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On May 05 2016 01:40 Plansix wrote: Most vetted president? We don't even have his tax returns.
And Hilary didn't barely hold off Sanders. The media played that race up to be a lot closer than it was, because no one watches if its not close.
Hillary is the only person who lost last night and didn't drop out
If they made the D race "look closer than it is" (which is total non-sense) what do you call what they did with the Republican race? Remember they've spent months talking about a Republican contested convention when it's the Democrats who are going to one.
how do you go to a contested convention with 2 candidates?
Your talking to GreenHorizons, who thinks that the Super delegates, who's purpose is to protect he establisment, will go against the establisment and overturn both the popular vote and the delegate lead to vote Bernie Sanders as the next democratic presidential candidate. Oh and please ignore the fact that Hillary leads 520 to 39 in super delegate pledges.
aka GH is delusional.
Lets not even get into the fact that Hilary has been given 20% of her fund raising to the DNC, while Sanders has been keeping it. Since the Super Delegates vote for the good of the party as a whole, there is zero reason for them to support Sanders.
On May 05 2016 01:40 Plansix wrote: Most vetted president? We don't even have his tax returns.
And Hilary didn't barely hold off Sanders. The media played that race up to be a lot closer than it was, because no one watches if its not close.
Hillary is the only person who lost last night and didn't drop out
If they made the D race "look closer than it is" (which is total non-sense) what do you call what they did with the Republican race? Remember they've spent months talking about a Republican contested convention when it's the Democrats who are going to one.
how do you go to a contested convention with 2 candidates?
Neither candidate will have enough pledged delegates by the convention.
Pretty sure the same was said when I said Bernie wouldn't drop out early, guess we know who was right about that.
Why in the world do you keep saying this? She needs a majority of the delegates, that's it. You are making shit up. It feels like you're just bitter at this point and trying to be obnoxious.
On May 05 2016 01:40 Plansix wrote: Most vetted president? We don't even have his tax returns.
And Hilary didn't barely hold off Sanders. The media played that race up to be a lot closer than it was, because no one watches if its not close.
Hillary is the only person who lost last night and didn't drop out
If they made the D race "look closer than it is" (which is total non-sense) what do you call what they did with the Republican race? Remember they've spent months talking about a Republican contested convention when it's the Democrats who are going to one.
how do you go to a contested convention with 2 candidates?
Your talking to GreenHorizons, who thinks that the Super delegates, who's purpose is to protect he establisment, will go against the establisment and overturn both the popular vote and the delegate lead to vote Bernie Sanders as the next democratic presidential candidate. Oh and please ignore the fact that Hillary leads 520 to 39 in super delegate pledges.
aka GH is delusional.
Lets not even get into the fact that Hilary has been given 20% of her fund raising to the DNC, while Sanders has been keeping it. Since the Super Delegates vote for the good of the party as a whole, there is zero reason for them to support Sanders.
lol. "To the DNC". I can't take seriously people bragging about Hillary's "trickle down" fundraising.
20% to the DNC (for her general election campaign) then the other 79% went into her campaign. At least when Bernie raises money for other candidates they actually get to keep it, not pass it back clean like the state parties are for Hillary.
On May 05 2016 02:19 oneofthem wrote: electorate is dumb enough to elect a populist. the most important short term issue is preserving the center against extremists purely on ground of not being entirely detached from reality. then the establishment should take seriously the economic drivers of discontent.
I really don't think that the drivers behind this discontent are economic in nature, just look at the same kind of populist movements in the economically stable European countries. The issues run much deeper and are more about increasingly nativist voterbases being fed up with the democratic parliamentary process as a whole.
what are you on about? the "economically stable" european countries? the euro crisis hasn't gone away. unemployment 10 or 20% in some countries. growth near zero throughout much of the eurozone. yeah pretty stable.
saying something like "the issues run much deeper" and then following it up with a bedrock of nativism mistakes effect for cause.
Pretty sure only the sitting congress can impeach a president that is currently in office. No pre-emptive impeachments that would need to be carried out by the next congress. And logistics aside, that won’t happen.
