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On March 05 2016 21:26 Atreides wrote:Show nested quote +On March 05 2016 21:18 SoSexy wrote:
Well, if in America a 'quite stupid' person can build an empire like Trump did, I can't imagine what an 'intelligent' one would do Well, I mean "stupid" in the way I assume most of this thread does. He says "stupid" things to appeal to "stupid" people but obviously its working. I mean we just got past some retarded measuring of intelligence discussion in this thread but its quite possible hes actually more "intelligent" than HRC. It's not the persona he shows though.
I totally missed the intelligence/ Sam Harris discussion (although it's occurred several times before), but it doesn't look like there was much substance to it... especially when there's quotes like this:
On March 05 2016 12:03 Plansix wrote:
He is completely unqualified to talk about he subject. That is the main reason why people don't take him and New Atheists seriously. They are so far outside their fields of expertise is comical. The best they can muster is a BA philosophy, which is like a undergrad history student trying to arguing with a PHD is a specific branch of history.
The only problem with that is... "He received a Ph.D. degree in cognitive neuroscience in 2009 from the University of California, Los Angeles,[16][23][24] using functional magnetic resonance imaging to conduct research into the neural basis of belief, disbelief, and uncertainty.[16][24] His thesis was titled "The moral landscape: How science could determine human values", and his advisor was Mark S. Cohen.[25]" ~ https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sam_Harris#Early_life_and_education
So he's damn qualified lol. It frequently comes across as arrogance, but it's hilarious to think that Sam Harris is out of his league when it comes to debating religion and science and belief and morality... especially when you look at the nutjobs that frequently sit against him.
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On March 05 2016 21:18 SoSexy wrote:
Well, if in America a 'quite stupid' person can build an empire like Trump did, I can't imagine what an 'intelligent' one would do
Gee, i wonder how many people would be able to run a couple of companies and brands in the ground, if they were given hundreds of millions of dollars and grade a connections from their father.
Lets be real. Trump isn't impressive. Not even close. His father might be, you know, the one planting the way for donald, but he's not running for president.
How amazing of a businessman trump is you can check in the lawsuits he's facing, where he openly stated that the estimate of his wealth changes based on feelings. His own feelings. And that can "change rapidly from day to day", after suing some journalist who stated that he's only worth around 250 million, rather than the 10 billion he's claiming.
Every action has an equal and opposite reaction.
The left created Trump.
That's why he's running for the republicans. Right.
edit: btw, i think trump is a monumental idiot, but not stupid. He's pandering to the lowest possible emotions, by calculation. His "campaigning", and not knowing anything about politics (and showing it repeatedly) doesn't matter, he's literally UKIP. He panders to the dumb people - and don't misunderstand that. Only a dumb (and egoistical) person would set his country on fire to "show the establishment".
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On March 05 2016 21:41 m4ini wrote:Show nested quote +On March 05 2016 21:18 SoSexy wrote:
Well, if in America a 'quite stupid' person can build an empire like Trump did, I can't imagine what an 'intelligent' one would do Gee, i wonder how many people would be able to run a couple of companies and brands in the ground, if they were given hundreds of millions of dollars and grade a connections from their father. Lets be real. Trump isn't impressive. Not even close. His father might be, you know, the one planting the way for donald, but he's not running for president. How amazing of a businessman trump is you can check in the lawsuits he's facing, where he openly stated that the estimate of his wealth changes based on feelings. His own feelings. And that can "change rapidly from day to day", after suing some journalist who stated that he's only worth around 250 million, rather than the 10 billion he's claiming. That's why he's running for the republicans. Right.
Trump is basically just the newest "Thanks Obama" statement made by Republicans, who have created a monster taking over their party and don't want to take responsibility for their actions.
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On March 05 2016 21:45 DarkPlasmaBall wrote:Show nested quote +On March 05 2016 21:41 m4ini wrote:On March 05 2016 21:18 SoSexy wrote:
Well, if in America a 'quite stupid' person can build an empire like Trump did, I can't imagine what an 'intelligent' one would do Gee, i wonder how many people would be able to run a couple of companies and brands in the ground, if they were given hundreds of millions of dollars and grade a connections from their father. Lets be real. Trump isn't impressive. Not even close. His father might be, you know, the one planting the way for donald, but he's not running for president. How amazing of a businessman trump is you can check in the lawsuits he's facing, where he openly stated that the estimate of his wealth changes based on feelings. His own feelings. And that can "change rapidly from day to day", after suing some journalist who stated that he's only worth around 250 million, rather than the 10 billion he's claiming. Every action has an equal and opposite reaction.
