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zeo
Profile Joined October 2009
Serbia6336 Posts
Last Edited: 2016-05-04 18:37:02
May 04 2016 18:35 GMT
#74701
On May 05 2016 03:28 farvacola wrote:
The notion that Hillary will have a difficult time beating Trump in the General is hilariously off-base. I already can't wait for November

Can someone with TL+ check what farvacola said about Trump's chances in the primaries around November/December?
"No amount of evidence will ever persuade an idiot." - Mark Twain
Mohdoo
Profile Joined August 2007
United States15742 Posts
May 04 2016 18:36 GMT
#74702
On May 05 2016 03:31 GreenHorizons wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 05 2016 03:27 Gorsameth wrote:
On May 05 2016 03:26 GreenHorizons wrote:
On May 05 2016 03:21 Plansix wrote:
On May 05 2016 03:17 GreenHorizons wrote:
On May 05 2016 03:14 Plansix wrote:
On May 05 2016 03:12 Gorsameth wrote:
On May 05 2016 03:07 Karis Vas Ryaar wrote:
On May 05 2016 03:06 GreenHorizons wrote:
On May 05 2016 01:40 Plansix wrote:
Most vetted president? We don't even have his tax returns.

And Hilary didn't barely hold off Sanders. The media played that race up to be a lot closer than it was, because no one watches if its not close.


Hillary is the only person who lost last night and didn't drop out

If they made the D race "look closer than it is" (which is total non-sense) what do you call what they did with the Republican race? Remember they've spent months talking about a Republican contested convention when it's the Democrats who are going to one.



how do you go to a contested convention with 2 candidates?

Your talking to GreenHorizons, who thinks that the Super delegates, who's purpose is to protect he establisment, will go against the establisment and overturn both the popular vote and the delegate lead to vote Bernie Sanders as the next democratic presidential candidate.
Oh and please ignore the fact that Hillary leads 520 to 39 in super delegate pledges.

aka GH is delusional.

Lets not even get into the fact that Hilary has been given 20% of her fund raising to the DNC, while Sanders has been keeping it. Since the Super Delegates vote for the good of the party as a whole, there is zero reason for them to support Sanders.


lol. "To the DNC". I can't take seriously people bragging about Hillary's "trickle down" fundraising.

20% to the DNC (for her general election campaign) then the other 79% went into her campaign. At least when Bernie raises money for other candidates they actually get to keep it, not pass it back clean like the state parties are for Hillary.

Seems like a pretty shit plan then and the pledged super delegates show it.


Not sure if you're serious or you're pretending Hillary didn't threaten supers who didn't pledge to her?

Please, do surprise us all and provide evidence of that.

Don't worry if you can't. we all know its horseshit...



This is the feigned naiveté I've been talking about. You're suggesting Hillary didn't give the impression that Democrats who didn't support her wouldn't get support back, that is just absurd.

We want to add that DWS wasn't in Hillary's camp from the start, while we're pretending we don't know what happens in politics?


What incentive do we have to take anything you say seriously at this point? Tally up the ridiculous stuff you've said over the past 6 months. How many delegates did you think Sanders would be up right now? Now consider you are saying something without a shred of proof. What incentive do we have to even consider what you're saying?
GreenHorizons
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
United States23799 Posts
Last Edited: 2016-05-04 18:41:53
May 04 2016 18:38 GMT
#74703
On May 05 2016 03:35 Plansix wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 05 2016 03:31 GreenHorizons wrote:
On May 05 2016 03:27 Gorsameth wrote:
On May 05 2016 03:26 GreenHorizons wrote:
On May 05 2016 03:21 Plansix wrote:
On May 05 2016 03:17 GreenHorizons wrote:
On May 05 2016 03:14 Plansix wrote:
On May 05 2016 03:12 Gorsameth wrote:
On May 05 2016 03:07 Karis Vas Ryaar wrote:
On May 05 2016 03:06 GreenHorizons wrote:
[quote]

Hillary is the only person who lost last night and didn't drop out

If they made the D race "look closer than it is" (which is total non-sense) what do you call what they did with the Republican race? Remember they've spent months talking about a Republican contested convention when it's the Democrats who are going to one.



how do you go to a contested convention with 2 candidates?

