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Plansix
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
United States60190 Posts
May 04 2016 18:14 GMT
#74681
On May 05 2016 03:12 Gorsameth wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 05 2016 03:07 Karis Vas Ryaar wrote:
On May 05 2016 03:06 GreenHorizons wrote:
On May 05 2016 01:40 Plansix wrote:
Most vetted president? We don't even have his tax returns.

And Hilary didn't barely hold off Sanders. The media played that race up to be a lot closer than it was, because no one watches if its not close.


Hillary is the only person who lost last night and didn't drop out

If they made the D race "look closer than it is" (which is total non-sense) what do you call what they did with the Republican race? Remember they've spent months talking about a Republican contested convention when it's the Democrats who are going to one.



how do you go to a contested convention with 2 candidates?

Your talking to GreenHorizons, who thinks that the Super delegates, who's purpose is to protect he establisment, will go against the establisment and overturn both the popular vote and the delegate lead to vote Bernie Sanders as the next democratic presidential candidate.
Oh and please ignore the fact that Hillary leads 520 to 39 in super delegate pledges.

aka GH is delusional.

Lets not even get into the fact that Hilary has been given 20% of her fund raising to the DNC, while Sanders has been keeping it. Since the Super Delegates vote for the good of the party as a whole, there is zero reason for them to support Sanders.
I have the Honor to be your Obedient Servant, P.6
TL+ Member
Mohdoo
Profile Joined August 2007
United States15743 Posts
May 04 2016 18:15 GMT
#74682
On May 05 2016 03:12 GreenHorizons wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 05 2016 03:07 Karis Vas Ryaar wrote:
On May 05 2016 03:06 GreenHorizons wrote:
On May 05 2016 01:40 Plansix wrote:
Most vetted president? We don't even have his tax returns.

And Hilary didn't barely hold off Sanders. The media played that race up to be a lot closer than it was, because no one watches if its not close.


Hillary is the only person who lost last night and didn't drop out

If they made the D race "look closer than it is" (which is total non-sense) what do you call what they did with the Republican race? Remember they've spent months talking about a Republican contested convention when it's the Democrats who are going to one.



how do you go to a contested convention with 2 candidates?


Neither candidate will have enough pledged delegates by the convention.

Show nested quote +
GH is delusional.


Pretty sure the same was said when I said Bernie wouldn't drop out early, guess we know who was right about that.


Why in the world do you keep saying this? She needs a majority of the delegates, that's it. You are making shit up. It feels like you're just bitter at this point and trying to be obnoxious.
zeo
Profile Joined October 2009
Serbia6343 Posts
May 04 2016 18:17 GMT
#74683
What if Clinton gets impeached during the GE?

“What the public criticizes in you, cultivate. It is you.” - Jean Cocteau
GreenHorizons
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
United States24404 Posts
May 04 2016 18:17 GMT
#74684
On May 05 2016 03:14 Plansix wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 05 2016 03:12 Gorsameth wrote:
On May 05 2016 03:07 Karis Vas Ryaar wrote:
On May 05 2016 03:06 GreenHorizons wrote:
On May 05 2016 01:40 Plansix wrote:
Most vetted president? We don't even have his tax returns.

And Hilary didn't barely hold off Sanders. The media played that race up to be a lot closer than it was, because no one watches if its not close.


Hillary is the only person who lost last night and didn't drop out

If they made the D race "look closer than it is" (which is total non-sense) what do you call what they did with the Republican race? Remember they've spent months talking about a Republican contested convention when it's the Democrats who are going to one.



how do you go to a contested convention with 2 candidates?

Your talking to GreenHorizons, who thinks that the Super delegates, who's purpose is to protect he establisment, will go against the establisment and overturn both the popular vote and the delegate lead to vote Bernie Sanders as the next democratic presidential candidate.
Oh and please ignore the fact that Hillary leads 520 to 39 in super delegate pledges.

aka GH is delusional.

Lets not even get into the fact that Hilary has been given 20% of her fund raising to the DNC, while Sanders has been keeping it. Since the Super Delegates vote for the good of the party as a whole, there is zero reason for them to support Sanders.


lol. "To the DNC". I can't take seriously people bragging about Hillary's "trickle down" fundraising.