The left created Trump. That's why he's running for the republicans. Right. Trump is basically just the newest "Thanks Obama" statement made by Republicans, who have created a monster taking over their party and don't want to take responsibility for their actions.
Pretty much.
edit: that being said, you don't really have a good choice this election.
You got someone with decent, but for america unreal/impossible ideas (sanders).
You got a sleazy woman who i wouldn't trust for my life (hillary).
You got a couple of loonies running for the republicans (all of them, do i need to go into specific comments by them?)
The only person, at least from the last two debates i watched, who i would even consider if it weren't for the fact that there's no alternatives is Kasich - even though i think (and said) that i don't think he's presidential material.
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harris is qualified to know the neuroscience but his philosophy is too edgy and not enough balance or nuance. it is not that good. anyway i dont know why he is relevant except that some people are fanboys.
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On March 05 2016 21:16 Atreides wrote:
Another huge part of it is a lot of conservative/republicans are utterly disgusted with the republican party. It seems like a worthwhile short term sacrifice to vote for a moron like trump if it utterly dumps the establishment on its head so that there is an actual conservative "party" in this country. I mean from my point of view its not like I think Trump will accomplish things or make it better (and he really is quite stupid), but the current establishment is actively making it worse. Certainly I think 4 years of trump would leave us better off than 4 years of hillary. I would consider maintaining the status quo on most everything and getting rid of the ACA a complete vindication of voting for Trump. At least it temporarily delays the slide into the abyss and maybe creates an atmosphere where we could actually get a good president/overhaul our utterly corrupted political system.
I mean I grew up in an extremely conservative atmosphere and am currently back in a rural environment where most of my friends etc are self employed commercial fishermen, but I spent my share of time in undergrad and grad school. The thing is in my experience the liberal university crowd just doesn't understand how other people can have world views that are completely irreconcilable to theirs and they think they are smarter than anyone who disagrees with them.
Edit: That said most of the die-hard trump supporters are also just stupid. There are some other forums I frequent for other interests of mine (hunting/trapping/commercial fishing) and I avoid politics on them like the plague because its just a Trump circle jerk and most of the posts make me ashamed that I generally agree with some positions because the majority of posters are illiterate mongoloids.
All of these reasons seem to apply far better to Cruz than to Trump. Now I thoroughly dislike Cruz too, but I can see how he would appeal to conservatives who are furious with the establishment abandoning them. I just really don't get how Trump caters to the same people. He's not even conservative. And for the record, I really doubt Trump would do anything at all about healthcare reform. It's just not a priority in his platform.
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people who say hillary sleezy for adapting her positions are perhaps not aware of the complex political landscape.
between sincerity and getting votes, you are constrained. unless you are just restricting yourself to a small group of likeminded people, the leader of a big tent has to form coalitions. it would be moronic to do no crafting or selective presentation. it is not sleezy to keep your base from beating up on each other.
it is maybe elitist to have your elites direct the base and there may be real and severe underrepresentation of some voters, namely the unskilled working poor. but i dont think hillary is uniquely responsible for this persistent structural problem
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On March 05 2016 22:10 oneofthem wrote:
people who say hillary sleezy for adapting her positions are perhaps not aware of the complex political landscape.
between sincerity and getting votes, you are constrained. unless you are just restricting yourself to a small group of likeminded people, the leader of a big tent has to form coalitions. it would be moronic to do no crafting or selective presentation. it is not sleezy to keep your base from beating up on each other.
it is maybe elitist to have your elites direct the base and there may be real and severe underrepresentation of some voters, namely the unskilled working poor. but i dont think hillary is uniquely responsible for this persistent structural problem
Agreed. I think its out of frustration at the seemingly impossible task of trying to change this that some people on the left are so violently against Hilary.
It may also have something to do with her lack of public acknowledgement of the problem, and it is IMO a big problem.
