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On July 28 2016 15:31 GreenHorizons wrote:Show nested quote +On July 28 2016 14:39 Hexe wrote:
more wikileaks, and IRS confirms review ongoing for clinton foundation. maybe these two will stick more than having a private server based in the basement of a shitty apartment in colorado, with every email sent and received by the Secretary of State. If it somehow finally sticks and she drops out or loses... No, Hillary was not the better choice at the time. It was abundantly clear at this point she isn't trusted or liked and we knew the CF was shady (saved for future reference). + Show Spoiler +Also you're an ignoramus if you blame her losing on Bernie.
Not on Bernie, but rather on people like you.
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Did Forbes become a satirical site?
Give Back? Yes, It's Time For The 99% To Give Back To The 1%
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For their enormous contributions to our standard of living, the high-earners should be thanked and publicly honored. We are in their debt.
Here’s a modest proposal. Anyone who earns a million dollars or more should be exempt from all income taxes. Yes, it’s too little. And the real issue is not financial, but moral. So to augment the tax-exemption, in an annual public ceremony, the year’s top earner should be awarded the Congressional Medal of Honor.
Imagine the effect on our culture, particularly on the young, if the kind of fame and adulation bathing Lady Gaga attached to the more notable achievements of say, Warren Buffett. Or if the moral praise showered on Mother Teresa went to someone like Lloyd Blankfein, who, in guiding Goldman Sachs toward billions in profits, has done infinitely more for mankind. (Since profit is the market value of the product minus the market value of factors used, profit represents the value created.)
Instead, we live in a culture where Goldman Sachs is smeared as “a great vampire squid wrapped around the face of humanity.” That’s for the sin of successful investing, channeling savings to their most productive uses, instead of wasting them on government boondoggles like Solyndra and bridges to nowhere.
There is indeed a vampire squid wrapped around the face of humanity: the Internal Revenue Service. And, at a deeper level, it is the monstrous perversion of justice that makes the IRS possible: an envy-ridden moral code that damns success, profit, and earning money in voluntary exchange.
An end must be put to the inhuman practice of draining the productive to subsidize the unproductive. An end must be put to the primordial notion that one’s life belongs to the tribe, to “the community,” and that the superlative wealth-creators must do penance for the sin of creating value.
And Ayn Rand is just the lady who can do it.
www.forbes.com
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Nope, that author is a known Randian loon and Forbes likes it when people slobber all over the rich in adulation.
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That is some strong outrage bait for sure.
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On July 28 2016 18:57 WhiteDog wrote:Show nested quote +On July 28 2016 13:48 Doodsmack wrote:
This is pretty amazing because the Democrats in their strategy are pursuing a unified "We are not Trump" campaign. The strategy is to get a positive and emotional message across, criticize Trump but not excessively, portray him as unfit, temperamental, cheap and shady in his business dealings, say we are great already in a glowing positive way, talk about bringing each other together rather than dividing, and then sprinkle in Trump's most unrealistic ideas ("ban Muslims from the country", "get Mexico to pay for a wall") and "yes we can" at the perfect time to maintain an air of being "above" Donald in his "believe me" world.
It is a simple, emotional message.
Tim Kaine, Barack Obama, Joe Biden, Bill Clinton, and Hillary Clinton are hitting the trail and they are:
Not Trump How is that amazing ? Where are the policies ? What are you voting for ? A warm feeling ? The assurance that you're not a bigot ? Obama and Joe Biden's speech were good, but they were mostly stories of how america the beautiful has a big heart, open, caring. There were moments of reason, especially in Obama's speech, but the core of it is emotion. You can win an election on emotion fore sure tho.
"Yes we can" and "HOPE" was Obama's greatest weapon in 2008, and firing it on all cylinders gave him a boost that lasted into 2012. It's not that surprising that politics is moving heavily in this direction.
It's much easier to turn your supporters into sycophants or enemies into monsters because it engineers a system where conflicting evidence of their views will be rejected out of hand.
