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On March 05 2016 23:04 iPlaY.NettleS wrote:Show nested quote +On March 05 2016 22:56 Gorsameth wrote:On March 05 2016 22:52 iPlaY.NettleS wrote:On March 05 2016 21:10 Liquid`Drone wrote:On March 05 2016 20:53 iPlaY.NettleS wrote:On March 05 2016 19:35 Jockmcplop wrote:
The deepest reason I can see for voting for Trump is that people believe that they have a right to offend others and a duty to carry out that right.
I'm sorry if this seems overly sarcastic or people are insulted by it (the irony isn't lost on me) but the guy is unable to put together any kind of coherent plan or belief system. People seem to be voting one by one for the offensive things he says because they like how offensive it is. Having a difference of opinion should not be offensive, yet it is to leftists especially the ones at university.This is the generation who demands "safe spaces" and "trigger warnings".Instead of debating ideas on their merits the left increasingly focuses on the race, gender, sexuality of who spouts those ideas.It is a worrying trend. Every action has an equal and opposite reaction. The left created Trump. aren't you a trump supporter? are you basically saying that you yourself comfortably consider yourself the 'insane extreme on the other side of the spectrum'? Not particularly.It's obvious a vote for Clinton is a vote for more of the same but i am seriously enjoying watching the establishment go after Trump.I am following Trump because Romney,Bush,Rove and the rest of the scum despise him. Like i said before, America is done.19 trillion in debt, completely bankrupt, the presidency is a poisoned chalice to whoever gets in.It does not matter who wins the economic outcome will be identical. don't base your choices on economics if you don't understand them. The debt is not a big issue and the US is far from bankrupt. Obama doubling the debt in 8 years ... Is this forum for real these days?
Oh dear.
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On March 05 2016 23:20 iPlaY.NettleS wrote:Show nested quote +On March 05 2016 23:08 farvacola wrote:On March 05 2016 23:04 iPlaY.NettleS wrote:On March 05 2016 22:56 Gorsameth wrote:On March 05 2016 22:52 iPlaY.NettleS wrote:On March 05 2016 21:10 Liquid`Drone wrote:On March 05 2016 20:53 iPlaY.NettleS wrote:On March 05 2016 19:35 Jockmcplop wrote:
The deepest reason I can see for voting for Trump is that people believe that they have a right to offend others and a duty to carry out that right.
I'm sorry if this seems overly sarcastic or people are insulted by it (the irony isn't lost on me) but the guy is unable to put together any kind of coherent plan or belief system. People seem to be voting one by one for the offensive things he says because they like how offensive it is. Having a difference of opinion should not be offensive, yet it is to leftists especially the ones at university.This is the generation who demands "safe spaces" and "trigger warnings".Instead of debating ideas on their merits the left increasingly focuses on the race, gender, sexuality of who spouts those ideas.It is a worrying trend. Every action has an equal and opposite reaction. The left created Trump. aren't you a trump supporter? are you basically saying that you yourself comfortably consider yourself the 'insane extreme on the other side of the spectrum'? Not particularly.It's obvious a vote for Clinton is a vote for more of the same but i am seriously enjoying watching the establishment go after Trump.I am following Trump because Romney,Bush,Rove and the rest of the scum despise him. Like i said before, America is done.19 trillion in debt, completely bankrupt, the presidency is a poisoned chalice to whoever gets in.It does not matter who wins the economic outcome will be identical. don't base your choices on economics if you don't understand them. The debt is not a big issue and the US is far from bankrupt. Obama doubling the debt in 8 years is not a serious issue? Thats not even taking into account unfunded liabilities - medicare, social security.Forbes has these unfunded liabilities at 127 trillion : http://www.forbes.com/sites/realspin/2014/01/17/you-think-the-deficit-is-bad-federal-unfunded-liabilities-exceed-127-trillion/#4f77f28910d3Is this forum for real these days? Actually, that over two year old article clearly states that the opinions of the author are not that of Forbes.... Upon further review, you've basically just cited a thinly veiled advertisement for a book written by a former Reform party candidate that is extremely anti-government liability. That's nice.... Advertisement? Wow, democrats sure don't like hearing the truth about how bad the USA is doing.You're really clutching at straws. The government is broke now, debt rising 1 trill a year, let alone in 10 years with all the boomers retiring on SS.Interest on the debt $223 billion last year, with rates at record lows!!! Plus the fact the article is over two years old is meaningless.Why bring it up? These are future liabilities, which means the situation now is worse than what it was in 2014.The SS and medicare bill has risen since then yes?
