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On September 23 2016 09:51 Doodsmack wrote: People do need to start seeing more nuance in these police shootings. If this guy in Charlotte had a gun, it's pretty clear the cop was justified.
What even is the Second Amendment? Americans are allowed guns, even the black ones. Pointing one at a cop is another matter but I'm always amazed at the way the right try to make it about whether or not he had a gun and the left agree to play that game by those rules. We all collectively concede that gun ownership isn't a black right and that the Second Amendment isn't worth shit in the eyes of the police.
There is a difference between the right to own a gun, and raising your hands with a gun in them when a cop is telling you to "drop the gun". Not saying that happened here, but that there is a world of difference between the right to own a gun and holding a gun while engaging with a cop, in a manner the latter might consider threathening.
Also, it was a black victim shoot by a black cop, with a black head of police department. So why is this a racial thing again?
It's a way of blaming white people in perpetuity and feeding off the division to get people in power in government, and as lackeys of government, for their own benefit, rather than addressing the root problems.
On September 23 2016 10:37 RealityIsKing wrote:
On September 23 2016 10:20 KwarK wrote:
On September 23 2016 10:05 GoTuNk! wrote:
On September 23 2016 09:58 KwarK wrote:
On September 23 2016 09:51 Doodsmack wrote: People do need to start seeing more nuance in these police shootings. If this guy in Charlotte had a gun, it's pretty clear the cop was justified.
What even is the Second Amendment? Americans are allowed guns, even the black ones. Pointing one at a cop is another matter but I'm always amazed at the way the right try to make it about whether or not he had a gun and the left agree to play that game by those rules. We all collectively concede that gun ownership isn't a black right and that the Second Amendment isn't worth shit in the eyes of the police.
There is a difference between the right to own a gun, and raising your hands with a gun in them when a cop is telling you to "drop the gun". Not saying that happened here, but that there is a world of difference between the right to own a gun and holding a gun while engaging with a cop, in a manner the latter might consider threathening.
Also, it was a black victim shoot by a black cop, with a black head of police department. So why is this a racial thing again?
Hi, this is your daily reminder that black people don't have a superpower that prevents them from learning any racism while growing up and living in a society with entrenched racism. It'd actually be really weird if they could do that. But, despite claims to the contrary by GG and xDaunt, black people are actually human.
Also I wasn't referring to this specific incident, just commenting on the way gun ownership in the black community is seen as a deciding factor for police shootings, even though it's a constitutional right.
I think at this point, white people feel racism too.
Especially with the rise of BLM.
And teachers these days are guilt tripping their white students.
I mean that's not at all what a healthy society should be like.
Do you have a source for the teachers thing? I thought that was in the UK but I don't remember.
Scattered schools, sometimes even with believable good intentions:
An elite Manhattan school is teaching white students as young as 6 that they’re born racist and should feel guilty benefiting from “white privilege,” while heaping praise and cupcakes on their black peers.
Administrators at the Bank Street School for Children on the Upper West Side claim it’s a novel approach to fighting discrimination, and that several other private New York schools are doing it, but even liberal parents aren’t buying it.
They complain the K-8 school of 430 kids is separating whites in classes where they’re made to feel awful about their “whiteness,” and all the “kids of color” in other rooms where they’re taught to feel proud about their race and are rewarded with treats and other privileges.
“Ever since Ferguson, the school has been increasing anti-white propaganda in its curriculum,” said a parent who requested anonymity because he has children currently enrolled in the school.
A Wisconsin high school is under fire after a parent accused a diversity class of promoting a critical race theory, alleging that students are being taught that minorities are disadvantaged by white oppressors, Fox News reports.
Delavan-Darien High School’s “American Diversity” course aims to help students “better understand oneself and recognize how feelings, ideas and beliefs interact with the ideas and beliefs of other individuals and groups,” according to the school’s website. By studying American society through the connections among culture, ethnicity, race, religion and gender issues, the course seeks to “create a more accurate picture of modern America.”
But an unnamed parent tells Fox News that assignments and class worksheets seem like “indoctrination.” A handout gives students a definition of “white privilege,” which appears to be taken from a book by the same name:
To put it charitably, some teachers think it's an appropriate way to introduce children to the topic of race and discrimination. I remember another school district that implemented a curriculum from an activist group on the issue, but it was protested and probably withdrawn.
^When you're mad the kids don't get the quality education in white supremacy they used to.
Top tier post, really showed those white supremacists.
Just btw people that completely dismiss the worries of others inevitably see the rise of the opposition. See Trump and blm.
I'm not completely dismissing anything, I'm just waiting for some folks to recognize how foolish their concerns look in context.
The underlying position is that a few decades of an extremely toned down version of what white people did to black people has all sorts of negative consequences. While also maintaining that the 250+ years of much worse treatment has little to no lingering impacts.
It's absolutely absurd on it's face and all the complaints about "reverse racism" (a remarkably stupid term on it's own), how white people are being oppressed, how they are being shamed and made to feel guilty, misses not only that black and brown kids still justifiably feel that way, but that in the same breath they are trying to tell them to "get over it".
That's not to say that I don't understand to a degree why they feel that way, I'm just expecting intelligent people to catch on by now.
On September 23 2016 09:51 Doodsmack wrote: People do need to start seeing more nuance in these police shootings. If this guy in Charlotte had a gun, it's pretty clear the cop was justified.
What even is the Second Amendment? Americans are allowed guns, even the black ones. Pointing one at a cop is another matter but I'm always amazed at the way the right try to make it about whether or not he had a gun and the left agree to play that game by those rules. We all collectively concede that gun ownership isn't a black right and that the Second Amendment isn't worth shit in the eyes of the police.
There is a difference between the right to own a gun, and raising your hands with a gun in them when a cop is telling you to "drop the gun". Not saying that happened here, but that there is a world of difference between the right to own a gun and holding a gun while engaging with a cop, in a manner the latter might consider threathening.
Also, it was a black victim shoot by a black cop, with a black head of police department. So why is this a racial thing again?
It's a way of blaming white people in perpetuity and feeding off the division to get people in power in government, and as lackeys of government, for their own benefit, rather than addressing the root problems.
On September 23 2016 10:37 RealityIsKing wrote:
On September 23 2016 10:20 KwarK wrote:
On September 23 2016 10:05 GoTuNk! wrote:
On September 23 2016 09:58 KwarK wrote:
On September 23 2016 09:51 Doodsmack wrote: People do need to start seeing more nuance in these police shootings. If this guy in Charlotte had a gun, it's pretty clear the cop was justified.
What even is the Second Amendment? Americans are allowed guns, even the black ones. Pointing one at a cop is another matter but I'm always amazed at the way the right try to make it about whether or not he had a gun and the left agree to play that game by those rules. We all collectively concede that gun ownership isn't a black right and that the Second Amendment isn't worth shit in the eyes of the police.
There is a difference between the right to own a gun, and raising your hands with a gun in them when a cop is telling you to "drop the gun". Not saying that happened here, but that there is a world of difference between the right to own a gun and holding a gun while engaging with a cop, in a manner the latter might consider threathening.
Also, it was a black victim shoot by a black cop, with a black head of police department. So why is this a racial thing again?
Hi, this is your daily reminder that black people don't have a superpower that prevents them from learning any racism while growing up and living in a society with entrenched racism. It'd actually be really weird if they could do that. But, despite claims to the contrary by GG and xDaunt, black people are actually human.
Also I wasn't referring to this specific incident, just commenting on the way gun ownership in the black community is seen as a deciding factor for police shootings, even though it's a constitutional right.
I think at this point, white people feel racism too.
Especially with the rise of BLM.
And teachers these days are guilt tripping their white students.
I mean that's not at all what a healthy society should be like.
Do you have a source for the teachers thing? I thought that was in the UK but I don't remember.
Scattered schools, sometimes even with believable good intentions:
An elite Manhattan school is teaching white students as young as 6 that they’re born racist and should feel guilty benefiting from “white privilege,” while heaping praise and cupcakes on their black peers.
Administrators at the Bank Street School for Children on the Upper West Side claim it’s a novel approach to fighting discrimination, and that several other private New York schools are doing it, but even liberal parents aren’t buying it.
They complain the K-8 school of 430 kids is separating whites in classes where they’re made to feel awful about their “whiteness,” and all the “kids of color” in other rooms where they’re taught to feel proud about their race and are rewarded with treats and other privileges.
“Ever since Ferguson, the school has been increasing anti-white propaganda in its curriculum,” said a parent who requested anonymity because he has children currently enrolled in the school.
A Wisconsin high school is under fire after a parent accused a diversity class of promoting a critical race theory, alleging that students are being taught that minorities are disadvantaged by white oppressors, Fox News reports.
Delavan-Darien High School’s “American Diversity” course aims to help students “better understand oneself and recognize how feelings, ideas and beliefs interact with the ideas and beliefs of other individuals and groups,” according to the school’s website. By studying American society through the connections among culture, ethnicity, race, religion and gender issues, the course seeks to “create a more accurate picture of modern America.”
But an unnamed parent tells Fox News that assignments and class worksheets seem like “indoctrination.” A handout gives students a definition of “white privilege,” which appears to be taken from a book by the same name:
To put it charitably, some teachers think it's an appropriate way to introduce children to the topic of race and discrimination. I remember another school district that implemented a curriculum from an activist group on the issue, but it was protested and probably withdrawn.
^When you're mad the kids don't get the quality education in white supremacy they used to.
On September 23 2016 09:51 Doodsmack wrote: People do need to start seeing more nuance in these police shootings. If this guy in Charlotte had a gun, it's pretty clear the cop was justified.
What even is the Second Amendment? Americans are allowed guns, even the black ones. Pointing one at a cop is another matter but I'm always amazed at the way the right try to make it about whether or not he had a gun and the left agree to play that game by those rules. We all collectively concede that gun ownership isn't a black right and that the Second Amendment isn't worth shit in the eyes of the police.