20% to the DNC (for her general election campaign) then the other 79% went into her campaign. At least when Bernie raises money for other candidates they actually get to keep it, not pass it back clean like the state parties are for Hillary.
"People like to look at history and think 'If that was me back then, I would have...' We're living through history, and the truth is, whatever you are doing now is probably what you would have done then" "Scratch a Liberal..."
IgnE
Profile Joined November 2010
United States7684 Posts
May 04 2016 18:19 GMT
#74685
On May 05 2016 02:26 Nyxisto wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 05 2016 02:19 oneofthem wrote:
electorate is dumb enough to elect a populist. the most important short term issue is preserving the center against extremists purely on ground of not being entirely detached from reality. then the establishment should take seriously the economic drivers of discontent.


I really don't think that the drivers behind this discontent are economic in nature, just look at the same kind of populist movements in the economically stable European countries. The issues run much deeper and are more about increasingly nativist voterbases being fed up with the democratic parliamentary process as a whole.


what are you on about? the "economically stable" european countries? the euro crisis hasn't gone away. unemployment 10 or 20% in some countries. growth near zero throughout much of the eurozone. yeah pretty stable.

saying something like "the issues run much deeper" and then following it up with a bedrock of nativism mistakes effect for cause.
It is terrible to die of thirst at sea. Must you so salt your truth that it will no longer even slake thirst?
Plansix
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
United States60190 Posts
May 04 2016 18:20 GMT
#74686
Pretty sure only the sitting congress can impeach a president that is currently in office. No pre-emptive impeachments that would need to be carried out by the next congress. And logistics aside, that won’t happen.
I have the Honor to be your Obedient Servant, P.6
TL+ Member
Gorsameth
Profile Joined April 2010
Netherlands22667 Posts
May 04 2016 18:21 GMT
#74687
On May 05 2016 03:17 zeo wrote:
What if Clinton gets impeached during the GE?

You mean like Benghazi would destroy her career?
If any action was going to be taken on email-gate it would have happened weeks ago.

Just another utterly failed Republican witchhunt.

This isnt Russia.
It ignores such insignificant forces as time, entropy, and death
Lord Tolkien
Profile Joined November 2012
United States12084 Posts
Last Edited: 2016-05-04 18:23:34
May 04 2016 18:21 GMT
#74688
On May 05 2016 03:17 zeo wrote:
What if Clinton gets impeached during the GE?

No, just no.

Beyond that you can't "impeach" her, that's something exclusively for the President, but I've beaten to death that this is a fake scandal that won't get anywhere multiple times, in detail.

http://www.liquidlegends.net/forum/general/383301-us-politics-mega-thread?page=3692#73840

http://www.liquidlegends.net/forum/general/383301-us-politics-mega-thread?page=3692#73845

For the most recent responses.
"His father is pretty juicy tbh." ~WaveofShadow
Plansix
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
United States60190 Posts
May 04 2016 18:21 GMT
#74689
On May 05 2016 03:17 GreenHorizons wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 05 2016 03:14 Plansix wrote:
On May 05 2016 03:12 Gorsameth wrote:
On May 05 2016 03:07 Karis Vas Ryaar wrote:
On May 05 2016 03:06 GreenHorizons wrote:
On May 05 2016 01:40 Plansix wrote:
Most vetted president? We don't even have his tax returns.

And Hilary didn't barely hold off Sanders. The media played that race up to be a lot closer than it was, because no one watches if its not close.


Hillary is the only person who lost last night and didn't drop out

If they made the D race "look closer than it is" (which is total non-sense) what do you call what they did with the Republican race? Remember they've spent months talking about a Republican contested convention when it's the Democrats who are going to one.



how do you go to a contested convention with 2 candidates?

Your talking to GreenHorizons, who thinks that the Super delegates, who's purpose is to protect he establisment, will go against the establisment and overturn both the popular vote and the delegate lead to vote Bernie Sanders as the next democratic presidential candidate.
Oh and please ignore the fact that Hillary leads 520 to 39 in super delegate pledges.

aka GH is delusional.

