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ticklishmusic
Profile Blog Joined August 2011
United States15977 Posts
March 15 2016 23:40 GMT
#66601
On March 16 2016 08:38 Nyxisto wrote:
are the delegates distributed by winner takes it all or do the candidates get the delegates proportionately?


Democrats are proportional with 15% to meet viability

Republicans are weird. Winner take all in FL and OH, sort of proportional though the person with the most votes gets the lion's share.
(╯°□°)╯︵ ┻━┻
Deleted User 137586
Profile Joined January 2011
7859 Posts
March 15 2016 23:40 GMT
#66602
On March 16 2016 08:38 Nyxisto wrote:
are the delegates distributed by winner takes it all or do the candidates get the delegates proportionately?


Depends on the party and state. Most Dem states: proportional. Most remaining GOP states: winner takes all. And then there's Illinois... I ain't gonna even attempt to explain that here.
Cry 'havoc' and let slip the dogs of war
GreenHorizons
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
United States23931 Posts
Last Edited: 2016-03-15 23:40:54
March 15 2016 23:40 GMT
#66603
ninja'd
"People like to look at history and think 'If that was me back then, I would have...' We're living through history, and the truth is, whatever you are doing now is probably what you would have done then" "Scratch a Liberal..."
Sent.
Profile Joined June 2012
Poland9297 Posts
March 15 2016 23:40 GMT
#66604
Does Kasich have a chance if Rubio drops out or it's only between Cruz and Trump now?
You're now breathing manually
CannonsNCarriers
Profile Joined April 2010
United States638 Posts
Last Edited: 2016-03-15 23:42:31
March 15 2016 23:41 GMT
#66605
On March 16 2016 08:40 Sent. wrote:
Does Kasich have a chance if Rubio drops out or it's only between Cruz and Trump now?


Kasich needs to win 112% of the remaining delegates to get to 1237 (50%). That 112% was calculated before today's delegates were assigned. After Trump takes all of Florida's delegates ...
Dun tuch my cheezbrgr
farvacola
Profile Blog Joined January 2011
United States18857 Posts
March 15 2016 23:42 GMT
#66606
Katich's (incredibly unlikely) path to the presidency leads outside the Republican Party, methinks.
"when the Dead Kennedys found out they had skinhead fans, they literally wrote a song titled 'Nazi Punks Fuck Off'"
Deleted User 26513
Profile Joined February 2007
2376 Posts
March 15 2016 23:45 GMT
#66607
On March 16 2016 08:40 Sent. wrote:
Does Kasich have a chance if Rubio drops out or it's only between Cruz and Trump now?

Nobody has a chance of beating Trump, period. At this point they are fighting to prevent him from taking 50%+1 of the delegates.
Adreme
Profile Joined June 2011
United States5574 Posts
March 15 2016 23:46 GMT
#66608
On March 16 2016 08:45 Pr0wler wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 16 2016 08:40 Sent. wrote:
Does Kasich have a chance if Rubio drops out or it's only between Cruz and Trump now?

Nobody has a chance of beating Trump, period. At this point they are fighting to prevent him from taking 50%+1 of the delegates.


Then somehow hoping he and the party will take it well if they take the nomination from the guy with by far the most delegates.
trulojucreathrma.com
Profile Blog Joined December 2015
United States327 Posts
Last Edited: 2016-03-15 23:48:57
March 15 2016 23:47 GMT
#66609
On March 16 2016 08:41 CannonsNCarriers wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 16 2016 08:40 Sent. wrote:
Does Kasich have a chance if Rubio drops out or it's only between Cruz and Trump now?


Kasich needs to win 112% of the remaining delegates to get to 1237 (50%). That 112% was calculated before today's delegates were assigned. After Trump takes all of Florida's delegates ...


No. You need delegates to vote for you at the convention. Trump may not get the majority of the deletages.

They are probably, but not quite, bond to vote for Trump the first round. But the second round, more delegates can vote for anyone.

They can nominate Romney or Rubio. And why should delegates nominate someone they don't like, have no allegiance with, and whom they believe, based on polling, has no chance even against a weak democratic candidate.

If delegates are only allowed to vote for someone who they are 'bond' to, they can never elect a candidate when there is no one with a majority.
{CC}StealthBlue
Profile Blog Joined January 2003
United States41117 Posts
Last Edited: 2016-03-15 23:49:29
March 15 2016 23:48 GMT
#66610
I find it admiring that people think Rubio knowingly chose to leave his Senate seat. He knew he wouldn't be able to hold on to it especially with his lack of voting record then he decided to run for President which has been a disaster so he gambled and lost. And if he/when he decided to run for Governor his opponents will have though great lines where he said the Government wasn't important when while he was there especially the Senate.
"Smokey, this is not 'Nam, this is bowling. There are rules."
Slaughter
Profile Blog Joined November 2003
United States20255 Posts
March 15 2016 23:48 GMT
#66611
On March 16 2016 08:45 Pr0wler wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 16 2016 08:40 Sent. wrote:
Does Kasich have a chance if Rubio drops out or it's only between Cruz and Trump now?

Nobody has a chance of beating Trump, period. At this point they are fighting to prevent him from taking 50%+1 of the delegates.