There is a difference between the right to own a gun, and raising your hands with a gun in them when a cop is telling you to "drop the gun". Not saying that happened here, but that there is a world of difference between the right to own a gun and holding a gun while engaging with a cop, in a manner the latter might consider threathening.
Also, it was a black victim shoot by a black cop, with a black head of police department. So why is this a racial thing again?
It's a way of blaming white people in perpetuity and feeding off the division to get people in power in government, and as lackeys of government, for their own benefit, rather than addressing the root problems.
On September 23 2016 10:37 RealityIsKing wrote:
On September 23 2016 10:20 KwarK wrote:
On September 23 2016 10:05 GoTuNk! wrote:
On September 23 2016 09:58 KwarK wrote:
On September 23 2016 09:51 Doodsmack wrote: People do need to start seeing more nuance in these police shootings. If this guy in Charlotte had a gun, it's pretty clear the cop was justified.
What even is the Second Amendment? Americans are allowed guns, even the black ones. Pointing one at a cop is another matter but I'm always amazed at the way the right try to make it about whether or not he had a gun and the left agree to play that game by those rules. We all collectively concede that gun ownership isn't a black right and that the Second Amendment isn't worth shit in the eyes of the police.
There is a difference between the right to own a gun, and raising your hands with a gun in them when a cop is telling you to "drop the gun". Not saying that happened here, but that there is a world of difference between the right to own a gun and holding a gun while engaging with a cop, in a manner the latter might consider threathening.
Also, it was a black victim shoot by a black cop, with a black head of police department. So why is this a racial thing again?
Hi, this is your daily reminder that black people don't have a superpower that prevents them from learning any racism while growing up and living in a society with entrenched racism. It'd actually be really weird if they could do that. But, despite claims to the contrary by GG and xDaunt, black people are actually human.
Also I wasn't referring to this specific incident, just commenting on the way gun ownership in the black community is seen as a deciding factor for police shootings, even though it's a constitutional right.
I think at this point, white people feel racism too.
Especially with the rise of BLM.
And teachers these days are guilt tripping their white students.
I mean that's not at all what a healthy society should be like.
Do you have a source for the teachers thing? I thought that was in the UK but I don't remember.
Scattered schools, sometimes even with believable good intentions:
An elite Manhattan school is teaching white students as young as 6 that they’re born racist and should feel guilty benefiting from “white privilege,” while heaping praise and cupcakes on their black peers.
Administrators at the Bank Street School for Children on the Upper West Side claim it’s a novel approach to fighting discrimination, and that several other private New York schools are doing it, but even liberal parents aren’t buying it.
They complain the K-8 school of 430 kids is separating whites in classes where they’re made to feel awful about their “whiteness,” and all the “kids of color” in other rooms where they’re taught to feel proud about their race and are rewarded with treats and other privileges.
“Ever since Ferguson, the school has been increasing anti-white propaganda in its curriculum,” said a parent who requested anonymity because he has children currently enrolled in the school.
A Wisconsin high school is under fire after a parent accused a diversity class of promoting a critical race theory, alleging that students are being taught that minorities are disadvantaged by white oppressors, Fox News reports.
Delavan-Darien High School’s “American Diversity” course aims to help students “better understand oneself and recognize how feelings, ideas and beliefs interact with the ideas and beliefs of other individuals and groups,” according to the school’s website. By studying American society through the connections among culture, ethnicity, race, religion and gender issues, the course seeks to “create a more accurate picture of modern America.”
But an unnamed parent tells Fox News that assignments and class worksheets seem like “indoctrination.” A handout gives students a definition of “white privilege,” which appears to be taken from a book by the same name:
To put it charitably, some teachers think it's an appropriate way to introduce children to the topic of race and discrimination. I remember another school district that implemented a curriculum from an activist group on the issue, but it was protested and probably withdrawn.
^When you're mad the kids don't get the quality education in white supremacy they used to.
Top tier post, really showed those white supremacists.
Just btw people that completely dismiss the worries of others inevitably see the rise of the opposition. See Trump and blm.
If people are upset their high school age children are learning about the very real thing that is white privilege then boohoo. Its no different than parents crying their children learn the factual truth of evolution in science class. These things are real, your children need to learn it sooner or later, your feelings don't trump the truth. Do we want smarter, better, stronger, more compassionate children to lead the world to better places or do we want to shelter them and teach them lies and silly narrow minded nonsense so their feelings (or the parent's feelings) don't get hurt?
Your kids are in HS, they're going to be adults soon. White people objectively have it easier in America across the board, that's a fact and its time your kids learned it. Maybe they can try and make things better. You can't fix a problem by pretending it doesn't exist when its plain as day.
Puting evolution and white privilege on the same level, I don't think even creatonist are that deluded.
On September 23 2016 09:51 Doodsmack wrote: People do need to start seeing more nuance in these police shootings. If this guy in Charlotte had a gun, it's pretty clear the cop was justified.
What even is the Second Amendment? Americans are allowed guns, even the black ones. Pointing one at a cop is another matter but I'm always amazed at the way the right try to make it about whether or not he had a gun and the left agree to play that game by those rules. We all collectively concede that gun ownership isn't a black right and that the Second Amendment isn't worth shit in the eyes of the police.
There is a difference between the right to own a gun, and raising your hands with a gun in them when a cop is telling you to "drop the gun". Not saying that happened here, but that there is a world of difference between the right to own a gun and holding a gun while engaging with a cop, in a manner the latter might consider threathening.
Also, it was a black victim shoot by a black cop, with a black head of police department. So why is this a racial thing again?
It's a way of blaming white people in perpetuity and feeding off the division to get people in power in government, and as lackeys of government, for their own benefit, rather than addressing the root problems.
On September 23 2016 10:37 RealityIsKing wrote:
On September 23 2016 10:20 KwarK wrote:
On September 23 2016 10:05 GoTuNk! wrote:
On September 23 2016 09:58 KwarK wrote: [quote] What even is the Second Amendment? Americans are allowed guns, even the black ones. Pointing one at a cop is another matter but I'm always amazed at the way the right try to make it about whether or not he had a gun and the left agree to play that game by those rules. We all collectively concede that gun ownership isn't a black right and that the Second Amendment isn't worth shit in the eyes of the police.
There is a difference between the right to own a gun, and raising your hands with a gun in them when a cop is telling you to "drop the gun". Not saying that happened here, but that there is a world of difference between the right to own a gun and holding a gun while engaging with a cop, in a manner the latter might consider threathening.
Also, it was a black victim shoot by a black cop, with a black head of police department. So why is this a racial thing again?
Hi, this is your daily reminder that black people don't have a superpower that prevents them from learning any racism while growing up and living in a society with entrenched racism. It'd actually be really weird if they could do that. But, despite claims to the contrary by GG and xDaunt, black people are actually human.
Also I wasn't referring to this specific incident, just commenting on the way gun ownership in the black community is seen as a deciding factor for police shootings, even though it's a constitutional right.
I think at this point, white people feel racism too.
Especially with the rise of BLM.
And teachers these days are guilt tripping their white students.
I mean that's not at all what a healthy society should be like.
Do you have a source for the teachers thing? I thought that was in the UK but I don't remember.
Scattered schools, sometimes even with believable good intentions:
An elite Manhattan school is teaching white students as young as 6 that they’re born racist and should feel guilty benefiting from “white privilege,” while heaping praise and cupcakes on their black peers.
Administrators at the Bank Street School for Children on the Upper West Side claim it’s a novel approach to fighting discrimination, and that several other private New York schools are doing it, but even liberal parents aren’t buying it.
They complain the K-8 school of 430 kids is separating whites in classes where they’re made to feel awful about their “whiteness,” and all the “kids of color” in other rooms where they’re taught to feel proud about their race and are rewarded with treats and other privileges.
“Ever since Ferguson, the school has been increasing anti-white propaganda in its curriculum,” said a parent who requested anonymity because he has children currently enrolled in the school.
A Wisconsin high school is under fire after a parent accused a diversity class of promoting a critical race theory, alleging that students are being taught that minorities are disadvantaged by white oppressors, Fox News reports.
Delavan-Darien High School’s “American Diversity” course aims to help students “better understand oneself and recognize how feelings, ideas and beliefs interact with the ideas and beliefs of other individuals and groups,” according to the school’s website. By studying American society through the connections among culture, ethnicity, race, religion and gender issues, the course seeks to “create a more accurate picture of modern America.”
But an unnamed parent tells Fox News that assignments and class worksheets seem like “indoctrination.” A handout gives students a definition of “white privilege,” which appears to be taken from a book by the same name:
To put it charitably, some teachers think it's an appropriate way to introduce children to the topic of race and discrimination. I remember another school district that implemented a curriculum from an activist group on the issue, but it was protested and probably withdrawn.
^When you're mad the kids don't get the quality education in white supremacy they used to.
Top tier post, really showed those white supremacists.
Just btw people that completely dismiss the worries of others inevitably see the rise of the opposition. See Trump and blm.
If people are upset their high school age children are learning about the very real thing that is white privilege then boohoo. Its no different than parents crying their children learn the factual truth of evolution in science class. These things are real, your children need to learn it sooner or later, your feelings don't trump the truth. Do we want smarter, better, stronger, more compassionate children to lead the world to better places or do we want to shelter them and teach them lies and silly narrow minded nonsense so their feelings (or the parent's feelings) don't get hurt?
Your kids are in HS, they're going to be adults soon. White people objectively have it easier in America across the board, that's a fact and its time your kids learned it. Maybe they can try and make things better. You can't fix a problem by pretending it doesn't exist when its plain as day.
Puting evolution and white privilege on the same level, I don't think even creatonist are that deluded.
