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On September 17 2016 02:03 xDaunt wrote:Show nested quote +On September 17 2016 01:57 LegalLord wrote:
Everyone has terrible supporters who go too far. A lot has been said about Trump's less pleasant supporters. Bernie had the Bernie Bros who were not that great. Hillary is not without her own bad supporters.
Whether said candidate enabled and encouraged said supporters, is the real question of interest. Exactly, and there's no doubt that the Clintons are well-versed in clandestinely spreading rumors such that they don't appear to be the source of the rumors. Higher level politicians do this all of the time. And it's not like Hillary ever came out and expressly denied it during the 2008 campaign (not to my recollection anyway).
http://mediamatters.org/research/2008/03/05/vieira-falsely-suggested-clinton-didnt-say-obam/142786
In fact, Clinton's first three words in response to the question -- "You don't believe that Senator Obama is a Muslim?" -- were, "Of course not."
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On September 17 2016 02:08 Dan HH wrote:Show nested quote +On September 17 2016 02:03 xDaunt wrote:On September 17 2016 01:57 LegalLord wrote:
Everyone has terrible supporters who go too far. A lot has been said about Trump's less pleasant supporters. Bernie had the Bernie Bros who were not that great. Hillary is not without her own bad supporters.
Whether said candidate enabled and encouraged said supporters, is the real question of interest. Exactly, and there's no doubt that the Clintons are well-versed in clandestinely spreading rumors such that they don't appear to be the source of the rumors. Higher level politicians do this all of the time. And it's not like Hillary ever came out and expressly denied it during the 2008 campaign (not to my recollection anyway). http://mediamatters.org/research/2008/03/05/vieira-falsely-suggested-clinton-didnt-say-obam/142786Show nested quote +In fact, Clinton's first three words in response to the question -- "You don't believe that Senator Obama is a Muslim?" -- were, "Of course not."
I was talking about denying the birther movement.
But thank you for bringing up that quote, because it provides another good example of Lyin' Hillary. Here she is denying that she thinks that Obama is a Muslim when her campaign undeniably was spreading rumors to the contrary, including that infamous Obama in a turban picture.
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On September 17 2016 02:08 xDaunt wrote:Ok, so now we know why Trump called the press conference today: Show nested quote +The media showed up to the presidential ballroom of the new Trump International Hotel on Friday morning expecting Donald Trump to take questions about whether he still questions if President Obama was born in the United States.
Instead, they got more than a half hour of a variety of military heroes — generals, medal of honor recipients and a gold star wife — expressing support for the Republican nominee. And it all aired live on the cable news networks.
Before the event, Trump tweeted: “I am now going to the brand new Trump International, Hotel D.C. for a major statement.” That was interpreted by the press to mean he was going to address “birther questions.”
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Realizing Trump was not using the occasion to address that subject — and instead focus it on the military — many in the press were not happy — and vented on Twitter. Source. Hilarious.
What a bunch of suckers.
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On September 17 2016 02:12 xDaunt wrote:Show nested quote +On September 17 2016 02:08 Dan HH wrote:On September 17 2016 02:03 xDaunt wrote:On September 17 2016 01:57 LegalLord wrote:
Everyone has terrible supporters who go too far. A lot has been said about Trump's less pleasant supporters. Bernie had the Bernie Bros who were not that great. Hillary is not without her own bad supporters.
Whether said candidate enabled and encouraged said supporters, is the real question of interest. Exactly, and there's no doubt that the Clintons are well-versed in clandestinely spreading rumors such that they don't appear to be the source of the rumors. Higher level politicians do this all of the time. And it's not like Hillary ever came out and expressly denied it during the 2008 campaign (not to my recollection anyway). http://mediamatters.org/research/2008/03/05/vieira-falsely-suggested-clinton-didnt-say-obam/142786In fact, Clinton's first three words in response to the question -- "You don't believe that Senator Obama is a Muslim?" -- were, "Of course not." I was talking about denying the birther movement. But thank you for bringing up that quote, because it provides another good example of Lyin' Hillary. Here she is denying that she thinks that Obama is a Muslim when her campaign undeniably was spreading rumors to the contrary, including that infamous Obama in a turban picture.
Why can't post a link to back up your suppositions? Do you not have any evidence for your assertions? Just because you have anti-HRC biases doesn't mean you get to assume these rumors exist. Show a relatively neutral source that demonstrates evidence of these rumors. No, Washingtontimes and Breitbart don't count.