Your talking to GreenHorizons, who thinks that the Super delegates, who's purpose is to protect he establisment, will go against the establisment and overturn both the popular vote and the delegate lead to vote Bernie Sanders as the next democratic presidential candidate.
Oh and please ignore the fact that Hillary leads 520 to 39 in super delegate pledges.

aka GH is delusional.

Lets not even get into the fact that Hilary has been given 20% of her fund raising to the DNC, while Sanders has been keeping it. Since the Super Delegates vote for the good of the party as a whole, there is zero reason for them to support Sanders.


lol. "To the DNC". I can't take seriously people bragging about Hillary's "trickle down" fundraising.

20% to the DNC (for her general election campaign) then the other 79% went into her campaign. At least when Bernie raises money for other candidates they actually get to keep it, not pass it back clean like the state parties are for Hillary.

Seems like a pretty shit plan then and the pledged super delegates show it.


Not sure if you're serious or you're pretending Hillary didn't threaten supers who didn't pledge to her?

Please, do surprise us all and provide evidence of that.

Don't worry if you can't. we all know its horseshit...



This is the feigned naiveté I've been talking about. You're suggesting Hillary didn't give the impression that Democrats who didn't support her wouldn't get support back, that is just absurd.

We want to add that DWS wasn't in Hillary's camp from the start, while we're pretending we don't know what happens in politics?

GH, only naïve person in this thread is you and your conspiracy theories about Clinton. You have nothing but your baseless claims and refusal to accept that Sanders lost.


Yeah me and Politico with our wild conspiracy theories. I'm trying to help prevent Democrats from walking into a bloodbath they seem blind to but you all are stubborn as hell to even admit that if a Republican were doing what Hillary is with campaign finance, Democrats would be screaming from the rafters, but their blind loyalty has them defending it.

On May 05 2016 03:35 zeo wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 05 2016 03:28 farvacola wrote:
The notion that Hillary will have a difficult time beating Trump in the General is hilariously off-base. I already can't wait for November

Can someone with TL+ check what farvacola said about Trump's chances in the primaries around November/December?


Pretty sure xDaunt and I were the first ones to say Trump would win the Republican primary. Everyone else (I think) was still speculating he wouldn't get it just a month or so ago.

Watch as the same folks ignore us again on Trump's chances in the general.
"People like to look at history and think 'If that was me back then, I would have...' We're living through history, and the truth is, whatever you are doing now is probably what you would have done then" "Scratch a Liberal..."
Lord Tolkien
Profile Joined November 2012
United States12083 Posts
May 04 2016 18:41 GMT
#74704
On May 05 2016 03:31 oBlade wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 05 2016 03:21 Lord Tolkien wrote:
On May 05 2016 03:17 zeo wrote:
What if Clinton gets impeached during the GE?

No, just no.

Beyond that you can't "impeach" her, that's something exclusively for the President, but I've beaten to death that this is a fake scandal that won't get anywhere multiple times, in detail.

http://www.liquidlegends.net/forum/general/383301-us-politics-mega-thread?page=3692#73840

http://www.liquidlegends.net/forum/general/383301-us-politics-mega-thread?page=3692#73845

For the most recent responses.

You can impeach anyone who holds office, not just the president, but that excludes Hillary since all she's doing is campaigning right now.

You are correct. Brainfart, but mostly my point is that using the term impeach in regards to Hillary Clinton is completely inaccurate.
"His father is pretty juicy tbh." ~WaveofShadow
Plansix
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
United States60190 Posts
May 04 2016 18:45 GMT
#74705
On May 05 2016 03:38 GreenHorizons wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 05 2016 03:35 Plansix wrote:
On May 05 2016 03:31 GreenHorizons wrote:
On May 05 2016 03:27 Gorsameth wrote:
On May 05 2016 03:26 GreenHorizons wrote:
On May 05 2016 03:21 Plansix wrote:
On May 05 2016 03:17 GreenHorizons wrote:
On May 05 2016 03:14 Plansix wrote:
On May 05 2016 03:12 Gorsameth wrote:
On May 05 2016 03:07 Karis Vas Ryaar wrote:
[quote]

how do you go to a contested convention with 2 candidates?

Your talking to GreenHorizons, who thinks that the Super delegates, who's purpose is to protect he establisment, will go against the establisment and overturn both the popular vote and the delegate lead to vote Bernie Sanders as the next democratic presidential candidate.
Oh and please ignore the fact that Hillary leads 520 to 39 in super delegate pledges.

aka GH is delusional.