Not really, its pretty easy to observe that many major institutions favor white people and people in general have more favorable reactions to white people inside of the US. It is obvious if you look at a lot of various numbers to get a bigger picture...or you know just live here for any extended period of time that isn't restricted to the white dominated middle class and up areas. I'm guessing you have done neither.
On September 23 2016 09:51 Doodsmack wrote: People do need to start seeing more nuance in these police shootings. If this guy in Charlotte had a gun, it's pretty clear the cop was justified.
What even is the Second Amendment? Americans are allowed guns, even the black ones. Pointing one at a cop is another matter but I'm always amazed at the way the right try to make it about whether or not he had a gun and the left agree to play that game by those rules. We all collectively concede that gun ownership isn't a black right and that the Second Amendment isn't worth shit in the eyes of the police.
There is a difference between the right to own a gun, and raising your hands with a gun in them when a cop is telling you to "drop the gun". Not saying that happened here, but that there is a world of difference between the right to own a gun and holding a gun while engaging with a cop, in a manner the latter might consider threathening.
Also, it was a black victim shoot by a black cop, with a black head of police department. So why is this a racial thing again?
It's a way of blaming white people in perpetuity and feeding off the division to get people in power in government, and as lackeys of government, for their own benefit, rather than addressing the root problems.
On September 23 2016 10:37 RealityIsKing wrote:
On September 23 2016 10:20 KwarK wrote:
On September 23 2016 10:05 GoTuNk! wrote: [quote]
There is a difference between the right to own a gun, and raising your hands with a gun in them when a cop is telling you to "drop the gun". Not saying that happened here, but that there is a world of difference between the right to own a gun and holding a gun while engaging with a cop, in a manner the latter might consider threathening.
Also, it was a black victim shoot by a black cop, with a black head of police department. So why is this a racial thing again?
Hi, this is your daily reminder that black people don't have a superpower that prevents them from learning any racism while growing up and living in a society with entrenched racism. It'd actually be really weird if they could do that. But, despite claims to the contrary by GG and xDaunt, black people are actually human.
Also I wasn't referring to this specific incident, just commenting on the way gun ownership in the black community is seen as a deciding factor for police shootings, even though it's a constitutional right.
I think at this point, white people feel racism too.
Especially with the rise of BLM.
And teachers these days are guilt tripping their white students.
I mean that's not at all what a healthy society should be like.
Do you have a source for the teachers thing? I thought that was in the UK but I don't remember.
Scattered schools, sometimes even with believable good intentions:
An elite Manhattan school is teaching white students as young as 6 that they’re born racist and should feel guilty benefiting from “white privilege,” while heaping praise and cupcakes on their black peers.
Administrators at the Bank Street School for Children on the Upper West Side claim it’s a novel approach to fighting discrimination, and that several other private New York schools are doing it, but even liberal parents aren’t buying it.
They complain the K-8 school of 430 kids is separating whites in classes where they’re made to feel awful about their “whiteness,” and all the “kids of color” in other rooms where they’re taught to feel proud about their race and are rewarded with treats and other privileges.
“Ever since Ferguson, the school has been increasing anti-white propaganda in its curriculum,” said a parent who requested anonymity because he has children currently enrolled in the school.
A Wisconsin high school is under fire after a parent accused a diversity class of promoting a critical race theory, alleging that students are being taught that minorities are disadvantaged by white oppressors, Fox News reports.
Delavan-Darien High School’s “American Diversity” course aims to help students “better understand oneself and recognize how feelings, ideas and beliefs interact with the ideas and beliefs of other individuals and groups,” according to the school’s website. By studying American society through the connections among culture, ethnicity, race, religion and gender issues, the course seeks to “create a more accurate picture of modern America.”
But an unnamed parent tells Fox News that assignments and class worksheets seem like “indoctrination.” A handout gives students a definition of “white privilege,” which appears to be taken from a book by the same name:
To put it charitably, some teachers think it's an appropriate way to introduce children to the topic of race and discrimination. I remember another school district that implemented a curriculum from an activist group on the issue, but it was protested and probably withdrawn.
^When you're mad the kids don't get the quality education in white supremacy they used to.
Top tier post, really showed those white supremacists.
Just btw people that completely dismiss the worries of others inevitably see the rise of the opposition. See Trump and blm.
If people are upset their high school age children are learning about the very real thing that is white privilege then boohoo. Its no different than parents crying their children learn the factual truth of evolution in science class. These things are real, your children need to learn it sooner or later, your feelings don't trump the truth. Do we want smarter, better, stronger, more compassionate children to lead the world to better places or do we want to shelter them and teach them lies and silly narrow minded nonsense so their feelings (or the parent's feelings) don't get hurt?
Your kids are in HS, they're going to be adults soon. White people objectively have it easier in America across the board, that's a fact and its time your kids learned it. Maybe they can try and make things better. You can't fix a problem by pretending it doesn't exist when its plain as day.
Puting evolution and white privilege on the same level, I don't think even creatonist are that deluded.
Not really, its pretty easy to observe that many major institutions favor white people and people in general have more favorable reactions to white people inside of the US. It is obvious if you look at a lot of various numbers to get a bigger picture...or you know just live here for any extended period of time that isn't restricted to the white dominated middle class and up areas. I'm guessing you have done neither.
Well it is like that because there are just happen to be richer white folks.
Tons of Asians that comes from even worse position than black people due to language barrier but yet Asian Americans are among the most in terms of net worth.
On September 23 2016 09:51 Doodsmack wrote: People do need to start seeing more nuance in these police shootings. If this guy in Charlotte had a gun, it's pretty clear the cop was justified.
What even is the Second Amendment? Americans are allowed guns, even the black ones. Pointing one at a cop is another matter but I'm always amazed at the way the right try to make it about whether or not he had a gun and the left agree to play that game by those rules. We all collectively concede that gun ownership isn't a black right and that the Second Amendment isn't worth shit in the eyes of the police.
There is a difference between the right to own a gun, and raising your hands with a gun in them when a cop is telling you to "drop the gun". Not saying that happened here, but that there is a world of difference between the right to own a gun and holding a gun while engaging with a cop, in a manner the latter might consider threathening.
Also, it was a black victim shoot by a black cop, with a black head of police department. So why is this a racial thing again?
It's a way of blaming white people in perpetuity and feeding off the division to get people in power in government, and as lackeys of government, for their own benefit, rather than addressing the root problems.
On September 23 2016 10:37 RealityIsKing wrote:
On September 23 2016 10:20 KwarK wrote:
On September 23 2016 10:05 GoTuNk! wrote: [quote]
There is a difference between the right to own a gun, and raising your hands with a gun in them when a cop is telling you to "drop the gun". Not saying that happened here, but that there is a world of difference between the right to own a gun and holding a gun while engaging with a cop, in a manner the latter might consider threathening.
Also, it was a black victim shoot by a black cop, with a black head of police department. So why is this a racial thing again?
Hi, this is your daily reminder that black people don't have a superpower that prevents them from learning any racism while growing up and living in a society with entrenched racism. It'd actually be really weird if they could do that. But, despite claims to the contrary by GG and xDaunt, black people are actually human.
Also I wasn't referring to this specific incident, just commenting on the way gun ownership in the black community is seen as a deciding factor for police shootings, even though it's a constitutional right.
I think at this point, white people feel racism too.
Especially with the rise of BLM.
And teachers these days are guilt tripping their white students.
I mean that's not at all what a healthy society should be like.
Do you have a source for the teachers thing? I thought that was in the UK but I don't remember.
Scattered schools, sometimes even with believable good intentions:
An elite Manhattan school is teaching white students as young as 6 that they’re born racist and should feel guilty benefiting from “white privilege,” while heaping praise and cupcakes on their black peers.
Administrators at the Bank Street School for Children on the Upper West Side claim it’s a novel approach to fighting discrimination, and that several other private New York schools are doing it, but even liberal parents aren’t buying it.
They complain the K-8 school of 430 kids is separating whites in classes where they’re made to feel awful about their “whiteness,” and all the “kids of color” in other rooms where they’re taught to feel proud about their race and are rewarded with treats and other privileges.
“Ever since Ferguson, the school has been increasing anti-white propaganda in its curriculum,” said a parent who requested anonymity because he has children currently enrolled in the school.
A Wisconsin high school is under fire after a parent accused a diversity class of promoting a critical race theory, alleging that students are being taught that minorities are disadvantaged by white oppressors, Fox News reports.
Delavan-Darien High School’s “American Diversity” course aims to help students “better understand oneself and recognize how feelings, ideas and beliefs interact with the ideas and beliefs of other individuals and groups,” according to the school’s website. By studying American society through the connections among culture, ethnicity, race, religion and gender issues, the course seeks to “create a more accurate picture of modern America.”
But an unnamed parent tells Fox News that assignments and class worksheets seem like “indoctrination.” A handout gives students a definition of “white privilege,” which appears to be taken from a book by the same name:
To put it charitably, some teachers think it's an appropriate way to introduce children to the topic of race and discrimination. I remember another school district that implemented a curriculum from an activist group on the issue, but it was protested and probably withdrawn.
^When you're mad the kids don't get the quality education in white supremacy they used to.
Top tier post, really showed those white supremacists.
Just btw people that completely dismiss the worries of others inevitably see the rise of the opposition. See Trump and blm.
If people are upset their high school age children are learning about the very real thing that is white privilege then boohoo. Its no different than parents crying their children learn the factual truth of evolution in science class. These things are real, your children need to learn it sooner or later, your feelings don't trump the truth. Do we want smarter, better, stronger, more compassionate children to lead the world to better places or do we want to shelter them and teach them lies and silly narrow minded nonsense so their feelings (or the parent's feelings) don't get hurt?
Your kids are in HS, they're going to be adults soon. White people objectively have it easier in America across the board, that's a fact and its time your kids learned it. Maybe they can try and make things better. You can't fix a problem by pretending it doesn't exist when its plain as day.
Puting evolution and white privilege on the same level, I don't think even creatonist are that deluded.
