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GGTeMpLaR
Profile Blog Joined June 2009
United States7226 Posts
July 28 2016 03:31 GMT
#90901
He should have let Hillary have 08/12 and ran this year it would almost certainly result in 16 years of democrats in office.

He's young enough, she isn't.
On_Slaught
Profile Joined August 2008
United States12190 Posts
July 28 2016 03:31 GMT
#90902
Obama gets how to win a campaign. Address people other than your core constituencies and focus on getting people out to vote.
acker
Profile Joined September 2010
United States2958 Posts
July 28 2016 03:31 GMT
#90903
On July 28 2016 12:30 CosmicSpiral wrote:
Is Obama the first person to directly address the rural, white population?

That would be Bill from yesterday.
CosmicSpiral
Profile Blog Joined December 2010
United States15275 Posts
July 28 2016 03:32 GMT
#90904
On July 28 2016 12:31 acker wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 28 2016 12:30 CosmicSpiral wrote:
Is Obama the first person to directly address the rural, white population?

That would be Bill from yesterday.


Ah, I only saw the end of his speech.
WriterWovon man nicht sprechen kann, darüber muß man schweigen.
LegalLord
Profile Blog Joined April 2013
United States13779 Posts
July 28 2016 03:32 GMT
#90905
On July 28 2016 12:30 ShoCkeyy wrote:
I think plenty of people would like Obama to run again.

He has said that he would win a third term if he could run again. While I have plenty of problems with him and his presidency, I would vote for him again and I think he would win again.
History will sooner or later sweep the European Union away without mercy.
Doodsmack
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
United States7224 Posts
July 28 2016 03:32 GMT
#90906
On July 28 2016 12:31 GGTeMpLaR wrote:
He should have let Hillary have 08/12 and ran this year it would almost certainly result in 16 years of democrats in office.

He's young enough, she isn't.


Did you really just make a Hillary's too old argument
acker
Profile Joined September 2010
United States2958 Posts
July 28 2016 03:33 GMT
#90907
Obama is going to campaign for her for three months. It's might be like a wrecking ball going through bowling pins.
LegalLord
Profile Blog Joined April 2013
United States13779 Posts
July 28 2016 03:33 GMT
#90908
On July 28 2016 12:31 GGTeMpLaR wrote:
He should have let Hillary have 08/12 and ran this year it would almost certainly result in 16 years of democrats in office.

He's young enough, she isn't.

Alternatively, Hillary may have burned out the Dem party's goodwill and led to 2012-2020 Republican presidency.
History will sooner or later sweep the European Union away without mercy.
GGTeMpLaR
Profile Blog Joined June 2009
United States7226 Posts
Last Edited: 2016-07-28 03:34:51
July 28 2016 03:34 GMT
#90909
On July 28 2016 12:32 Doodsmack wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 28 2016 12:31 GGTeMpLaR wrote:
He should have let Hillary have 08/12 and ran this year it would almost certainly result in 16 years of democrats in office.

He's young enough, she isn't.


Did you really just make a Hillary's too old argument


If Clinton does not win this election she is done.

She will be too old in 2020 to run again.

Even if she does win, keeping it the full 8 years will be very difficult.

So yes, Hillary is older than Obama by a significant amount. That is a fact

On July 28 2016 12:33 LegalLord wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 28 2016 12:31 GGTeMpLaR wrote:
He should have let Hillary have 08/12 and ran this year it would almost certainly result in 16 years of democrats in office.

He's young enough, she isn't.

Alternatively, Hillary may have burned out the Dem party's goodwill and led to 2012-2020 Republican presidency.


It's possible, who knows?
Doodsmack
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
United States7224 Posts
July 28 2016 03:36 GMT
#90910
On July 28 2016 12:34 GGTeMpLaR wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 28 2016 12:32 Doodsmack wrote:
On July 28 2016 12:31 GGTeMpLaR wrote:
He should have let Hillary have 08/12 and ran this year it would almost certainly result in 16 years of democrats in office.

He's young enough, she isn't.


Did you really just make a Hillary's too old argument


She will be too old in 2020 to run again.

Even if she does win, keeping it the full 8 years will be very difficult.