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On July 28 2016 18:57 WhiteDog wrote:Show nested quote +On July 28 2016 13:48 Doodsmack wrote:
This is pretty amazing because the Democrats in their strategy are pursuing a unified "We are not Trump" campaign. The strategy is to get a positive and emotional message across, criticize Trump but not excessively, portray him as unfit, temperamental, cheap and shady in his business dealings, say we are great already in a glowing positive way, talk about bringing each other together rather than dividing, and then sprinkle in Trump's most unrealistic ideas ("ban Muslims from the country", "get Mexico to pay for a wall") and "yes we can" at the perfect time to maintain an air of being "above" Donald in his "believe me" world.
It is a simple, emotional message.
Tim Kaine, Barack Obama, Joe Biden, Bill Clinton, and Hillary Clinton are hitting the trail and they are:
Not Trump How is that amazing ? Where are the policies ? What are you voting for ? A warm feeling ? The assurance that you're not a bigot ? Obama and Joe Biden's speech were good, but they were mostly stories of how america the beautiful has a big heart, open, caring. There were moments of reason, especially in Obama's speech, but the core of it is emotion. You can win an election on emotion fore sure tho.
This questioning is odd considering the fact that Clinton's plans are incredibly intricate and 1) far more detailed than Trump's and 2) far more feasible.
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On July 28 2016 21:47 Dan HH wrote:Did Forbes become a satirical site? Show nested quote +Give Back? Yes, It's Time For The 99% To Give Back To The 1%
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For their enormous contributions to our standard of living, the high-earners should be thanked and publicly honored. We are in their debt.
Here’s a modest proposal. Anyone who earns a million dollars or more should be exempt from all income taxes. Yes, it’s too little. And the real issue is not financial, but moral. So to augment the tax-exemption, in an annual public ceremony, the year’s top earner should be awarded the Congressional Medal of Honor.
Imagine the effect on our culture, particularly on the young, if the kind of fame and adulation bathing Lady Gaga attached to the more notable achievements of say, Warren Buffett. Or if the moral praise showered on Mother Teresa went to someone like Lloyd Blankfein, who, in guiding Goldman Sachs toward billions in profits, has done infinitely more for mankind. (Since profit is the market value of the product minus the market value of factors used, profit represents the value created.)
Instead, we live in a culture where Goldman Sachs is smeared as “a great vampire squid wrapped around the face of humanity.” That’s for the sin of successful investing, channeling savings to their most productive uses, instead of wasting them on government boondoggles like Solyndra and bridges to nowhere.
There is indeed a vampire squid wrapped around the face of humanity: the Internal Revenue Service. And, at a deeper level, it is the monstrous perversion of justice that makes the IRS possible: an envy-ridden moral code that damns success, profit, and earning money in voluntary exchange.
An end must be put to the inhuman practice of draining the productive to subsidize the unproductive. An end must be put to the primordial notion that one’s life belongs to the tribe, to “the community,” and that the superlative wealth-creators must do penance for the sin of creating value.
And Ayn Rand is just the lady who can do it. www.forbes.com
The first time in like ever i would wish for Wegandi to comment on something :D
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Much value. Many number. Nice product. Powerful bailout.
I say we get rid of Goldman Sachs and see where that takes us? 
Still having a communal sense in 2016, how barbaric!
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On July 28 2016 22:55 Stratos_speAr wrote:Show nested quote +On July 28 2016 18:57 WhiteDog wrote:On July 28 2016 13:48 Doodsmack wrote:
This is pretty amazing because the Democrats in their strategy are pursuing a unified "We are not Trump" campaign. The strategy is to get a positive and emotional message across, criticize Trump but not excessively, portray him as unfit, temperamental, cheap and shady in his business dealings, say we are great already in a glowing positive way, talk about bringing each other together rather than dividing, and then sprinkle in Trump's most unrealistic ideas ("ban Muslims from the country", "get Mexico to pay for a wall") and "yes we can" at the perfect time to maintain an air of being "above" Donald in his "believe me" world.
It is a simple, emotional message.
Tim Kaine, Barack Obama, Joe Biden, Bill Clinton, and Hillary Clinton are hitting the trail and they are:
Not Trump How is that amazing ? Where are the policies ? What are you voting for ? A warm feeling ? The assurance that you're not a bigot ? Obama and Joe Biden's speech were good, but they were mostly stories of how america the beautiful has a big heart, open, caring. There were moments of reason, especially in Obama's speech, but the core of it is emotion. You can win an election on emotion fore sure tho. This questioning is odd considering the fact that Clinton's plans are incredibly intricate and 1) far more detailed than Trump's and 2) far more feasible.