Not really, its pretty easy to observe that many major institutions favor white people and people in general have more favorable reactions to white people inside of the US. It is obvious if you look at a lot of various numbers to get a bigger picture...or you know just live here for any extended period of time that isn't restricted to the white dominated middle class and up areas. I'm guessing you have done neither.
On September 23 2016 09:51 Doodsmack wrote: People do need to start seeing more nuance in these police shootings. If this guy in Charlotte had a gun, it's pretty clear the cop was justified.
What even is the Second Amendment? Americans are allowed guns, even the black ones. Pointing one at a cop is another matter but I'm always amazed at the way the right try to make it about whether or not he had a gun and the left agree to play that game by those rules. We all collectively concede that gun ownership isn't a black right and that the Second Amendment isn't worth shit in the eyes of the police.
There is a difference between the right to own a gun, and raising your hands with a gun in them when a cop is telling you to "drop the gun". Not saying that happened here, but that there is a world of difference between the right to own a gun and holding a gun while engaging with a cop, in a manner the latter might consider threathening.
Also, it was a black victim shoot by a black cop, with a black head of police department. So why is this a racial thing again?
It's a way of blaming white people in perpetuity and feeding off the division to get people in power in government, and as lackeys of government, for their own benefit, rather than addressing the root problems.
On September 23 2016 10:37 RealityIsKing wrote:
On September 23 2016 10:20 KwarK wrote:
On September 23 2016 10:05 GoTuNk! wrote:
On September 23 2016 09:58 KwarK wrote: [quote] What even is the Second Amendment? Americans are allowed guns, even the black ones. Pointing one at a cop is another matter but I'm always amazed at the way the right try to make it about whether or not he had a gun and the left agree to play that game by those rules. We all collectively concede that gun ownership isn't a black right and that the Second Amendment isn't worth shit in the eyes of the police.
There is a difference between the right to own a gun, and raising your hands with a gun in them when a cop is telling you to "drop the gun". Not saying that happened here, but that there is a world of difference between the right to own a gun and holding a gun while engaging with a cop, in a manner the latter might consider threathening.
Also, it was a black victim shoot by a black cop, with a black head of police department. So why is this a racial thing again?
Hi, this is your daily reminder that black people don't have a superpower that prevents them from learning any racism while growing up and living in a society with entrenched racism. It'd actually be really weird if they could do that. But, despite claims to the contrary by GG and xDaunt, black people are actually human.
Also I wasn't referring to this specific incident, just commenting on the way gun ownership in the black community is seen as a deciding factor for police shootings, even though it's a constitutional right.
I think at this point, white people feel racism too.
Especially with the rise of BLM.
And teachers these days are guilt tripping their white students.
I mean that's not at all what a healthy society should be like.
Do you have a source for the teachers thing? I thought that was in the UK but I don't remember.
Scattered schools, sometimes even with believable good intentions:
An elite Manhattan school is teaching white students as young as 6 that they’re born racist and should feel guilty benefiting from “white privilege,” while heaping praise and cupcakes on their black peers.
Administrators at the Bank Street School for Children on the Upper West Side claim it’s a novel approach to fighting discrimination, and that several other private New York schools are doing it, but even liberal parents aren’t buying it.
They complain the K-8 school of 430 kids is separating whites in classes where they’re made to feel awful about their “whiteness,” and all the “kids of color” in other rooms where they’re taught to feel proud about their race and are rewarded with treats and other privileges.
“Ever since Ferguson, the school has been increasing anti-white propaganda in its curriculum,” said a parent who requested anonymity because he has children currently enrolled in the school.
A Wisconsin high school is under fire after a parent accused a diversity class of promoting a critical race theory, alleging that students are being taught that minorities are disadvantaged by white oppressors, Fox News reports.
Delavan-Darien High School’s “American Diversity” course aims to help students “better understand oneself and recognize how feelings, ideas and beliefs interact with the ideas and beliefs of other individuals and groups,” according to the school’s website. By studying American society through the connections among culture, ethnicity, race, religion and gender issues, the course seeks to “create a more accurate picture of modern America.”
But an unnamed parent tells Fox News that assignments and class worksheets seem like “indoctrination.” A handout gives students a definition of “white privilege,” which appears to be taken from a book by the same name:
To put it charitably, some teachers think it's an appropriate way to introduce children to the topic of race and discrimination. I remember another school district that implemented a curriculum from an activist group on the issue, but it was protested and probably withdrawn.
^When you're mad the kids don't get the quality education in white supremacy they used to.
Top tier post, really showed those white supremacists.
Just btw people that completely dismiss the worries of others inevitably see the rise of the opposition. See Trump and blm.
If people are upset their high school age children are learning about the very real thing that is white privilege then boohoo. Its no different than parents crying their children learn the factual truth of evolution in science class. These things are real, your children need to learn it sooner or later, your feelings don't trump the truth. Do we want smarter, better, stronger, more compassionate children to lead the world to better places or do we want to shelter them and teach them lies and silly narrow minded nonsense so their feelings (or the parent's feelings) don't get hurt?
Your kids are in HS, they're going to be adults soon. White people objectively have it easier in America across the board, that's a fact and its time your kids learned it. Maybe they can try and make things better. You can't fix a problem by pretending it doesn't exist when its plain as day.
Puting evolution and white privilege on the same level, I don't think even creatonist are that deluded.
On September 23 2016 09:58 KwarK wrote: [quote] What even is the Second Amendment? Americans are allowed guns, even the black ones. Pointing one at a cop is another matter but I'm always amazed at the way the right try to make it about whether or not he had a gun and the left agree to play that game by those rules. We all collectively concede that gun ownership isn't a black right and that the Second Amendment isn't worth shit in the eyes of the police.
There is a difference between the right to own a gun, and raising your hands with a gun in them when a cop is telling you to "drop the gun". Not saying that happened here, but that there is a world of difference between the right to own a gun and holding a gun while engaging with a cop, in a manner the latter might consider threathening.
Also, it was a black victim shoot by a black cop, with a black head of police department. So why is this a racial thing again?
It's a way of blaming white people in perpetuity and feeding off the division to get people in power in government, and as lackeys of government, for their own benefit, rather than addressing the root problems.
On September 23 2016 10:37 RealityIsKing wrote:
On September 23 2016 10:20 KwarK wrote: [quote] Hi, this is your daily reminder that black people don't have a superpower that prevents them from learning any racism while growing up and living in a society with entrenched racism. It'd actually be really weird if they could do that. But, despite claims to the contrary by GG and xDaunt, black people are actually human.
Also I wasn't referring to this specific incident, just commenting on the way gun ownership in the black community is seen as a deciding factor for police shootings, even though it's a constitutional right.
I think at this point, white people feel racism too.
Especially with the rise of BLM.
And teachers these days are guilt tripping their white students.
I mean that's not at all what a healthy society should be like.
Do you have a source for the teachers thing? I thought that was in the UK but I don't remember.
Scattered schools, sometimes even with believable good intentions:
An elite Manhattan school is teaching white students as young as 6 that they’re born racist and should feel guilty benefiting from “white privilege,” while heaping praise and cupcakes on their black peers.
Administrators at the Bank Street School for Children on the Upper West Side claim it’s a novel approach to fighting discrimination, and that several other private New York schools are doing it, but even liberal parents aren’t buying it.
They complain the K-8 school of 430 kids is separating whites in classes where they’re made to feel awful about their “whiteness,” and all the “kids of color” in other rooms where they’re taught to feel proud about their race and are rewarded with treats and other privileges.
“Ever since Ferguson, the school has been increasing anti-white propaganda in its curriculum,” said a parent who requested anonymity because he has children currently enrolled in the school.
A Wisconsin high school is under fire after a parent accused a diversity class of promoting a critical race theory, alleging that students are being taught that minorities are disadvantaged by white oppressors, Fox News reports.
Delavan-Darien High School’s “American Diversity” course aims to help students “better understand oneself and recognize how feelings, ideas and beliefs interact with the ideas and beliefs of other individuals and groups,” according to the school’s website. By studying American society through the connections among culture, ethnicity, race, religion and gender issues, the course seeks to “create a more accurate picture of modern America.”
But an unnamed parent tells Fox News that assignments and class worksheets seem like “indoctrination.” A handout gives students a definition of “white privilege,” which appears to be taken from a book by the same name:
To put it charitably, some teachers think it's an appropriate way to introduce children to the topic of race and discrimination. I remember another school district that implemented a curriculum from an activist group on the issue, but it was protested and probably withdrawn.
^When you're mad the kids don't get the quality education in white supremacy they used to.
Top tier post, really showed those white supremacists.
Just btw people that completely dismiss the worries of others inevitably see the rise of the opposition. See Trump and blm.
If people are upset their high school age children are learning about the very real thing that is white privilege then boohoo. Its no different than parents crying their children learn the factual truth of evolution in science class. These things are real, your children need to learn it sooner or later, your feelings don't trump the truth. Do we want smarter, better, stronger, more compassionate children to lead the world to better places or do we want to shelter them and teach them lies and silly narrow minded nonsense so their feelings (or the parent's feelings) don't get hurt?
Your kids are in HS, they're going to be adults soon. White people objectively have it easier in America across the board, that's a fact and its time your kids learned it. Maybe they can try and make things better. You can't fix a problem by pretending it doesn't exist when its plain as day.
Puting evolution and white privilege on the same level, I don't think even creatonist are that deluded.
Not really, its pretty easy to observe that many major institutions favor white people and people in general have more favorable reactions to white people inside of the US. It is obvious if you look at a lot of various numbers to get a bigger picture...or you know just live here for any extended period of time that isn't restricted to the white dominated middle class and up areas. I'm guessing you have done neither.
And why is that?
This is the key question. It's all well and good to point out problems with how the system and people in it are dealt with differently but I've never seen an explanation from a leftist on this specific question that didn't ultimately boil down "they have different coloured skin." That seems like a ridiculous premise on the face of it.
