction of the officers and fire.
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On September 23 2016 10:05 GoTuNk! wrote:Show nested quote +On September 23 2016 09:58 KwarK wrote:On September 23 2016 09:51 Doodsmack wrote:
People do need to start seeing more nuance in these police shootings. If this guy in Charlotte had a gun, it's pretty clear the cop was justified. What even is the Second Amendment? Americans are allowed guns, even the black ones. Pointing one at a cop is another matter but I'm always amazed at the way the right try to make it about whether or not he had a gun and the left agree to play that game by those rules. We all collectively concede that gun ownership isn't a black right and that the Second Amendment isn't worth shit in the eyes of the police. There is a difference between the right to own a gun, and raising your hands with a gun in them when a cop is telling you to "drop the gun". Not saying that happened here, but that there is a world of difference between the right to own a gun and holding a gun while engaging with a cop, in a manner the latter might consider threathening. Also, it was a black victim shoot by a black cop, with a black head of police department. So why is this a racial thing again?
Hi, this is your daily reminder that black people don't have a superpower that prevents them from learning any racism while growing up and living in a society with entrenched racism. It'd actually be really weird if they could do that. But, despite claims to the contrary by GG and xDaunt, black people are actually human.
Also I wasn't referring to this specific incident, just commenting on the way gun ownership in the black community is seen as a deciding factor for police shootings, even though it's a constitutional right.
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Personally I think Michael Brown's cop was most likely justified given the bullet evidence. In other cases like one in Cincinnati or Cleveland I think where a university cop shot the guy point blank, it's clearly the cop's fault. But white cop and black death does not always mean the white cop is at fault.
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On September 23 2016 10:05 GoTuNk! wrote:Show nested quote +On September 23 2016 09:58 KwarK wrote:On September 23 2016 09:51 Doodsmack wrote:
People do need to start seeing more nuance in these police shootings. If this guy in Charlotte had a gun, it's pretty clear the cop was justified. What even is the Second Amendment? Americans are allowed guns, even the black ones. Pointing one at a cop is another matter but I'm always amazed at the way the right try to make it about whether or not he had a gun and the left agree to play that game by those rules. We all collectively concede that gun ownership isn't a black right and that the Second Amendment isn't worth shit in the eyes of the police. There is a difference between the right to own a gun, and raising your hands with a gun in them when a cop is telling you to "drop the gun". Not saying that happened here, but that there is a world of difference between the right to own a gun and holding a gun while engaging with a cop, in a manner the latter might consider threathening. Also, it was a black victim shoot by a black cop, with a black head of police department. So why is this a racial thing again?
You are fully aware black people can be racist, oppressive, and subjugate their own right? Police policy and the criminal justice system is racist across the board, in the entire country, every city, every county, every state. The system works the same everywhere in the country. Its not like the police in Charlotte run things completely different than in Tulsa or in Chicago. The system is fucked everywhere. People aren't protesting white police, they're protesting police. It's not only a problem when a white cop shoots a black man, the problem is black men being shot by police period. Often the black officers are pointed at for being the worst offenders in their abuses of power against black citizens.
Either we have a second amendment or we don't. White people across the country act like god damn fools doing their childish open carry demonstrations all the damn time. Everyone knows if it was black people doing that stuff there would be a whole lot more dead black people. There is a double standard between what you're allowed to do as a white man and a black man, what rights you have when you're white vs when you're black, how you're treated. That's exactly what white privilege is.
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What specific parts of the system are racist?
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On September 23 2016 09:11 KwarK wrote:Show nested quote +On September 23 2016 09:06 Barrin wrote:
Alright, IMO Hillary's got the best agenda. At least for me, but I think for the US too.
But what's the best reason to believe she'll actually pull through with [most of] it? What is the best reason to trust her? I was pleasantly surprised when I googled similar things the other day, but I want to hear some of your reasons. I like the way Hillary doesn't plan to make stop and frisk, a policy which deliberately profiles African Americans for targeting by the police, a nationwide initiative. You?