On May 05 2016 03:17 zeo wrote: What if Clinton gets impeached during the GE?
No, just no.
Beyond that you can't "impeach" her, that's something exclusively for the President, but I've beaten to death that this is a fake scandal that won't get anywhere multiple times, in detail.
On May 05 2016 01:40 Plansix wrote: Most vetted president? We don't even have his tax returns.
And Hilary didn't barely hold off Sanders. The media played that race up to be a lot closer than it was, because no one watches if its not close.
Hillary is the only person who lost last night and didn't drop out
If they made the D race "look closer than it is" (which is total non-sense) what do you call what they did with the Republican race? Remember they've spent months talking about a Republican contested convention when it's the Democrats who are going to one.
how do you go to a contested convention with 2 candidates?
Your talking to GreenHorizons, who thinks that the Super delegates, who's purpose is to protect he establisment, will go against the establisment and overturn both the popular vote and the delegate lead to vote Bernie Sanders as the next democratic presidential candidate. Oh and please ignore the fact that Hillary leads 520 to 39 in super delegate pledges.
aka GH is delusional.
Lets not even get into the fact that Hilary has been given 20% of her fund raising to the DNC, while Sanders has been keeping it. Since the Super Delegates vote for the good of the party as a whole, there is zero reason for them to support Sanders.
lol. "To the DNC". I can't take seriously people bragging about Hillary's "trickle down" fundraising.
20% to the DNC (for her general election campaign) then the other 79% went into her campaign. At least when Bernie raises money for other candidates they actually get to keep it, not pass it back clean like the state parties are for Hillary.
Seems like a pretty shit plan then and the pledged super delegates show it.
On May 05 2016 03:17 zeo wrote: What if Clinton gets impeached during the GE?
No, just no.
Beyond that you can't "impeach" her, that's something exclusively for the President, but I've beaten to death that this is a fake scandal that won't get anywhere multiple times, in detail.
On May 05 2016 03:17 zeo wrote: What if Clinton gets impeached during the GE?
No, just no.
Beyond that you can't "impeach" her, that's something exclusively for the President, but I've beaten to death that this is a fake scandal that won't get anywhere multiple times, in detail.
Random youtube video by random youtube guy of questionable expertise? Can we counter with a youtube video from someone who supports Hilary and continued the back and forth until the sun goes super nova?
On May 05 2016 02:19 oneofthem wrote: electorate is dumb enough to elect a populist. the most important short term issue is preserving the center against extremists purely on ground of not being entirely detached from reality. then the establishment should take seriously the economic drivers of discontent.
I really don't think that the drivers behind this discontent are economic in nature, just look at the same kind of populist movements in the economically stable European countries. The issues run much deeper and are more about increasingly nativist voterbases being fed up with the democratic parliamentary process as a whole.
what are you on about? the "economically stable" european countries? the euro crisis hasn't gone away. unemployment 10 or 20% in some countries. growth near zero throughout much of the eurozone. yeah pretty stable.
saying something like "the issues run much deeper" and then following it up with a bedrock of nativism mistakes effect for cause.
The economically unstable countries like Spain, Portugal or Greece pretty much have non of this stuff going on or have responded with a far-left vote. Denmark/Austria now also Germany and (the rapidly developing) Eastern European nations are, at the moment, the countries with the strongest reactionary responses, with similar figureheads like Trump making it into politics.
On May 05 2016 01:40 Plansix wrote: Most vetted president? We don't even have his tax returns.
And Hilary didn't barely hold off Sanders. The media played that race up to be a lot closer than it was, because no one watches if its not close.
Hillary is the only person who lost last night and didn't drop out
If they made the D race "look closer than it is" (which is total non-sense) what do you call what they did with the Republican race? Remember they've spent months talking about a Republican contested convention when it's the Democrats who are going to one.
how do you go to a contested convention with 2 candidates?
