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On May 12 2016 06:50 Jaaaaasper wrote:Show nested quote +On May 12 2016 06:39 GreenHorizons wrote:On May 12 2016 06:16 Naracs_Duc wrote:On May 12 2016 05:56 Godwrath wrote:On May 12 2016 05:04 Jaaaaasper wrote:Man for a guy who claims to want to take the corruption and money out of politics, Bernie Sanders has a lot of Illegal campaign donations How are they illegal ? (Talking from ignorance) Some of Bernie's donators are: "Solar guy", "Rockstar", "Prophet at UNSELFISH", "Keyboard Specialist" (DMV), random strings of numbers, "Shrink", "Human Being", "IT Guy", "Figurehead", "POOR ASS STUDENT", "Bar Patron", "Web nerd", "Worker bee", Yale's locksmith, "OFFICE GAL", "REALTOR?", "Fulfillment", and "Seed Saver" There's also repeat donors of people hitting the cap but donating anyway, etc... non-names linked to random PO Box numbers, etc... All donating to Bernie to both circumvent the cap as well as fake "individual contributions" Those are what they put for their occupation isn't it? It obviously is something entirely different than what he's talking about other than that the whole fundraising system is terrible. He's not against money in politics whatsoever (no one is). Hes against the corrupting influence it has currently. What about these requests from the fec indicates however much was illegally donated was to gain corrupting influence? To be clear it's the perceived hypocrisy, not the using the rules to his advantage that made people think this was a story right? Its funny because hes running the most financially corrupt campaign in a long time, with over 10 million in illegal donations and a very expensive family vacation to Rome out of campaign funds.
If he was ever going to win, these against the rules donations would be albatross around his neck. What is the plan for fixing this mess? As stated above, returning these excess and poorly sourced donations is hard.
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On May 12 2016 06:50 Jaaaaasper wrote:Show nested quote +On May 12 2016 06:39 GreenHorizons wrote:On May 12 2016 06:16 Naracs_Duc wrote:On May 12 2016 05:56 Godwrath wrote:On May 12 2016 05:04 Jaaaaasper wrote:Man for a guy who claims to want to take the corruption and money out of politics, Bernie Sanders has a lot of Illegal campaign donations How are they illegal ? (Talking from ignorance) Some of Bernie's donators are: "Solar guy", "Rockstar", "Prophet at UNSELFISH", "Keyboard Specialist" (DMV), random strings of numbers, "Shrink", "Human Being", "IT Guy", "Figurehead", "POOR ASS STUDENT", "Bar Patron", "Web nerd", "Worker bee", Yale's locksmith, "OFFICE GAL", "REALTOR?", "Fulfillment", and "Seed Saver" There's also repeat donors of people hitting the cap but donating anyway, etc... non-names linked to random PO Box numbers, etc... All donating to Bernie to both circumvent the cap as well as fake "individual contributions" Those are what they put for their occupation isn't it? It obviously is something entirely different than what he's talking about other than that the whole fundraising system is terrible. He's not against money in politics whatsoever (no one is). Hes against the corrupting influence it has currently. What about these requests from the fec indicates however much was illegally donated was to gain corrupting influence? To be clear it's the perceived hypocrisy, not the using the rules to his advantage that made people think this was a story right? Its funny because hes running the most financially corrupt campaign in a long time, with over 10 million in illegal donations and a very expensive family vacation to Rome out of campaign funds.
If he receives donations that he cannot return, and cannot and does not use, is that really corruption? Or are most of the posters in this forum just blinded by their passion for Hillary?