Lets not even get into the fact that Hilary has been given 20% of her fund raising to the DNC, while Sanders has been keeping it. Since the Super Delegates vote for the good of the party as a whole, there is zero reason for them to support Sanders.


lol. "To the DNC". I can't take seriously people bragging about Hillary's "trickle down" fundraising.

20% to the DNC (for her general election campaign) then the other 79% went into her campaign. At least when Bernie raises money for other candidates they actually get to keep it, not pass it back clean like the state parties are for Hillary.

Seems like a pretty shit plan then and the pledged super delegates show it.


Not sure if you're serious or you're pretending Hillary didn't threaten supers who didn't pledge to her?

Please, do surprise us all and provide evidence of that.

Don't worry if you can't. we all know its horseshit...



This is the feigned naiveté I've been talking about. You're suggesting Hillary didn't give the impression that Democrats who didn't support her wouldn't get support back, that is just absurd.

We want to add that DWS wasn't in Hillary's camp from the start, while we're pretending we don't know what happens in politics?

GH, only naïve person in this thread is you and your conspiracy theories about Clinton. You have nothing but your baseless claims and refusal to accept that Sanders lost.


Yeah me and Politico with our wild conspiracy theories. I'm trying to help prevent Democrats from walking into a bloodbath they seem blind to but you all are stubborn as hell to even admit that if a Republican were doing what Hillary is with campaign finance, Democrats would be screaming from the rafters, but their blind loyalty has them defending it.

The Politico article did not how any wrong doing, only that the DNC was holding on to the money raised by Clinton. Since all of the races start after the convention, its not this mind blowing thing that the DNC is waiting until after to release it.

Also the article didn’t say that the DNC wasn’t helping, only that the money specifically raised by Clinton was being held.

And bro, I'm not a democrat. Never have been.
I have the Honor to be your Obedient Servant, P.6
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Sermokala
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
United States14104 Posts
May 04 2016 18:48 GMT
#74706
On May 05 2016 03:35 zeo wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 05 2016 03:28 farvacola wrote:
The notion that Hillary will have a difficult time beating Trump in the General is hilariously off-base. I already can't wait for November

Can someone with TL+ check what farvacola said about Trump's chances in the primaries around November/December?

To be fair I think most peoples doubt of trumps chances had a large influence of hope behind him not having a chance.
A wise man will say that he knows nothing. We're gona party like its 2752 Hail Dark Brandon
GreenHorizons
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
United States23799 Posts
Last Edited: 2016-05-04 18:50:53
May 04 2016 18:49 GMT
#74707
On May 05 2016 03:45 Plansix wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 05 2016 03:38 GreenHorizons wrote:
On May 05 2016 03:35 Plansix wrote:
On May 05 2016 03:31 GreenHorizons wrote:
On May 05 2016 03:27 Gorsameth wrote:
On May 05 2016 03:26 GreenHorizons wrote:
On May 05 2016 03:21 Plansix wrote:
On May 05 2016 03:17 GreenHorizons wrote:
On May 05 2016 03:14 Plansix wrote:
On May 05 2016 03:12 Gorsameth wrote:
[quote]
Your talking to GreenHorizons, who thinks that the Super delegates, who's purpose is to protect he establisment, will go against the establisment and overturn both the popular vote and the delegate lead to vote Bernie Sanders as the next democratic presidential candidate.
Oh and please ignore the fact that Hillary leads 520 to 39 in super delegate pledges.

aka GH is delusional.

Lets not even get into the fact that Hilary has been given 20% of her fund raising to the DNC, while Sanders has been keeping it. Since the Super Delegates vote for the good of the party as a whole, there is zero reason for them to support Sanders.


lol. "To the DNC". I can't take seriously people bragging about Hillary's "trickle down" fundraising.

20% to the DNC (for her general election campaign) then the other 79% went into her campaign. At least when Bernie raises money for other candidates they actually get to keep it, not pass it back clean like the state parties are for Hillary.

Seems like a pretty shit plan then and the pledged super delegates show it.


Not sure if you're serious or you're pretending Hillary didn't threaten supers who didn't pledge to her?

Please, do surprise us all and provide evidence of that.

Don't worry if you can't. we all know its horseshit...



This is the feigned naiveté I've been talking about. You're suggesting Hillary didn't give the impression that Democrats who didn't support her wouldn't get support back, that is just absurd.