Those facts are ineffective if not communicated to and understood by the voting electorate. However, I expect Hillary to provide a wonkish speech tonight. It's what she does best.
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On July 28 2016 22:55 Stratos_speAr wrote:Show nested quote +On July 28 2016 18:57 WhiteDog wrote:On July 28 2016 13:48 Doodsmack wrote:
This is pretty amazing because the Democrats in their strategy are pursuing a unified "We are not Trump" campaign. The strategy is to get a positive and emotional message across, criticize Trump but not excessively, portray him as unfit, temperamental, cheap and shady in his business dealings, say we are great already in a glowing positive way, talk about bringing each other together rather than dividing, and then sprinkle in Trump's most unrealistic ideas ("ban Muslims from the country", "get Mexico to pay for a wall") and "yes we can" at the perfect time to maintain an air of being "above" Donald in his "believe me" world.
It is a simple, emotional message.
Tim Kaine, Barack Obama, Joe Biden, Bill Clinton, and Hillary Clinton are hitting the trail and they are:
Not Trump How is that amazing ? Where are the policies ? What are you voting for ? A warm feeling ? The assurance that you're not a bigot ? Obama and Joe Biden's speech were good, but they were mostly stories of how america the beautiful has a big heart, open, caring. There were moments of reason, especially in Obama's speech, but the core of it is emotion. You can win an election on emotion fore sure tho. This questioning is odd considering the fact that Clinton's plans are incredibly intricate and 1) far more detailed than Trump's and 2) far more feasible. How is that relevant to the question if they are not being frontlined at the DNC convention or on anyone's speech ?
I can be wrong because I didn't watched it tho, since the first day i saw a few speeches which were speeches that if it wasn't the DNC would be outright labelled as nationalistic populism by the likes who like to stamp populist as an evil force on any of their political opponents.
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On July 28 2016 21:47 Dan HH wrote:Did Forbes become a satirical site? Show nested quote +Give Back? Yes, It's Time For The 99% To Give Back To The 1%
[...]
For their enormous contributions to our standard of living, the high-earners should be thanked and publicly honored. We are in their debt.
Here’s a modest proposal. Anyone who earns a million dollars or more should be exempt from all income taxes. Yes, it’s too little. And the real issue is not financial, but moral. So to augment the tax-exemption, in an annual public ceremony, the year’s top earner should be awarded the Congressional Medal of Honor.
Imagine the effect on our culture, particularly on the young, if the kind of fame and adulation bathing Lady Gaga attached to the more notable achievements of say, Warren Buffett. Or if the moral praise showered on Mother Teresa went to someone like Lloyd Blankfein, who, in guiding Goldman Sachs toward billions in profits, has done infinitely more for mankind. (Since profit is the market value of the product minus the market value of factors used, profit represents the value created.)
Instead, we live in a culture where Goldman Sachs is smeared as “a great vampire squid wrapped around the face of humanity.” That’s for the sin of successful investing, channeling savings to their most productive uses, instead of wasting them on government boondoggles like Solyndra and bridges to nowhere.
There is indeed a vampire squid wrapped around the face of humanity: the Internal Revenue Service. And, at a deeper level, it is the monstrous perversion of justice that makes the IRS possible: an envy-ridden moral code that damns success, profit, and earning money in voluntary exchange.
An end must be put to the inhuman practice of draining the productive to subsidize the unproductive. An end must be put to the primordial notion that one’s life belongs to the tribe, to “the community,” and that the superlative wealth-creators must do penance for the sin of creating value.
And Ayn Rand is just the lady who can do it. www.forbes.com
In devil's advocate,
1) That's dated 2013, bit old to bring up now.
2) It's a blog/op-ed. It's the same with many news sites, and Forbes is no different. HuffPo for instance is like 80% random contributor op-eds with little quality control. I mean, how else could H.A. Goodman keep publishing for them.