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On September 17 2016 02:08 xDaunt wrote:Ok, so now we know why Trump called the press conference today: Show nested quote +The media showed up to the presidential ballroom of the new Trump International Hotel on Friday morning expecting Donald Trump to take questions about whether he still questions if President Obama was born in the United States.
Instead, they got more than a half hour of a variety of military heroes — generals, medal of honor recipients and a gold star wife — expressing support for the Republican nominee. And it all aired live on the cable news networks.
Before the event, Trump tweeted: “I am now going to the brand new Trump International, Hotel D.C. for a major statement.” That was interpreted by the press to mean he was going to address “birther questions.”
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Realizing Trump was not using the occasion to address that subject — and instead focus it on the military — many in the press were not happy — and vented on Twitter. Source. Hilarious.
He baited them and is trolling the media at this point. Earlier this morning he wouldn't answer the question and said something about building the suspense. Made it seem like a grand announcement and said a few lines with no explanation.
Edit: Ended the birther thing, free publicity for his hotel, and forced media attention on veterans issues for 25 min.
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On September 17 2016 02:15 CannonsNCarriers wrote:Show nested quote +On September 17 2016 02:12 xDaunt wrote:On September 17 2016 02:08 Dan HH wrote:On September 17 2016 02:03 xDaunt wrote:On September 17 2016 01:57 LegalLord wrote:
Everyone has terrible supporters who go too far. A lot has been said about Trump's less pleasant supporters. Bernie had the Bernie Bros who were not that great. Hillary is not without her own bad supporters.
Whether said candidate enabled and encouraged said supporters, is the real question of interest. Exactly, and there's no doubt that the Clintons are well-versed in clandestinely spreading rumors such that they don't appear to be the source of the rumors. Higher level politicians do this all of the time. And it's not like Hillary ever came out and expressly denied it during the 2008 campaign (not to my recollection anyway). http://mediamatters.org/research/2008/03/05/vieira-falsely-suggested-clinton-didnt-say-obam/142786In fact, Clinton's first three words in response to the question -- "You don't believe that Senator Obama is a Muslim?" -- were, "Of course not." I was talking about denying the birther movement. But thank you for bringing up that quote, because it provides another good example of Lyin' Hillary. Here she is denying that she thinks that Obama is a Muslim when her campaign undeniably was spreading rumors to the contrary, including that infamous Obama in a turban picture. Why can't post a link to back up your suppositions? Do you not have any evidence for your assertions? Just because you have anti-HRC biases doesn't mean you get to assume these rumors exist. Show a relatively neutral source that demonstrates evidence of these rumors. No, Washingtontimes and Breitbart don't count.
You realize that I gave you a very specific, undeniable example in that post, right?
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How is the example you provided undeniable?
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I expect a lot of stories to come out about how Trump travels with the press when compared to Clinton. The press is often on the same plane as Clinton. Trump flies on his own plane and controls the separate press plane and transport for the press. And several times the press has been late for events because Trumps transportation is late. Last night the press bus got "lost" and then Trump mocked them for not making it to the event.
And then he whines about the press being against him.
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On September 17 2016 02:22 xDaunt wrote:Show nested quote +On September 17 2016 02:15 CannonsNCarriers wrote:On September 17 2016 02:12 xDaunt wrote:On September 17 2016 02:08 Dan HH wrote:On September 17 2016 02:03 xDaunt wrote:On September 17 2016 01:57 LegalLord wrote:
Everyone has terrible supporters who go too far. A lot has been said about Trump's less pleasant supporters. Bernie had the Bernie Bros who were not that great. Hillary is not without her own bad supporters.
Whether said candidate enabled and encouraged said supporters, is the real question of interest. Exactly, and there's no doubt that the Clintons are well-versed in clandestinely spreading rumors such that they don't appear to be the source of the rumors. Higher level politicians do this all of the time. And it's not like Hillary ever came out and expressly denied it during the 2008 campaign (not to my recollection anyway). http://mediamatters.org/research/2008/03/05/vieira-falsely-suggested-clinton-didnt-say-obam/142786In fact, Clinton's first three words in response to the question -- "You don't believe that Senator Obama is a Muslim?" -- were, "Of course not." I was talking about denying the birther movement. But thank you for bringing up that quote, because it provides another good example of Lyin' Hillary. Here she is denying that she thinks that Obama is a Muslim when her campaign undeniably was spreading rumors to the contrary, including that infamous Obama in a turban picture. Why can't post a link to back up your suppositions? Do you not have any evidence for your assertions? Just because you have anti-HRC biases doesn't mean you get to assume these rumors exist. Show a relatively neutral source that demonstrates evidence of these rumors. No, Washingtontimes and Breitbart don't count. You realize that I gave you a very specific, undeniable example in that post, right?
