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Cam Connor
Profile Blog Joined September 2011
Canada786 Posts
May 11 2016 22:17 GMT
#75881
feel like it doesn't hurt to make data available to the public, if things are meant to be transparent and above board
but if you trust the government agencies that absolutely, that's fine for you
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Naracs_Duc
Profile Joined August 2015
746 Posts
May 11 2016 22:20 GMT
#75882
On May 12 2016 07:05 Plansix wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 12 2016 07:03 Naracs_Duc wrote:
On May 12 2016 06:39 GreenHorizons wrote:
On May 12 2016 06:16 Naracs_Duc wrote:
On May 12 2016 05:56 Godwrath wrote:
On May 12 2016 05:04 Jaaaaasper wrote:
Man for a guy who claims to want to take the corruption and money out of politics, Bernie Sanders has a lot of Illegal campaign donations

How are they illegal ? (Talking from ignorance)


Some of Bernie's donators are:
"Solar guy", "Rockstar", "Prophet at UNSELFISH", "Keyboard Specialist" (DMV), random strings of numbers, "Shrink", "Human Being", "IT Guy", "Figurehead", "POOR ASS STUDENT", "Bar Patron", "Web nerd", "Worker bee", Yale's locksmith, "OFFICE GAL", "REALTOR?", "Fulfillment", and "Seed Saver"

There's also repeat donors of people hitting the cap but donating anyway, etc...

non-names linked to random PO Box numbers, etc...

All donating to Bernie to both circumvent the cap as well as fake "individual contributions"


Those are what they put for their occupation isn't it?

It obviously is something entirely different than what he's talking about other than that the whole fundraising system is terrible.

He's not against money in politics whatsoever (no one is). Hes against the corrupting influence it has currently.

What about these requests from the fec indicates however much was illegally donated was to gain corrupting influence?

To be clear it's the perceived hypocrisy, not the using the rules to his advantage that made people think this was a story right?



Not all of those are occupations. There's someone named ACTBLUE who only has a po box and no other info about them who donated about 10+ times on april alone. This is literal fraud, this is literal campaign fraud. Bernie is being asked to pay it back, he is refusing. People are spending over the limit, non-citizens are spending.

The rules do not allow what he is doing. Literally does not allow it.

Please provide proof that he expressly states he is refusing to return the funds.


I guess the FEC asking to pay it back, repeatedly, while adding more people to the list he hasn't payed back is insufficient evidence.
ticklishmusic
Profile Blog Joined August 2011
United States15977 Posts
Last Edited: 2016-05-11 22:21:09
May 11 2016 22:20 GMT
#75883
chill p6

@cam go to the fec site, search act blue click on individual contributions hyperlink under the 2 year summary tab. its itemized contributions, so only those bigger than 250
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Plansix
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
United States60190 Posts
Last Edited: 2016-05-11 22:25:25
May 11 2016 22:21 GMT
#75884
Considering the group digging into it is a bunch of people on a website not using their real names, there could be more transparency all around. So I'll stick to the government agency with a phone number and far more accountability than the reddit mob.

On May 12 2016 07:20 Naracs_Duc wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 12 2016 07:05 Plansix wrote:
On May 12 2016 07:03 Naracs_Duc wrote:
On May 12 2016 06:39 GreenHorizons wrote:
On May 12 2016 06:16 Naracs_Duc wrote:
On May 12 2016 05:56 Godwrath wrote:
On May 12 2016 05:04 Jaaaaasper wrote:
Man for a guy who claims to want to take the corruption and money out of politics, Bernie Sanders has a lot of Illegal campaign donations

How are they illegal ? (Talking from ignorance)


Some of Bernie's donators are:
"Solar guy", "Rockstar", "Prophet at UNSELFISH", "Keyboard Specialist" (DMV), random strings of numbers, "Shrink", "Human Being", "IT Guy", "Figurehead", "POOR ASS STUDENT", "Bar Patron", "Web nerd", "Worker bee", Yale's locksmith, "OFFICE GAL", "REALTOR?", "Fulfillment", and "Seed Saver"

There's also repeat donors of people hitting the cap but donating anyway, etc...

non-names linked to random PO Box numbers, etc...

All donating to Bernie to both circumvent the cap as well as fake "individual contributions"


Those are what they put for their occupation isn't it?

It obviously is something entirely different than what he's talking about other than that the whole fundraising system is terrible.

He's not against money in politics whatsoever (no one is). Hes against the corrupting influence it has currently.

What about these requests from the fec indicates however much was illegally donated was to gain corrupting influence?

To be clear it's the perceived hypocrisy, not the using the rules to his advantage that made people think this was a story right?



Not all of those are occupations. There's someone named ACTBLUE who only has a po box and no other info about them who donated about 10+ times on april alone. This is literal fraud, this is literal campaign fraud. Bernie is being asked to pay it back, he is refusing. People are spending over the limit, non-citizens are spending.