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On May 12 2016 06:44 Plansix wrote:Show nested quote +On May 12 2016 06:38 ticklishmusic wrote:On May 12 2016 06:17 Plansix wrote:
I was always under the impression that they all candidates dealt with that problem and just returned the funds. It is an open donation systems, they hold the money and just return the funds that can’t be used under law. The problem is that he's not actually making the refunds, this is like... the third RFAI from the FEC and the attached lists of donations is just getting longer and longer. A brief scan shows that many of the flagged donations from previous FEC notices are still there. Maybe the FEC actually gets tired of shit and takes legal action. There is a ton of money in his campaign accounts that he shouldn't have, so it's difficult to ascertain the actual financial position he's in. To be fair, some of the donations might be impossible to refund, depending on how they were issued. Some people might be under the delusion that he gets to keep the funds if they make it hard to fund them. Which isn’t true, I am willing to bet they go to abandoned property or something similar. As long as he isn’t spending the money and is trying to return it, I don’t see it as a problem. Show nested quote +On May 12 2016 06:44 ticklishmusic wrote:
It's still wrong to break campaign finance laws. One case here is that other candidates have effectively blocked foreign donations by tracking IP addresses (I'm not clear on the technical details) but Bernie hasn't which is why he has a lot of illegal donations from noncitizens.
Legal is not always equivalent to moral, but that's not to say you should disregard the rules for... whatever reason, even if it is incompetence As someone who has had to deal with surpluses and people paying stuff they shouldn't and then being impossible to find, its not as easy as pressing the "return to sender" button.
Even giving his campaign the benefit of the doubt, they're doing a pretty shitty job of it. I really hope they have a big fat account labeled flagged donations, but considering the FEC has found their reports to be pretty wanting I feel like they don't have their finances in order
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On May 12 2016 06:53 Saryph wrote:Show nested quote +On May 12 2016 06:50 Jaaaaasper wrote:On May 12 2016 06:39 GreenHorizons wrote:On May 12 2016 06:16 Naracs_Duc wrote:On May 12 2016 05:56 Godwrath wrote:On May 12 2016 05:04 Jaaaaasper wrote:Man for a guy who claims to want to take the corruption and money out of politics, Bernie Sanders has a lot of Illegal campaign donations How are they illegal ? (Talking from ignorance) Some of Bernie's donators are: "Solar guy", "Rockstar", "Prophet at UNSELFISH", "Keyboard Specialist" (DMV), random strings of numbers, "Shrink", "Human Being", "IT Guy", "Figurehead", "POOR ASS STUDENT", "Bar Patron", "Web nerd", "Worker bee", Yale's locksmith, "OFFICE GAL", "REALTOR?", "Fulfillment", and "Seed Saver" There's also repeat donors of people hitting the cap but donating anyway, etc... non-names linked to random PO Box numbers, etc... All donating to Bernie to both circumvent the cap as well as fake "individual contributions" Those are what they put for their occupation isn't it? It obviously is something entirely different than what he's talking about other than that the whole fundraising system is terrible. He's not against money in politics whatsoever (no one is). Hes against the corrupting influence it has currently. What about these requests from the fec indicates however much was illegally donated was to gain corrupting influence? To be clear it's the perceived hypocrisy, not the using the rules to his advantage that made people think this was a story right? Its funny because hes running the most financially corrupt campaign in a long time, with over 10 million in illegal donations and a very expensive family vacation to Rome out of campaign funds. If he receives donations that he cannot return, and cannot and does not use, is that really corruption? Or are most of the posters in this forum just blinded by their passion for Hillary?