We want to add that DWS wasn't in Hillary's camp from the start, while we're pretending we don't know what happens in politics?

GH, only naïve person in this thread is you and your conspiracy theories about Clinton. You have nothing but your baseless claims and refusal to accept that Sanders lost.


Yeah me and Politico with our wild conspiracy theories. I'm trying to help prevent Democrats from walking into a bloodbath they seem blind to but you all are stubborn as hell to even admit that if a Republican were doing what Hillary is with campaign finance, Democrats would be screaming from the rafters, but their blind loyalty has them defending it.

The Politico article did not how any wrong doing, only that the DNC was holding on to the money raised by Clinton. Since all of the races start after the convention, its not this mind blowing thing that the DNC is waiting until after to release it.

Also the article didn’t say that the DNC wasn’t helping, only that the money specifically raised by Clinton was being held.

And bro, I'm not a democrat. Never have been.


No one is saying it's criminal (at least proven, even though it clearly looks that way), just unethical to brag about giving state parties money when it got transferred back to her campaign the next day, among the other problems with her fundraising. Like I said we're all against citizens united, but only some of us support the only candidate exploiting it. Call yourself what you'd like but people can't just wave away the hypocrisy of being against CU while supporting the only candidate exploiting it.
"People like to look at history and think 'If that was me back then, I would have...' We're living through history, and the truth is, whatever you are doing now is probably what you would have done then" "Scratch a Liberal..."
Sermokala
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
United States14104 Posts
May 04 2016 18:49 GMT
#74708
On May 05 2016 03:45 Plansix wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 05 2016 03:38 GreenHorizons wrote:
On May 05 2016 03:35 Plansix wrote:
On May 05 2016 03:31 GreenHorizons wrote:
On May 05 2016 03:27 Gorsameth wrote:
On May 05 2016 03:26 GreenHorizons wrote:
On May 05 2016 03:21 Plansix wrote:
On May 05 2016 03:17 GreenHorizons wrote:
On May 05 2016 03:14 Plansix wrote:
On May 05 2016 03:12 Gorsameth wrote:
[quote]
Your talking to GreenHorizons, who thinks that the Super delegates, who's purpose is to protect he establisment, will go against the establisment and overturn both the popular vote and the delegate lead to vote Bernie Sanders as the next democratic presidential candidate.
Oh and please ignore the fact that Hillary leads 520 to 39 in super delegate pledges.

aka GH is delusional.

Lets not even get into the fact that Hilary has been given 20% of her fund raising to the DNC, while Sanders has been keeping it. Since the Super Delegates vote for the good of the party as a whole, there is zero reason for them to support Sanders.


lol. "To the DNC". I can't take seriously people bragging about Hillary's "trickle down" fundraising.

20% to the DNC (for her general election campaign) then the other 79% went into her campaign. At least when Bernie raises money for other candidates they actually get to keep it, not pass it back clean like the state parties are for Hillary.

Seems like a pretty shit plan then and the pledged super delegates show it.


Not sure if you're serious or you're pretending Hillary didn't threaten supers who didn't pledge to her?

Please, do surprise us all and provide evidence of that.

Don't worry if you can't. we all know its horseshit...



This is the feigned naiveté I've been talking about. You're suggesting Hillary didn't give the impression that Democrats who didn't support her wouldn't get support back, that is just absurd.

We want to add that DWS wasn't in Hillary's camp from the start, while we're pretending we don't know what happens in politics?

GH, only naïve person in this thread is you and your conspiracy theories about Clinton. You have nothing but your baseless claims and refusal to accept that Sanders lost.


Yeah me and Politico with our wild conspiracy theories. I'm trying to help prevent Democrats from walking into a bloodbath they seem blind to but you all are stubborn as hell to even admit that if a Republican were doing what Hillary is with campaign finance, Democrats would be screaming from the rafters, but their blind loyalty has them defending it.

The Politico article did not how any wrong doing, only that the DNC was holding on to the money raised by Clinton. Since all of the races start after the convention, its not this mind blowing thing that the DNC is waiting until after to release it.

Also the article didn’t say that the DNC wasn’t helping, only that the money specifically raised by Clinton was being held.

And bro, I'm not a democrat. Never have been.