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On July 28 2016 22:55 Stratos_speAr wrote:Show nested quote +On July 28 2016 18:57 WhiteDog wrote:On July 28 2016 13:48 Doodsmack wrote:
This is pretty amazing because the Democrats in their strategy are pursuing a unified "We are not Trump" campaign. The strategy is to get a positive and emotional message across, criticize Trump but not excessively, portray him as unfit, temperamental, cheap and shady in his business dealings, say we are great already in a glowing positive way, talk about bringing each other together rather than dividing, and then sprinkle in Trump's most unrealistic ideas ("ban Muslims from the country", "get Mexico to pay for a wall") and "yes we can" at the perfect time to maintain an air of being "above" Donald in his "believe me" world.
It is a simple, emotional message.
Tim Kaine, Barack Obama, Joe Biden, Bill Clinton, and Hillary Clinton are hitting the trail and they are:
Not Trump How is that amazing ? Where are the policies ? What are you voting for ? A warm feeling ? The assurance that you're not a bigot ? Obama and Joe Biden's speech were good, but they were mostly stories of how america the beautiful has a big heart, open, caring. There were moments of reason, especially in Obama's speech, but the core of it is emotion. You can win an election on emotion fore sure tho. This questioning is odd considering the fact that Clinton's plans are incredibly intricate and 1) far more detailed than Trump's and 2) far more feasible.
Her plans are intricate because she has flip-flopped so many times in the last 8 months that nobody knows whats going on anymore. If you ask a Hillary supporter on the street what her policies are they will stare at you blankly...
And no, 'not being Trump' is not a policy.
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The other thing to mention is that policy specifics are highly overrated. Most voters really don't care. We're only 8 years removed from electing a president based upon promises of "hope and change."
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On July 28 2016 23:24 zeo wrote:Show nested quote +On July 28 2016 22:55 Stratos_speAr wrote:On July 28 2016 18:57 WhiteDog wrote:On July 28 2016 13:48 Doodsmack wrote:
This is pretty amazing because the Democrats in their strategy are pursuing a unified "We are not Drumpf" campaign. The strategy is to get a positive and emotional message across, criticize Drumpf but not excessively, portray him as unfit, temperamental, cheap and shady in his business dealings, say we are great already in a glowing positive way, talk about bringing each other together rather than dividing, and then sprinkle in Drumpf's most unrealistic ideas ("ban Muslims from the country", "get Mexico to pay for a wall") and "yes we can" at the perfect time to maintain an air of being "above" Donald in his "believe me" world.
It is a simple, emotional message.
Tim Kaine, Barack Obama, Joe Biden, Bill Clinton, and Hillary Clinton are hitting the trail and they are:
Not Drumpf How is that amazing ? Where are the policies ? What are you voting for ? A warm feeling ? The assurance that you're not a bigot ? Obama and Joe Biden's speech were good, but they were mostly stories of how america the beautiful has a big heart, open, caring. There were moments of reason, especially in Obama's speech, but the core of it is emotion. You can win an election on emotion fore sure tho. This questioning is odd considering the fact that Clinton's plans are incredibly intricate and 1) far more detailed than Drumpf's and 2) far more feasible. Her plans are intricate because she has flip-flopped so many times in the last 8 months that nobody knows whats going on anymore. If you ask a Hillary supporter on the street what her policies are they will stare at you blankly... And no, 'not being Drumpf' is not a policy.
Yeah too bad there isnt a repository that has swathes of information on policy and where her campaign stands on issues...
oh wait.
meanwhile the alternative solutions are America iz looze, I iz gud bizniz man, We gonna win.
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On July 28 2016 23:27 xDaunt wrote:
The other thing to mention is that policy specifics are highly overrated. Most voters really don't care. We're only 8 years removed from electing a president based upon promises of "hope and change."
And healthcare reform, getting out of Iraq, working out way through the bail out. There were issues that Obama voters cared about, even if all you heard of “Hopes and Change”.
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On July 28 2016 23:28 Plansix wrote:Show nested quote +On July 28 2016 23:27 xDaunt wrote:
The other thing to mention is that policy specifics are highly overrated. Most voters really don't care. We're only 8 years removed from electing a president based upon promises of "hope and change." And healthcare reform, getting out of Iraq, working out way through the bail out. There were issues that Obama voters cared about, even if all you heard of “Hopes and Change”.