Classic Bernie supporter logic, he can't do anything wrong its just everyone is out to get their poor hero who can do no wrong. How come no other campaign has this problem? Clinton and Trump don't have it, neither did Obama. If everyone has that problem it would be one thing, but when its just Bernie, its something hes doing wrong, plain and simple
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On May 12 2016 06:53 CannonsNCarriers wrote:Show nested quote +On May 12 2016 06:50 Jaaaaasper wrote:On May 12 2016 06:39 GreenHorizons wrote:On May 12 2016 06:16 Naracs_Duc wrote:On May 12 2016 05:56 Godwrath wrote:On May 12 2016 05:04 Jaaaaasper wrote:Man for a guy who claims to want to take the corruption and money out of politics, Bernie Sanders has a lot of Illegal campaign donations How are they illegal ? (Talking from ignorance) Some of Bernie's donators are: "Solar guy", "Rockstar", "Prophet at UNSELFISH", "Keyboard Specialist" (DMV), random strings of numbers, "Shrink", "Human Being", "IT Guy", "Figurehead", "POOR ASS STUDENT", "Bar Patron", "Web nerd", "Worker bee", Yale's locksmith, "OFFICE GAL", "REALTOR?", "Fulfillment", and "Seed Saver" There's also repeat donors of people hitting the cap but donating anyway, etc... non-names linked to random PO Box numbers, etc... All donating to Bernie to both circumvent the cap as well as fake "individual contributions" Those are what they put for their occupation isn't it? It obviously is something entirely different than what he's talking about other than that the whole fundraising system is terrible. He's not against money in politics whatsoever (no one is). Hes against the corrupting influence it has currently. What about these requests from the fec indicates however much was illegally donated was to gain corrupting influence? To be clear it's the perceived hypocrisy, not the using the rules to his advantage that made people think this was a story right? Its funny because hes running the most financially corrupt campaign in a long time, with over 10 million in illegal donations and a very expensive family vacation to Rome out of campaign funds. If he was ever going to win, these against the rules donations would be albatross around his neck. What is the plan for fixing this mess? As stated above, returning these excess and poorly sourced donations is hard.
There is a legal process for getting rid of illegal donated funds. Charities have to do the same thing when it happens. This is not the first time this has happened and won't be the last.
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Oh man Warren going in on Trump
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On May 12 2016 06:56 Jaaaaasper wrote:Show nested quote +On May 12 2016 06:53 Saryph wrote:On May 12 2016 06:50 Jaaaaasper wrote:On May 12 2016 06:39 GreenHorizons wrote:On May 12 2016 06:16 Naracs_Duc wrote:On May 12 2016 05:56 Godwrath wrote:On May 12 2016 05:04 Jaaaaasper wrote:Man for a guy who claims to want to take the corruption and money out of politics, Bernie Sanders has a lot of Illegal campaign donations How are they illegal ? (Talking from ignorance) Some of Bernie's donators are: "Solar guy", "Rockstar", "Prophet at UNSELFISH", "Keyboard Specialist" (DMV), random strings of numbers, "Shrink", "Human Being", "IT Guy", "Figurehead", "POOR ASS STUDENT", "Bar Patron", "Web nerd", "Worker bee", Yale's locksmith, "OFFICE GAL", "REALTOR?", "Fulfillment", and "Seed Saver" There's also repeat donors of people hitting the cap but donating anyway, etc... non-names linked to random PO Box numbers, etc... All donating to Bernie to both circumvent the cap as well as fake "individual contributions" Those are what they put for their occupation isn't it? It obviously is something entirely different than what he's talking about other than that the whole fundraising system is terrible. He's not against money in politics whatsoever (no one is). Hes against the corrupting influence it has currently. What about these requests from the fec indicates however much was illegally donated was to gain corrupting influence? To be clear it's the perceived hypocrisy, not the using the rules to his advantage that made people think this was a story right? Its funny because hes running the most financially corrupt campaign in a long time, with over 10 million in illegal donations and a very expensive family vacation to Rome out of campaign funds. If he receives donations that he cannot return, and cannot and does not use, is that really corruption? Or are most of the posters in this forum just blinded by their passion for Hillary? Classic Bernie supporter logic, he can't do anything wrong its just everyone is out to get their poor hero who can do no wrong. How come no other campaign has this problem? Clinton and Trump don't have it, neither did Obama. If everyone has that problem it would be one thing, but when its just Bernie, its something hes doing wrong, plain and simple
Guess we shouldn't be so hard on a senile old man who's never been able to manage money - makes over 150 a year, is like 100 years old and literally has sub 1M net worth