There is a difference between the right to own a gun, and raising your hands with a gun in them when a cop is telling you to "drop the gun". Not saying that happened here, but that there is a world of difference between the right to own a gun and holding a gun while engaging with a cop, in a manner the latter might consider threathening.
Also, it was a black victim shoot by a black cop, with a black head of police department. So why is this a racial thing again?
It's a way of blaming white people in perpetuity and feeding off the division to get people in power in government, and as lackeys of government, for their own benefit, rather than addressing the root problems.
On September 23 2016 10:37 RealityIsKing wrote: [quote]
I think at this point, white people feel racism too.
Especially with the rise of BLM.
And teachers these days are guilt tripping their white students.
I mean that's not at all what a healthy society should be like.
Do you have a source for the teachers thing? I thought that was in the UK but I don't remember.
Scattered schools, sometimes even with believable good intentions:
An elite Manhattan school is teaching white students as young as 6 that they’re born racist and should feel guilty benefiting from “white privilege,” while heaping praise and cupcakes on their black peers.
Administrators at the Bank Street School for Children on the Upper West Side claim it’s a novel approach to fighting discrimination, and that several other private New York schools are doing it, but even liberal parents aren’t buying it.
They complain the K-8 school of 430 kids is separating whites in classes where they’re made to feel awful about their “whiteness,” and all the “kids of color” in other rooms where they’re taught to feel proud about their race and are rewarded with treats and other privileges.
“Ever since Ferguson, the school has been increasing anti-white propaganda in its curriculum,” said a parent who requested anonymity because he has children currently enrolled in the school.
A Wisconsin high school is under fire after a parent accused a diversity class of promoting a critical race theory, alleging that students are being taught that minorities are disadvantaged by white oppressors, Fox News reports.
Delavan-Darien High School’s “American Diversity” course aims to help students “better understand oneself and recognize how feelings, ideas and beliefs interact with the ideas and beliefs of other individuals and groups,” according to the school’s website. By studying American society through the connections among culture, ethnicity, race, religion and gender issues, the course seeks to “create a more accurate picture of modern America.”
But an unnamed parent tells Fox News that assignments and class worksheets seem like “indoctrination.” A handout gives students a definition of “white privilege,” which appears to be taken from a book by the same name:
To put it charitably, some teachers think it's an appropriate way to introduce children to the topic of race and discrimination. I remember another school district that implemented a curriculum from an activist group on the issue, but it was protested and probably withdrawn.
^When you're mad the kids don't get the quality education in white supremacy they used to.
Top tier post, really showed those white supremacists.
Just btw people that completely dismiss the worries of others inevitably see the rise of the opposition. See Trump and blm.
If people are upset their high school age children are learning about the very real thing that is white privilege then boohoo. Its no different than parents crying their children learn the factual truth of evolution in science class. These things are real, your children need to learn it sooner or later, your feelings don't trump the truth. Do we want smarter, better, stronger, more compassionate children to lead the world to better places or do we want to shelter them and teach them lies and silly narrow minded nonsense so their feelings (or the parent's feelings) don't get hurt?
Your kids are in HS, they're going to be adults soon. White people objectively have it easier in America across the board, that's a fact and its time your kids learned it. Maybe they can try and make things better. You can't fix a problem by pretending it doesn't exist when its plain as day.
Puting evolution and white privilege on the same level, I don't think even creatonist are that deluded.
Not really, its pretty easy to observe that many major institutions favor white people and people in general have more favorable reactions to white people inside of the US. It is obvious if you look at a lot of various numbers to get a bigger picture...or you know just live here for any extended period of time that isn't restricted to the white dominated middle class and up areas. I'm guessing you have done neither.
And why is that?
This is the key question. It's all well and good to point out problems with how the system and people in it are dealt with differently but I've never seen an explanation from a leftist on this specific question that didn't ultimately boil down "they have different coloured skin." That seems like a ridiculous premise on the face of it.
XDaunt should know this stuff because people have quoted the numbers that show things out of whack with institutions in regards to differential treatment. I will just take one: Criminal Justice. The whole thing, from how police come to observe race (and how that affects their arrest rates and interaction with communities) to the courts and how they tend to come down on minorities harder. Things like the war on drugs. To be clear its not 100% race motivated, a lot of it is biased against the poor (which is where economic and educational imbalances come into play).
All these things are interconnected and they pile onto each other. They are mostly small and in isolation may not seem like a big deal to you. Let us say for example how many black names get a lot of ridicule and people think they are ridiculous. White names are normalized in society and there is a bias against ethnic names. Same with language. How white people tend to speak is considered "proper" english and other forms are derided as being "not english" and just slang trash....despite the fact that multitude of dialects and accents of english exist around the US. This hurts job opportunities of minorities and favors white people. (side note this is even seen in male v female as studies where they handed out identical resumes and just changed the 1st names to be male or female the male resume got a lot more positive reviews despite being identical). Just having a name that identifies you as black can be a detriment. A lot of this derives from the fact that the people in the undisputed power positions who built and shaped the idea of society in the US were white, so white became synonymous with normal, with being an actual american. Similarly because whites have been in positions of power for so long it became the norm that they were in positions of power.
This gets at the small, subtle things that inform us as we make decisions in our every day life. We all have these small biases and while small in isolation for the working joe can become problems when people who have authority such as a police officer or a person hiring for a job have them against you. Even if small, when they exist everywhere it has an impact. I am not even talking about overt racism that is obvious. I am talking about the biases we ALL have, but white people due to the historical context of the US have been/are in most of the favorable positions in the country and this creates this. People will favor their own race, even if they aren't aware of it.
Edit: I pushed post halfway through righting this --;
On September 23 2016 09:51 Doodsmack wrote: People do need to start seeing more nuance in these police shootings. If this guy in Charlotte had a gun, it's pretty clear the cop was justified.
What even is the Second Amendment? Americans are allowed guns, even the black ones. Pointing one at a cop is another matter but I'm always amazed at the way the right try to make it about whether or not he had a gun and the left agree to play that game by those rules. We all collectively concede that gun ownership isn't a black right and that the Second Amendment isn't worth shit in the eyes of the police.
There is a difference between the right to own a gun, and raising your hands with a gun in them when a cop is telling you to "drop the gun". Not saying that happened here, but that there is a world of difference between the right to own a gun and holding a gun while engaging with a cop, in a manner the latter might consider threathening.
Also, it was a black victim shoot by a black cop, with a black head of police department. So why is this a racial thing again?
It's a way of blaming white people in perpetuity and feeding off the division to get people in power in government, and as lackeys of government, for their own benefit, rather than addressing the root problems.
On September 23 2016 10:37 RealityIsKing wrote:
On September 23 2016 10:20 KwarK wrote:
On September 23 2016 10:05 GoTuNk! wrote:
On September 23 2016 09:58 KwarK wrote:
On September 23 2016 09:51 Doodsmack wrote: People do need to start seeing more nuance in these police shootings. If this guy in Charlotte had a gun, it's pretty clear the cop was justified.
What even is the Second Amendment? Americans are allowed guns, even the black ones. Pointing one at a cop is another matter but I'm always amazed at the way the right try to make it about whether or not he had a gun and the left agree to play that game by those rules. We all collectively concede that gun ownership isn't a black right and that the Second Amendment isn't worth shit in the eyes of the police.
There is a difference between the right to own a gun, and raising your hands with a gun in them when a cop is telling you to "drop the gun". Not saying that happened here, but that there is a world of difference between the right to own a gun and holding a gun while engaging with a cop, in a manner the latter might consider threathening.
Also, it was a black victim shoot by a black cop, with a black head of police department. So why is this a racial thing again?
Hi, this is your daily reminder that black people don't have a superpower that prevents them from learning any racism while growing up and living in a society with entrenched racism. It'd actually be really weird if they could do that. But, despite claims to the contrary by GG and xDaunt, black people are actually human.
Also I wasn't referring to this specific incident, just commenting on the way gun ownership in the black community is seen as a deciding factor for police shootings, even though it's a constitutional right.
I think at this point, white people feel racism too.
Especially with the rise of BLM.
And teachers these days are guilt tripping their white students.
I mean that's not at all what a healthy society should be like.
Do you have a source for the teachers thing? I thought that was in the UK but I don't remember.
Scattered schools, sometimes even with believable good intentions:
An elite Manhattan school is teaching white students as young as 6 that they’re born racist and should feel guilty benefiting from “white privilege,” while heaping praise and cupcakes on their black peers.
Administrators at the Bank Street School for Children on the Upper West Side claim it’s a novel approach to fighting discrimination, and that several other private New York schools are doing it, but even liberal parents aren’t buying it.
They complain the K-8 school of 430 kids is separating whites in classes where they’re made to feel awful about their “whiteness,” and all the “kids of color” in other rooms where they’re taught to feel proud about their race and are rewarded with treats and other privileges.
“Ever since Ferguson, the school has been increasing anti-white propaganda in its curriculum,” said a parent who requested anonymity because he has children currently enrolled in the school.
A Wisconsin high school is under fire after a parent accused a diversity class of promoting a critical race theory, alleging that students are being taught that minorities are disadvantaged by white oppressors, Fox News reports.
Delavan-Darien High School’s “American Diversity” course aims to help students “better understand oneself and recognize how feelings, ideas and beliefs interact with the ideas and beliefs of other individuals and groups,” according to the school’s website. By studying American society through the connections among culture, ethnicity, race, religion and gender issues, the course seeks to “create a more accurate picture of modern America.”
But an unnamed parent tells Fox News that assignments and class worksheets seem like “indoctrination.” A handout gives students a definition of “white privilege,” which appears to be taken from a book by the same name:
To put it charitably, some teachers think it's an appropriate way to introduce children to the topic of race and discrimination. I remember another school district that implemented a curriculum from an activist group on the issue, but it was protested and probably withdrawn.