Lets not even get into the fact that Hilary has been given 20% of her fund raising to the DNC, while Sanders has been keeping it. Since the Super Delegates vote for the good of the party as a whole, there is zero reason for them to support Sanders.


lol. "To the DNC". I can't take seriously people bragging about Hillary's "trickle down" fundraising.

20% to the DNC (for her general election campaign) then the other 79% went into her campaign. At least when Bernie raises money for other candidates they actually get to keep it, not pass it back clean like the state parties are for Hillary.

Seems like a pretty shit plan then and the pledged super delegates show it.
I have the Honor to be your Obedient Servant, P.6
TL+ Member
zeo
Profile Joined October 2009
Serbia6343 Posts
May 04 2016 18:22 GMT
#74690
On May 05 2016 03:21 Lord Tolkien wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 05 2016 03:17 zeo wrote:
What if Clinton gets impeached during the GE?

No, just no.

Beyond that you can't "impeach" her, that's something exclusively for the President, but I've beaten to death that this is a fake scandal that won't get anywhere multiple times, in detail.

http://www.liquidlegends.net/forum/general/383301-us-politics-mega-thread?page=3692#73840

For the most recent response.

Have you watched the video?
“What the public criticizes in you, cultivate. It is you.” - Jean Cocteau
Plansix
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
United States60190 Posts
May 04 2016 18:24 GMT
#74691
On May 05 2016 03:22 zeo wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 05 2016 03:21 Lord Tolkien wrote:
On May 05 2016 03:17 zeo wrote:
What if Clinton gets impeached during the GE?

No, just no.

Beyond that you can't "impeach" her, that's something exclusively for the President, but I've beaten to death that this is a fake scandal that won't get anywhere multiple times, in detail.

http://www.liquidlegends.net/forum/general/383301-us-politics-mega-thread?page=3692#73840

For the most recent response.

Have you watched the video?

Random youtube video by random youtube guy of questionable expertise? Can we counter with a youtube video from someone who supports Hilary and continued the back and forth until the sun goes super nova?
I have the Honor to be your Obedient Servant, P.6
TL+ Member
Nyxisto
Profile Joined August 2010
Germany6287 Posts
Last Edited: 2016-05-04 18:26:34
May 04 2016 18:26 GMT
#74692
On May 05 2016 03:19 IgnE wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 05 2016 02:26 Nyxisto wrote:
On May 05 2016 02:19 oneofthem wrote:
electorate is dumb enough to elect a populist. the most important short term issue is preserving the center against extremists purely on ground of not being entirely detached from reality. then the establishment should take seriously the economic drivers of discontent.


I really don't think that the drivers behind this discontent are economic in nature, just look at the same kind of populist movements in the economically stable European countries. The issues run much deeper and are more about increasingly nativist voterbases being fed up with the democratic parliamentary process as a whole.


what are you on about? the "economically stable" european countries? the euro crisis hasn't gone away. unemployment 10 or 20% in some countries. growth near zero throughout much of the eurozone. yeah pretty stable.

saying something like "the issues run much deeper" and then following it up with a bedrock of nativism mistakes effect for cause.


The economically unstable countries like Spain, Portugal or Greece pretty much have non of this stuff going on or have responded with a far-left vote. Denmark/Austria now also Germany and (the rapidly developing) Eastern European nations are, at the moment, the countries with the strongest reactionary responses, with similar figureheads like Trump making it into politics.
GreenHorizons
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
United States24404 Posts
Last Edited: 2016-05-04 18:28:42
May 04 2016 18:26 GMT
#74693
On May 05 2016 03:21 Plansix wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 05 2016 03:17 GreenHorizons wrote:
On May 05 2016 03:14 Plansix wrote:
On May 05 2016 03:12 Gorsameth wrote:
On May 05 2016 03:07 Karis Vas Ryaar wrote:
On May 05 2016 03:06 GreenHorizons wrote:
On May 05 2016 01:40 Plansix wrote:
Most vetted president? We don't even have his tax returns.

And Hilary didn't barely hold off Sanders. The media played that race up to be a lot closer than it was, because no one watches if its not close.