Why don't you type out two numbers - Trump's age and Hillary's age, then see the result.
GGTeMpLaR
Profile Blog Joined June 2009
United States7226 Posts
July 28 2016 03:36 GMT
#90911
On July 28 2016 12:36 Doodsmack wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 28 2016 12:34 GGTeMpLaR wrote:
On July 28 2016 12:32 Doodsmack wrote:
On July 28 2016 12:31 GGTeMpLaR wrote:
He should have let Hillary have 08/12 and ran this year it would almost certainly result in 16 years of democrats in office.

He's young enough, she isn't.


Did you really just make a Hillary's too old argument


She will be too old in 2020 to run again.

Even if she does win, keeping it the full 8 years will be very difficult.



Why don't you type out two numbers - Trump's age and Hillary's age, then see the result.


I would apply my same argument to Trump so you're arguing against no one here.
acker
Profile Joined September 2010
United States2958 Posts
Last Edited: 2016-07-28 03:38:38
July 28 2016 03:37 GMT
#90912
I don't see either candidate staying in office for two terms.

To be honest, it might be better for Democrats to throw this election so they can win the 2020 election and control redistricting.
LegalLord
Profile Blog Joined April 2013
United States13779 Posts
July 28 2016 03:39 GMT
#90913
On July 28 2016 12:34 GGTeMpLaR wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 28 2016 12:33 LegalLord wrote:
On July 28 2016 12:31 GGTeMpLaR wrote:
He should have let Hillary have 08/12 and ran this year it would almost certainly result in 16 years of democrats in office.

He's young enough, she isn't.

Alternatively, Hillary may have burned out the Dem party's goodwill and led to 2012-2020 Republican presidency.


It's possible, who knows?

I can't think of a single policy issue that Obama faced that Hillary would have done better. Most of the bad parts of his presidency are the parts that Hillary would have doubled down on. Most of the good, well there isn't much improvement because what Obama did well he did well.

Only one major issue I could see that Hillary might have done better on was NASA. Obama bungled the future of NASA pretty badly by canceling the Space Shuttle and Constellation with no real follow up. I have no idea if Hillary would do it better but I have no reason to think she would have done it worse.
History will sooner or later sweep the European Union away without mercy.
xDaunt
Profile Joined March 2010
United States17988 Posts
July 28 2016 03:39 GMT
#90914
Trump will probably retire after one term, but given how good he still looks, I doubt that he'll have slowed down much.
Falling
Profile Blog Joined June 2009
Canada11607 Posts
July 28 2016 03:39 GMT
#90915
2020 election and control redistricting.

Isn't that all at the state level?
ModeratorWake me up when Trump's term is finished. Slava Ukraini.
CorsairHero
Profile Joined December 2008
Canada9491 Posts
July 28 2016 03:39 GMT
#90916
On July 28 2016 12:37 acker wrote:
I don't see either candidate staying in office for two terms.

To be honest, it might be better for Democrats to throw this election so they can win the 2020 election and control redistricting.

When i look at who ran in 2012 on the democrats side, I dont see anyone having a chance of taking the primary. Everyone that had a chance declined to run. Why would 2020 be any different?
© Current year.
LegalLord
Profile Blog Joined April 2013
United States13779 Posts
July 28 2016 03:40 GMT
#90917
On July 28 2016 12:37 acker wrote:
I don't see either candidate staying in office for two terms.

To be honest, it might be better for Democrats to throw this election so they can win the 2020 election and control redistricting.

Redistricting or the Supreme Court, which matters more?
History will sooner or later sweep the European Union away without mercy.
acker
Profile Joined September 2010
United States2958 Posts
Last Edited: 2016-07-28 03:41:26
July 28 2016 03:40 GMT
#90918
On July 28 2016 12:39 Falling wrote:
Show nested quote +
2020 election and control redistricting.

Isn't that all at the state level?

Winning the presidency typically has positive effects for the party down the ballot.

On July 28 2016 12:40 LegalLord wrote:
Redistricting or the Supreme Court, which matters more?

In either case, the president would have four years to elect justices that retire.
Doodsmack
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
United States7224 Posts
July 28 2016 03:40 GMT
#90919
On July 28 2016 12:39 xDaunt wrote:
but given how good he still looks,


Check again.
ticklishmusic
Profile Blog Joined August 2011
United States15977 Posts
July 28 2016 03:41 GMT
#90920
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