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I feel like Bernie's decision to not run as a 3rd party candidate makes things awkward for Johnson and Stein. Bernie's support was many times the combined support of both 3rd party candidates, yet he sees a 3rd party run for himself as a waste. He started out an independent, not bound to the democratic party. Still decided against it.
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Clinton ahead by just 3% in Oregon.
Obama won Oregon by 16% in 2008 and 12% in 2012
Democrats have not lost Oregon since 1988
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On July 28 2016 23:42 Mohdoo wrote:
I feel like Bernie's decision to not run as a 3rd party candidate makes things awkward for Johnson and Stein. Bernie's support was many times the combined support of both 3rd party candidates, yet he sees a 3rd party run for himself as a waste. He started out an independent, not bound to the democratic party. Still decided against it.
That's because Bernie is and always has been an ideas before party guy.
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On July 28 2016 23:44 iPlaY.NettleS wrote:
Clinton ahead by just 3% in Oregon.
Obama won Oregon by 16% in 2008 and 12% in 2012
Democrats have not lost Oregon since 1988
Its not November and a lot of polls are saying different things about that state:
http://projects.fivethirtyeight.com/2016-election-forecast/oregon/
Seriously, throwing around number means very letter. The entire process of running for president hasn't happened yet.
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Bernie knows that it's a two party system. There is no reason to make a third party run in a two party system. Reform FPTP and maybe he'll try.
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On July 28 2016 23:44 iPlaY.NettleS wrote:
Clinton ahead by just 3% in Oregon.
Obama won Oregon by 16% in 2008 and 12% in 2012
Democrats have not lost Oregon since 1988
Oregon is still monumentally pissed about Sanders losing. Oregon will continue to be pissed for at least another month.
(FWIW I am an Oregonian). People like GH are not uncommon in the pacific northwest. People are still in this phase of "NO! I don't want Clinton and I don't want Trump either! I will NOT settle on the lesser of two evils!".
The problem being there are really only 2 people who will be president. They need time to process, cope, and move on. But none of these people are voting for Trump, that's for sure. They will throw fits here and there, but they'll get in line.
If Shaun fucking King can get vote for Clinton, anyone can.
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On July 28 2016 23:42 Slaughter wrote:Show nested quote +On July 28 2016 23:24 zeo wrote:On July 28 2016 22:55 Stratos_speAr wrote:On July 28 2016 18:57 WhiteDog wrote:On July 28 2016 13:48 Doodsmack wrote:
This is pretty amazing because the Democrats in their strategy are pursuing a unified "We are not Trump" campaign. The strategy is to get a positive and emotional message across, criticize Trump but not excessively, portray him as unfit, temperamental, cheap and shady in his business dealings, say we are great already in a glowing positive way, talk about bringing each other together rather than dividing, and then sprinkle in Trump's most unrealistic ideas ("ban Muslims from the country", "get Mexico to pay for a wall") and "yes we can" at the perfect time to maintain an air of being "above" Donald in his "believe me" world.
It is a simple, emotional message.
Tim Kaine, Barack Obama, Joe Biden, Bill Clinton, and Hillary Clinton are hitting the trail and they are:
Not Trump How is that amazing ? Where are the policies ? What are you voting for ? A warm feeling ? The assurance that you're not a bigot ? Obama and Joe Biden's speech were good, but they were mostly stories of how america the beautiful has a big heart, open, caring. There were moments of reason, especially in Obama's speech, but the core of it is emotion. You can win an election on emotion fore sure tho. This questioning is odd considering the fact that Clinton's plans are incredibly intricate and 1) far more detailed than Trump's and 2) far more feasible. Her plans are intricate because she has flip-flopped so many times in the last 8 months that nobody knows whats going on anymore. If you ask a Hillary supporter on the street what her policies are they will stare at you blankly... And no, 'not being Trump' is not a policy. Horseshit. You are just worried that Clinton might get elected and continue to make your strong male role model Putin look like the fool he is.
Great high-quality posting right there. But you forgot to add that he's also from a St. Petersburg troll farm and you forgot to call him Putler instead of Putin.
Might as well go full Yahoo News troll if you want to just go randomly insulting people.