The rules do not allow what he is doing. Literally does not allow it.

Please provide proof that he expressly states he is refusing to return the funds.


I guess the FEC asking to pay it back, repeatedly, while adding more people to the list he hasn't payed back is insufficient evidence.


As long as he sets aside the money he is supposed to return and keeps the FEC appraised, it should be fine. Its not like he can just spam out wire transfers, since most bank accounts will not accept those. Even if he sends it back in the form of a check, they might not cash it.

I know people are going to find this hard to believe, but it can be very hard to return money. We handle surpluses for banks all the time and a bunch of it gets sent to abandoned property because can't send it to anyone.
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Cam Connor
Profile Blog Joined September 2011
Canada786 Posts
May 11 2016 22:22 GMT
#75885
On May 12 2016 07:20 ticklishmusic wrote:
chill p6

@cam go to the fec site, search act blue click on individual contributions hyperlink under the 2 year summary tab. its itemized contributions, so only those bigger than 250

my man! tx
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Deleted User 3420
Profile Blog Joined May 2003
24492 Posts
May 11 2016 22:25 GMT
#75886
given it's public information it would be pretty silly to conclude that there is something sinister going on, especially considering what his campaign is all about (those people in the reddit thread are actually completely looney).


that said, his campaign should get their shit together a little better

if they are really doing out of line illegal stuff, I expect the FEC will take care of it.
Cam Connor
Profile Blog Joined September 2011
Canada786 Posts
May 11 2016 22:27 GMT
#75887
between the sanders for prez reddit and the stopsandersspam reddit you have enough insane asylum candidates to fill all the institutions for 100 years
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ticklishmusic
Profile Blog Joined August 2011
United States15977 Posts
Last Edited: 2016-05-11 22:36:40
May 11 2016 22:36 GMT
#75888
stop supporting the for profit prison industry

clearly shows how much we need mental health reform amirite
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{CC}StealthBlue
Profile Blog Joined January 2003
United States41117 Posts
Last Edited: 2016-05-11 23:12:00
May 11 2016 23:11 GMT
#75889
Any accountants here on TL? Wondering if the reason that Trump won't release his tax returns are because it's possible that he didn't pay any due to using his Real Estate as credits maybe?
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oneofthem
Profile Blog Joined November 2005
Cayman Islands24199 Posts
Last Edited: 2016-05-11 23:56:14
May 11 2016 23:14 GMT
#75890
the dnc should really listen to bernie and hold those who break already weak campaign financing rules responsible when he comes asking the party to eat his campaign debt after his illegal donations are cleared out
We have fed the heart on fantasies, the heart's grown brutal from the fare, more substance in our enmities than in our love
Cam Connor
Profile Blog Joined September 2011
Canada786 Posts
May 11 2016 23:14 GMT
#75891
My guess is trumps effective tax rate is sub 20% and that won't be looked upon kindly given the national conversation around tax avoidance by the rich
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Cam Connor
Profile Blog Joined September 2011
Canada786 Posts
May 11 2016 23:16 GMT
#75892
Trump might even pay nothing in taxes due to paper losses from real estate
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ticklishmusic
Profile Blog Joined August 2011
United States15977 Posts
Last Edited: 2016-05-11 23:33:01
May 11 2016 23:31 GMT
#75893
gotta page kwark

he probably pays less in taxes due to all sorts of rich people tricks, most of his stuff is probably held in s corps anyways to take advantage of tax stuff while avoiding double taxation.

trump doesnt even own that much real estate these days, a lot of the stuff with his name on it is just branding. theres going to be depreciation of the real property and a bunch of other things which will reduce income for the corporate entity

im not too familiar with tax credits or any he might have. i did read that a lot of his "charitable contributions" were actually just dollar values for not developing land (and just turning it into gold courses instead).

anyways i dont think theres anything legally sketchy b/c the IRS has def looked at his files. it's almost guaranteed he's just not as rich as he says he is, pays less taxes and has lousy charitable contributions
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kwizach
Profile Joined June 2011
3658 Posts
May 11 2016 23:33 GMT
#75894
On May 12 2016 08:31 ticklishmusic wrote:
it's almost guaranteed he's just not as rich as he says he is, pays less taxes and has lousy charitable contributions

Yeah, that's what I'm guessing as well.
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LegalLord
Profile Blog Joined April 2013
United States13779 Posts
May 11 2016 23:37 GMT
#75895
On May 12 2016 08:31 ticklishmusic wrote:
it's almost guaranteed he's just not as rich as he says he is

I've informed Trump of this assertion of yours. Prepare for the incoming lawsuit.
History will sooner or later sweep the European Union away without mercy.
Sermokala
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
United States14104 Posts
May 11 2016 23:37 GMT
#75896
People did the same thing with Obama's website back in the day going so far as to replicate a donation from osama bin ladin from a cave in Afghanistan and it still took it.

