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farvacola
United States18869 Posts
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Rebs
Pakistan10726 Posts
On July 29 2016 00:08 zeo wrote: If-if-if-if-if-if you say Obama is a GOAT speaker, t-thats okie doke with me. Are you saying there isn't a repository with swaths of information on policy and where his campaign stands on issues for Drumpf? Sure if you only get your news from blogs you would think ' America iz looze, I iz gud bizniz man, We gonna win.' No Im not saying that, you are saying that. And yeah I have gone through his entire platform. I would recommend you do the same, maybe you already have but the amount of nonsense verbiage in there is startling. | ||
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Doodsmack
United States7224 Posts
On July 29 2016 00:20 zeo wrote: Need I remind you its been 236 days since Hillary has held a press conference and had to answer questions about her policy and plans. She's probably forgotten half of whats written on her website by now. You could at least not be plainly wrong when arguing. Hillary is the one to have her platform memorized. She is "wonkish" and always has been. | ||
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LegalLord
United States13779 Posts
On July 29 2016 00:23 Doodsmack wrote: It might lead one to believe you are sympathetic to Putin. LegalLord: "Foreign espionage, it happens. It's a fact of life, and everyone does it to everyone if they can. Allies do it to each other too. Leaking it is, as I said, rare but not unheard of." LegalLord: "It's definitely a dick move, and it's also obviously politically motivated, but it's not exactly unheard of for foreign governments to be a dick to people they don't like." LegalLord: "Don't act like countries don't do this kind of shit to each other all the time. The US is probably the biggest offender in seeking to compromise candidates they don't like with politically motivated acts." No thanks. While I'm generally happy to discuss my positions you're just being annoying. I'll pass on this one. | ||
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zeo
Serbia6343 Posts
On July 29 2016 00:23 farvacola wrote: How many press conference posts does that bring us to now? We get it, you've been told to harp on how many days it's been, thanks for the info. Every time you bring up the talking point of what Trump is saying to the press it is perfectly fine to remind people that at least he is saying something. This thread is moving so fast that I'm sure there are people out there that haven't been shown the fact that Clinton has been avoiding reporters for 236 days now. edit: It's no wonder trump has closed the gap on Hillary so fast, you hardly ever hear her speak, she's like Romney 2.0 | ||
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Doodsmack
United States7224 Posts
On July 29 2016 00:26 LegalLord wrote: No thanks. While I'm generally happy to discuss my positions you're just being annoying. I'll pass on this one. Your quotes could not be more clear. | ||
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Plansix
United States60190 Posts
On July 29 2016 00:26 zeo wrote: Every time you bring up the talking point of what Trump is saying to the press it is perfectly fine to remind people that at least he is saying something. This thread is moving so fast that I'm sure there are people out there that haven't been shown the fact that Clinton has been avoiding reporters for 236 days now. That doesn’t prove anything though. Clinton still answers the presses questions, just not in that format. The press asks her campaign questions all the time. You might as well cite “It is been 462 since Clinton has done a 1 on 1 hour long interview with someone with opposing views to her” as some sort of evidence that Trumps statements are not directly from a tire fire factory. We get it, she doesn’t do a lot of press conferences. Trump has not detailed a plan to deal with ISIS beyond “we will kill them all with our army, which is the best.” | ||
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TheTenthDoc
United States9561 Posts
On July 29 2016 00:26 zeo wrote: Every time you bring up the talking point of what Trump is saying to the press it is perfectly fine to remind people that at least he is saying something. This thread is moving so fast that I'm sure there are people out there that haven't been shown the fact that Clinton has been avoiding reporters for 236 days now. edit: It's no wonder trump has closed the gap on Hillary so fast, you hardly ever hear her speak, she's like Romney 2.0 It's actually far, far better to say nothing at all than to say poorly thought out off the cuff responses (which is what press conferences are) when it comes to policy. ESPECIALLY foreign policy. Though if you have legions of followers who actually believe everything you say that seems poorly thought out or a bad idea to them is just a lie or media bait you won't follow through on, it's great for firing them up. | ||