^When you're mad the kids don't get the quality education in white supremacy they used to.
Top tier post, really showed those white supremacists.
Just btw people that completely dismiss the worries of others inevitably see the rise of the opposition. See Trump and blm.
If people are upset their high school age children are learning about the very real thing that is white privilege then boohoo. Its no different than parents crying their children learn the factual truth of evolution in science class. These things are real, your children need to learn it sooner or later, your feelings don't trump the truth. Do we want smarter, better, stronger, more compassionate children to lead the world to better places or do we want to shelter them and teach them lies and silly narrow minded nonsense so their feelings (or the parent's feelings) don't get hurt?
You skipping the treatment of elementary schoolers is a bit telling. We do want smart and compassionate children, and for certain reasons I'll try to expose, if you go too far to the left you stop getting those results.
Your kids are in HS, they're going to be adults soon. White people objectively have it easier in America across the board, that's a fact and its time your kids learned it. Maybe they can try and make things better. You can't fix a problem by pretending it doesn't exist when its plain as day.
Collectivism is fundamentally broken because the traits of a group don't transfer to the individual. This oppressor class theory is more divisive than beneficial to mankind, and it's what people are actually referring to by cultural marxism. If you're teaching white people.they're evil and minorities that they're victims (which wouldn't even be right for Asians or Jews), you're only going to perpetuate that, it's not any kind of fix at all. And your pet political-economic theory is not equivalent to the rigor of a central theory in natural science, that thought itself is anti-science. Its purpose is it creates opportunities for the people spreading the theory, in government, in nonprofits, as consultants, college administrators, where they can multiply and keep the machine going. The actual fixes are not complicated (but difficult, not a magic wand), it's just that it's easier for people to protest and lobby than it is to actually work and build shit in the world and the ongoing fight against poverty and crime in the world isn't as lucrative as the sale of identities:
-Reform the criminal justice system, including fixing the war on drugs so we don't imprison people for marijuana on an industrial level. But one reason the criminal justice system affects certain minorities worse, besides the old Nixon stuff, is that they are statistically more criminal. No, this is not a biological trait, it's a historical accident. But there are serious crime problems for many communities. We have to grant there's a way to break up that cycle that isn't racist to move forward. -Teach poor children with an actual education to do things in the world with their life -Keep poor families together, especially black fathers getting speared by crime and the courts -Facilitate poor people rising to control businesses and investments in their own communities
Earlier you strawmanned RealityIsKing as The classic "reverse racism is worse than actual racism"? By 'compassion' we also need the solidarity to realize things like this + Show Spoiler +
are related to skin color. The more divisive one side is the less others will bother.
On September 23 2016 11:25 oBlade wrote: [quote] It's a way of blaming white people in perpetuity and feeding off the division to get people in power in government, and as lackeys of government, for their own benefit, rather than addressing the root problems.
[quote] Do you have a source for the teachers thing? I thought that was in the UK but I don't remember.
Scattered schools, sometimes even with believable good intentions:
An elite Manhattan school is teaching white students as young as 6 that they’re born racist and should feel guilty benefiting from “white privilege,” while heaping praise and cupcakes on their black peers.
Administrators at the Bank Street School for Children on the Upper West Side claim it’s a novel approach to fighting discrimination, and that several other private New York schools are doing it, but even liberal parents aren’t buying it.
They complain the K-8 school of 430 kids is separating whites in classes where they’re made to feel awful about their “whiteness,” and all the “kids of color” in other rooms where they’re taught to feel proud about their race and are rewarded with treats and other privileges.
“Ever since Ferguson, the school has been increasing anti-white propaganda in its curriculum,” said a parent who requested anonymity because he has children currently enrolled in the school.
A Wisconsin high school is under fire after a parent accused a diversity class of promoting a critical race theory, alleging that students are being taught that minorities are disadvantaged by white oppressors, Fox News reports.
Delavan-Darien High School’s “American Diversity” course aims to help students “better understand oneself and recognize how feelings, ideas and beliefs interact with the ideas and beliefs of other individuals and groups,” according to the school’s website. By studying American society through the connections among culture, ethnicity, race, religion and gender issues, the course seeks to “create a more accurate picture of modern America.”
But an unnamed parent tells Fox News that assignments and class worksheets seem like “indoctrination.” A handout gives students a definition of “white privilege,” which appears to be taken from a book by the same name:
To put it charitably, some teachers think it's an appropriate way to introduce children to the topic of race and discrimination. I remember another school district that implemented a curriculum from an activist group on the issue, but it was protested and probably withdrawn.
^When you're mad the kids don't get the quality education in white supremacy they used to.
Top tier post, really showed those white supremacists.
Just btw people that completely dismiss the worries of others inevitably see the rise of the opposition. See Trump and blm.
If people are upset their high school age children are learning about the very real thing that is white privilege then boohoo. Its no different than parents crying their children learn the factual truth of evolution in science class. These things are real, your children need to learn it sooner or later, your feelings don't trump the truth. Do we want smarter, better, stronger, more compassionate children to lead the world to better places or do we want to shelter them and teach them lies and silly narrow minded nonsense so their feelings (or the parent's feelings) don't get hurt?
Your kids are in HS, they're going to be adults soon. White people objectively have it easier in America across the board, that's a fact and its time your kids learned it. Maybe they can try and make things better. You can't fix a problem by pretending it doesn't exist when its plain as day.
Puting evolution and white privilege on the same level, I don't think even creatonist are that deluded.
Not really, its pretty easy to observe that many major institutions favor white people and people in general have more favorable reactions to white people inside of the US. It is obvious if you look at a lot of various numbers to get a bigger picture...or you know just live here for any extended period of time that isn't restricted to the white dominated middle class and up areas. I'm guessing you have done neither.
And why is that?
This is the key question. It's all well and good to point out problems with how the system and people in it are dealt with differently but I've never seen an explanation from a leftist on this specific question that didn't ultimately boil down "they have different coloured skin." That seems like a ridiculous premise on the face of it.
XDaunt should know this stuff because people have quoted the numbers that show things out of whack with institutions in regards to differential treatment. I will just take one: Criminal Justice. The whole thing, from how police come to observe race (and how that affects their arrest rates and interaction with communities) to the courts and how they tend to come down on minorities harder. Things like the war on drugs. To be clear its not 100% race motivated, a lot of it is biased against the poor (which is where economic and educational imbalances come into play).
All these things are interconnected and they pile onto each other. They are mostly small and in isolation may not seem like a big deal to you. Let us say for example how many black names get a lot of ridicule and people think they are credulous.
Yes, I have already accepted the premise that black people are treated differently at various levels of society. I'm asking why are they treated differently.
On September 23 2016 09:51 Doodsmack wrote: People do need to start seeing more nuance in these police shootings. If this guy in Charlotte had a gun, it's pretty clear the cop was justified.
What even is the Second Amendment? Americans are allowed guns, even the black ones. Pointing one at a cop is another matter but I'm always amazed at the way the right try to make it about whether or not he had a gun and the left agree to play that game by those rules. We all collectively concede that gun ownership isn't a black right and that the Second Amendment isn't worth shit in the eyes of the police.
There is a difference between the right to own a gun, and raising your hands with a gun in them when a cop is telling you to "drop the gun". Not saying that happened here, but that there is a world of difference between the right to own a gun and holding a gun while engaging with a cop, in a manner the latter might consider threathening.
Also, it was a black victim shoot by a black cop, with a black head of police department. So why is this a racial thing again?
It's a way of blaming white people in perpetuity and feeding off the division to get people in power in government, and as lackeys of government, for their own benefit, rather than addressing the root problems.
On September 23 2016 10:37 RealityIsKing wrote:
On September 23 2016 10:20 KwarK wrote:
On September 23 2016 10:05 GoTuNk! wrote:
On September 23 2016 09:58 KwarK wrote: [quote] What even is the Second Amendment? Americans are allowed guns, even the black ones. Pointing one at a cop is another matter but I'm always amazed at the way the right try to make it about whether or not he had a gun and the left agree to play that game by those rules. We all collectively concede that gun ownership isn't a black right and that the Second Amendment isn't worth shit in the eyes of the police.
There is a difference between the right to own a gun, and raising your hands with a gun in them when a cop is telling you to "drop the gun". Not saying that happened here, but that there is a world of difference between the right to own a gun and holding a gun while engaging with a cop, in a manner the latter might consider threathening.
Also, it was a black victim shoot by a black cop, with a black head of police department. So why is this a racial thing again?
Hi, this is your daily reminder that black people don't have a superpower that prevents them from learning any racism while growing up and living in a society with entrenched racism. It'd actually be really weird if they could do that. But, despite claims to the contrary by GG and xDaunt, black people are actually human.
Also I wasn't referring to this specific incident, just commenting on the way gun ownership in the black community is seen as a deciding factor for police shootings, even though it's a constitutional right.
I think at this point, white people feel racism too.
Especially with the rise of BLM.
And teachers these days are guilt tripping their white students.
I mean that's not at all what a healthy society should be like.
Do you have a source for the teachers thing? I thought that was in the UK but I don't remember.
Scattered schools, sometimes even with believable good intentions:
An elite Manhattan school is teaching white students as young as 6 that they’re born racist and should feel guilty benefiting from “white privilege,” while heaping praise and cupcakes on their black peers.
Administrators at the Bank Street School for Children on the Upper West Side claim it’s a novel approach to fighting discrimination, and that several other private New York schools are doing it, but even liberal parents aren’t buying it.
They complain the K-8 school of 430 kids is separating whites in classes where they’re made to feel awful about their “whiteness,” and all the “kids of color” in other rooms where they’re taught to feel proud about their race and are rewarded with treats and other privileges.
“Ever since Ferguson, the school has been increasing anti-white propaganda in its curriculum,” said a parent who requested anonymity because he has children currently enrolled in the school.