I read through your last two pages. Nothing. Link an example of this rumor mongering from a relatively neutral source.
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You need enough evidence to overcome at least the following, otherwise you are just lying as usual.
http://www.factcheck.org/2015/07/was-hillary-clinton-the-original-birther/
http://www.politifact.com/truth-o-meter/statements/2015/sep/23/donald-trump/hillary-clinton-obama-birther-fact-check/
https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/the-fix/wp/2015/09/23/republicans-are-blaming-hillary-clinton-for-the-birther-movement-thats-wishful-thinking/
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Go Google "hillary clinton campaign turban photo 2008" and pick your source.
Christ you people are lazy.
EDIT: There's even a nice Huffpo article on the first page!
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On September 17 2016 02:12 xDaunt wrote:Show nested quote +On September 17 2016 02:08 Dan HH wrote:On September 17 2016 02:03 xDaunt wrote:On September 17 2016 01:57 LegalLord wrote:
Everyone has terrible supporters who go too far. A lot has been said about Trump's less pleasant supporters. Bernie had the Bernie Bros who were not that great. Hillary is not without her own bad supporters.
Whether said candidate enabled and encouraged said supporters, is the real question of interest. Exactly, and there's no doubt that the Clintons are well-versed in clandestinely spreading rumors such that they don't appear to be the source of the rumors. Higher level politicians do this all of the time. And it's not like Hillary ever came out and expressly denied it during the 2008 campaign (not to my recollection anyway). http://mediamatters.org/research/2008/03/05/vieira-falsely-suggested-clinton-didnt-say-obam/142786In fact, Clinton's first three words in response to the question -- "You don't believe that Senator Obama is a Muslim?" -- were, "Of course not." I was talking about denying the birther movement.
You've just said that the birther movement is an exaggeration of the Obama is muslim conspiracy. Why would she need to come forward or why would anyone ask her whether she believes the exaggeration of an allegation she denied?
If I ask you if the earth is flat and you say no, would it be reasonable to suspect that you believe the earth rests on the back of a giant turtle?
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Here is something:
Barack Obama's campaign team today accused Hillary Clinton's beleaguered staff of mounting a desperate dirty tricks operation by circulating a picture of him in African dress, feeding into false claims on US websites that he is a Muslim.
Obama's campaign manager, David Plouffe, described it as "the most shameful, offensive fear-mongering we've seen from either party in this election". Obama has had to spend much of the campaign stressing he is a Christian not a Muslim and did not study at a madrassa.
Aides for Mrs Clinton, who is fighting a last-ditch battle to keep her hopes of the White House alive, initially tried to brush off the furore, but later denied having anything to do with the distribution of the picture. "I just want to make it very clear that we were not aware of it, the campaign didn't sanction it and don't know anything about it," Clinton spokesman Howard Wolfson told reporters. "None of us have seen the email in question."
Obama and Clinton go to the polls in the Texas and Ohio primaries next week. If Clinton loses either, her bid for the Democratic nomination could be over.
The picture showing Obama in a turban during a visit to Kenya in 2006 first appeared on the Drudge Report website today.
The site said it was circulated by Clinton's staffers and quoted one saying: "Wouldn't we be seeing this on the cover of every magazine if it were [Clinton]?"
The picture was taken when Obama went on a visit to Africa as a senator. Obama, whose father was Kenyan, visited Wajir in the Kenyan north-east, close to the Somali and Ethiopian borders, and was dressed by locals as a Somali elder.
Source
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On September 17 2016 02:31 LegalLord wrote:Here is something: Show nested quote +Barack Obama's campaign team today accused Hillary Clinton's beleaguered staff of mounting a desperate dirty tricks operation by circulating a picture of him in African dress, feeding into false claims on US websites that he is a Muslim.