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Toadesstern
Germany16350 Posts
+ Show Spoiler + /sarcasm, I just found it funny that he had to include that in his answer AGAIN | ||
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DarkPlasmaBall
United States46467 Posts
On July 28 2016 23:40 ticklishmusic wrote: Obama proved why he's a GOAT speaker. Can confirm Biden and Bloomberg were both solid. I wasn't huge on Tim (his Saturday speech was better imo), but some people seemed to have enjoyed it. Thank you  | ||
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zeo
Serbia6343 Posts
On July 29 2016 00:31 Plansix wrote: That doesn’t prove anything though. Clinton still answers the presses questions, just not in that format. The press asks her campaign questions all the time. You might as well cite “It is been 462 since Clinton has done a 1 on 1 hour long interview with someone with opposing views to her” as some sort of evidence that Trumps statements are not directly from a tire fire factory. We get it, she doesn’t do a lot of press conferences. Trump has not detailed a plan to deal with ISIS beyond “we will kill them all with our army, which is the best.” And if the DNC email leak has taught us anything its that there is an imoral relationship between Clinton and large parts of the mainstream media. When Washington Post reporters send their articles to the DNC to get the OK something is wrong. No, getting asked questions that you yourself have given to the media to ask you is not the same as getting asked questions you weren't briefed about beforehand. As for ISIS saying you will destroy them is better than using American taxpayer money to actively fund and train extremist groups that would later go on to become ISIS. Saying you will destroy ISIS in Libya is better than being the guy that bombed the only secular force in the country, turning it into a tribal sharia hellhole where women who were going to university a few years ago now get acid throw in their face by 'democratic forces' because you could see their ankles. | ||
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zeo
Serbia6343 Posts
On July 29 2016 00:38 TheTenthDoc wrote: It's actually far, far better to say nothing at all than to say poorly thought out off the cuff responses (which is what press conferences are) when it comes to policy. ESPECIALLY foreign policy. Though if you have legions of followers who actually believe everything you say that seems poorly thought out or a bad idea to them is just a lie or media bait you won't follow through on, it's great for firing them up. Sure, lets talk about Clinton's foreign policy record. I'm all for it. On July 29 2016 00:40 Toadesstern wrote: I would really like to know how long it has been since Clintons last press conference though + Show Spoiler + /sarcasm, I just found it funny that he had to include that in his answer AGAIN Clinton doesn't answer questions she hasn't planted herself. A woman could have gotten pregnant the day Clinton last answered a legit question and she would would be expecting to give birth any day now. All this in an election year too. | ||
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Plansix
United States60190 Posts
On July 29 2016 00:42 zeo wrote: And if the DNC email leak has taught us anything its that there is an imoral relationship between Clinton and large parts of the mainstream media. When Washington Post reporters send their articles to the DNC to get the OK something is wrong. No, getting asked questions that you yourself have given to the media to ask you is not the same as getting asked questions you weren't briefed about beforehand. As for ISIS saying you will destroy them is better than using American taxpayer money to actively fund and train extremist groups that would later go on to become ISIS. Saying you will destroy ISIS in Libya is better than being the guy that bombed the only secular force in the country, turning it into a tribal sharia hellhole where women who were going to university a few years ago now get acid throw in their face by 'democratic forces' because you could see their ankles. But if we have learned anything over the last few days, it’s that Trump is Putin’s biggest fan and Trump wants Russia to win the election for him. Maybe Trump will hand out some goodies from his security briefings to get Putin to help. | ||
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Plansix
United States60190 Posts
On July 29 2016 00:43 zeo wrote: Sure, lets talk about Clinton's foreign policy record. I'm all for it. I can see why you would want to change the topic. | ||
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LegalLord
United States13779 Posts