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On July 28 2016 23:12 Godwrath wrote:Show nested quote +On July 28 2016 22:55 Stratos_speAr wrote:On July 28 2016 18:57 WhiteDog wrote:On July 28 2016 13:48 Doodsmack wrote:
This is pretty amazing because the Democrats in their strategy are pursuing a unified "We are not Trump" campaign. The strategy is to get a positive and emotional message across, criticize Trump but not excessively, portray him as unfit, temperamental, cheap and shady in his business dealings, say we are great already in a glowing positive way, talk about bringing each other together rather than dividing, and then sprinkle in Trump's most unrealistic ideas ("ban Muslims from the country", "get Mexico to pay for a wall") and "yes we can" at the perfect time to maintain an air of being "above" Donald in his "believe me" world.
It is a simple, emotional message.
Tim Kaine, Barack Obama, Joe Biden, Bill Clinton, and Hillary Clinton are hitting the trail and they are:
Not Trump How is that amazing ? Where are the policies ? What are you voting for ? A warm feeling ? The assurance that you're not a bigot ? Obama and Joe Biden's speech were good, but they were mostly stories of how america the beautiful has a big heart, open, caring. There were moments of reason, especially in Obama's speech, but the core of it is emotion. You can win an election on emotion fore sure tho. This questioning is odd considering the fact that Clinton's plans are incredibly intricate and 1) far more detailed than Trump's and 2) far more feasible. How is that relevant to the question if they are not being frontlined at the DNC convention or on anyone's speech ? I can be wrong because I didn't watched it tho, since the first day i saw a few speeches which were speeches that if it wasn't the DNC would be outright labelled as nationalistic populism by the likes who like to stamp populist as an evil force on any of their political opponents.
There are policies, plans and details. But there's also a direct and more simple emotional message. Trump actually does not have plans. He shoots from the hip, saying things like "we're gonna get Mexico to pay for a wall by intercepting remittances going from the US to Mexico by Western Union while also rounding up and deporting the people sending the remittances".
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On July 28 2016 23:55 LegalLord wrote:Show nested quote +On July 28 2016 23:42 Slaughter wrote:On July 28 2016 23:24 zeo wrote:On July 28 2016 22:55 Stratos_speAr wrote:On July 28 2016 18:57 WhiteDog wrote:On July 28 2016 13:48 Doodsmack wrote:
This is pretty amazing because the Democrats in their strategy are pursuing a unified "We are not Trump" campaign. The strategy is to get a positive and emotional message across, criticize Trump but not excessively, portray him as unfit, temperamental, cheap and shady in his business dealings, say we are great already in a glowing positive way, talk about bringing each other together rather than dividing, and then sprinkle in Trump's most unrealistic ideas ("ban Muslims from the country", "get Mexico to pay for a wall") and "yes we can" at the perfect time to maintain an air of being "above" Donald in his "believe me" world.
It is a simple, emotional message.
Tim Kaine, Barack Obama, Joe Biden, Bill Clinton, and Hillary Clinton are hitting the trail and they are:
Not Trump How is that amazing ? Where are the policies ? What are you voting for ? A warm feeling ? The assurance that you're not a bigot ? Obama and Joe Biden's speech were good, but they were mostly stories of how america the beautiful has a big heart, open, caring. There were moments of reason, especially in Obama's speech, but the core of it is emotion. You can win an election on emotion fore sure tho. This questioning is odd considering the fact that Clinton's plans are incredibly intricate and 1) far more detailed than Trump's and 2) far more feasible. Her plans are intricate because she has flip-flopped so many times in the last 8 months that nobody knows whats going on anymore. If you ask a Hillary supporter on the street what her policies are they will stare at you blankly... And no, 'not being Trump' is not a policy. Horseshit. You are just worried that Clinton might get elected and continue to make your strong male role model Putin look like the fool he is. Great high-quality posting right there. But you forgot to add that he's also from a St. Petersburg troll farm and you forgot to call him Putler instead of Putin. Might as well go full Yahoo News troll if you want to just go randomly insulting people.
You're right about the insult being a bit much. But I find his assessment of zeo's views to be very accurate.