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On May 12 2016 06:56 Jaaaaasper wrote:Show nested quote +On May 12 2016 06:53 Saryph wrote:On May 12 2016 06:50 Jaaaaasper wrote:On May 12 2016 06:39 GreenHorizons wrote:On May 12 2016 06:16 Naracs_Duc wrote:On May 12 2016 05:56 Godwrath wrote:On May 12 2016 05:04 Jaaaaasper wrote:Man for a guy who claims to want to take the corruption and money out of politics, Bernie Sanders has a lot of Illegal campaign donations How are they illegal ? (Talking from ignorance) Some of Bernie's donators are: "Solar guy", "Rockstar", "Prophet at UNSELFISH", "Keyboard Specialist" (DMV), random strings of numbers, "Shrink", "Human Being", "IT Guy", "Figurehead", "POOR ASS STUDENT", "Bar Patron", "Web nerd", "Worker bee", Yale's locksmith, "OFFICE GAL", "REALTOR?", "Fulfillment", and "Seed Saver" There's also repeat donors of people hitting the cap but donating anyway, etc... non-names linked to random PO Box numbers, etc... All donating to Bernie to both circumvent the cap as well as fake "individual contributions" Those are what they put for their occupation isn't it? It obviously is something entirely different than what he's talking about other than that the whole fundraising system is terrible. He's not against money in politics whatsoever (no one is). Hes against the corrupting influence it has currently. What about these requests from the fec indicates however much was illegally donated was to gain corrupting influence? To be clear it's the perceived hypocrisy, not the using the rules to his advantage that made people think this was a story right? Its funny because hes running the most financially corrupt campaign in a long time, with over 10 million in illegal donations and a very expensive family vacation to Rome out of campaign funds. If he receives donations that he cannot return, and cannot and does not use, is that really corruption? Or are most of the posters in this forum just blinded by their passion for Hillary? Classic Bernie supporter logic, he can't do anything wrong its just everyone is out to get their poor hero who can do no wrong. How come no other campaign has this problem? Clinton and Trump don't have it, neither did Obama. If everyone has that problem it would be one thing, but when its just Bernie, its something hes doing wrong, plain and simple
I wouldn't even call myself a Bernie supporter, but if read your own post and the language you use in it, I hope you would be a little disgusted at yourself. And if you cannot agree that the Hillary circlejerk in this forum is real, I am not sure what to say. Concerning him compared to the other two candidates, I would have to say I haven't had a chance to compare his numbers to Hillary's and Trump's, but I would imagine Hillary's use of Super PACs would lessen the frequency of such things, and in all honesty, I would be interested in Trump's fundraising numbers: I know he has a lot of support, but I wonder how many of those people donate to political campaigns.
Edit: Look at the post above this one for example. Contributing nothing to the thread except for calling names, throwing mud, etc. And the sad thing is that is about a third of the posts in this thread.
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By the way does Act Blue have any transparency into the donors - I have a database of donors and the Act Blue money is my big block of opacity - it's all just labeled "Act blue"
am i just looking in the wrong places
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On May 12 2016 06:39 GreenHorizons wrote:Show nested quote +On May 12 2016 06:16 Naracs_Duc wrote:On May 12 2016 05:56 Godwrath wrote:On May 12 2016 05:04 Jaaaaasper wrote:Man for a guy who claims to want to take the corruption and money out of politics, Bernie Sanders has a lot of Illegal campaign donations How are they illegal ? (Talking from ignorance) Some of Bernie's donators are: "Solar guy", "Rockstar", "Prophet at UNSELFISH", "Keyboard Specialist" (DMV), random strings of numbers, "Shrink", "Human Being", "IT Guy", "Figurehead", "POOR ASS STUDENT", "Bar Patron", "Web nerd", "Worker bee", Yale's locksmith, "OFFICE GAL", "REALTOR?", "Fulfillment", and "Seed Saver" There's also repeat donors of people hitting the cap but donating anyway, etc... non-names linked to random PO Box numbers, etc... All donating to Bernie to both circumvent the cap as well as fake "individual contributions" Those are what they put for their occupation isn't it? It obviously is something entirely different than what he's talking about other than that the whole fundraising system is terrible. He's not against money in politics whatsoever (no one is). Hes against the corrupting influence it has currently. What about these requests from the fec indicates however much was illegally donated was to gain corrupting influence? To be clear it's the perceived hypocrisy, not the using the rules to his advantage that made people think this was a story right?