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On March 05 2016 22:04 Acrofales wrote:Show nested quote +On March 05 2016 21:16 Atreides wrote:
Another huge part of it is a lot of conservative/republicans are utterly disgusted with the republican party. It seems like a worthwhile short term sacrifice to vote for a moron like trump if it utterly dumps the establishment on its head so that there is an actual conservative "party" in this country. I mean from my point of view its not like I think Trump will accomplish things or make it better (and he really is quite stupid), but the current establishment is actively making it worse. Certainly I think 4 years of trump would leave us better off than 4 years of hillary. I would consider maintaining the status quo on most everything and getting rid of the ACA a complete vindication of voting for Trump. At least it temporarily delays the slide into the abyss and maybe creates an atmosphere where we could actually get a good president/overhaul our utterly corrupted political system.
I mean I grew up in an extremely conservative atmosphere and am currently back in a rural environment where most of my friends etc are self employed commercial fishermen, but I spent my share of time in undergrad and grad school. The thing is in my experience the liberal university crowd just doesn't understand how other people can have world views that are completely irreconcilable to theirs and they think they are smarter than anyone who disagrees with them.
Edit: That said most of the die-hard trump supporters are also just stupid. There are some other forums I frequent for other interests of mine (hunting/trapping/commercial fishing) and I avoid politics on them like the plague because its just a Trump circle jerk and most of the posts make me ashamed that I generally agree with some positions because the majority of posters are illiterate mongoloids. All of these reasons seem to apply far better to Cruz than to Trump. Now I thoroughly dislike Cruz too, but I can see how he would appeal to conservatives who are furious with the establishment abandoning them. I just really don't get how Trump caters to the same people. He's not even conservative. And for the record, I really doubt Trump would do anything at all about healthcare reform. It's just not a priority in his platform.
Its true about Cruz and he obviously was the front runner for the anti-establishment/tea party crowd for a while prior to Trump coming on the scene. But I guess to sum it up in one sentence somehow, someway its actually possible to believe that trump has a possibility of winning the election. (lol) That was never true for Cruz. Trump motivates people who don't care about politics. I would vote for Cruz over trump if that was the choice in the general I suppose, and in fact he did win the Alaska primary. (not that I love him, in general I have a fairly non-conservative viewpoint that the government should just stay the fuck out of purely social issues like f/e gay marriage or whatever)
Incidentally, this is why I am highly skeptical of the exit polls about second choices that are so bad for Trump. I just think that once the primary was over and people no longer had the choice of their favorite that they would just "sigh, I can't believe I am doing this" and vote for him while at the same time a huge percentage of his supporters are people who normally don't pay any attention to politics and even vote at all. Man unless Republicans in other places are different than Alaska it is just simply not the case that will people will "cross over and vote for Hilary", its possible they won't go vote at all (I didn't bother to go vote for Romney) but liberals who say they will vote for Hilary are delusional. I mean I guess 80% of all the people I've known up here in my entire life identify Republican and I know of exactly 2 cases where one of them voted for a democratic presidential candidate. Both were for Obama, one because she was black, the other because he had a personal vendetta against Palin from his heavy involvement in the state republican party lol. I mean anecdotal etc etc but yeah.
Also for the record I kind of just expect the ACA to die on its own because it doesnt actually work. I am well aware that Trump actually doesn't care about it and anyways as far as I can tell his platform doesn't actually have ANY priorities. :D
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trump is a great american for rekting cruz. here's to hoping it continues
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On March 05 2016 22:29 Atreides wrote:Show nested quote +On March 05 2016 22:04 Acrofales wrote:On March 05 2016 21:16 Atreides wrote:
Another huge part of it is a lot of conservative/republicans are utterly disgusted with the republican party. It seems like a worthwhile short term sacrifice to vote for a moron like trump if it utterly dumps the establishment on its head so that there is an actual conservative "party" in this country. I mean from my point of view its not like I think Trump will accomplish things or make it better (and he really is quite stupid), but the current establishment is actively making it worse. Certainly I think 4 years of trump would leave us better off than 4 years of hillary. I would consider maintaining the status quo on most everything and getting rid of the ACA a complete vindication of voting for Trump. At least it temporarily delays the slide into the abyss and maybe creates an atmosphere where we could actually get a good president/overhaul our utterly corrupted political system.
I mean I grew up in an extremely conservative atmosphere and am currently back in a rural environment where most of my friends etc are self employed commercial fishermen, but I spent my share of time in undergrad and grad school. The thing is in my experience the liberal university crowd just doesn't understand how other people can have world views that are completely irreconcilable to theirs and they think they are smarter than anyone who disagrees with them.