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On July 28 2016 23:55 LegalLord wrote:Show nested quote +On July 28 2016 23:42 Slaughter wrote:On July 28 2016 23:24 zeo wrote:On July 28 2016 22:55 Stratos_speAr wrote:On July 28 2016 18:57 WhiteDog wrote:On July 28 2016 13:48 Doodsmack wrote:
This is pretty amazing because the Democrats in their strategy are pursuing a unified "We are not Trump" campaign. The strategy is to get a positive and emotional message across, criticize Trump but not excessively, portray him as unfit, temperamental, cheap and shady in his business dealings, say we are great already in a glowing positive way, talk about bringing each other together rather than dividing, and then sprinkle in Trump's most unrealistic ideas ("ban Muslims from the country", "get Mexico to pay for a wall") and "yes we can" at the perfect time to maintain an air of being "above" Donald in his "believe me" world.
It is a simple, emotional message.
Tim Kaine, Barack Obama, Joe Biden, Bill Clinton, and Hillary Clinton are hitting the trail and they are:
Not Trump How is that amazing ? Where are the policies ? What are you voting for ? A warm feeling ? The assurance that you're not a bigot ? Obama and Joe Biden's speech were good, but they were mostly stories of how america the beautiful has a big heart, open, caring. There were moments of reason, especially in Obama's speech, but the core of it is emotion. You can win an election on emotion fore sure tho. This questioning is odd considering the fact that Clinton's plans are incredibly intricate and 1) far more detailed than Trump's and 2) far more feasible. Her plans are intricate because she has flip-flopped so many times in the last 8 months that nobody knows whats going on anymore. If you ask a Hillary supporter on the street what her policies are they will stare at you blankly... And no, 'not being Trump' is not a policy. Horseshit. You are just worried that Clinton might get elected and continue to make your strong male role model Putin look like the fool he is. Great high-quality posting right there. But you forgot to add that he's also from a St. Petersburg troll farm and you forgot to call him Putler instead of Putin. Might as well go full Yahoo News troll if you want to just go randomly insulting people.
To be fair, you do claim the release of espionage-obtained information during a presidential election is NBD, on the basis that it's "not unheard of".
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On July 28 2016 23:55 LegalLord wrote:Show nested quote +On July 28 2016 23:42 Slaughter wrote:On July 28 2016 23:24 zeo wrote:On July 28 2016 22:55 Stratos_speAr wrote:On July 28 2016 18:57 WhiteDog wrote:On July 28 2016 13:48 Doodsmack wrote:
This is pretty amazing because the Democrats in their strategy are pursuing a unified "We are not Trump" campaign. The strategy is to get a positive and emotional message across, criticize Trump but not excessively, portray him as unfit, temperamental, cheap and shady in his business dealings, say we are great already in a glowing positive way, talk about bringing each other together rather than dividing, and then sprinkle in Trump's most unrealistic ideas ("ban Muslims from the country", "get Mexico to pay for a wall") and "yes we can" at the perfect time to maintain an air of being "above" Donald in his "believe me" world.
It is a simple, emotional message.
Tim Kaine, Barack Obama, Joe Biden, Bill Clinton, and Hillary Clinton are hitting the trail and they are:
Not Trump How is that amazing ? Where are the policies ? What are you voting for ? A warm feeling ? The assurance that you're not a bigot ? Obama and Joe Biden's speech were good, but they were mostly stories of how america the beautiful has a big heart, open, caring. There were moments of reason, especially in Obama's speech, but the core of it is emotion. You can win an election on emotion fore sure tho. This questioning is odd considering the fact that Clinton's plans are incredibly intricate and 1) far more detailed than Trump's and 2) far more feasible. Her plans are intricate because she has flip-flopped so many times in the last 8 months that nobody knows whats going on anymore. If you ask a Hillary supporter on the street what her policies are they will stare at you blankly... And no, 'not being Trump' is not a policy. Horseshit. You are just worried that Clinton might get elected and continue to make your strong male role model Putin look like the fool he is. Great high-quality posting right there. But you forgot to add that he's also from a St. Petersburg troll farm and you forgot to call him Putler instead of Putin. Might as well go full Yahoo News troll if you want to just go randomly insulting people.
Zeo's profile clearly states he's from Serbia, duh. If you're going to strawman at least don't completely suck at it.