Hillary is the only person who lost last night and didn't drop out

If they made the D race "look closer than it is" (which is total non-sense) what do you call what they did with the Republican race? Remember they've spent months talking about a Republican contested convention when it's the Democrats who are going to one.



how do you go to a contested convention with 2 candidates?

Your talking to GreenHorizons, who thinks that the Super delegates, who's purpose is to protect he establisment, will go against the establisment and overturn both the popular vote and the delegate lead to vote Bernie Sanders as the next democratic presidential candidate.
Oh and please ignore the fact that Hillary leads 520 to 39 in super delegate pledges.

aka GH is delusional.

Lets not even get into the fact that Hilary has been given 20% of her fund raising to the DNC, while Sanders has been keeping it. Since the Super Delegates vote for the good of the party as a whole, there is zero reason for them to support Sanders.


lol. "To the DNC". I can't take seriously people bragging about Hillary's "trickle down" fundraising.

20% to the DNC (for her general election campaign) then the other 79% went into her campaign. At least when Bernie raises money for other candidates they actually get to keep it, not pass it back clean like the state parties are for Hillary.

Seems like a pretty shit plan then and the pledged super delegates show it.


Not sure if you're serious or you're pretending Hillary didn't threaten supers who didn't pledge to her?

Also with Kasich and Cruz out, Hillary is the only campaign exploiting citizens united and the only one coordinating directly with a superPAC.

Not sure who's going to be more surprised when Trump runs to the left of Clinton on a host of issues, Republicans or Hillary supporters.
"People like to look at history and think 'If that was me back then, I would have...' We're living through history, and the truth is, whatever you are doing now is probably what you would have done then" "Scratch a Liberal..."
Lord Tolkien
Profile Joined November 2012
United States12084 Posts
Last Edited: 2016-05-04 18:30:07
May 04 2016 18:27 GMT
#74694
On May 05 2016 03:22 zeo wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 05 2016 03:21 Lord Tolkien wrote:
On May 05 2016 03:17 zeo wrote:
What if Clinton gets impeached during the GE?

No, just no.

Beyond that you can't "impeach" her, that's something exclusively for the President, but I've beaten to death that this is a fake scandal that won't get anywhere multiple times, in detail.

http://www.liquidlegends.net/forum/general/383301-us-politics-mega-thread?page=3692#73840

For the most recent response.

Have you watched the video?


Why would I need to? Joe DiGenova has made his opinion on this topic clear multiple times, and I don't need to listen to his posturing at a outright partisan, conservative foundation that spends its time attacking Democratic politicians constantly with FoIA requests and lawsuits.

On May 05 2016 03:24 Plansix wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 05 2016 03:22 zeo wrote:
On May 05 2016 03:21 Lord Tolkien wrote:
On May 05 2016 03:17 zeo wrote:
What if Clinton gets impeached during the GE?

No, just no.

Beyond that you can't "impeach" her, that's something exclusively for the President, but I've beaten to death that this is a fake scandal that won't get anywhere multiple times, in detail.

http://www.liquidlegends.net/forum/general/383301-us-politics-mega-thread?page=3692#73840

For the most recent response.

Have you watched the video?

Random youtube video by random youtube guy of questionable expertise? Can we counter with a youtube video from someone who supports Hilary and continued the back and forth until the sun goes super nova?

The video is not random, but the speaker in question has highly questionable biases, and is speaking in front of a conservative foundation that spends its time launching FOIA requests and lawsuits at Democratic politicians. Just look up Judicial Watch.
"His father is pretty juicy tbh." ~WaveofShadow
Gorsameth
Profile Joined April 2010
Netherlands22667 Posts
May 04 2016 18:27 GMT
#74695
On May 05 2016 03:26 GreenHorizons wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 05 2016 03:21 Plansix wrote:
On May 05 2016 03:17 GreenHorizons wrote:
On May 05 2016 03:14 Plansix wrote:
On May 05 2016 03:12 Gorsameth wrote:
On May 05 2016 03:07 Karis Vas Ryaar wrote:
On May 05 2016 03:06 GreenHorizons wrote:
On May 05 2016 01:40 Plansix wrote:
Most vetted president? We don't even have his tax returns.