You're obviously left leaning and therefore a democrat. Either that or you don't get a voice in US politics.
A wise man will say that he knows nothing. We're gona party like its 2752 Hail Dark Brandon
{CC}StealthBlue
Profile Blog Joined January 2003
United States41117 Posts
May 04 2016 18:50 GMT
#74709
WASHINGTON — Hopes of stopping Donald Trump short of the Republican nomination ahead of this summer’s convention came to a crashing end Tuesday night after Sen. Ted Cruz of Texas dropped out of the race following his loss in Indiana.

What hope remains is being channeled into a Plan C: Have another Republican run for office in addition to Trump.

Around Washington, chatter about the possibility of an independent run by a traditional conservative is becoming louder. It is fueled in part by the business end of the political cycle: Campaign consultants eagerly await — and financially plan for — the quadrennial, billion-dollar payday that is a presidential election.

Rest assured, the Donald Trump campaign will offer no shortage of opportunities for grifters. But if you’ve been a charter member of the Washington establishment, your calls probably aren’t getting returned as quickly as you might like, especially if you’ve spent the past half-year typing the #NeverTrump hashtag into your Twitter feed.

But there are also political reasons to run an independent candidate. A traditional conservative on the ballot who could peel a few points away from Trump would virtually assure Hillary Clinton of victory — giving business-minded conservatives who prefer Clinton a way to support her without having to support her directly. As importantly, a third-party conservative candidate could potentially draw in Republican voters disaffected by having Trump on top of the ticket, thereby giving a much-needed boost to down-ballot candidates.


Source
"Smokey, this is not 'Nam, this is bowling. There are rules."
Gorsameth
Profile Joined April 2010
Netherlands22190 Posts
May 04 2016 18:50 GMT
#74710
On May 05 2016 03:38 GreenHorizons wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 05 2016 03:35 Plansix wrote:
On May 05 2016 03:31 GreenHorizons wrote:
On May 05 2016 03:27 Gorsameth wrote:
On May 05 2016 03:26 GreenHorizons wrote:
On May 05 2016 03:21 Plansix wrote:
On May 05 2016 03:17 GreenHorizons wrote:
On May 05 2016 03:14 Plansix wrote:
On May 05 2016 03:12 Gorsameth wrote:
On May 05 2016 03:07 Karis Vas Ryaar wrote:
[quote]

how do you go to a contested convention with 2 candidates?

Your talking to GreenHorizons, who thinks that the Super delegates, who's purpose is to protect he establisment, will go against the establisment and overturn both the popular vote and the delegate lead to vote Bernie Sanders as the next democratic presidential candidate.
Oh and please ignore the fact that Hillary leads 520 to 39 in super delegate pledges.

aka GH is delusional.

Lets not even get into the fact that Hilary has been given 20% of her fund raising to the DNC, while Sanders has been keeping it. Since the Super Delegates vote for the good of the party as a whole, there is zero reason for them to support Sanders.


lol. "To the DNC". I can't take seriously people bragging about Hillary's "trickle down" fundraising.

20% to the DNC (for her general election campaign) then the other 79% went into her campaign. At least when Bernie raises money for other candidates they actually get to keep it, not pass it back clean like the state parties are for Hillary.

Seems like a pretty shit plan then and the pledged super delegates show it.


Not sure if you're serious or you're pretending Hillary didn't threaten supers who didn't pledge to her?

Please, do surprise us all and provide evidence of that.

Don't worry if you can't. we all know its horseshit...



This is the feigned naiveté I've been talking about. You're suggesting Hillary didn't give the impression that Democrats who didn't support her wouldn't get support back, that is just absurd.

We want to add that DWS wasn't in Hillary's camp from the start, while we're pretending we don't know what happens in politics?

GH, only naïve person in this thread is you and your conspiracy theories about Clinton. You have nothing but your baseless claims and refusal to accept that Sanders lost.


Yeah me and Politico with our wild conspiracy theories. I'm trying to help prevent Democrats from walking into a bloodbath they seem blind to but you all are stubborn as hell to even admit that if a Republican were doing what Hillary is with campaign finance, Democrats would be screaming from the rafters, but their blind loyalty has them defending it.

Show nested quote +
On May 05 2016 03:35 zeo wrote:
On May 05 2016 03:28 farvacola wrote:
The notion that Hillary will have a difficult time beating Trump in the General is hilariously off-base. I already can't wait for November

Can someone with TL+ check what farvacola said about Trump's chances in the primaries around November/December?


Pretty sure xDaunt and I were the first ones to say Trump would win the Republican primary. Everyone else (I think) was still speculating he wouldn't get it just a month or so ago.