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On July 28 2016 23:40 ticklishmusic wrote:Show nested quote +On July 28 2016 21:36 DarkPlasmaBall wrote:
How were last night's DNC speeches? Definitely gotta watch Obama's. Anything/ anyone else noteworthy? I heard Biden and Bloomberg did well too. Obama proved why he's a GOAT speaker. Can confirm Biden and Bloomberg were both solid. I wasn't huge on Tim (his Saturday speech was better imo), but some people seemed to have enjoyed it.
If-if-if-if-if-if you say Obama is a GOAT speaker, t-thats okie doke with me.
On July 28 2016 23:28 Rebs wrote:Show nested quote +On July 28 2016 23:24 zeo wrote:On July 28 2016 22:55 Stratos_speAr wrote:On July 28 2016 18:57 WhiteDog wrote:On July 28 2016 13:48 Doodsmack wrote:
This is pretty amazing because the Democrats in their strategy are pursuing a unified "We are not Drumpf" campaign. The strategy is to get a positive and emotional message across, criticize Drumpf but not excessively, portray him as unfit, temperamental, cheap and shady in his business dealings, say we are great already in a glowing positive way, talk about bringing each other together rather than dividing, and then sprinkle in Drumpf's most unrealistic ideas ("ban Muslims from the country", "get Mexico to pay for a wall") and "yes we can" at the perfect time to maintain an air of being "above" Donald in his "believe me" world.
It is a simple, emotional message.
Tim Kaine, Barack Obama, Joe Biden, Bill Clinton, and Hillary Clinton are hitting the trail and they are:
Not Drumpf How is that amazing ? Where are the policies ? What are you voting for ? A warm feeling ? The assurance that you're not a bigot ? Obama and Joe Biden's speech were good, but they were mostly stories of how america the beautiful has a big heart, open, caring. There were moments of reason, especially in Obama's speech, but the core of it is emotion. You can win an election on emotion fore sure tho. This questioning is odd considering the fact that Clinton's plans are incredibly intricate and 1) far more detailed than Drumpf's and 2) far more feasible. Her plans are intricate because she has flip-flopped so many times in the last 8 months that nobody knows whats going on anymore. If you ask a Hillary supporter on the street what her policies are they will stare at you blankly... And no, 'not being Drumpf' is not a policy. Yeah too bad there isnt a repository that has swathes of information on policy and where her campaign stands on issues... oh wait. meanwhile the alternative solutions are America iz looze, I iz gud bizniz man, We gonna win.
Are you saying there isn't a repository with swaths of information on policy and where his campaign stands on issues for Trump? Sure if you only get your news from blogs you would think ' America iz looze, I iz gud bizniz man, We gonna win.'
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On July 29 2016 00:08 zeo wrote:Show nested quote +On July 28 2016 23:40 ticklishmusic wrote:On July 28 2016 21:36 DarkPlasmaBall wrote:
How were last night's DNC speeches? Definitely gotta watch Obama's. Anything/ anyone else noteworthy? I heard Biden and Bloomberg did well too. Obama proved why he's a GOAT speaker. Can confirm Biden and Bloomberg were both solid. I wasn't huge on Tim (his Saturday speech was better imo), but some people seemed to have enjoyed it. If-if-if-if-if-if you say Obama is a GOAT speaker, t-thats okie doke with me. Show nested quote +On July 28 2016 23:28 Rebs wrote:On July 28 2016 23:24 zeo wrote:On July 28 2016 22:55 Stratos_speAr wrote:On July 28 2016 18:57 WhiteDog wrote:On July 28 2016 13:48 Doodsmack wrote:
This is pretty amazing because the Democrats in their strategy are pursuing a unified "We are not Drumpf" campaign. The strategy is to get a positive and emotional message across, criticize Drumpf but not excessively, portray him as unfit, temperamental, cheap and shady in his business dealings, say we are great already in a glowing positive way, talk about bringing each other together rather than dividing, and then sprinkle in Drumpf's most unrealistic ideas ("ban Muslims from the country", "get Mexico to pay for a wall") and "yes we can" at the perfect time to maintain an air of being "above" Donald in his "believe me" world.
It is a simple, emotional message.