Obama's campaign manager, David Plouffe, described it as "the most shameful, offensive fear-mongering we've seen from either party in this election". Obama has had to spend much of the campaign stressing he is a Christian not a Muslim and did not study at a madrassa.
Aides for Mrs Clinton, who is fighting a last-ditch battle to keep her hopes of the White House alive, initially tried to brush off the furore, but later denied having anything to do with the distribution of the picture. "I just want to make it very clear that we were not aware of it, the campaign didn't sanction it and don't know anything about it," Clinton spokesman Howard Wolfson told reporters. "None of us have seen the email in question."
Obama and Clinton go to the polls in the Texas and Ohio primaries next week. If Clinton loses either, her bid for the Democratic nomination could be over.
The picture showing Obama in a turban during a visit to Kenya in 2006 first appeared on the Drudge Report website today.
The site said it was circulated by Clinton's staffers and quoted one saying: "Wouldn't we be seeing this on the cover of every magazine if it were [Clinton]?"
The picture was taken when Obama went on a visit to Africa as a senator. Obama, whose father was Kenyan, visited Wajir in the Kenyan north-east, close to the Somali and Ethiopian borders, and was dressed by locals as a Somali elder. Source
You're much nicer than I am.
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On September 17 2016 02:31 LegalLord wrote:Here is something: Show nested quote +Barack Obama's campaign team today accused Hillary Clinton's beleaguered staff of mounting a desperate dirty tricks operation by circulating a picture of him in African dress, feeding into false claims on US websites that he is a Muslim.
Obama's campaign manager, David Plouffe, described it as "the most shameful, offensive fear-mongering we've seen from either party in this election". Obama has had to spend much of the campaign stressing he is a Christian not a Muslim and did not study at a madrassa.
Aides for Mrs Clinton, who is fighting a last-ditch battle to keep her hopes of the White House alive, initially tried to brush off the furore, but later denied having anything to do with the distribution of the picture. "I just want to make it very clear that we were not aware of it, the campaign didn't sanction it and don't know anything about it," Clinton spokesman Howard Wolfson told reporters. "None of us have seen the email in question."
Obama and Clinton go to the polls in the Texas and Ohio primaries next week. If Clinton loses either, her bid for the Democratic nomination could be over.
The picture showing Obama in a turban during a visit to Kenya in 2006 first appeared on the Drudge Report website today.
The site said it was circulated by Clinton's staffers and quoted one saying: "Wouldn't we be seeing this on the cover of every magazine if it were [Clinton]?"
The picture was taken when Obama went on a visit to Africa as a senator. Obama, whose father was Kenyan, visited Wajir in the Kenyan north-east, close to the Somali and Ethiopian borders, and was dressed by locals as a Somali elder. Source
People forgot how nasty that primary was towards the end. But it also doesn't prove shit about the birther movement. Unless we want to make a bunch of mental leaps and remove all personal responsibility from teh discussion, then sure.
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On September 17 2016 02:28 xDaunt wrote:
Go Google "hillary clinton campaign turban photo 2008" and pick your source.
Christ you people are lazy.
EDIT: There's even a nice Huffpo article on the first page!
Again, there are such things as American Muslims. Muslims =/= birther movement. Neither Hillary nor her staff started the birther movement, which is what Trump claimed. He didn't claim anything about Hillary implying Obama was a Muslim ever.
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On September 17 2016 02:33 xDaunt wrote:Show nested quote +On September 17 2016 02:31 LegalLord wrote:Here is something: Barack Obama's campaign team today accused Hillary Clinton's beleaguered staff of mounting a desperate dirty tricks operation by circulating a picture of him in African dress, feeding into false claims on US websites that he is a Muslim.
Obama's campaign manager, David Plouffe, described it as "the most shameful, offensive fear-mongering we've seen from either party in this election". Obama has had to spend much of the campaign stressing he is a Christian not a Muslim and did not study at a madrassa.
Aides for Mrs Clinton, who is fighting a last-ditch battle to keep her hopes of the White House alive, initially tried to brush off the furore, but later denied having anything to do with the distribution of the picture. "I just want to make it very clear that we were not aware of it, the campaign didn't sanction it and don't know anything about it," Clinton spokesman Howard Wolfson told reporters. "None of us have seen the email in question."
Obama and Clinton go to the polls in the Texas and Ohio primaries next week. If Clinton loses either, her bid for the Democratic nomination could be over.
