US Politics Mega-thread - Page 3737

On May 05 2016 03:26 Nyxisto wrote:


The economically unstable countries like Spain, Portugal or Greece pretty much have non of this stuff going on or have responded with a far-left vote. Denmark/Austria now also Germany and (the rapidly developing) Eastern European nations are, at the moment, the countries with the strongest reactionary responses, with similar figureheads like Trump making it into politics.

On May 05 2016 04:01 Karis Vas Ryaar wrote:
If it makes someone any better the Phillipines have their own version of Trump and he's actually leading in the election after saying he should have been the first to rape somebody.

On May 05 2016 04:08 CannonsNCarriers wrote:
What do Sandernistas think Sanders is going to do at the convention? There may be a vote, but he has and will have less delegates. Less delegates means you lose. This is why Cruz dropped out, because he realized that even with his delegate chicanery he couldn't possibly win a floor vote.

And losers don't get a say in the platform. Once you get voted down, you stay down.

On May 05 2016 04:12 GreenHorizons wrote:


That isn't how a convention works, especially not a Democratic convention.

On May 05 2016 04:14 Clonester wrote:


Independend run?

On May 05 2016 04:12 GreenHorizons wrote:


That isn't how a convention works, especially not a Democratic convention.

On May 05 2016 04:13 pmh wrote:
If Clinton thinks she can beat trump on her own she is delusional.
But I do believe that she truly thinks this,and many establishment democrats with her.
Despite having a huge anti establishment movement inside their own party they remain blind for the fact that people are fed up with politicians in general. Just saw a list of celebritys that do support trump,its an interesting list that shows that the trump movement is about more then just a few "angry rednecks".
It is interesting that the anti establishment sentiment comes up now, right after obama,s presidency.
When elected for the first time he was seen as an idealistic figure who could turn around Washington politics,for many people outside the usa Obama still is a role model and a beacon of hope,but I guess americans have become disappointed by the harsh reality.
Now the republicans can predict the message of change,while the democrats have the more conservative establishment candidate.
Its a bit the opposite of how it was for the past 2 decades,a very interesting shift.

On May 05 2016 04:18 CannonsNCarriers wrote:


If Sanders forces a floor fight, and then loses, there won't be any concessions. Any potential concessions would come long before then from Sanders graciously bowing out to allow the Democrats to gear up for the general. If he bitterly forces a fight to satisfy his ego and keep his delusional supporters sending checks, no way any actual Democrats give him a thing.

On May 05 2016 03:55 GreenHorizons wrote:


There was no question he would clinch really, just media propaganda pushing the possibility he wouldn't. It's long been obvious Trump was more likely to clinch than Clinton, the media however, had a very different narrative. One great example is that the Media has said the D race has been over since March yet it's the one going to the convention, while they've been feeding you all the narrative that Republicans we're probably not going to have a nominee before the convention.

If folks haven't picked up on the propaganda yet it's hard to believe they are really paying attention.

Donald Trump sewed up the GOP nomination Tuesday despite the clear dangers he poses to his party in November. Polls show him deeply vulnerable against Hillary Clinton, and he could cost Republicans the Senate and, according to some analyses, put their House majority in peril.

But the longer term threat Trump poses to the GOP is in some ways more vexing. After a Trump drubbing, the party could very well be in the exact same position it found itself in in 2008 and 2012, re-litigating a core question: Is the GOP losing because its candidates aren't conservative enough -- or because it's banking on a narrow, white constituency that is being eclipsed by a growing minority population?

"There was hope there would be some clarity in this election. My fear is that by nominating Trump we may not have that clarity," says Republican strategist Brian Walsh. "There were some Republicans who were saying when it was between Trump and Cruz that we would rather lose with Cruz, and at least put to rest this false narrative that we lost because the nominee wasn’t conservative enough."

In failing to stop Trump, the Republican Party may just exacerbate the civil war its been engaged in for most of the last decade.

"We might see a second autopsy only this time it might really be over a dead body," joked Norm Ornstein, a political commentator and resident scholar at the American Enterprise Institute. "You are going to see a real struggle for control over the Republican Party."

Now, especially with Sen. Ted Cruz (R-TX) officially out of the race, the argument from the right flank of the party will echo choruses coming from the likes of Erick Erickson and Rush Limbaugh in 2008 and 2012: If only Republicans had only nominated a true conservative, a consistent anti-abortion neocon with an impressive history of holding the conservative line on everything from immigration to government spending, the GOP could have won.

On May 05 2016 04:32 CannonsNCarriers wrote:
I am looking up contested Democratic party conventions. Not seeing any concessions in the 1968 or 1980 ones. Losers got the boot and rallied behind the winner.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1968_Democratic_National_Convention

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1980_Democratic_National_Convention

EDIT: Per above, all of Bernie's leverage comes from him being able to offer avoiding a contested convention. If he forces the vote and loses, all of that evaporates.

On May 05 2016 04:36 GreenHorizons wrote:


Just go back to 2008.

On May 05 2016 04:47 Introvert wrote:
People saying Trump wouldn't win the nom were doing so in spite of the data. It was a safe net when he announced, but when he wasn't gone before Iowa, it became clear he would be a contender.

Saying Trump will get blown out in Nov is in line with the data.

On May 05 2016 04:48 Jaaaaasper wrote:
Sanders fans making #dropouthillary trending lol. Shes winning, shes the favorite to win the national election, why do they think she should drop out? Bernie Bots do realize that all their doing is helping Trump and negating Sanders' chances to have a impact on the presidential platform right?

On May 05 2016 04:41 CannonsNCarriers wrote:


That is legitimately the worst example you could cite. Hillary conceded before the convention. Check out what she said and the grace with which she said it:

The way to continue our fight now, to accomplish the goals for which we stand is to take our energy, our passion, our strength, and do all we can to help elect Barack Obama, the next president of the United States.

Today, as I suspend my campaign, I congratulate him on the victory he has won and the extraordinary race he has run. I endorse him and throw my full support behind him.

And I ask all of you to join me in working as hard for Barack Obama as you have for me.

http://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2008/jun/07/hillaryclinton.uselections20081