Tim Kaine, Barack Obama, Joe Biden, Bill Clinton, and Hillary Clinton are hitting the trail and they are:
Not Drumpf How is that amazing ? Where are the policies ? What are you voting for ? A warm feeling ? The assurance that you're not a bigot ? Obama and Joe Biden's speech were good, but they were mostly stories of how america the beautiful has a big heart, open, caring. There were moments of reason, especially in Obama's speech, but the core of it is emotion. You can win an election on emotion fore sure tho. This questioning is odd considering the fact that Clinton's plans are incredibly intricate and 1) far more detailed than Drumpf's and 2) far more feasible. Her plans are intricate because she has flip-flopped so many times in the last 8 months that nobody knows whats going on anymore. If you ask a Hillary supporter on the street what her policies are they will stare at you blankly... And no, 'not being Drumpf' is not a policy. Yeah too bad there isnt a repository that has swathes of information on policy and where her campaign stands on issues... oh wait. meanwhile the alternative solutions are America iz looze, I iz gud bizniz man, We gonna win. Are you saying there isn't a repository with swaths of information on policy and where his campaign stands on issues for Trump? Sure if you only get your news from blogs you would think ' America iz looze, I iz gud bizniz man, We gonna win.'
The "plans" on Trump's website are, I kid you not, limited to the following:
Pay for the Wall (yes this is verbatim)
Healthcare Reform
US-China Trade Reform
Veterans Administration Reforms
Tax Reform
Second Amendment Rights
Immigration Reform
But the funnier part is listening to Trump explain them.
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These swaths of Information would be way more believable if he wouldn't constantly Change his own opinion in speaks or/and his plans would actually be possible/sound.
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I have tried to find information on Trumps plans to deal with ISIS and other FP issues. They are not even on his website. He mocks Democrats for not talking about ISIS and terrorism, there is literally nothing about it on his website. Or if it is there, it is so buried I couldn't' find it.
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On July 29 2016 00:12 Velr wrote:
These swaths of Information would be way more believable if he wouldn't constantly Change his own opinion in speaks or/and his plans would actually be possible/sound.
“In some states, where it’s more expensive, maybe they do have to lift the minimum wage, and in others, they don’t have to do it."
- D. Trump, May 2016
“Minimum wage is an issue that should be handled at the state and local level,”
- Republican platform, 2016
“I would leave it and raise it somewhat...I would say 10. I would say 10...But the thing is, Bill, let the states make the deal.”
- D. Trump, 7/26/16
“The minimum wage has to go up [to $10 from $7.25].", “states should really call the shot,” but “at the same time, people have to be taken care of.”
Asked if he meant the federal minimum wage has to go up to $10 in a followup question, Trump indicated yes. “Federal."
- D. Trump, 7/27/16
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On July 29 2016 00:04 Plansix wrote:Show nested quote +On July 28 2016 23:55 LegalLord wrote:On July 28 2016 23:42 Slaughter wrote:On July 28 2016 23:24 zeo wrote:On July 28 2016 22:55 Stratos_speAr wrote:On July 28 2016 18:57 WhiteDog wrote:On July 28 2016 13:48 Doodsmack wrote:
This is pretty amazing because the Democrats in their strategy are pursuing a unified "We are not Trump" campaign. The strategy is to get a positive and emotional message across, criticize Trump but not excessively, portray him as unfit, temperamental, cheap and shady in his business dealings, say we are great already in a glowing positive way, talk about bringing each other together rather than dividing, and then sprinkle in Trump's most unrealistic ideas ("ban Muslims from the country", "get Mexico to pay for a wall") and "yes we can" at the perfect time to maintain an air of being "above" Donald in his "believe me" world.
It is a simple, emotional message.
Tim Kaine, Barack Obama, Joe Biden, Bill Clinton, and Hillary Clinton are hitting the trail and they are:
Not Trump How is that amazing ? Where are the policies ? What are you voting for ? A warm feeling ? The assurance that you're not a bigot ? Obama and Joe Biden's speech were good, but they were mostly stories of how america the beautiful has a big heart, open, caring. There were moments of reason, especially in Obama's speech, but the core of it is emotion. You can win an election on emotion fore sure tho. This questioning is odd considering the fact that Clinton's plans are incredibly intricate and 1) far more detailed than Trump's and 2) far more feasible. Her plans are intricate because she has flip-flopped so many times in the last 8 months that nobody knows whats going on anymore. If you ask a Hillary supporter on the street what her policies are they will stare at you blankly... And no, 'not being Trump' is not a policy. Horseshit. You are just worried that Clinton might get elected and continue to make your strong male role model Putin look like the fool he is. Great high-quality posting right there. But you forgot to add that he's also from a St. Petersburg troll farm and you forgot to call him Putler instead of Putin. Might as well go full Yahoo News troll if you want to just go randomly insulting people. You're right about the insult being a bit much. But I find his assessment of zeo's views to be very accurate.