The picture showing Obama in a turban during a visit to Kenya in 2006 first appeared on the Drudge Report website today.
The site said it was circulated by Clinton's staffers and quoted one saying: "Wouldn't we be seeing this on the cover of every magazine if it were [Clinton]?"
The picture was taken when Obama went on a visit to Africa as a senator. Obama, whose father was Kenyan, visited Wajir in the Kenyan north-east, close to the Somali and Ethiopian borders, and was dressed by locals as a Somali elder. Source You're much nicer than I am.
You can't prove the link between the chain emailing PUMAs and the HRC campaign.
Claims about Obama’s birthplace appeared in chain emails bouncing around the Web, and one of the first lawsuits over Obama’s birth certificate was filed by Philip Berg, a former deputy Pennsylvania attorney general and a self-described “moderate to liberal” who supported Clinton.
But none of those stories suggests any link between the Clinton campaign, let alone Clinton herself, and the advocacy of theories questioning Obama’s birth in Hawaii.
One of the authors of the Politico story, Byron Tau, now a reporter for the Wall Street Journal, told FactCheck.org via email that “we never found any links between the Clinton campaign and the rumors in 2008.”
The other coauthor of the Politico story, Ben Smith, now the editor-in-chief of BuzzFeed, said in a May 2013 interview on MSNBC that the conspiracy theories traced back to “some of [Hillary Clinton’s] passionate supporters,” during the final throes of Clinton’s 2008 campaign. But he said they did not come from “Clinton herself or her staff.”
http://www.factcheck.org/2015/07/was-hillary-clinton-the-original-birther/
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On September 17 2016 02:38 CannonsNCarriers wrote:Show nested quote +On September 17 2016 02:33 xDaunt wrote:On September 17 2016 02:31 LegalLord wrote:Here is something: Barack Obama's campaign team today accused Hillary Clinton's beleaguered staff of mounting a desperate dirty tricks operation by circulating a picture of him in African dress, feeding into false claims on US websites that he is a Muslim.
Obama's campaign manager, David Plouffe, described it as "the most shameful, offensive fear-mongering we've seen from either party in this election". Obama has had to spend much of the campaign stressing he is a Christian not a Muslim and did not study at a madrassa.
Aides for Mrs Clinton, who is fighting a last-ditch battle to keep her hopes of the White House alive, initially tried to brush off the furore, but later denied having anything to do with the distribution of the picture. "I just want to make it very clear that we were not aware of it, the campaign didn't sanction it and don't know anything about it," Clinton spokesman Howard Wolfson told reporters. "None of us have seen the email in question."
Obama and Clinton go to the polls in the Texas and Ohio primaries next week. If Clinton loses either, her bid for the Democratic nomination could be over.
The picture showing Obama in a turban during a visit to Kenya in 2006 first appeared on the Drudge Report website today.
The site said it was circulated by Clinton's staffers and quoted one saying: "Wouldn't we be seeing this on the cover of every magazine if it were [Clinton]?"
The picture was taken when Obama went on a visit to Africa as a senator. Obama, whose father was Kenyan, visited Wajir in the Kenyan north-east, close to the Somali and Ethiopian borders, and was dressed by locals as a Somali elder. Source You're much nicer than I am. You can't prove the link between the chain emailing PUMAs and the HRC campaign. Show nested quote +Claims about Obama’s birthplace appeared in chain emails bouncing around the Web, and one of the first lawsuits over Obama’s birth certificate was filed by Philip Berg, a former deputy Pennsylvania attorney general and a self-described “moderate to liberal” who supported Clinton.
But none of those stories suggests any link between the Clinton campaign, let alone Clinton herself, and the advocacy of theories questioning Obama’s birth in Hawaii.
One of the authors of the Politico story, Byron Tau, now a reporter for the Wall Street Journal, told FactCheck.org via email that “we never found any links between the Clinton campaign and the rumors in 2008.”
The other coauthor of the Politico story, Ben Smith, now the editor-in-chief of BuzzFeed, said in a May 2013 interview on MSNBC that the conspiracy theories traced back to “some of [Hillary Clinton’s] passionate supporters,” during the final throes of Clinton’s 2008 campaign. But he said they did not come from “Clinton herself or her staff.” http://www.factcheck.org/2015/07/was-hillary-clinton-the-original-birther/
Damn, you got me. If only I hadn't said that the Birther movement came straight from Hillary's mouth and that there was no conspiracy theory element to the claim Hillary started the birther movement.