Watch as the same folks ignore us again on Trump's chances in the general.

Still waiting for that evidence.

And xDaunt's record isn't that great, he was pretty convinced Romney would sweep.
And a month ago? Dude a month ago we all knew Bernie was dead and Trump would have a large delegate lead, the only question was if he would clinch or not.
It ignores such insignificant forces as time, entropy, and death
farvacola
Profile Blog Joined January 2011
United States18856 Posts
May 04 2016 18:54 GMT
#74711
On May 05 2016 03:35 zeo wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 05 2016 03:28 farvacola wrote:
The notion that Hillary will have a difficult time beating Trump in the General is hilariously off-base. I already can't wait for November

Can someone with TL+ check what farvacola said about Trump's chances in the primaries around November/December?

Poor baby can't search through my posts that mention the word "Trump" on his own? You'll find that I've always disliked him and his followers, but I've never suggested that he won't win the Republican Primary. In fact, I've been rooting for him all along
"when the Dead Kennedys found out they had skinhead fans, they literally wrote a song titled 'Nazi Punks Fuck Off'"
oneofthem
Profile Blog Joined November 2005
Cayman Islands24199 Posts
Last Edited: 2016-05-04 18:54:50
May 04 2016 18:54 GMT
#74712
trump is a pretty serious candidate. it's mostly going to be ugly because of the style of politics and the various targets misrepresented/attacked by trump. has potential to accelerate the loss of confidence.

it's basically the method of agitators to get out a vivid presentation of crisis and failure etc. this message would resonate with many people who already feel the establishment is tone deaf.
We have fed the heart on fantasies, the heart's grown brutal from the fare, more substance in our enmities than in our love
GreenHorizons
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
United States23799 Posts
May 04 2016 18:55 GMT
#74713
On May 05 2016 03:50 Gorsameth wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 05 2016 03:38 GreenHorizons wrote:
On May 05 2016 03:35 Plansix wrote:
On May 05 2016 03:31 GreenHorizons wrote:
On May 05 2016 03:27 Gorsameth wrote:
On May 05 2016 03:26 GreenHorizons wrote:
On May 05 2016 03:21 Plansix wrote:
On May 05 2016 03:17 GreenHorizons wrote:
On May 05 2016 03:14 Plansix wrote:
On May 05 2016 03:12 Gorsameth wrote:
[quote]
Your talking to GreenHorizons, who thinks that the Super delegates, who's purpose is to protect he establisment, will go against the establisment and overturn both the popular vote and the delegate lead to vote Bernie Sanders as the next democratic presidential candidate.
Oh and please ignore the fact that Hillary leads 520 to 39 in super delegate pledges.

aka GH is delusional.

Lets not even get into the fact that Hilary has been given 20% of her fund raising to the DNC, while Sanders has been keeping it. Since the Super Delegates vote for the good of the party as a whole, there is zero reason for them to support Sanders.


lol. "To the DNC". I can't take seriously people bragging about Hillary's "trickle down" fundraising.

20% to the DNC (for her general election campaign) then the other 79% went into her campaign. At least when Bernie raises money for other candidates they actually get to keep it, not pass it back clean like the state parties are for Hillary.

Seems like a pretty shit plan then and the pledged super delegates show it.


Not sure if you're serious or you're pretending Hillary didn't threaten supers who didn't pledge to her?

Please, do surprise us all and provide evidence of that.

Don't worry if you can't. we all know its horseshit...



This is the feigned naiveté I've been talking about. You're suggesting Hillary didn't give the impression that Democrats who didn't support her wouldn't get support back, that is just absurd.

We want to add that DWS wasn't in Hillary's camp from the start, while we're pretending we don't know what happens in politics?

GH, only naïve person in this thread is you and your conspiracy theories about Clinton. You have nothing but your baseless claims and refusal to accept that Sanders lost.


Yeah me and Politico with our wild conspiracy theories. I'm trying to help prevent Democrats from walking into a bloodbath they seem blind to but you all are stubborn as hell to even admit that if a Republican were doing what Hillary is with campaign finance, Democrats would be screaming from the rafters, but their blind loyalty has them defending it.

On May 05 2016 03:35 zeo wrote:
On May 05 2016 03:28 farvacola wrote:
The notion that Hillary will have a difficult time beating Trump in the General is hilariously off-base. I already can't wait for November

Can someone with TL+ check what farvacola said about Trump's chances in the primaries around November/December?