Not all of those are occupations. There's someone named ACTBLUE who only has a po box and no other info about them who donated about 10+ times on april alone. This is literal fraud, this is literal campaign fraud. Bernie is being asked to pay it back, he is refusing. People are spending over the limit, non-citizens are spending.
The rules do not allow what he is doing. Literally does not allow it.
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i dont think theres anything illegal about what act blue is doing - and there may very well be controls over how much one person can donate
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i just want a little more transparency from them
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On May 12 2016 07:03 Naracs_Duc wrote:Show nested quote +On May 12 2016 06:39 GreenHorizons wrote:On May 12 2016 06:16 Naracs_Duc wrote:On May 12 2016 05:56 Godwrath wrote:On May 12 2016 05:04 Jaaaaasper wrote:Man for a guy who claims to want to take the corruption and money out of politics, Bernie Sanders has a lot of Illegal campaign donations How are they illegal ? (Talking from ignorance) Some of Bernie's donators are: "Solar guy", "Rockstar", "Prophet at UNSELFISH", "Keyboard Specialist" (DMV), random strings of numbers, "Shrink", "Human Being", "IT Guy", "Figurehead", "POOR ASS STUDENT", "Bar Patron", "Web nerd", "Worker bee", Yale's locksmith, "OFFICE GAL", "REALTOR?", "Fulfillment", and "Seed Saver" There's also repeat donors of people hitting the cap but donating anyway, etc... non-names linked to random PO Box numbers, etc... All donating to Bernie to both circumvent the cap as well as fake "individual contributions" Those are what they put for their occupation isn't it? It obviously is something entirely different than what he's talking about other than that the whole fundraising system is terrible. He's not against money in politics whatsoever (no one is). Hes against the corrupting influence it has currently. What about these requests from the fec indicates however much was illegally donated was to gain corrupting influence? To be clear it's the perceived hypocrisy, not the using the rules to his advantage that made people think this was a story right? Not all of those are occupations. There's someone named ACTBLUE who only has a po box and no other info about them who donated about 10+ times on april alone. This is literal fraud, this is literal campaign fraud. Bernie is being asked to pay it back, he is refusing. People are spending over the limit, non-citizens are spending. The rules do not allow what he is doing. Literally does not allow it.
Please provide proof that he expressly states he is refusing to return the funds.
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On May 12 2016 07:01 Cam Connor wrote:
By the way does Act Blue have any transparency into the donors - I have a database of donors and the Act Blue money is my big block of opacity - it's all just labeled "Act blue"
am i just looking in the wrong places
https://beta.fec.gov/data/committee/C00401224/?tab=summary
one of the filings here maybe?
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if it's just provided in pdfs is frustratingly unqueriable
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On May 12 2016 06:44 Plansix wrote:Show nested quote +On May 12 2016 06:38 ticklishmusic wrote:On May 12 2016 06:17 Plansix wrote:
I was always under the impression that they all candidates dealt with that problem and just returned the funds. It is an open donation systems, they hold the money and just return the funds that can’t be used under law. The problem is that he's not actually making the refunds, this is like... the third RFAI from the FEC and the attached lists of donations is just getting longer and longer. A brief scan shows that many of the flagged donations from previous FEC notices are still there. Maybe the FEC actually gets tired of shit and takes legal action. There is a ton of money in his campaign accounts that he shouldn't have, so it's difficult to ascertain the actual financial position he's in. As long as he isn’t spending the money and is trying to return it, I don’t see it as a problem.
