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LegalLord
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Nyxisto
Germany6287 Posts
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ticklishmusic
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Blitzkrieg0
United States13132 Posts
On August 01 2016 10:20 Vin{MBL} wrote: Well there's only one way to find out what the effects are... Surely it is safer for marine life than offshore oil drilling with the US does an insane amount of. There is a pretty significant amount of wind turbines in Scandinavian (?) European countries so we don't really need to test it ourselves. I did some research on this back in university, but that was awhile ago so my memory is hazy on it. Sure it might be better than oil, but it could also kill entire species of sea life and we wouldn't know until after it happens. We already know sonar has been detrimental to whales for instance so it isn't some outlandish thing to think about. | ||
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Plansix
United States60190 Posts
We have had "Meh" presidents before. Clinton could be one of those. Trump is a living nightmare, | ||
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Nevuk
United States16280 Posts
On August 01 2016 11:41 LegalLord wrote: To those who support Hillary as a candidate who will "hold the line" on progressive social issues, I have a question for you. Say she does a really botched job as president, something akin to Bush. This would likely fracture the Democratic base and set the goals of the progressive movements back a decade. Do you think this is a risk worth considering when trying to make a "vote for the lesser of two evils" argument? If the representative of the progressive movement is bad and undermines the cause, isn't that worse than 1-2 terms for the opposition? If the republican party didn't end under GW Bush then the democratic party isn't going to end under Clinton... | ||
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{CC}StealthBlue
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WASHINGTON ― Both Donald Trump and his campaign chairman said Sunday they had nothing to do with altering the Republican Party’s position on Ukraine ― which must have been news to GOP leaders who confirmed last week that Trump’s campaign insisted on exactly that change. The modified party platform drops its call to provide arms to Ukraine in response to Russia’s occupation of that country’s Crimea province in 2014. It represents a victory for Russian president Vladimir Putin, who soon after annexed the region. Two Republican National Committee officials acknowledged privately last week that Trump’s campaign pushed for the change, which was made in platform committee meetings in the days prior to the start of the Republican convention in Cleveland two weeks ago. Nevertheless, the celebrity businessman told ABC News on Sunday that he didn’t even know about the change until afterward. “I wasn’t involved in that. Honestly, I was not involved,” Trump said. Meanwhile, his top aide, Paul Manafort ― who for a decade was an adviser to the Russian-backed president of Ukraine until he was removed from office in 2014 ― similarly told NBC News that the new wording was not his idea. “It absolutely did not come from the Trump campaign,” he said. Neither the Trump campaign nor the Republican National Committee responded to requests for comment Sunday. But last week, two RNC officials praised Trump for not pushing the party’s conservative grassroots activists to alter language on gay marriage or abortion. They said that, apart from the Ukraine change, Trump’s campaign seemed generally uninterested in the platform altogether. The platform does not bind Republican candidates who win office and is often seen by political professionals as creating unnecessary vulnerabilities for the party. Still, the RNC officials said it was unusual but not surprising that the Ukraine plank was the only thing of concern to the Trump camp, given Manafort’s business ties to the country’s former president, Victor Yanukovych. Source | ||
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LegalLord
United Kingdom13775 Posts
On August 01 2016 12:02 Nevuk wrote: If the republican party didn't end under GW Bush then the democratic party isn't going to end under Clinton... Republican party hasn't been able to push its presidential candidates with any success for the past 3 elections, and you'd be a fool not to think the major reason isn't Bush. They've pushed themselves into a corner where they need to embrace their radical elements just to stay politically relevant through midterm victories. I wouldn't say that the party isn't in trouble. It would be worse for the Dems too because particularly ideologically "principled" Dems don't vote like Republicans do. | ||
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Kyadytim
United States886 Posts
On August 01 2016 11:41 LegalLord wrote: To those who support Hillary as a candidate who will "hold the line" on progressive social issues, I have a question for you. Say she does a really botched job as president, something akin to Bush. This would likely fracture the Democratic base and set the goals of the progressive movements back a decade. Do you think this is a risk worth considering when trying to make a "vote for the lesser of two evils" argument? If the representative of the progressive movement is bad and undermines the cause, isn't that worse than 1-2 terms for the opposition? Even assuming that she can manage a Bush level failure, the odds of that are lower than a Trump administration working with Republican state level governments to pass substantial voter suppression, accepted by a Supreme Court containing Trump's appointees, which sees Republicans get a lock on the federal government. See for reference the handful of so-called voter id laws that were blocked recently across the country. | ||