A Wisconsin high school is under fire after a parent accused a diversity class of promoting a critical race theory, alleging that students are being taught that minorities are disadvantaged by white oppressors, Fox News reports.
Delavan-Darien High School’s “American Diversity” course aims to help students “better understand oneself and recognize how feelings, ideas and beliefs interact with the ideas and beliefs of other individuals and groups,” according to the school’s website. By studying American society through the connections among culture, ethnicity, race, religion and gender issues, the course seeks to “create a more accurate picture of modern America.”
But an unnamed parent tells Fox News that assignments and class worksheets seem like “indoctrination.” A handout gives students a definition of “white privilege,” which appears to be taken from a book by the same name:
To put it charitably, some teachers think it's an appropriate way to introduce children to the topic of race and discrimination. I remember another school district that implemented a curriculum from an activist group on the issue, but it was protested and probably withdrawn.
^When you're mad the kids don't get the quality education in white supremacy they used to.
Top tier post, really showed those white supremacists.
Just btw people that completely dismiss the worries of others inevitably see the rise of the opposition. See Trump and blm.
If people are upset their high school age children are learning about the very real thing that is white privilege then boohoo. Its no different than parents crying their children learn the factual truth of evolution in science class. These things are real, your children need to learn it sooner or later, your feelings don't trump the truth. Do we want smarter, better, stronger, more compassionate children to lead the world to better places or do we want to shelter them and teach them lies and silly narrow minded nonsense so their feelings (or the parent's feelings) don't get hurt?
You skipping the treatment of elementary schoolers is a bit telling. We do want smart and compassionate children, and for certain reasons I'll try to expose, if you go too far to the left you stop getting those results.
Your kids are in HS, they're going to be adults soon. White people objectively have it easier in America across the board, that's a fact and its time your kids learned it. Maybe they can try and make things better. You can't fix a problem by pretending it doesn't exist when its plain as day.
Collectivism is fundamentally broken because the traits of a group don't transfer to the individual. This oppressor class theory is more divisive than beneficial to mankind, and it's what people are actually referring to by cultural marxism. If you're teaching white people.they're evil and minorities that they're victims (which wouldn't even be right for Asians or Jews), you're only going to perpetuate that, it's not any kind of fix at all. And your pet political-economic theory is not equivalent to the rigor of a central theory in natural science, that thought itself is anti-science. Its purpose is it creates opportunities for the people spreading the theory, in government, in nonprofits, as consultants, college administrators, where they can multiply and keep the machine going. The actual fixes are not complicated (but difficult, not a magic wand), it's just that it's easier for people to protest and lobby than it is to actually work and build shit in the world and the ongoing fight against poverty and crime in the world isn't as lucrative as the sale of identities:
-Reform the criminal justice system, including fixing the war on drugs so we don't imprison people for marijuana on an industrial level. But one reason the criminal justice system affects certain minorities worse, besides the old Nixon stuff, is that they are statistically more criminal. No, this is not a biological trait, it's a historical accident. But there are serious crime problems for many communities. We have to grant there's a way to break up that cycle that isn't racist to move forward. -Teach poor children with an actual education to do things in the world with their life -Keep poor families together, especially black fathers getting speared by crime and the courts -Facilitate poor people rising to control businesses and investments in their own communities
Earlier you strawmanned RealityIsKing as The classic "reverse racism is worse than actual racism"? By 'compassion' we also need the solidarity to realize things like this + Show Spoiler +
are related to skin color. The more divisive one side is the less others will bother.
I skipped the elementary thing because the blurb that was posted was mostly opinion. Give me facts not opinion pieces. But I've got no problem with elementary kids learning about white privilege conceptually. The details of how they're taught are more up for debate than HS kids, but I've got no problem with them learning the truths of life at an early age. Learn that their black friends will be treated completely different than them for no legitimate reason.
To put it charitably, some teachers think it's an appropriate way to introduce children to the topic of race and discrimination. I remember another school district that implemented a curriculum from an activist group on the issue, but it was protested and probably withdrawn.
^When you're mad the kids don't get the quality education in white supremacy they used to.
Top tier post, really showed those white supremacists.
Just btw people that completely dismiss the worries of others inevitably see the rise of the opposition. See Trump and blm.
If people are upset their high school age children are learning about the very real thing that is white privilege then boohoo. Its no different than parents crying their children learn the factual truth of evolution in science class. These things are real, your children need to learn it sooner or later, your feelings don't trump the truth. Do we want smarter, better, stronger, more compassionate children to lead the world to better places or do we want to shelter them and teach them lies and silly narrow minded nonsense so their feelings (or the parent's feelings) don't get hurt?
Your kids are in HS, they're going to be adults soon. White people objectively have it easier in America across the board, that's a fact and its time your kids learned it. Maybe they can try and make things better. You can't fix a problem by pretending it doesn't exist when its plain as day.
Puting evolution and white privilege on the same level, I don't think even creatonist are that deluded.
Not really, its pretty easy to observe that many major institutions favor white people and people in general have more favorable reactions to white people inside of the US. It is obvious if you look at a lot of various numbers to get a bigger picture...or you know just live here for any extended period of time that isn't restricted to the white dominated middle class and up areas. I'm guessing you have done neither.
And why is that?
This is the key question. It's all well and good to point out problems with how the system and people in it are dealt with differently but I've never seen an explanation from a leftist on this specific question that didn't ultimately boil down "they have different coloured skin." That seems like a ridiculous premise on the face of it.
XDaunt should know this stuff because people have quoted the numbers that show things out of whack with institutions in regards to differential treatment. I will just take one: Criminal Justice. The whole thing, from how police come to observe race (and how that affects their arrest rates and interaction with communities) to the courts and how they tend to come down on minorities harder. Things like the war on drugs. To be clear its not 100% race motivated, a lot of it is biased against the poor (which is where economic and educational imbalances come into play).
All these things are interconnected and they pile onto each other. They are mostly small and in isolation may not seem like a big deal to you. Let us say for example how many black names get a lot of ridicule and people think they are credulous.
Yes, I have already accepted the premise that black people are treated differently at various levels of society. I'm asking why are they treated differently.
I explained it a little in the post above (accidentally hit post before I was done). To summarize that though: Whites built the institutions and were the only legal "americans" for so long so they were in all the power positions as the country was formed/built. So people equate whites with the quintessential "american", the norm and other races as other. Even forms of speech/names/behavior are not "favored" because they aren't from that "white norm". Lastly, people tend to favor their own race because they seem more familiar or more comfortable w/e.
So you have a country where all the power is basically occupied by whites, who will subtly favor their own race. There you get increased social mobility for other whites but not as much for blacks + the massive historical context of what slavery did and how far back it set blacks and the overt attitudes of many people earlier on of straight up thinking black people were inferior humans.
On September 23 2016 08:41 TheYango wrote: Jesus Christ, did we really have nothing better to do than argue for 10+ pages about whether xDaunt is a racist for calling rioters vermin?
Like even if you think that was there really nothing better to argue about?
It was actually mostly GGTemplar insisting that the word monkeys, as used to describe black people, has absolutely no racial context.
How did it even get to that? I really don't want to sift through 10 pages of this shit to actually follow the discussion.
I mostly just saw xDaunt's original post, kind of didn't think anything of it, and left. Come back to 10+ pages about it.
That's becoming a good smell test for the thread and political discourse theory. Would an observer immediately see the contentious point and know it will be hotly contested? The result was a foolish attempt to indict him on practically nothing.
Top tier post, really showed those white supremacists.
Just btw people that completely dismiss the worries of others inevitably see the rise of the opposition. See Trump and blm.
If people are upset their high school age children are learning about the very real thing that is white privilege then boohoo. Its no different than parents crying their children learn the factual truth of evolution in science class. These things are real, your children need to learn it sooner or later, your feelings don't trump the truth. Do we want smarter, better, stronger, more compassionate children to lead the world to better places or do we want to shelter them and teach them lies and silly narrow minded nonsense so their feelings (or the parent's feelings) don't get hurt?
Your kids are in HS, they're going to be adults soon. White people objectively have it easier in America across the board, that's a fact and its time your kids learned it. Maybe they can try and make things better. You can't fix a problem by pretending it doesn't exist when its plain as day.
Puting evolution and white privilege on the same level, I don't think even creatonist are that deluded.
Not really, its pretty easy to observe that many major institutions favor white people and people in general have more favorable reactions to white people inside of the US. It is obvious if you look at a lot of various numbers to get a bigger picture...or you know just live here for any extended period of time that isn't restricted to the white dominated middle class and up areas. I'm guessing you have done neither.
And why is that?
This is the key question. It's all well and good to point out problems with how the system and people in it are dealt with differently but I've never seen an explanation from a leftist on this specific question that didn't ultimately boil down "they have different coloured skin." That seems like a ridiculous premise on the face of it.
XDaunt should know this stuff because people have quoted the numbers that show things out of whack with institutions in regards to differential treatment. I will just take one: Criminal Justice. The whole thing, from how police come to observe race (and how that affects their arrest rates and interaction with communities) to the courts and how they tend to come down on minorities harder. Things like the war on drugs. To be clear its not 100% race motivated, a lot of it is biased against the poor (which is where economic and educational imbalances come into play).
All these things are interconnected and they pile onto each other. They are mostly small and in isolation may not seem like a big deal to you. Let us say for example how many black names get a lot of ridicule and people think they are credulous.
Yes, I have already accepted the premise that black people are treated differently at various levels of society. I'm asking why are they treated differently.
I explained it a little in the post above (accidentally hit post before I was done). To summarize that though: Whites built the institutions and were the only legal "americans" for so long so they were in all the power positions as the country was formed/built. So people equate whites with the quintessential "american", the norm and other races as other. Even forms of speech/names/behavior are not "favored" because they aren't from that "white norm". Lastly, people tend to favor their own race because they seem more familiar or more comfortable w/e.