Also hard to change shit with a do nothing congress, but thats on Americans.
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policies draw in voters. slogans keep them energized.
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On July 28 2016 21:36 DarkPlasmaBall wrote:
How were last night's DNC speeches? Definitely gotta watch Obama's. Anything/ anyone else noteworthy? I heard Biden and Bloomberg did well too.
Obama proved why he's a GOAT speaker. Can confirm Biden and Bloomberg were both solid. I wasn't huge on Tim (his Saturday speech was better imo), but some people seemed to have enjoyed it.
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On July 28 2016 21:47 Dan HH wrote:Did Forbes become a satirical site? Show nested quote +Give Back? Yes, It's Time For The 99% To Give Back To The 1%
[...]
For their enormous contributions to our standard of living, the high-earners should be thanked and publicly honored. We are in their debt.
Here’s a modest proposal. Anyone who earns a million dollars or more should be exempt from all income taxes. Yes, it’s too little. And the real issue is not financial, but moral. So to augment the tax-exemption, in an annual public ceremony, the year’s top earner should be awarded the Congressional Medal of Honor.
Imagine the effect on our culture, particularly on the young, if the kind of fame and adulation bathing Lady Gaga attached to the more notable achievements of say, Warren Buffett. Or if the moral praise showered on Mother Teresa went to someone like Lloyd Blankfein, who, in guiding Goldman Sachs toward billions in profits, has done infinitely more for mankind. (Since profit is the market value of the product minus the market value of factors used, profit represents the value created.)
Instead, we live in a culture where Goldman Sachs is smeared as “a great vampire squid wrapped around the face of humanity.” That’s for the sin of successful investing, channeling savings to their most productive uses, instead of wasting them on government boondoggles like Solyndra and bridges to nowhere.
There is indeed a vampire squid wrapped around the face of humanity: the Internal Revenue Service. And, at a deeper level, it is the monstrous perversion of justice that makes the IRS possible: an envy-ridden moral code that damns success, profit, and earning money in voluntary exchange.
An end must be put to the inhuman practice of draining the productive to subsidize the unproductive. An end must be put to the primordial notion that one’s life belongs to the tribe, to “the community,” and that the superlative wealth-creators must do penance for the sin of creating value.
And Ayn Rand is just the lady who can do it. www.forbes.com
No wonder mainstream media is dying.
Bizarre article.
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On July 28 2016 23:24 zeo wrote:Show nested quote +On July 28 2016 22:55 Stratos_speAr wrote:On July 28 2016 18:57 WhiteDog wrote:On July 28 2016 13:48 Doodsmack wrote:
This is pretty amazing because the Democrats in their strategy are pursuing a unified "We are not Trump" campaign. The strategy is to get a positive and emotional message across, criticize Trump but not excessively, portray him as unfit, temperamental, cheap and shady in his business dealings, say we are great already in a glowing positive way, talk about bringing each other together rather than dividing, and then sprinkle in Trump's most unrealistic ideas ("ban Muslims from the country", "get Mexico to pay for a wall") and "yes we can" at the perfect time to maintain an air of being "above" Donald in his "believe me" world.
It is a simple, emotional message.
Tim Kaine, Barack Obama, Joe Biden, Bill Clinton, and Hillary Clinton are hitting the trail and they are:
Not Trump How is that amazing ? Where are the policies ? What are you voting for ? A warm feeling ? The assurance that you're not a bigot ? Obama and Joe Biden's speech were good, but they were mostly stories of how america the beautiful has a big heart, open, caring. There were moments of reason, especially in Obama's speech, but the core of it is emotion. You can win an election on emotion fore sure tho. This questioning is odd considering the fact that Clinton's plans are incredibly intricate and 1) far more detailed than Trump's and 2) far more feasible. Her plans are intricate because she has flip-flopped so many times in the last 8 months that nobody knows whats going on anymore. If you ask a Hillary supporter on the street what her policies are they will stare at you blankly... And no, 'not being Trump' is not a policy.
Horseshit. You are just worried that Clinton might get elected and continue to make your strong male role model Putin look like the fool he is.
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