We all have people who we think have shitty opinions. That's not the problem here.
On July 29 2016 00:05 Doodsmack wrote:Show nested quote +On July 28 2016 23:55 LegalLord wrote:On July 28 2016 23:42 Slaughter wrote:On July 28 2016 23:24 zeo wrote:On July 28 2016 22:55 Stratos_speAr wrote:On July 28 2016 18:57 WhiteDog wrote:On July 28 2016 13:48 Doodsmack wrote:
This is pretty amazing because the Democrats in their strategy are pursuing a unified "We are not Trump" campaign. The strategy is to get a positive and emotional message across, criticize Trump but not excessively, portray him as unfit, temperamental, cheap and shady in his business dealings, say we are great already in a glowing positive way, talk about bringing each other together rather than dividing, and then sprinkle in Trump's most unrealistic ideas ("ban Muslims from the country", "get Mexico to pay for a wall") and "yes we can" at the perfect time to maintain an air of being "above" Donald in his "believe me" world.
It is a simple, emotional message.
Tim Kaine, Barack Obama, Joe Biden, Bill Clinton, and Hillary Clinton are hitting the trail and they are:
Not Trump How is that amazing ? Where are the policies ? What are you voting for ? A warm feeling ? The assurance that you're not a bigot ? Obama and Joe Biden's speech were good, but they were mostly stories of how america the beautiful has a big heart, open, caring. There were moments of reason, especially in Obama's speech, but the core of it is emotion. You can win an election on emotion fore sure tho. This questioning is odd considering the fact that Clinton's plans are incredibly intricate and 1) far more detailed than Trump's and 2) far more feasible. Her plans are intricate because she has flip-flopped so many times in the last 8 months that nobody knows whats going on anymore. If you ask a Hillary supporter on the street what her policies are they will stare at you blankly... And no, 'not being Trump' is not a policy. Horseshit. You are just worried that Clinton might get elected and continue to make your strong male role model Putin look like the fool he is. Great high-quality posting right there. But you forgot to add that he's also from a St. Petersburg troll farm and you forgot to call him Putler instead of Putin. Might as well go full Yahoo News troll if you want to just go randomly insulting people. To be fair, you do claim the release of espionage-obtained information during a presidential election is NBD, on the basis that it's "not unheard of".
Has nothing to do with anything. Also a mischaracterization of my position.
On July 29 2016 00:06 ticklishmusic wrote:Show nested quote +On July 28 2016 23:55 LegalLord wrote:On July 28 2016 23:42 Slaughter wrote:On July 28 2016 23:24 zeo wrote:On July 28 2016 22:55 Stratos_speAr wrote:On July 28 2016 18:57 WhiteDog wrote:On July 28 2016 13:48 Doodsmack wrote:
This is pretty amazing because the Democrats in their strategy are pursuing a unified "We are not Trump" campaign. The strategy is to get a positive and emotional message across, criticize Trump but not excessively, portray him as unfit, temperamental, cheap and shady in his business dealings, say we are great already in a glowing positive way, talk about bringing each other together rather than dividing, and then sprinkle in Trump's most unrealistic ideas ("ban Muslims from the country", "get Mexico to pay for a wall") and "yes we can" at the perfect time to maintain an air of being "above" Donald in his "believe me" world.
It is a simple, emotional message.