Your talking to GreenHorizons, who thinks that the Super delegates, who's purpose is to protect he establisment, will go against the establisment and overturn both the popular vote and the delegate lead to vote Bernie Sanders as the next democratic presidential candidate. Oh and please ignore the fact that Hillary leads 520 to 39 in super delegate pledges.
aka GH is delusional.
Lets not even get into the fact that Hilary has been given 20% of her fund raising to the DNC, while Sanders has been keeping it. Since the Super Delegates vote for the good of the party as a whole, there is zero reason for them to support Sanders.
lol. "To the DNC". I can't take seriously people bragging about Hillary's "trickle down" fundraising.
20% to the DNC (for her general election campaign) then the other 79% went into her campaign. At least when Bernie raises money for other candidates they actually get to keep it, not pass it back clean like the state parties are for Hillary.
Seems like a pretty shit plan then and the pledged super delegates show it.
Not sure if you're serious or you're pretending Hillary didn't threaten supers who didn't pledge to her?
Also with Kasich and Cruz out, Hillary is the only campaign exploiting citizens united and the only one coordinating directly with a superPAC.
Not sure who's going to be more surprised when Trump runs to the left of Clinton on a host of issues, Republicans or Hillary supporters.
On May 05 2016 03:17 zeo wrote: What if Clinton gets impeached during the GE?
No, just no.
Beyond that you can't "impeach" her, that's something exclusively for the President, but I've beaten to death that this is a fake scandal that won't get anywhere multiple times, in detail.
Why would I need to? Joe DiGenova has made his opinion on this topic clear multiple times, and I don't need to listen to his posturing at a outright partisan, conservative foundation that spends its time attacking Democratic politicians constantly with FoIA requests and lawsuits.
On May 05 2016 03:17 zeo wrote: What if Clinton gets impeached during the GE?
No, just no.
Beyond that you can't "impeach" her, that's something exclusively for the President, but I've beaten to death that this is a fake scandal that won't get anywhere multiple times, in detail.
Random youtube video by random youtube guy of questionable expertise? Can we counter with a youtube video from someone who supports Hilary and continued the back and forth until the sun goes super nova?
The video is not random, but the speaker in question has highly questionable biases, and is speaking in front of a conservative foundation that spends its time launching FOIA requests and lawsuits at Democratic politicians. Just look up Judicial Watch.
On May 05 2016 01:40 Plansix wrote: Most vetted president? We don't even have his tax returns.
And Hilary didn't barely hold off Sanders. The media played that race up to be a lot closer than it was, because no one watches if its not close.
Hillary is the only person who lost last night and didn't drop out
If they made the D race "look closer than it is" (which is total non-sense) what do you call what they did with the Republican race? Remember they've spent months talking about a Republican contested convention when it's the Democrats who are going to one.
how do you go to a contested convention with 2 candidates?
Your talking to GreenHorizons, who thinks that the Super delegates, who's purpose is to protect he establisment, will go against the establisment and overturn both the popular vote and the delegate lead to vote Bernie Sanders as the next democratic presidential candidate. Oh and please ignore the fact that Hillary leads 520 to 39 in super delegate pledges.
aka GH is delusional.
Lets not even get into the fact that Hilary has been given 20% of her fund raising to the DNC, while Sanders has been keeping it. Since the Super Delegates vote for the good of the party as a whole, there is zero reason for them to support Sanders.
lol. "To the DNC". I can't take seriously people bragging about Hillary's "trickle down" fundraising.
20% to the DNC (for her general election campaign) then the other 79% went into her campaign. At least when Bernie raises money for other candidates they actually get to keep it, not pass it back clean like the state parties are for Hillary.
Seems like a pretty shit plan then and the pledged super delegates show it.
Not sure if you're serious or you're pretending Hillary didn't threaten supers who didn't pledge to her?
Please, do surprise us all and provide evidence of that.
Don't worry if you can't. we all know its horseshit...
On May 05 2016 03:17 zeo wrote: What if Clinton gets impeached during the GE?
No, just no.
Beyond that you can't "impeach" her, that's something exclusively for the President, but I've beaten to death that this is a fake scandal that won't get anywhere multiple times, in detail.