There won't be any "illegal donations being cleared out". And if they do there won't be any debt because the money was already spent. This would literally be a case of making something up out of thin air.

And if they go after Bernie sanders for bunk online donations they'd have to go after EVERYONE ELSE who gets donations from online. I guarantee you there isn't anyone who has a 100% compliant donation system as that would require so many hoops no one would donate online.
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ticklishmusic
Profile Blog Joined August 2011
United States15977 Posts
Last Edited: 2016-05-11 23:43:23
May 11 2016 23:42 GMT
#75897
On May 12 2016 08:37 LegalLord wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 12 2016 08:31 ticklishmusic wrote:
it's almost guaranteed he's just not as rich as he says he is

I've informed Trump of this assertion of yours. Prepare for the incoming lawsuit.


to win he has to prove its not true which means releasing his tax returns
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{CC}StealthBlue
Profile Blog Joined January 2003
United States41117 Posts
May 11 2016 23:43 GMT
#75898
Democrats and climate hawks share a dilemma, and that dilemma is millennials.

Millennials — people born between 1980 and 2000, give or take, depending on your definition — are, in many ways, an incredibly attractive political target. There's a lot of them, they lean Democrat, they are more concerned about climate change than older cohorts, and they absolutely love clean energy.

The problem is, too few of them vote. "Between 1964 and 2012," writes Derek Thompson at the Atlantic, "youth voter turnout in presidential elections has fallen below 50 percent, and Baby Boomers now outvote their children's generation by a stunning 30 percentage points." It's even worse in midterm elections.

Now, eco-billionaire Tom Steyer is going to put some of his money toward changing that. His Super PAC, NextGen Climate, is launching a $25 million "national campaign to register and mobilize young voters in seven key battleground states to help elect climate champions to the White House and the Senate this fall."


Source
"Smokey, this is not 'Nam, this is bowling. There are rules."
xDaunt
Profile Joined March 2010
United States17988 Posts
May 11 2016 23:47 GMT
#75899
On May 12 2016 08:43 {CC}StealthBlue wrote:
Show nested quote +
Democrats and climate hawks share a dilemma, and that dilemma is millennials.

Millennials — people born between 1980 and 2000, give or take, depending on your definition — are, in many ways, an incredibly attractive political target. There's a lot of them, they lean Democrat, they are more concerned about climate change than older cohorts, and they absolutely love clean energy.

The problem is, too few of them vote. "Between 1964 and 2012," writes Derek Thompson at the Atlantic, "youth voter turnout in presidential elections has fallen below 50 percent, and Baby Boomers now outvote their children's generation by a stunning 30 percentage points." It's even worse in midterm elections.

Now, eco-billionaire Tom Steyer is going to put some of his money toward changing that. His Super PAC, NextGen Climate, is launching a $25 million "national campaign to register and mobilize young voters in seven key battleground states to help elect climate champions to the White House and the Senate this fall."


Source

And I fully expect the millennial vote to plummet yet again. They aren't interested in Hillary.
GreenHorizons
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
United States23832 Posts
Last Edited: 2016-05-11 23:52:51
May 11 2016 23:48 GMT
#75900
Lol its like people have no.idea act blue is the standard tool for dem fundraising. Bernie has a lot of foriegn donors because he has support from around the world, some may be expats others skirting rules. To try to use this to make Bernie look bad is just sad.

Had Bernie just not hit Clinton for her shady fundraising, and pushed these donations through superPACs he coordinates with or run by former campaign staff/close friends of his, you all would think that's fine, but you want to get your panties in a twist and once again point to reddit ravings after repeatedly dismissing reddit when you disagree with it..

I just hope plan is starting to see what I've been pointing out for a while. The Hillary circle jerk here is as bad as sanders reddit except you all don't accomplish anything with it here.
On May 12 2016 08:47 xDaunt wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 12 2016 08:43 {CC}StealthBlue wrote:
Democrats and climate hawks share a dilemma, and that dilemma is millennials.

Millennials — people born between 1980 and 2000, give or take, depending on your definition — are, in many ways, an incredibly attractive political target. There's a lot of them, they lean Democrat, they are more concerned about climate change than older cohorts, and they absolutely love clean energy.

The problem is, too few of them vote. "Between 1964 and 2012," writes Derek Thompson at the Atlantic, "youth voter turnout in presidential elections has fallen below 50 percent, and Baby Boomers now outvote their children's generation by a stunning 30 percentage points." It's even worse in midterm elections.

Now, eco-billionaire Tom Steyer is going to put some of his money toward changing that. His Super PAC, NextGen Climate, is launching a $25 million "national campaign to register and mobilize young voters in seven key battleground states to help elect climate champions to the White House and the Senate this fall."


Source

And I fully expect the millennial vote to plummet yet again. They aren't interested in Hillary.


Without a doubt black and under 30 turnout will be down, maybe black women turnout goes up.
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