So you have a country where all the power is basically occupied by whites, who will subtly favor their own race. There you get increased social mobility for other whites but not as much for blacks + the massive historical context of what slavery did and how far back it set blacks and the overt attitudes of many people earlier on of straight up thinking black people were inferior humans.
I get your point, but I don't quite see it that way. I think that class mobility (specifically upward) is really hard generally, having money makes it more likely you'll be able to acquire money. The country (obviously) got off on very much the wrong foot in importing another race to be a slave underclass and it'll take much longer than a few hundred years for things to change on such a large scale. The crime, sentencing, social issues, "othering" you spoke of in your post are manifestations of class prejudices, not racial ones.
My real problem with all this is that focusing only on race actually makes the problem worse. The problem becomes much easier for any one person (on either side of the fence) to overcome when it's viewed from the lens of poor people needing assistance in improving their lives through education/skills/job experience. Having to overcome both poverty AND the fact that anyone with no melanin in their skin is a KKK member who secretly wants you burned is impossible, so why bother? oBlade covered some of the reasons why this happens and I very truly believe that collectivism (ie leftist political thought) is not going to solve the problem. That's not to say the Republicans are angels looking out for minorities but a political ideology that acknowledges the individual as the most important factor in improving their life is the only way out of the problem. The other way only serves to perpetuate the division along the lines of race and that's why you're seeing the problem get worse, not better.
Top tier post, really showed those white supremacists.
Just btw people that completely dismiss the worries of others inevitably see the rise of the opposition. See Trump and blm.
If people are upset their high school age children are learning about the very real thing that is white privilege then boohoo. Its no different than parents crying their children learn the factual truth of evolution in science class. These things are real, your children need to learn it sooner or later, your feelings don't trump the truth. Do we want smarter, better, stronger, more compassionate children to lead the world to better places or do we want to shelter them and teach them lies and silly narrow minded nonsense so their feelings (or the parent's feelings) don't get hurt?
Your kids are in HS, they're going to be adults soon. White people objectively have it easier in America across the board, that's a fact and its time your kids learned it. Maybe they can try and make things better. You can't fix a problem by pretending it doesn't exist when its plain as day.
Puting evolution and white privilege on the same level, I don't think even creatonist are that deluded.
Not really, its pretty easy to observe that many major institutions favor white people and people in general have more favorable reactions to white people inside of the US. It is obvious if you look at a lot of various numbers to get a bigger picture...or you know just live here for any extended period of time that isn't restricted to the white dominated middle class and up areas. I'm guessing you have done neither.
And why is that?
This is the key question. It's all well and good to point out problems with how the system and people in it are dealt with differently but I've never seen an explanation from a leftist on this specific question that didn't ultimately boil down "they have different coloured skin." That seems like a ridiculous premise on the face of it.
XDaunt should know this stuff because people have quoted the numbers that show things out of whack with institutions in regards to differential treatment. I will just take one: Criminal Justice. The whole thing, from how police come to observe race (and how that affects their arrest rates and interaction with communities) to the courts and how they tend to come down on minorities harder. Things like the war on drugs. To be clear its not 100% race motivated, a lot of it is biased against the poor (which is where economic and educational imbalances come into play).
All these things are interconnected and they pile onto each other. They are mostly small and in isolation may not seem like a big deal to you. Let us say for example how many black names get a lot of ridicule and people think they are credulous.
Yes, I have already accepted the premise that black people are treated differently at various levels of society. I'm asking why are they treated differently.
I explained it a little in the post above (accidentally hit post before I was done). To summarize that though: Whites built the institutions and were the only legal "americans" for so long so they were in all the power positions as the country was formed/built. So people equate whites with the quintessential "american", the norm and other races as other. Even forms of speech/names/behavior are not "favored" because they aren't from that "white norm". Lastly, people tend to favor their own race because they seem more familiar or more comfortable w/e.
So you have a country where all the power is basically occupied by whites, who will subtly favor their own race. There you get increased social mobility for other whites but not as much for blacks + the massive historical context of what slavery did and how far back it set blacks and the overt attitudes of many people earlier on of straight up thinking black people were inferior humans.
Total population in 2010 White American 223,553,265 72.4 % Black American 38,929,319 12.6 %
On September 23 2016 12:31 bo1b wrote: [quote] Top tier post, really showed those white supremacists.
Just btw people that completely dismiss the worries of others inevitably see the rise of the opposition. See Trump and blm.
If people are upset their high school age children are learning about the very real thing that is white privilege then boohoo. Its no different than parents crying their children learn the factual truth of evolution in science class. These things are real, your children need to learn it sooner or later, your feelings don't trump the truth. Do we want smarter, better, stronger, more compassionate children to lead the world to better places or do we want to shelter them and teach them lies and silly narrow minded nonsense so their feelings (or the parent's feelings) don't get hurt?
Your kids are in HS, they're going to be adults soon. White people objectively have it easier in America across the board, that's a fact and its time your kids learned it. Maybe they can try and make things better. You can't fix a problem by pretending it doesn't exist when its plain as day.
Puting evolution and white privilege on the same level, I don't think even creatonist are that deluded.
Not really, its pretty easy to observe that many major institutions favor white people and people in general have more favorable reactions to white people inside of the US. It is obvious if you look at a lot of various numbers to get a bigger picture...or you know just live here for any extended period of time that isn't restricted to the white dominated middle class and up areas. I'm guessing you have done neither.
And why is that?
This is the key question. It's all well and good to point out problems with how the system and people in it are dealt with differently but I've never seen an explanation from a leftist on this specific question that didn't ultimately boil down "they have different coloured skin." That seems like a ridiculous premise on the face of it.
XDaunt should know this stuff because people have quoted the numbers that show things out of whack with institutions in regards to differential treatment. I will just take one: Criminal Justice. The whole thing, from how police come to observe race (and how that affects their arrest rates and interaction with communities) to the courts and how they tend to come down on minorities harder. Things like the war on drugs. To be clear its not 100% race motivated, a lot of it is biased against the poor (which is where economic and educational imbalances come into play).
All these things are interconnected and they pile onto each other. They are mostly small and in isolation may not seem like a big deal to you. Let us say for example how many black names get a lot of ridicule and people think they are credulous.
Yes, I have already accepted the premise that black people are treated differently at various levels of society. I'm asking why are they treated differently.
I explained it a little in the post above (accidentally hit post before I was done). To summarize that though: Whites built the institutions and were the only legal "americans" for so long so they were in all the power positions as the country was formed/built. So people equate whites with the quintessential "american", the norm and other races as other. Even forms of speech/names/behavior are not "favored" because they aren't from that "white norm". Lastly, people tend to favor their own race because they seem more familiar or more comfortable w/e.
So you have a country where all the power is basically occupied by whites, who will subtly favor their own race. There you get increased social mobility for other whites but not as much for blacks + the massive historical context of what slavery did and how far back it set blacks and the overt attitudes of many people earlier on of straight up thinking black people were inferior humans.
Total population in 2010 White American 223,553,265 72.4 % Black American 38,929,319 12.6 %
so 12% should dictate what is "the norm"?
Careful, globalization is a thing and it may actually be a surprise to some people, but white people don't make up much more than 12% of the population.
The last ~24 hours of discussion have put a sobering thought into my head, and I wonder what you guys think of it. Basically, in the last 50 or so years, there's been a strong anti-racist movement in the country as a whole. Laws that discriminate against blacks became widely considered unacceptable, public figures are shunned for expressing racist ideas or using racist epithets. The implied justification was that we as a society were making a concerted effort to eliminate racism as much as possible, and drive whatever resistant strains that survived to . Considered with other historical moves towards equality (elimination of slavery, blacks joining the military, Brown v. Board, etc.), it fit nicely with an overarching narrative of racial progress.
Maybe this is just a problem with anecdotal evidence, but it seems to me those attitudes are completely different in a lot of people today. Hardened Trump supporters often try to deny that Trump is a racist, but far more frequently I see people that just don't seem to care much. They might even lean toward thinking he probably is, but it's just not that important an issue. This is really baffling to me, since for my whole life there's been a widespread cultural agreement that overt racism is one of the ugliest sides of human civilization and absolutely cannot be tolerated, but in the broad view of history, racism is absolutely the norm. Not always as bad as early American South racism, but it's always been pretty normal to distrust people with different cultural and ethnic background than you, treat them worse, value their life less than that of your family or friends or tribe members. I always figured that was just part of progress – unlike humans for most of history, we have cars and refrigerators and computers and a prevailing cultural understanding that racism is bad.
My sobering thought was this: what if we're not on an inevitable march toward progress and greater racial equality? What if the anti-racist attitudes of the last 50 years aren't a lasting cultural achievement, but just a temporary backlash against the ugly racism of the 40's and 50's? People saw how hideous that Nazi movement was, and they saw the horrible treatment of blacks in the South, and the lynching of Emmett Till, and the dogs and firehoses deployed against civil rights protesters, and for a while it became fashionable to be against racism.
But now that all that stuff isn't such recent memory, racism takes on all of the advantages that made it prevalent in human society before. Scapegoating is an easy way to feel better about your problems. Stereotyping is almost inescapable in the psychology of how humans understand the world. Many apparent virtues that people are encouraged to cultivate (e.g. loyalty, empathy) can subconsciously promote tribalism (e.g. loyalty involves favoring those you're close to over those you're not, empathy encourages greater connection to people who are more like you). Racial minorities are often small enough in number that society can get weird impressions of them simply from having too small a sample size, and once a weird (especially negative) bias gets in place, confirmation bias and self-fulfilling prophecy effects tend to maintain or expand that bias.
I've been hoping all the bigotry of the Trump movement would be remembered by history as a weird spike of bigotry as the white American middle class came to terms with several realities it had been in denial about for years. But what if history remembers these past ~50 years as that brief period where American society was largely anti-racist?
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