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On September 17 2016 02:34 Plansix wrote:Show nested quote +On September 17 2016 02:31 LegalLord wrote:Here is something: Barack Obama's campaign team today accused Hillary Clinton's beleaguered staff of mounting a desperate dirty tricks operation by circulating a picture of him in African dress, feeding into false claims on US websites that he is a Muslim.
Obama's campaign manager, David Plouffe, described it as "the most shameful, offensive fear-mongering we've seen from either party in this election". Obama has had to spend much of the campaign stressing he is a Christian not a Muslim and did not study at a madrassa.
Aides for Mrs Clinton, who is fighting a last-ditch battle to keep her hopes of the White House alive, initially tried to brush off the furore, but later denied having anything to do with the distribution of the picture. "I just want to make it very clear that we were not aware of it, the campaign didn't sanction it and don't know anything about it," Clinton spokesman Howard Wolfson told reporters. "None of us have seen the email in question."
Obama and Clinton go to the polls in the Texas and Ohio primaries next week. If Clinton loses either, her bid for the Democratic nomination could be over.
The picture showing Obama in a turban during a visit to Kenya in 2006 first appeared on the Drudge Report website today.
The site said it was circulated by Clinton's staffers and quoted one saying: "Wouldn't we be seeing this on the cover of every magazine if it were [Clinton]?"
The picture was taken when Obama went on a visit to Africa as a senator. Obama, whose father was Kenyan, visited Wajir in the Kenyan north-east, close to the Somali and Ethiopian borders, and was dressed by locals as a Somali elder. Source People forgot how nasty that primary was towards the end. But it also doesn't prove shit about the birther movement. Unless we want to make a bunch of mental leaps and remove all personal responsibility from teh discussion, then sure.
Sure. Sometimes the primaries get nasty enough that you have to say things you will have to take back later. Still, it does show that Hillary's campaign in 2008 dirtied its hands with the Muslim/birther issue, if indirectly.
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The Clinton campaign could have taken a more courageous stance on the birther issue (which I would have applauded), though I wouldn't fault them unduly for not doing so. They were hardly calling for the release of his birth certificate like a certain oversized oompa loompa.
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On September 17 2016 02:45 LegalLord wrote:Show nested quote +On September 17 2016 02:34 Plansix wrote:On September 17 2016 02:31 LegalLord wrote:Here is something: Barack Obama's campaign team today accused Hillary Clinton's beleaguered staff of mounting a desperate dirty tricks operation by circulating a picture of him in African dress, feeding into false claims on US websites that he is a Muslim.
Obama's campaign manager, David Plouffe, described it as "the most shameful, offensive fear-mongering we've seen from either party in this election". Obama has had to spend much of the campaign stressing he is a Christian not a Muslim and did not study at a madrassa.
Aides for Mrs Clinton, who is fighting a last-ditch battle to keep her hopes of the White House alive, initially tried to brush off the furore, but later denied having anything to do with the distribution of the picture. "I just want to make it very clear that we were not aware of it, the campaign didn't sanction it and don't know anything about it," Clinton spokesman Howard Wolfson told reporters. "None of us have seen the email in question."
Obama and Clinton go to the polls in the Texas and Ohio primaries next week. If Clinton loses either, her bid for the Democratic nomination could be over.
The picture showing Obama in a turban during a visit to Kenya in 2006 first appeared on the Drudge Report website today.
The site said it was circulated by Clinton's staffers and quoted one saying: "Wouldn't we be seeing this on the cover of every magazine if it were [Clinton]?"
The picture was taken when Obama went on a visit to Africa as a senator. Obama, whose father was Kenyan, visited Wajir in the Kenyan north-east, close to the Somali and Ethiopian borders, and was dressed by locals as a Somali elder. Source People forgot how nasty that primary was towards the end. But it also doesn't prove shit about the birther movement. Unless we want to make a bunch of mental leaps and remove all personal responsibility from teh discussion, then sure. Sure. Sometimes the primaries get nasty enough that you have to say things you will have to take back later. Still, it does show that Hillary's campaign in 2008 dirtied its hands with the Muslim/birther issue, if indirectly.
That's not one issue. At all. Maybe the Muslim issue, but definitely not the birther issue. There are such things as American Muslims.
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