The debit is a long term issue but there is a reason that despite the fact that EVERYONE knows these numbers US debt is still the thing people love to invest in. In fact when one agency downgraded the US from AAA to AA causing a temporary market reaction there was a significant group of people who ran to buy US debt because it was the safest investment aka the very thing that was just downgraded.
Moving on from that a lot of the root causes can be attributed to having the largest military by far (with expenses they dont want) with one of the lowest tax bases in the modern world which leads to multiple problems including a fairly large debt. Now I know they like to point out random waste which often times totals at most about 10B per year but if you are going to tell me that there is only 10B in waste in a 4.3T dollar economy I would say that is a fairly efficiently run business.
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if only there was a way to print more of the currency that all your debt is in... for the nation that has a monopoly on printing said currency.
I mean just going out of your way to print the trillion dollar coin like it was suggested a couple years ago obviously would have it's own consequences. I'd assume you'd make lots of people angry and people would be less willing to lend you money in the future.
But it's literally impossible to be bankrupt as long as all your debt is in US$, isn't it?
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On March 06 2016 00:30 Toadesstern wrote:
if only there was a way to print more of the currency that all your debt is in... for the nation that has a monopoly on printing said currency.
I mean just going out of your way to print the trillion dollar coin like it was suggested a couple years ago obviously would have it's own consequences. I'd assume you'd make lots of people angry and people would be less willing to lend you money in the future.
But it's literally impossible to be bankrupt as long as all your debt is in US$, isn't it?
The reason you try to avoid doing that is because inflation would basically render your currency worthless and suddenly for example the amount of money you make is only worth about 75% of what it was overnight at best (quite possibly less) and that could cause serious economic issues that are way worse then just having a large debt that you is currently being handled.
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Cayman Islands24199 Posts
dollar is too strong anyway we need to print more
every other place has already dumpstered their currency to get a trade advantage
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On March 06 2016 00:35 Adreme wrote:Show nested quote +On March 06 2016 00:30 Toadesstern wrote:
if only there was a way to print more of the currency that all your debt is in... for the nation that has a monopoly on printing said currency.
I mean just going out of your way to print the trillion dollar coin like it was suggested a couple years ago obviously would have it's own consequences. I'd assume you'd make lots of people angry and people would be less willing to lend you money in the future.
But it's literally impossible to be bankrupt as long as all your debt is in US$, isn't it? The reason you try to avoid doing that is because inflation would basically render your currency worthless and suddenly for example the amount of money you make is only worth about 75% of what it was overnight at best (quite possibly less) and that could cause serious economic issues that are way worse then just having a large debt that you is currently being handled.
well yeah but if for some reason you go all the way overboard it's still different from being another Greece. You have the possibiltiy of dumpstering your currency leading to all kinds of problems but it's just not as bad as the worst-case for other countries.
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On March 06 2016 00:30 Toadesstern wrote:
if only there was a way to print more of the currency that all your debt is in... for the nation that has a monopoly on printing said currency.
I mean just going out of your way to print the trillion dollar coin like it was suggested a couple years ago obviously would have it's own consequences. I'd assume you'd make lots of people angry and people would be less willing to lend you money in the future.
But it's literally impossible to be bankrupt as long as all your debt is in US$, isn't it?
It's impossible (barring a bizarre mutual-destruction disagreement between the US government and the Fed). But printing enough money to just pay off debts would have its own completely destructive effects: it's a de facto surrender of the US of their privileged position in international trade, and will spark off a currency crisis far larger than the one in 2008, as everybody scrambles for a coinage they DO trust. The US will probably crash into a period of hyperinflation (caused by the intentional devaluing of the coin as well as the side effect of absolutely nobody trusting the dollar anymore). Not clued up enough on economy to predict the long term effects, but with short term effects like that, I'm not sure you want to turn to printing gigantic amounts of money as your solution (although nobody seems to be calling out the Euro group for doing exactly that, so who knows).