Pretty sure xDaunt and I were the first ones to say Trump would win the Republican primary. Everyone else (I think) was still speculating he wouldn't get it just a month or so ago.

Watch as the same folks ignore us again on Trump's chances in the general.

Still waiting for that evidence.

And xDaunt's record isn't that great, he was pretty convinced Romney would sweep.
And a month ago? Dude a month ago we all knew Bernie was dead and Trump would have a large delegate lead, the only question was if he would clinch or not.


There was no question he would clinch really, just media propaganda pushing the possibility he wouldn't. It's long been obvious Trump was more likely to clinch than Clinton, the media however, had a very different narrative. One great example is that the Media has said the D race has been over since March yet it's the one going to the convention, while they've been feeding you all the narrative that Republicans we're probably not going to have a nominee before the convention.

If folks haven't picked up on the propaganda yet it's hard to believe they are really paying attention.
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Gorsameth
Profile Joined April 2010
Netherlands22190 Posts
Last Edited: 2016-05-04 18:59:13
May 04 2016 18:58 GMT
#74714
On May 05 2016 03:55 GreenHorizons wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 05 2016 03:50 Gorsameth wrote:
On May 05 2016 03:38 GreenHorizons wrote:
On May 05 2016 03:35 Plansix wrote:
On May 05 2016 03:31 GreenHorizons wrote:
On May 05 2016 03:27 Gorsameth wrote:
On May 05 2016 03:26 GreenHorizons wrote:
On May 05 2016 03:21 Plansix wrote:
On May 05 2016 03:17 GreenHorizons wrote:
On May 05 2016 03:14 Plansix wrote:
[quote]
Lets not even get into the fact that Hilary has been given 20% of her fund raising to the DNC, while Sanders has been keeping it. Since the Super Delegates vote for the good of the party as a whole, there is zero reason for them to support Sanders.


lol. "To the DNC". I can't take seriously people bragging about Hillary's "trickle down" fundraising.

20% to the DNC (for her general election campaign) then the other 79% went into her campaign. At least when Bernie raises money for other candidates they actually get to keep it, not pass it back clean like the state parties are for Hillary.

Seems like a pretty shit plan then and the pledged super delegates show it.


Not sure if you're serious or you're pretending Hillary didn't threaten supers who didn't pledge to her?

Please, do surprise us all and provide evidence of that.

Don't worry if you can't. we all know its horseshit...



This is the feigned naiveté I've been talking about. You're suggesting Hillary didn't give the impression that Democrats who didn't support her wouldn't get support back, that is just absurd.

We want to add that DWS wasn't in Hillary's camp from the start, while we're pretending we don't know what happens in politics?

GH, only naïve person in this thread is you and your conspiracy theories about Clinton. You have nothing but your baseless claims and refusal to accept that Sanders lost.


Yeah me and Politico with our wild conspiracy theories. I'm trying to help prevent Democrats from walking into a bloodbath they seem blind to but you all are stubborn as hell to even admit that if a Republican were doing what Hillary is with campaign finance, Democrats would be screaming from the rafters, but their blind loyalty has them defending it.

On May 05 2016 03:35 zeo wrote:
On May 05 2016 03:28 farvacola wrote:
The notion that Hillary will have a difficult time beating Trump in the General is hilariously off-base. I already can't wait for November

Can someone with TL+ check what farvacola said about Trump's chances in the primaries around November/December?


Pretty sure xDaunt and I were the first ones to say Trump would win the Republican primary. Everyone else (I think) was still speculating he wouldn't get it just a month or so ago.

Watch as the same folks ignore us again on Trump's chances in the general.

Still waiting for that evidence.

And xDaunt's record isn't that great, he was pretty convinced Romney would sweep.
And a month ago? Dude a month ago we all knew Bernie was dead and Trump would have a large delegate lead, the only question was if he would clinch or not.


There was no question he would clinch really, just media propaganda pushing the possibility he wouldn't. It's long been obvious Trump was more likely to clinch than Clinton, the media however, had a very different narrative. One great example is that the Media has said the D race has been over since March yet it's the one going to the convention, while they've been feeding you all the narrative that Republicans we're probably not going to have a nominee before the convention.

If folks haven't picked up on the propaganda yet it's hard to believe they are really paying attention.