And Hilary didn't barely hold off Sanders. The media played that race up to be a lot closer than it was, because no one watches if its not close.


Hillary is the only person who lost last night and didn't drop out

If they made the D race "look closer than it is" (which is total non-sense) what do you call what they did with the Republican race? Remember they've spent months talking about a Republican contested convention when it's the Democrats who are going to one.



how do you go to a contested convention with 2 candidates?

Your talking to GreenHorizons, who thinks that the Super delegates, who's purpose is to protect he establisment, will go against the establisment and overturn both the popular vote and the delegate lead to vote Bernie Sanders as the next democratic presidential candidate.
Oh and please ignore the fact that Hillary leads 520 to 39 in super delegate pledges.

aka GH is delusional.

Lets not even get into the fact that Hilary has been given 20% of her fund raising to the DNC, while Sanders has been keeping it. Since the Super Delegates vote for the good of the party as a whole, there is zero reason for them to support Sanders.


lol. "To the DNC". I can't take seriously people bragging about Hillary's "trickle down" fundraising.

20% to the DNC (for her general election campaign) then the other 79% went into her campaign. At least when Bernie raises money for other candidates they actually get to keep it, not pass it back clean like the state parties are for Hillary.

Seems like a pretty shit plan then and the pledged super delegates show it.


Not sure if you're serious or you're pretending Hillary didn't threaten supers who didn't pledge to her?

Please, do surprise us all and provide evidence of that.

Don't worry if you can't. we all know its horseshit...
It ignores such insignificant forces as time, entropy, and death
farvacola
Profile Blog Joined January 2011
United States18869 Posts
May 04 2016 18:28 GMT
#74696
The notion that Hillary will have a difficult time beating Trump in the General is hilariously off-base. I already can't wait for November
"when the Dead Kennedys found out they had skinhead fans, they literally wrote a song titled 'Nazi Punks Fuck Off'"
oBlade
Profile Blog Joined December 2008
United States6613 Posts
May 04 2016 18:31 GMT
#74697
On May 05 2016 03:21 Lord Tolkien wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 05 2016 03:17 zeo wrote:
What if Clinton gets impeached during the GE?

No, just no.

Beyond that you can't "impeach" her, that's something exclusively for the President, but I've beaten to death that this is a fake scandal that won't get anywhere multiple times, in detail.

http://www.liquidlegends.net/forum/general/383301-us-politics-mega-thread?page=3692#73840

http://www.liquidlegends.net/forum/general/383301-us-politics-mega-thread?page=3692#73845

For the most recent responses.

You can impeach anyone who holds office, not just the president, but that excludes Hillary since all she's doing is campaigning right now.
"I read it. You know how to read, you ignorant fuck?" - Andy Dufresne
GreenHorizons
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
United States24404 Posts
May 04 2016 18:31 GMT
#74698
On May 05 2016 03:27 Gorsameth wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 05 2016 03:26 GreenHorizons wrote:
On May 05 2016 03:21 Plansix wrote:
On May 05 2016 03:17 GreenHorizons wrote:
On May 05 2016 03:14 Plansix wrote:
On May 05 2016 03:12 Gorsameth wrote:
On May 05 2016 03:07 Karis Vas Ryaar wrote:
On May 05 2016 03:06 GreenHorizons wrote:
On May 05 2016 01:40 Plansix wrote:
Most vetted president? We don't even have his tax returns.

And Hilary didn't barely hold off Sanders. The media played that race up to be a lot closer than it was, because no one watches if its not close.


Hillary is the only person who lost last night and didn't drop out

If they made the D race "look closer than it is" (which is total non-sense) what do you call what they did with the Republican race? Remember they've spent months talking about a Republican contested convention when it's the Democrats who are going to one.



how do you go to a contested convention with 2 candidates?

Your talking to GreenHorizons, who thinks that the Super delegates, who's purpose is to protect he establisment, will go against the establisment and overturn both the popular vote and the delegate lead to vote Bernie Sanders as the next democratic presidential candidate.
Oh and please ignore the fact that Hillary leads 520 to 39 in super delegate pledges.

aka GH is delusional.