Does the term "super predators" suggest racial profiling and bias to you? If not explain why.
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On September 23 2016 10:20 KwarK wrote:Show nested quote +On September 23 2016 10:05 GoTuNk! wrote:On September 23 2016 09:58 KwarK wrote:On September 23 2016 09:51 Doodsmack wrote:
People do need to start seeing more nuance in these police shootings. If this guy in Charlotte had a gun, it's pretty clear the cop was justified. What even is the Second Amendment? Americans are allowed guns, even the black ones. Pointing one at a cop is another matter but I'm always amazed at the way the right try to make it about whether or not he had a gun and the left agree to play that game by those rules. We all collectively concede that gun ownership isn't a black right and that the Second Amendment isn't worth shit in the eyes of the police. There is a difference between the right to own a gun, and raising your hands with a gun in them when a cop is telling you to "drop the gun". Not saying that happened here, but that there is a world of difference between the right to own a gun and holding a gun while engaging with a cop, in a manner the latter might consider threathening. Also, it was a black victim shoot by a black cop, with a black head of police department. So why is this a racial thing again? Hi, this is your daily reminder that black people don't have a superpower that prevents them from learning any racism while growing up and living in a society with entrenched racism. It'd actually be really weird if they could do that. But, despite claims to the contrary by GG and xDaunt, black people are actually human. Also I wasn't referring to this specific incident, just commenting on the way gun ownership in the black community is seen as a deciding factor for police shootings, even though it's a constitutional right.
I think at this point, white people feel racism too.
Especially with the rise of BLM.
And teachers these days are guilt tripping their white students.
I mean that's not at all what a healthy society should be like.
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On September 23 2016 10:35 iPlaY.NettleS wrote:Show nested quote +On September 23 2016 09:11 KwarK wrote:On September 23 2016 09:06 Barrin wrote:
Alright, IMO Hillary's got the best agenda. At least for me, but I think for the US too.
But what's the best reason to believe she'll actually pull through with [most of] it? What is the best reason to trust her? I was pleasantly surprised when I googled similar things the other day, but I want to hear some of your reasons. I like the way Hillary doesn't plan to make stop and frisk, a policy which deliberately profiles African Americans for targeting by the police, a nationwide initiative. You? Does the term "super predators" suggest racial profiling and bias to you? If not explain why.
Yes.
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On September 23 2016 10:37 RealityIsKing wrote:Show nested quote +On September 23 2016 10:20 KwarK wrote:On September 23 2016 10:05 GoTuNk! wrote:On September 23 2016 09:58 KwarK wrote:On September 23 2016 09:51 Doodsmack wrote:
People do need to start seeing more nuance in these police shootings. If this guy in Charlotte had a gun, it's pretty clear the cop was justified. What even is the Second Amendment? Americans are allowed guns, even the black ones. Pointing one at a cop is another matter but I'm always amazed at the way the right try to make it about whether or not he had a gun and the left agree to play that game by those rules. We all collectively concede that gun ownership isn't a black right and that the Second Amendment isn't worth shit in the eyes of the police. There is a difference between the right to own a gun, and raising your hands with a gun in them when a cop is telling you to "drop the gun". Not saying that happened here, but that there is a world of difference between the right to own a gun and holding a gun while engaging with a cop, in a manner the latter might consider threathening. Also, it was a black victim shoot by a black cop, with a black head of police department. So why is this a racial thing again? Hi, this is your daily reminder that black people don't have a superpower that prevents them from learning any racism while growing up and living in a society with entrenched racism. It'd actually be really weird if they could do that. But, despite claims to the contrary by GG and xDaunt, black people are actually human. Also I wasn't referring to this specific incident, just commenting on the way gun ownership in the black community is seen as a deciding factor for police shootings, even though it's a constitutional right. I think at this point, white people feel racism too. Especially with the rise of BLM. And teachers these days are guilt tripping their white students. I mean that's not at all what a healthy society should be like.
No. You're wrong and so is everything you believe.
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