Tim Kaine, Barack Obama, Joe Biden, Bill Clinton, and Hillary Clinton are hitting the trail and they are:
Not Trump How is that amazing ? Where are the policies ? What are you voting for ? A warm feeling ? The assurance that you're not a bigot ? Obama and Joe Biden's speech were good, but they were mostly stories of how america the beautiful has a big heart, open, caring. There were moments of reason, especially in Obama's speech, but the core of it is emotion. You can win an election on emotion fore sure tho. This questioning is odd considering the fact that Clinton's plans are incredibly intricate and 1) far more detailed than Trump's and 2) far more feasible. Her plans are intricate because she has flip-flopped so many times in the last 8 months that nobody knows whats going on anymore. If you ask a Hillary supporter on the street what her policies are they will stare at you blankly... And no, 'not being Trump' is not a policy. Horseshit. You are just worried that Clinton might get elected and continue to make your strong male role model Putin look like the fool he is. Great high-quality posting right there. But you forgot to add that he's also from a St. Petersburg troll farm and you forgot to call him Putler instead of Putin. Might as well go full Yahoo News troll if you want to just go randomly insulting people. Zeo's profile clearly states he's from Serbia, duh. If you're going to strawman at least don't completely suck at it.
People have clearly called him a Russian troll from St. Petersburg before, duh. If you're going to butt in with your one-liners at least don't completely suck at it.
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On July 29 2016 00:12 Doodsmack wrote:Show nested quote +On July 29 2016 00:08 zeo wrote:On July 28 2016 23:40 ticklishmusic wrote:On July 28 2016 21:36 DarkPlasmaBall wrote:
How were last night's DNC speeches? Definitely gotta watch Obama's. Anything/ anyone else noteworthy? I heard Biden and Bloomberg did well too. Obama proved why he's a GOAT speaker. Can confirm Biden and Bloomberg were both solid. I wasn't huge on Tim (his Saturday speech was better imo), but some people seemed to have enjoyed it. If-if-if-if-if-if you say Obama is a GOAT speaker, t-thats okie doke with me. On July 28 2016 23:28 Rebs wrote:On July 28 2016 23:24 zeo wrote:On July 28 2016 22:55 Stratos_speAr wrote:On July 28 2016 18:57 WhiteDog wrote:On July 28 2016 13:48 Doodsmack wrote:
This is pretty amazing because the Democrats in their strategy are pursuing a unified "We are not Drumpf" campaign. The strategy is to get a positive and emotional message across, criticize Drumpf but not excessively, portray him as unfit, temperamental, cheap and shady in his business dealings, say we are great already in a glowing positive way, talk about bringing each other together rather than dividing, and then sprinkle in Drumpf's most unrealistic ideas ("ban Muslims from the country", "get Mexico to pay for a wall") and "yes we can" at the perfect time to maintain an air of being "above" Donald in his "believe me" world.
It is a simple, emotional message.
Tim Kaine, Barack Obama, Joe Biden, Bill Clinton, and Hillary Clinton are hitting the trail and they are:
Not Drumpf How is that amazing ? Where are the policies ? What are you voting for ? A warm feeling ? The assurance that you're not a bigot ? Obama and Joe Biden's speech were good, but they were mostly stories of how america the beautiful has a big heart, open, caring. There were moments of reason, especially in Obama's speech, but the core of it is emotion. You can win an election on emotion fore sure tho. This questioning is odd considering the fact that Clinton's plans are incredibly intricate and 1) far more detailed than Drumpf's and 2) far more feasible. Her plans are intricate because she has flip-flopped so many times in the last 8 months that nobody knows whats going on anymore. If you ask a Hillary supporter on the street what her policies are they will stare at you blankly... And no, 'not being Drumpf' is not a policy. Yeah too bad there isnt a repository that has swathes of information on policy and where her campaign stands on issues... oh wait. meanwhile the alternative solutions are America iz looze, I iz gud bizniz man, We gonna win. Are you saying there isn't a repository with swaths of information on policy and where his campaign stands on issues for Trump? Sure if you only get your news from blogs you would think ' America iz looze, I iz gud bizniz man, We gonna win.' The "plans" on Trump's website are, I kid you not, limited to the following: Pay for the Wall (yes this is verbatim) Healthcare Reform US-China Trade Reform Veterans Administration Reforms Tax Reform Second Amendment Rights Immigration Reform But the funnier part is listening to Trump explain them.
Need I remind you its been 236 days since Hillary has held a press conference and had to answer questions about her policy and plans. She's probably forgotten half of whats written on her website by now.