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Again, Nettles thinks for fed should be abolished and that we should be pegged to gold/silver/four leaf clovers.
So if you want to get into an economics discussion with him, that's where you have to start from.
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On March 06 2016 00:36 oneofthem wrote:
dollar is too strong anyway we need to print more
every other place has already dumpstered their currency to get a trade advantage
Would also make pre-ordering things a lot less suffering for us guys outside of the US o/
"oh that's like 100€... I wonder how much that'll be in a year when it ships... 130€?"
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On March 05 2016 20:53 iPlaY.NettleS wrote:Show nested quote +On March 05 2016 19:35 Jockmcplop wrote:
The deepest reason I can see for voting for Trump is that people believe that they have a right to offend others and a duty to carry out that right.
I'm sorry if this seems overly sarcastic or people are insulted by it (the irony isn't lost on me) but the guy is unable to put together any kind of coherent plan or belief system. People seem to be voting one by one for the offensive things he says because they like how offensive it is. Having a difference of opinion should not be offensive, yet it is to leftists especially the ones at university.This is the generation who demands "safe spaces" and "trigger warnings".Instead of debating ideas on their merits the left increasingly focuses on the race, gender, sexuality of who spouts those ideas.It is a worrying trend. Every action has an equal and opposite reaction. The left created Trump.
Posts like this are really rich because they clearly underline the massive dishonesty and hypocrisy displayed by many on the right when it comes to responsibility. They will be harping about "personal responsibility" all the time, but when it comes to the actual responsibility of the right/Republican party for literally anything, they'll always weasel their way into finding someone else to blame ("Thanks, Obama.").
The left did not create Trump. At all. The right created two things, which allowed for Trump's rise:
1. With regards to the whole debate on political correctness, the right took an epiphenomenon (yes, there have been some issues here and there on campuses with protests preventing some speakers from holding their conferences) and turned it into a giant caricature in order to have something to rally against. Cries about "political correctness" are usually cries about not being able to openly state racist and sexist views that are no longer deemed acceptable, because society has become more critical of bigots and the different routes through which bigotry is expressed and acted upon. Many people on the right have made this into a huge issue precisely because they would like to be seen as victims (another hilarious hypocrisy -- blaming people on the left who supposedly play the "victim card", when they're doing it all the time) instead of bigots, and because it's a useful tool to rile up and mobilize their base. When someone seen as a fierce opponent of "political correctness" therefore becomes popular notably due to that trait, you can blame the right for how prominent the issue has become as a caricature, not the left.
2. More importantly and fundamentally, the right is responsible for creating a climate of fear regarding pretty much all of the buttons that Trump is pushing: the idea that the U.S. is in a terrible state (not true), the idea that all other states walk over the U.S. on the international stage (not true), the idea that immigrants have a negative impact on the economy (not true), the idea that the U.S. would be better off without Obama's stimulus and its contribution to the debt (not true), the idea that there are easy solutions to ISIS that Obama is not pursuing (not true), the idea that Obama is a president who doesn't love the U.S. (not true), etc. etc. The right is entirely responsible for the bogeymen they've constructed about Obama, his policies, and the state of the U.S. for the last eight years, it is responsible for the inflammatory rhetoric they've employed on these topics, and it is responsible for the despicable tolerance it has shown towards extreme ideas and individuals in its ranks (did the left encourage Trump in his xenophobic insistence that Obama may not be an American? Or was that the right, as usual?).
The idea that the left created Trump is both factually false and a perfect example of the hypocrisy coming from the right on these issues. It'd be laughable if it wasn't a terrible sign regarding the state of American politics.
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Cayman Islands24199 Posts
hillary actually created trump by setting him upon the gop as a mole
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Every action has an equal and opposite reaction.
The left created Trump.
its physics, idiot!
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Something is happening in the Republican Party that has not happened in living memory.