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LegalLord
United Kingdom13775 Posts
On August 01 2016 12:42 Kyadytim wrote: Even assuming that she can manage a Bush level failure, the odds of that are lower than a Trump administration working with Republican state level governments to pass substantial voter suppression, accepted by a Supreme Court containing Trump's appointees, which sees Republicans get a lock on the federal government. See for reference the handful of so-called voter id laws that were blocked recently across the country. That's a reasonable stance and I'd say I broadly agree: the biggest danger is Trump working with the Republican party and working to further their agenda. Though I wonder if that's the main reason that others have for that "lesser of two evils" argument. Hillary has also been known to work with the Republican Party on some shitty issues, including trade and FP adventurism. It's unfortunate that Hillary is a Republican in the issues that the Republicans are bad at, and not in those which it is actually pretty reasonable and more correct than not. | ||
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{CC}StealthBlue
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A wildfire on the central California coast has burned more than 38,000 acres and could continue throughout August. Already, the Soberanes fire has destroyed at least 60 homes, and one man died when a bulldozer he was driving near the fire line rolled over on steep terrain. Pfeiffer Big Sur State Park and seven other state parks and outdoor attractions nearby are closed until further notice because of smoke, fire danger and closed roads. The summer months are usually the high season for tourists visiting the region's rugged coastline. The California Parks Service has also instituted emergency rules for water use in the area. The state is entering its fifth year of drought. Since the Soberanes fire began nine days ago, it has grown rapidly. Last week, as temperatures soared into the 90s and dry, windy weather fanned the flames, the fire tore through thousands of acres of chaparral in the Los Padres National Forest. On Saturday, slightly cooler weather and overnight fog slowed the fire somewhat, according to CalFire, the state agency in charge of fighting wildfires. CalFire says 350 people have been evacuated to the nearby town of Carmel from areas east and south of the fire. On Sunday, additional evacuation warnings were announced for residents in the nearby communities of Cachagua and Tassajara, Calif. Source | ||
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Savant
United States379 Posts
I'm just sayin' a 4-year Trump term (if we survive) might be the best case scenario here. | ||
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LegalLord
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GreenHorizons
United States23221 Posts
CLEVELAND, Ohio – Nina Turner, the Democratic former state senator from Cleveland who has emerged as a rallying figure for Bernie Sanders' disappointed supporters, said she is considering an offer to run for vice president on the Green Party's national ticket. Massachusetts physician Jill Stein, the party's presumptive presidential nominee, reached out with the pitch, Turner told cleveland.com Sunday evening in a telephone interview. Source | ||
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MasterCynical
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On_Slaught
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Sermokala
United States13925 Posts
On August 01 2016 15:06 MasterCynical wrote: This is incredible. The entire US media is working to take down trump. I've never seen anything like this. Meh the Us media is the reason why he got the nomination in the first place. Live by the sword die by the sword. | ||
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Introvert
United States4748 Posts
And their coverage does change from primary to general. This was true for Trump, true for Romney, true for McCain, etc. | ||
KwarK
United States42655 Posts
On August 01 2016 13:18 Savant wrote: I think the current political alignment needs to be scrapped and redrawn. If Trump wins, there's hope the GOP ditches the fundies and the free-market fetishists and reorients around the working class. I get that Trump is nuts, but a Clinton presidency is a guarantee of outdated neo-liberal elitist policies run by someone with legendary poor judgment and none of Obama's charisma and discernment. She also loves war more than any candidate of the whole race (compensating for something perhaps?). I'm just sayin' a 4-year Trump term (if we survive) might be the best case scenario here. Except if you've seen Trump's tax plan (one of the few policy areas he actually issued something concrete on) you'd know that it would devastate the working poor. Thousands of dollar in tax cuts for the rich for every dollar in tax cuts for the poor etc. He's angling for the working poor vote but he's got no plan to represent their interests. | ||
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LegalLord
United Kingdom13775 Posts
On August 01 2016 15:06 MasterCynical wrote: This is incredible. The entire US media is working to take down trump. I've never seen anything like this. Any specific context for this statement or is it more a general statement on the issue? Trump is certainly an expert on using the media for his gain, that's for sure. It hasn't been a week and people already forgot about the Dem convention and are back to talking about Trump. | ||
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