@legallord
Just leave the trolls be. They are only going to get even more desperate as Trump pulls away in the polls, when the only argument they can come up with is 'uurghh Putin KGB agent' you know you are winning.
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On July 29 2016 00:20 zeo wrote:Show nested quote +On July 29 2016 00:12 Doodsmack wrote:On July 29 2016 00:08 zeo wrote:On July 28 2016 23:40 ticklishmusic wrote:On July 28 2016 21:36 DarkPlasmaBall wrote:
How were last night's DNC speeches? Definitely gotta watch Obama's. Anything/ anyone else noteworthy? I heard Biden and Bloomberg did well too. Obama proved why he's a GOAT speaker. Can confirm Biden and Bloomberg were both solid. I wasn't huge on Tim (his Saturday speech was better imo), but some people seemed to have enjoyed it. If-if-if-if-if-if you say Obama is a GOAT speaker, t-thats okie doke with me. On July 28 2016 23:28 Rebs wrote:On July 28 2016 23:24 zeo wrote:On July 28 2016 22:55 Stratos_speAr wrote:On July 28 2016 18:57 WhiteDog wrote:On July 28 2016 13:48 Doodsmack wrote:
This is pretty amazing because the Democrats in their strategy are pursuing a unified "We are not Drumpf" campaign. The strategy is to get a positive and emotional message across, criticize Drumpf but not excessively, portray him as unfit, temperamental, cheap and shady in his business dealings, say we are great already in a glowing positive way, talk about bringing each other together rather than dividing, and then sprinkle in Drumpf's most unrealistic ideas ("ban Muslims from the country", "get Mexico to pay for a wall") and "yes we can" at the perfect time to maintain an air of being "above" Donald in his "believe me" world.
It is a simple, emotional message.
Tim Kaine, Barack Obama, Joe Biden, Bill Clinton, and Hillary Clinton are hitting the trail and they are:
Not Drumpf How is that amazing ? Where are the policies ? What are you voting for ? A warm feeling ? The assurance that you're not a bigot ? Obama and Joe Biden's speech were good, but they were mostly stories of how america the beautiful has a big heart, open, caring. There were moments of reason, especially in Obama's speech, but the core of it is emotion. You can win an election on emotion fore sure tho. This questioning is odd considering the fact that Clinton's plans are incredibly intricate and 1) far more detailed than Drumpf's and 2) far more feasible. Her plans are intricate because she has flip-flopped so many times in the last 8 months that nobody knows whats going on anymore. If you ask a Hillary supporter on the street what her policies are they will stare at you blankly... And no, 'not being Drumpf' is not a policy. Yeah too bad there isnt a repository that has swathes of information on policy and where her campaign stands on issues... oh wait. meanwhile the alternative solutions are America iz looze, I iz gud bizniz man, We gonna win. Are you saying there isn't a repository with swaths of information on policy and where his campaign stands on issues for Trump? Sure if you only get your news from blogs you would think ' America iz looze, I iz gud bizniz man, We gonna win.' The "plans" on Trump's website are, I kid you not, limited to the following: Pay for the Wall (yes this is verbatim) Healthcare Reform US-China Trade Reform Veterans Administration Reforms Tax Reform Second Amendment Rights Immigration Reform But the funnier part is listening to Trump explain them. Need I remind you its been 236 days since Hillary has held a press conference and had to answer questions about her policy and plans. She's probably forgotten half of whats written on her website by now.
This was the exact counter argument I expected from you. Thank you for living up to my expectations. I look forward to future posts along this line.
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On July 29 2016 00:18 LegalLord wrote:
Has nothing to do with anything. Also a mischaracterization of my position.
It might lead one to believe you are sympathetic to Putin.
LegalLord:
"Foreign espionage, it happens. It's a fact of life, and everyone does it to everyone if they can. Allies do it to each other too. Leaking it is, as I said, rare but not unheard of."
LegalLord:
"It's definitely a dick move, and it's also obviously politically motivated, but it's not exactly unheard of for foreign governments to be a dick to people they don't like."
LegalLord:
"Don't act like countries don't do this kind of shit to each other all the time. The US is probably the biggest offender in seeking to compromise candidates they don't like with politically motivated acts."
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