The party of unity, tradition, order and hierarchy is breaking apart over one man who personifies the concept of disruption.
Donald Trump's so-far inexorable advance toward the Republican presidential nomination has divided the party. This divide is not like the garden variety primary fights of recent cycles. It goes beyond the familiar squabbles of the party's postwar era (center versus right, moderate versus conservative, eastern versus western).
What is coming looks more like the historic schism of 1912, when former President Theodore Roosevelt came back to challenge the re-election of his successor and fellow Republican, William H. Taft. That schism was exploited by Woodrow Wilson, the only Democrat elected between 1896 and 1932.
On Thursday, the Grand Old Party's most recent presidential nominee, Mitt Romney, delivered a stunning denunciation of its current presidential front-runner, Donald Trump, calling him a fraud and a phony who was "playing the American people for suckers" and who would be a disaster in the White House. John McCain, the Arizona senator who had the party's nomination in 2008, immediately signaled his support of his "friend" Romney.
Trump responded with a rambling takedown of Romney's 2012 campaign. Major figures from the party's officialdom and from the conservative media space lined up on one side or the other to be interviewed by journalists. Some thought Romney's move would finally break the dam on Trump criticism within the party. Others thought it would ultimately harden Trump's voter base all the more.
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On March 06 2016 00:36 oneofthem wrote:
dollar is too strong anyway we need to print more
every other place has already dumpstered their currency to get a trade advantage
It's strong because it's the worlds reserve currency which actually brings (small) benefits.
But MGI finds that the United States may not enjoy much of a privilege at all. In 2007–2008—a "normal" year for the world economy, the net financial benefit to the United States was between about $40 billion and $70 billion—or 0.3 to 0.5 percent of US GDP. In a "crisis" year—such as the year to June 2009—MGI estimates that the net financial benefit fell to between—$5 billion and $25 billion because the dollar appreciated by an additional 10 percent due its status as a "safe haven."
http://www.mckinsey.com/global-themes/employment-and-growth/an-exorbitant-privilege
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"most transparent politician in modern times, as far as I know"
Just because people are always looking does not constitute being transparent.
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She said "most transparent public official in modern times". I don't really see that as an outrageous statement, but I'll welcome evidence of the contrary if you have any. What has she not been transparent about as a public official?
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Sen. Rand Paul (R-Ky.) plans to force senators to vote on the State Department’s approval of $700 million worth of fighter jets to Pakistan using an obscure Senate rule that hasn’t been invoked in decades.
The Obama administration cleared the sale of eight F-16 fighter jets to Pakistan last month. But Paul is invoking the obscure Arms Export Control Act of 1976 in a bid to shoot down the sale with a resolution of disapproval.
"Over the last few years we have seen that Pakistan is an uncertain ally when it comes to cooperating with the United States,” Paul said in a statement. “As I travel in Kentucky, I meet countless individuals who are struggling to survive in this economy, we have no business sending hundreds of millions of dollars overseas."
The last time the Senate voted on such a resolution, according to Paul’s aides, was in 1986, when then-Sen. Alan Cranston (D-Calif.) forced a roll call on banning sales of certain missiles and defense services to Saudi Arabia.
Paul introduced the resolution that would block the sale of the F-16 aircraft to Pakistan on Feb. 25, two weeks after the administration announced it had approved the potential sale.
The junior Kentucky senator is using a little-known provision in the Arms Export Control Act of 1976 that allows any member of the Senate to secure a floor vote to disapprove an arms sale. Under the law, the senator must introduce a resolution of disapproval, and then wait 10 days for the Senate Foreign Relations Committee to act on the measure, according to the Congressional Research Service.
If the committee doesn’t take up the measure after 10 days, the senator can move to discharge that resolution from the committee with a floor vote. That vote is primarily procedural, and not necessarily an up-or-down vote on the resolution’s merits.
One senior Republican said it was likely that Paul would get such a vote on the floor sometime before the next recess, which begins the week of March 21, in between other Senate business.
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Immunity typically isn't granted unless testimony/evidence is being given for the purpose of pursuing charges against someone else. Smells like a grand jury to me.
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