Lets not even get into the fact that Hilary has been given 20% of her fund raising to the DNC, while Sanders has been keeping it. Since the Super Delegates vote for the good of the party as a whole, there is zero reason for them to support Sanders.


lol. "To the DNC". I can't take seriously people bragging about Hillary's "trickle down" fundraising.

20% to the DNC (for her general election campaign) then the other 79% went into her campaign. At least when Bernie raises money for other candidates they actually get to keep it, not pass it back clean like the state parties are for Hillary.

Seems like a pretty shit plan then and the pledged super delegates show it.


Not sure if you're serious or you're pretending Hillary didn't threaten supers who didn't pledge to her?

Please, do surprise us all and provide evidence of that.

Don't worry if you can't. we all know its horseshit...



This is the feigned naiveté I've been talking about. You're suggesting Hillary didn't give the impression that Democrats who didn't support her wouldn't get support back, that is just absurd.

We want to add that DWS wasn't in Hillary's camp from the start, while we're pretending we don't know what happens in politics?
"People like to look at history and think 'If that was me back then, I would have...' We're living through history, and the truth is, whatever you are doing now is probably what you would have done then" "Scratch a Liberal..."
Kipsate
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
Netherlands45349 Posts
Last Edited: 2016-05-04 18:34:41
May 04 2016 18:34 GMT
#74699
Lets say all of what you say is true for some kind of reason

then it means she still wins right, then Superdelegates are forced to vote for her over Sanders, in which case that is not the path Sanders can take to victory.
WriterXiao8~~
Plansix
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
United States60190 Posts
May 04 2016 18:35 GMT
#74700
On May 05 2016 03:31 GreenHorizons wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 05 2016 03:27 Gorsameth wrote:
On May 05 2016 03:26 GreenHorizons wrote:
On May 05 2016 03:21 Plansix wrote:
On May 05 2016 03:17 GreenHorizons wrote:
On May 05 2016 03:14 Plansix wrote:
On May 05 2016 03:12 Gorsameth wrote:
On May 05 2016 03:07 Karis Vas Ryaar wrote:
On May 05 2016 03:06 GreenHorizons wrote:
On May 05 2016 01:40 Plansix wrote:
Most vetted president? We don't even have his tax returns.

And Hilary didn't barely hold off Sanders. The media played that race up to be a lot closer than it was, because no one watches if its not close.


Hillary is the only person who lost last night and didn't drop out

If they made the D race "look closer than it is" (which is total non-sense) what do you call what they did with the Republican race? Remember they've spent months talking about a Republican contested convention when it's the Democrats who are going to one.



how do you go to a contested convention with 2 candidates?

Your talking to GreenHorizons, who thinks that the Super delegates, who's purpose is to protect he establisment, will go against the establisment and overturn both the popular vote and the delegate lead to vote Bernie Sanders as the next democratic presidential candidate.
Oh and please ignore the fact that Hillary leads 520 to 39 in super delegate pledges.

aka GH is delusional.

Lets not even get into the fact that Hilary has been given 20% of her fund raising to the DNC, while Sanders has been keeping it. Since the Super Delegates vote for the good of the party as a whole, there is zero reason for them to support Sanders.


lol. "To the DNC". I can't take seriously people bragging about Hillary's "trickle down" fundraising.

20% to the DNC (for her general election campaign) then the other 79% went into her campaign. At least when Bernie raises money for other candidates they actually get to keep it, not pass it back clean like the state parties are for Hillary.

Seems like a pretty shit plan then and the pledged super delegates show it.


Not sure if you're serious or you're pretending Hillary didn't threaten supers who didn't pledge to her?

Please, do surprise us all and provide evidence of that.

Don't worry if you can't. we all know its horseshit...



This is the feigned naiveté I've been talking about. You're suggesting Hillary didn't give the impression that Democrats who didn't support her wouldn't get support back, that is just absurd.

We want to add that DWS wasn't in Hillary's camp from the start, while we're pretending we don't know what happens in politics?

GH, only naïve person in this thread is you and your conspiracy theories about Clinton. You have nothing but your baseless claims and refusal to accept that Sanders lost.
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