On July 29 2016 00:45 Plansix wrote: But if we have learned anything over the last few days, it’s that Trump is Putin’s biggest fan and Trump wants Russia to win the election for him. Maybe Trump will hand out some goodies from his security briefings to get Putin to help. Is that what we've learned or is that just your interpretation of just one more Trumpism from the press conference? | ||
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zeo
Serbia6343 Posts
On July 29 2016 00:46 Plansix wrote: I can see why you would want to change the topic. What topic am I trying to change? We can talk about whatever you want, I've got lots of free time before I leave for Greece in a few days. | ||
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Rebs
Pakistan10726 Posts
On July 29 2016 00:42 zeo wrote: As for ISIS saying you will destroy them is better than using American taxpayer money to actively fund and train extremist groups that would later go on to become ISIS. Saying you will destroy ISIS in Libya is better than being the guy that bombed the only secular force in the country, turning it into a tribal sharia hellhole where women who were going to university a few years ago now get acid throw in their face by 'democratic forces' because you could see their ankles. While you have a point there, his plan isnt to destroy just ISIS, his plan is to destroy pretty much anything and everything that could be ISIS. That probably includes women that were going to University a few years ago.. along with the elderly, and children and .... | ||
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DarkPlasmaBall
United States46467 Posts
"Glenn Beck: “I’m probably going to vote for Gary Johnson”" ~ http://reason.com/blog/2016/07/23/glenn-beck-im-probably-going-to-vote-for "Marvin Bush voting for Gary Johnson" ~ http://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2016/jul/27/marvin-bush-voting-gary-johnson/ "Neo-conservative writer Bill Kristol, who led the failed "Never Trump" movement, has issues with Johnson's hand's-off-the-world foreign policy. But in tweets this week he suggested he's thinking about voting for him." ~ http://www.oregonlive.com/today/index.ssf/2016/07/gary_johnson_could_snatch_the.html Apparently, voters of Gary Johnson are more likely to be Republican than Democrat? That's reassuring for those of us who would prefer Hillary over Donald as president. | ||
CosmicSpiral
United States15275 Posts
On July 29 2016 00:42 zeo wrote: And if the DNC email leak has taught us anything its that there is an immoral relationship between Clinton and large parts of the mainstream media. When Washington Post reporters send their articles to the DNC to get the OK something is wrong. No, getting asked questions that you yourself have given to the media to ask you is not the same as getting asked questions you weren't briefed about beforehand. This is actually a pretty common thing. On July 29 2016 00:42 zeo wrote: As for ISIS saying you will destroy them is better than using American taxpayer money to actively fund and train extremist groups that would later go on to become ISIS. Errr, you're confusing ISIS with al Qaeda. Jama'at al-Tawhid wal-Jihad pledged allegiance to al Qaeda back to 2004, but has existed since 1999. On July 29 2016 00:42 zeo wrote: Saying you will destroy ISIS in Libya is better than being the guy that bombed the only secular force in the country, turning it into a tribal sharia hellhole where women who were going to university a few years ago now get acid throw in their face by 'democratic forces' because you could see their ankles. Gaddafi and secular don't belong in the same sentence. We can extend the same courtesy to the Jamahiriya. | ||
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Plansix
United States60190 Posts
On July 29 2016 00:48 LegalLord wrote: Is that what we've learned or is that just your interpretation of just one more Trumpism from the press conference? • Zeo started the discussion by staying that a poster was poorly informed about Trumps plans. • We then moved to look up Trumps plans and found them to be lacking in details, which is a contrast to Clintons. • Zeo than decided to change subjects and spew out his standard press conference line. • I countered that argument saying that Clinton has responded to questions from the press in a number of formats and Trumps statements are still a dumpster fire and attempted to move the discussion back to Trump’s policies. • He then moved on to talk about the email scandal, the DNC and other things he wants to talk about. • Someone pointed out Trumps FP gaffs and Zeo said “Cool, lets talk about Clinton’s FP decisions” Every time the topic comes back to Trump and his statements, he turns it to an ever changing, mercurial discussion about Clinton that is not limited to any single topic. It is whataboutism and I have become tired of him doing it. Its is garbage and no way to hold a discussion about anything. | ||
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