Hahaha, see you after the convention mate.
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{CC}StealthBlue
Profile Blog Joined January 2003
United States41117 Posts
May 04 2016 19:00 GMT
#74715
Saying "colleges have been treated as sanctuaries of learning where firearms have not been allowed," Georgia Gov. Nathan Deal vetoed a bill Tuesday that would have allowed licensed owners to carry guns on campus in all but a few buildings.

The "campus carry" legislation, HB 859, would have allowed guns on campuses and in buildings owned by any public college, technical school or other institution, providing exceptions only for areas used for athletic events, dormitories, and fraternity and sorority houses.

As member station WABE reports, Deal's veto comes two years after he signed the so-called guns everywhere bill — officially, the Safe Carry Protection Act, which broadly increased the places gun owners in Georgia can carry weapons. As NPR reported at the time, the list of approved places included "unsecured government buildings."

But on Tuesday, the governor said guns shouldn't be allowed on campuses, as WABE says, "at least not without stricter rules on where they can be carried."

Deal unsuccessfully lobbied the bill's sponsors for changes that would have forbidden guns to be brought into settings such as day care facilities and faculty or administrative offices, WABE's Johnny Kauffman says.

This is Deal's second veto of high-profile legislation in recent months: In late March, he announced his plan to veto a controversial bill that would have allowed people to cite their religious views as a reason to deny services to gay, lesbian, bisexual and transgender people.


Source
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Karis Vas Ryaar
Profile Blog Joined July 2011
United States4396 Posts
May 04 2016 19:01 GMT
#74716
If it makes someone any better the Phillipines have their own version of Trump and he's actually leading in the election after saying he should have been the first to rape somebody.
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xDaunt
Profile Joined March 2010
United States17988 Posts
May 04 2016 19:01 GMT
#74717
On May 05 2016 03:12 oneofthem wrote:
the real ugliness is basically the misinformation trump will unleash on the liberal order of things. this is not easy to stop because of a combination of the likely attack being somewhat true and the difficulty of figuring out why this is, and why trump doesn't work. it's basically up to identity politics and minorities to save the day.

This is a hilariously damning indictment of the current state of American politics.
oneofthem
Profile Blog Joined November 2005
Cayman Islands24199 Posts
May 04 2016 19:02 GMT
#74718
a large part of how 'delusional' sandernistas can be is their basic belief that hillary is deeply corrupt. the worse the reality, the harder it is to accept. it's not that surprising if this group simply rejects the current politics.
We have fed the heart on fantasies, the heart's grown brutal from the fare, more substance in our enmities than in our love
Plansix
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
United States60190 Posts
May 04 2016 19:04 GMT
#74719
On May 05 2016 04:00 {CC}StealthBlue wrote:
Show nested quote +
Saying "colleges have been treated as sanctuaries of learning where firearms have not been allowed," Georgia Gov. Nathan Deal vetoed a bill Tuesday that would have allowed licensed owners to carry guns on campus in all but a few buildings.

The "campus carry" legislation, HB 859, would have allowed guns on campuses and in buildings owned by any public college, technical school or other institution, providing exceptions only for areas used for athletic events, dormitories, and fraternity and sorority houses.

As member station WABE reports, Deal's veto comes two years after he signed the so-called guns everywhere bill — officially, the Safe Carry Protection Act, which broadly increased the places gun owners in Georgia can carry weapons. As NPR reported at the time, the list of approved places included "unsecured government buildings."

But on Tuesday, the governor said guns shouldn't be allowed on campuses, as WABE says, "at least not without stricter rules on where they can be carried."

Deal unsuccessfully lobbied the bill's sponsors for changes that would have forbidden guns to be brought into settings such as day care facilities and faculty or administrative offices, WABE's Johnny Kauffman says.

This is Deal's second veto of high-profile legislation in recent months: In late March, he announced his plan to veto a controversial bill that would have allowed people to cite their religious views as a reason to deny services to gay, lesbian, bisexual and transgender people.


Source

I appreciate the governor saving the tax payers a lot of money by vetoing these really dumb bills addressing problems no one currently has.
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ticklishmusic
Profile Blog Joined August 2011
United States15977 Posts
May 04 2016 19:05 GMT
#74720
On May 05 2016 04:01 Karis Vas Ryaar wrote:
If it makes someone any better the Phillipines have their own version of Trump and he's actually leading in the election after saying he should have been the first to rape somebody.


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