On May 05 2016 01:40 Plansix wrote: Most vetted president? We don't even have his tax returns.
And Hilary didn't barely hold off Sanders. The media played that race up to be a lot closer than it was, because no one watches if its not close.
Hillary is the only person who lost last night and didn't drop out
If they made the D race "look closer than it is" (which is total non-sense) what do you call what they did with the Republican race? Remember they've spent months talking about a Republican contested convention when it's the Democrats who are going to one.
how do you go to a contested convention with 2 candidates?
Your talking to GreenHorizons, who thinks that the Super delegates, who's purpose is to protect he establisment, will go against the establisment and overturn both the popular vote and the delegate lead to vote Bernie Sanders as the next democratic presidential candidate. Oh and please ignore the fact that Hillary leads 520 to 39 in super delegate pledges.
aka GH is delusional.
Lets not even get into the fact that Hilary has been given 20% of her fund raising to the DNC, while Sanders has been keeping it. Since the Super Delegates vote for the good of the party as a whole, there is zero reason for them to support Sanders.
lol. "To the DNC". I can't take seriously people bragging about Hillary's "trickle down" fundraising.
20% to the DNC (for her general election campaign) then the other 79% went into her campaign. At least when Bernie raises money for other candidates they actually get to keep it, not pass it back clean like the state parties are for Hillary.
Seems like a pretty shit plan then and the pledged super delegates show it.
Not sure if you're serious or you're pretending Hillary didn't threaten supers who didn't pledge to her?
Please, do surprise us all and provide evidence of that.
Don't worry if you can't. we all know its horseshit...
This is the feigned naiveté I've been talking about. You're suggesting Hillary didn't give the impression that Democrats who didn't support her wouldn't get support back, that is just absurd.
We want to add that DWS wasn't in Hillary's camp from the start, while we're pretending we don't know what happens in politics?
Lets say all of what you say is true for some kind of reason
then it means she still wins right, then Superdelegates are forced to vote for her over Sanders, in which case that is not the path Sanders can take to victory.
On May 05 2016 01:40 Plansix wrote: Most vetted president? We don't even have his tax returns.
And Hilary didn't barely hold off Sanders. The media played that race up to be a lot closer than it was, because no one watches if its not close.
Hillary is the only person who lost last night and didn't drop out
If they made the D race "look closer than it is" (which is total non-sense) what do you call what they did with the Republican race? Remember they've spent months talking about a Republican contested convention when it's the Democrats who are going to one.
how do you go to a contested convention with 2 candidates?
Your talking to GreenHorizons, who thinks that the Super delegates, who's purpose is to protect he establisment, will go against the establisment and overturn both the popular vote and the delegate lead to vote Bernie Sanders as the next democratic presidential candidate. Oh and please ignore the fact that Hillary leads 520 to 39 in super delegate pledges.
aka GH is delusional.
Lets not even get into the fact that Hilary has been given 20% of her fund raising to the DNC, while Sanders has been keeping it. Since the Super Delegates vote for the good of the party as a whole, there is zero reason for them to support Sanders.
lol. "To the DNC". I can't take seriously people bragging about Hillary's "trickle down" fundraising.
20% to the DNC (for her general election campaign) then the other 79% went into her campaign. At least when Bernie raises money for other candidates they actually get to keep it, not pass it back clean like the state parties are for Hillary.
Seems like a pretty shit plan then and the pledged super delegates show it.
Not sure if you're serious or you're pretending Hillary didn't threaten supers who didn't pledge to her?
Please, do surprise us all and provide evidence of that.
Don't worry if you can't. we all know its horseshit...
This is the feigned naiveté I've been talking about. You're suggesting Hillary didn't give the impression that Democrats who didn't support her wouldn't get support back, that is just absurd.
We want to add that DWS wasn't in Hillary's camp from the start, while we're pretending we don't know what happens in politics?
GH, only naïve person in this thread is you and your conspiracy theories about Clinton. You have nothing but your baseless claims and refusal to accept that Sanders lost.
EPT
