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GGTeMpLaR
United States7226 Posts
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Sermokala
United States14092 Posts
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Nyxisto
Germany6287 Posts
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acker
United States2958 Posts
On July 28 2016 11:46 acker wrote: Not representative of embarrassed Republicans and Democrats, certainly. ...Ok, looks like I'm wrong. Moreover, what we know about the thinking of political "moderates" suggests that ones supporting a Bloomberg-esque combination of fiscal conservatism and social liberalism are the exception, not the rule. Research from political scientists David Broockman and Doug Ahler suggests that most self-identified moderate voters aren't that kind of centrist at all. People who want lots of government programs but also are skeptical of abortion and immigration are a more typical kind of moderate. Indeed, Donald Trump is probably closer to most real American moderates than Bloomberg. | ||
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Doodsmack
United States7224 Posts
It is a simple, emotional message. Tim Kaine, Barack Obama, Joe Biden, Bill Clinton, and Hillary Clinton are hitting the trail and they are: Not Trump | ||
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Sermokala
United States14092 Posts
I mean you can talk shit about your opponent all you want but at the end of the day the point is to get people to vote for your candidate. And people don't like or trust Hillary at all. | ||
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Hexe
United States332 Posts
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LegalLord
United States13779 Posts
On July 28 2016 14:39 Hexe wrote: more wikileaks, and IRS confirms review ongoing for clinton foundation. maybe these two will stick more than having a private server based in the basement of a shitty apartment in colorado, with every email sent and received by the Secretary of State. It all sticks, it's just not enough to get a conviction. It's done enough to shed light on shifty dealings for sure, and it does perhaps justify all the shitty things a lot of people have said about Hillary. Of course, there's always that one guy who will just vehemently insist that Hillary is a paragon of virtue despite all evidence to the contrary. But most people who support her do so quite reluctantly. | ||
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GreenHorizons
United States23600 Posts
On July 28 2016 14:39 Hexe wrote: more wikileaks, and IRS confirms review ongoing for clinton foundation. maybe these two will stick more than having a private server based in the basement of a shitty apartment in colorado, with every email sent and received by the Secretary of State. If it somehow finally sticks and she drops out or loses... No, Hillary was not the better choice at the time. It was abundantly clear at this point she isn't trusted or liked and we knew the CF was shady (saved for future reference). + Show Spoiler + Also you're an ignoramus if you blame her losing on Bernie. | ||
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zeo
Serbia6334 Posts
On July 28 2016 15:07 LegalLord wrote: It all sticks, it's just not enough to get a conviction. It's done enough to shed light on shifty dealings for sure, and it does perhaps justify all the shitty things a lot of people have said about Hillary. Of course, there's always that one guy who will just vehemently insist that Hillary is a paragon of virtue despite all evidence to the contrary. But most people who support her do so quite reluctantly. If it were anybody else they would already be serving consecutive life sentences, the Obama administration is protecting her now because they know if Clinton goes down many people within the party go down with her. | ||
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GreenHorizons
United States23600 Posts
On July 28 2016 15:32 zeo wrote: If it were anybody else they would already be serving consecutive life sentences, the Obama administration is protecting her now because they know if Clinton goes down many people within the party go down with her. The top levels of government are riddled with MAD plans. It's basically the only way many know how to simulate empathy. It actually sheds some light on Hillary's latest actions, she doesn't feel any threat of MAD, so she just keeps carpet bombing. Which is why there's thousands of people in the streets/convention trying to let her know her political career very well could end as losing to Trump instead of working with Bernie and his supporters to build the longest streak of Democrat presidents in history. Instead of speaking reason to her, her sycophantic supporters are just "Yaaas queen" ing through it. It's going to bite them in the ass. | ||
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Velr
Switzerland10837 Posts
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Surth
Germany456 Posts
On July 28 2016 10:32 Nyxisto wrote: this is like one of the emails you find on deus ex computers. The only thing that's missing is the Nigerian email scam Vhere is my skul-gun?? | ||
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GreenHorizons
United States23600 Posts
On July 28 2016 16:20 Velr wrote: How isn't she working with Bernie exactly? Lot's of stuff but I think what spurred that comment was the punishing of Nina Turner for turning away from Hillary early in the cycle by not allowing her to nominate Bernie. Such a stupid thing to do. But it's clear it's more his supporters who she's really giving the finger. | ||
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WhiteDog
France8650 Posts
On July 28 2016 13:48 Doodsmack wrote: This is pretty amazing because the Democrats in their strategy are pursuing a unified "We are not Trump" campaign. The strategy is to get a positive and emotional message across, criticize Trump but not excessively, portray him as unfit, temperamental, cheap and shady in his business dealings, say we are great already in a glowing positive way, talk about bringing each other together rather than dividing, and then sprinkle in Trump's most unrealistic ideas ("ban Muslims from the country", "get Mexico to pay for a wall") and "yes we can" at the perfect time to maintain an air of being "above" Donald in his "believe me" world. It is a simple, emotional message. Tim Kaine, Barack Obama, Joe Biden, Bill Clinton, and Hillary Clinton are hitting the trail and they are: Not Trump How is that amazing ? Where are the policies ? What are you voting for ? A warm feeling ? The assurance that you're not a bigot ? Obama and Joe Biden's speech were good, but they were mostly stories of how america the beautiful has a big heart, open, caring. There were moments of reason, especially in Obama's speech, but the core of it is emotion. You can win an election on emotion fore sure tho. | ||
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Lord Tolkien
United States12083 Posts
On July 28 2016 14:39 Hexe wrote: more wikileaks, and IRS confirms review ongoing for clinton foundation. maybe these two will stick more than having a private server based in the basement of a shitty apartment in colorado, with every email sent and received by the Secretary of State. Neither of these are meaningful. The email leak was also ultimately meaningless, but hey. People are allowed to express their opinions of Bernie in private emails/voice mail, and thinking random staffer #4 ranting about Sanders when he spent an entire primary campaign blasting the DNC is evidence of a DNC plot is strictly confirmation bias. The IRS simply acknowledged a letter sent by Congressional Republicans requesting an investigation into the CF because manufacturing scandals is par for the course with how they deal with Clintons (which won't turn up anything). No action has been taken as yet, and even arguing that an IRS investigation implies anything (if they go ahead and honor the request) is silly. You're spending way too much time on r/politics. | ||
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iPlaY.NettleS
Australia4379 Posts
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iPlaY.NettleS
Australia4379 Posts
On July 28 2016 12:42 GreenHorizons wrote: What are Hillary supporters beefs with Jill Stein? The Homeopathy/Vaccine stuff doesn't seem like a problem unless I'm missing something. Is there more, because that's all I've ever heard about why people don't like her? Seems like quite minor issues to me. A strong anti-war stance would be a far stronger sway for me personally. | ||
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Toadesstern
Germany16350 Posts
On July 28 2016 18:57 WhiteDog wrote: How is that amazing ? Where are the policies ? What are you voting for ? A warm feeling ? The assurance that you're not a bigot ? Obama and Joe Biden's speech were good, but they were mostly stories of how america the beautiful has a big heart, open, caring. There were moments of reason, especially in Obama's speech, but the core of it is emotion. You can win an election on emotion fore sure tho. I'd assume actual talks about policies are left for when actual people they need to convince will listen: closer to the election during debates etc. It just looks like these conventions are emotional self-pandering for both sides and who can blame them. | ||
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DarkPlasmaBall
United States45238 Posts
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