From what it looks like, he is spending the money, and the repeated information in the FEC reports show that he doesn't seem to be trying very hard to return a sizeable part of it. A possible guess could be that they plan to keep going like this until the end of the primary, then get into debt when returning the funds, and ask the DNC/Hillary to bail them out.
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On May 12 2016 07:01 Saryph wrote:Show nested quote +On May 12 2016 06:56 Jaaaaasper wrote:On May 12 2016 06:53 Saryph wrote:On May 12 2016 06:50 Jaaaaasper wrote:On May 12 2016 06:39 GreenHorizons wrote:On May 12 2016 06:16 Naracs_Duc wrote:On May 12 2016 05:56 Godwrath wrote:On May 12 2016 05:04 Jaaaaasper wrote:Man for a guy who claims to want to take the corruption and money out of politics, Bernie Sanders has a lot of Illegal campaign donations How are they illegal ? (Talking from ignorance) Some of Bernie's donators are: "Solar guy", "Rockstar", "Prophet at UNSELFISH", "Keyboard Specialist" (DMV), random strings of numbers, "Shrink", "Human Being", "IT Guy", "Figurehead", "POOR ASS STUDENT", "Bar Patron", "Web nerd", "Worker bee", Yale's locksmith, "OFFICE GAL", "REALTOR?", "Fulfillment", and "Seed Saver" There's also repeat donors of people hitting the cap but donating anyway, etc... non-names linked to random PO Box numbers, etc... All donating to Bernie to both circumvent the cap as well as fake "individual contributions" Those are what they put for their occupation isn't it? It obviously is something entirely different than what he's talking about other than that the whole fundraising system is terrible. He's not against money in politics whatsoever (no one is). Hes against the corrupting influence it has currently. What about these requests from the fec indicates however much was illegally donated was to gain corrupting influence? To be clear it's the perceived hypocrisy, not the using the rules to his advantage that made people think this was a story right? Its funny because hes running the most financially corrupt campaign in a long time, with over 10 million in illegal donations and a very expensive family vacation to Rome out of campaign funds. If he receives donations that he cannot return, and cannot and does not use, is that really corruption? Or are most of the posters in this forum just blinded by their passion for Hillary? Classic Bernie supporter logic, he can't do anything wrong its just everyone is out to get their poor hero who can do no wrong. How come no other campaign has this problem? Clinton and Trump don't have it, neither did Obama. If everyone has that problem it would be one thing, but when its just Bernie, its something hes doing wrong, plain and simple I wouldn't even call myself a Bernie supporter, but if read your own post and the language you use in it, I hope you would be a little disgusted at yourself. And if you cannot agree that the Hillary circlejerk in this forum is real, I am not sure what to say. Concerning him compared to the other two candidates, I would have to say I haven't had a chance to compare his numbers to Hillary's and Trump's, but I would imagine Hillary's use of Super PACs would lessen the frequency of such things, and in all honesty, I would be interested in Trump's fundraising numbers: I know he has a lot of support, but I wonder how many of those people donate to political campaigns. Edit: Look at the post above this one for example. Contributing nothing to the thread except for calling names, throwing mud, etc. And the sad thing is that is about a third of the posts in this thread.
I'm sorry, but reality has a Clinton bias, not this thread. No one has had this kind of donation fraud problem ever. Its not a conspiracy, Bernie is just running a dirty campaign.
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relax buddy
we're just trying to get the underlying data from act blue
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On May 12 2016 07:14 Cam Connor wrote:relax buddy we're just trying to get the underlying data from act blue
Maybe leave that to the professionals, since they likely know what they are doing. I hear the goverment has a whole office that does this job.
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