Dunno why they would do that. If they force that then end up picking someone else at the convention then the voters will be pissed (rightfully so) and that would hurt them greatly in general. Do you think the establishment would rather lose the general then nominate Trump?
Never Knows Best.
Toadesstern
Profile Blog Joined October 2008
Germany16350 Posts
Last Edited: 2016-03-15 23:50:06
March 15 2016 23:49 GMT
#66612
a LOT of people said the republicans would rather lose this general then have Trump nominated. Wether that's a bluff is another question
<Elem> >toad in charge of judging lewdness <Elem> how bad can it be <Elem> also wew, that is actually p lewd.
Adreme
Profile Joined June 2011
United States5574 Posts
March 15 2016 23:50 GMT
#66613
On March 16 2016 08:48 Slaughter wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 16 2016 08:45 Pr0wler wrote:
On March 16 2016 08:40 Sent. wrote:
Does Kasich have a chance if Rubio drops out or it's only between Cruz and Trump now?

Nobody has a chance of beating Trump, period. At this point they are fighting to prevent him from taking 50%+1 of the delegates.


Dunno why they would do that. If they force that then end up picking someone else at the convention then the voters will be pissed (rightfully so) and that would hurt them greatly in general. Do you think the establishment would rather lose the general then nominate Trump?


Short answer. Yes.

Long answer. They are terrified that his racism and bigotry will attract so many anti Trump voters that it will snowball them out of the majority in the Senate and greatly narrow there House majority so they would rather lose the White House with a safe candidate then risk losing everything with someone who they know will lose.
oneofthem
Profile Blog Joined November 2005
Cayman Islands24199 Posts
March 15 2016 23:51 GMT
#66614
the gop 'establishment' is not a unified group anyway. the foreign policy guys will split and the more libertarian types too. but there's plenty of koch type to take advantage of trump, since power is always useful.
We have fed the heart on fantasies, the heart's grown brutal from the fare, more substance in our enmities than in our love
Slaughter
Profile Blog Joined November 2003
United States20255 Posts
March 15 2016 23:52 GMT
#66615
On March 16 2016 08:50 Adreme wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 16 2016 08:48 Slaughter wrote:
On March 16 2016 08:45 Pr0wler wrote:
On March 16 2016 08:40 Sent. wrote:
Does Kasich have a chance if Rubio drops out or it's only between Cruz and Trump now?

Nobody has a chance of beating Trump, period. At this point they are fighting to prevent him from taking 50%+1 of the delegates.


Dunno why they would do that. If they force that then end up picking someone else at the convention then the voters will be pissed (rightfully so) and that would hurt them greatly in general. Do you think the establishment would rather lose the general then nominate Trump?


Short answer. Yes.

Long answer. They are terrified that his racism and bigotry will attract so many anti Trump voters that it will snowball them out of the majority in the Senate and greatly narrow there House majority so they would rather lose the White House with a safe candidate then risk losing everything with someone who they know will lose.


I think if the establishment stopped fighting Trump and backed him they probably would have a decent shot at general. Their intense struggle against him to try to shoehorn in a long shot only hurts them.
Never Knows Best.
Mohdoo
Profile Joined August 2007
United States15743 Posts
March 15 2016 23:54 GMT
#66616
I'm happy with these >1% reporting numbers. Let's just call that good and ship it.
{CC}StealthBlue
Profile Blog Joined January 2003
United States41117 Posts
March 15 2016 23:54 GMT
#66617
Expect a Rubio drop out message pretty soon:

"Smokey, this is not 'Nam, this is bowling. There are rules."
Adreme
Profile Joined June 2011
United States5574 Posts
March 15 2016 23:56 GMT
#66618
On March 16 2016 08:52 Slaughter wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 16 2016 08:50 Adreme wrote:
On March 16 2016 08:48 Slaughter wrote:
On March 16 2016 08:45 Pr0wler wrote:
On March 16 2016 08:40 Sent. wrote:
Does Kasich have a chance if Rubio drops out or it's only between Cruz and Trump now?

Nobody has a chance of beating Trump, period. At this point they are fighting to prevent him from taking 50%+1 of the delegates.


Dunno why they would do that. If they force that then end up picking someone else at the convention then the voters will be pissed (rightfully so) and that would hurt them greatly in general. Do you think the establishment would rather lose the general then nominate Trump?


Short answer. Yes.

Long answer. They are terrified that his racism and bigotry will attract so many anti Trump voters that it will snowball them out of the majority in the Senate and greatly narrow there House majority so they would rather lose the White House with a safe candidate then risk losing everything with someone who they know will lose.


I think if the establishment stopped fighting Trump and backed him they probably would have a decent shot at general. Their intense struggle against him to try to shoehorn in a long shot only hurts them.


They are not the reason that he can so arrogantly get up on a stage and lie to a group of people about his businesses for an hour. I know thats a strong word but he did he outright lied to them for an hour about things that he owned that he did not own and things that were his that were not his and it was laughable and a joke and aside from the racism and bigotry stuff like that is the reason that he can not win because the people who can see thru his con and its the large majority still would be ashamed of him as president and would never vote for him.
Deleted User 137586
Profile Joined January 2011
7859 Posts
March 15 2016 23:58 GMT
#66619
On March 16 2016 08:54 {CC}StealthBlue wrote:
Expect a Rubio drop out message pretty soon:

https://twitter.com/NPR/status/709890346986180608


He lost, and lost big. The question is, does he think he has better Convention chances than Kasich?
Cry 'havoc' and let slip the dogs of war
{CC}StealthBlue
Profile Blog Joined January 2003
United States41117 Posts
March 15 2016 23:58 GMT
#66620
"Smokey, this is not 'Nam, this is bowling. There are rules."
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