Edit: That said most of the die-hard trump supporters are also just stupid. There are some other forums I frequent for other interests of mine (hunting/trapping/commercial fishing) and I avoid politics on them like the plague because its just a Trump circle jerk and most of the posts make me ashamed that I generally agree with some positions because the majority of posters are illiterate mongoloids. All of these reasons seem to apply far better to Cruz than to Trump. Now I thoroughly dislike Cruz too, but I can see how he would appeal to conservatives who are furious with the establishment abandoning them. I just really don't get how Trump caters to the same people. He's not even conservative. And for the record, I really doubt Trump would do anything at all about healthcare reform. It's just not a priority in his platform. Its true about Cruz and he obviously was the front runner for the anti-establishment/tea party crowd for a while prior to Trump coming on the scene. But I guess to sum it up in one sentence somehow, someway its actually possible to believe that trump has a possibility of winning the election. (lol) That was never true for Cruz. Trump motivates people who don't care about politics. I would vote for Cruz over trump if that was the choice in the general I suppose, and in fact he did win the Alaska primary. (not that I love him, in general I have a fairly non-conservative viewpoint that the government should just stay the fuck out of purely social issues like f/e gay marriage or whatever) Incidentally, this is why I am highly skeptical of the exit polls about second choices that are so bad for Trump. I just think that once the primary was over and people no longer had the choice of their favorite that they would just "sigh, I can't believe I am doing this" and vote for him while at the same time a huge percentage of his supporters are people who normally don't pay any attention to politics and even vote at all. Man unless Republicans in other places are different than Alaska it is just simply not the case that will people will "cross over and vote for Hilary", its possible they won't go vote at all (I didn't bother to go vote for Romney) but liberals who say they will vote for Hilary are delusional. I mean I guess 80% of all the people I've known up here in my entire life identify Republican and I know of exactly 2 cases where one of them voted for a democratic presidential candidate. Both were for Obama, one because she was black, the other because he had a personal vendetta against Palin from his heavy involvement in the state republican party lol. I mean anecdotal etc etc but yeah. Also for the record I kind of just expect the ACA to die on its own because it doesnt actually work. I am well aware that Trump actually doesn't care about it and anyways as far as I can tell his platform doesn't actually have ANY priorities. :D
Alaska elected Palin. I don't think you can draw any form of conclusions from Alaska.
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On March 05 2016 22:29 Atreides wrote:
Also for the record I kind of just expect the ACA to die on its own because it doesnt actually work. I am well aware that Trump actually doesn't care about it and anyways as far as I can tell his platform doesn't actually have ANY priorities. :D
weren't you the one complaining there is no police that works for him so you rather pay the penalty and then 2 people found insurances that were cheaper than your penalty and had good coverage.... maybe repeating "it does not work" over and over again and closing your eyes to evidence is part of the problem?
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On March 05 2016 21:22 DarkPlasmaBall wrote:Show nested quote +On March 05 2016 21:00 iPlaY.NettleS wrote:
If Sanders was winning (a tough call with the superdelegate issue) the mainstream media and democratic establishment would be going after him as hard as they're hitting Trump now. I don't know how they could. Trump has countless skeletons in his closet, and all the mainstream media does to attack Trump is just record and play back the stupid stuff he says on a daily basis (with the occasional embellishment). Sanders is actually a good, honest guy who doesn't say bigoted, idiotic soundbites though, so they'd have to literally fabricate an entire case against him. All they really have on Sanders is "socialism", which is a dirty word but it's nothing compared to the Trump binder.
Just say his ideas are kooky, his economics don't make sense and if it comes to that just play the gender card.Clinton has been doing a little but if she was under pressure more it'd be constant.
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On March 05 2016 21:10 Liquid`Drone wrote:Show nested quote +On March 05 2016 20:53 iPlaY.NettleS wrote:On March 05 2016 19:35 Jockmcplop wrote:
The deepest reason I can see for voting for Trump is that people believe that they have a right to offend others and a duty to carry out that right.
I'm sorry if this seems overly sarcastic or people are insulted by it (the irony isn't lost on me) but the guy is unable to put together any kind of coherent plan or belief system. People seem to be voting one by one for the offensive things he says because they like how offensive it is. Having a difference of opinion should not be offensive, yet it is to leftists especially the ones at university.This is the generation who demands "safe spaces" and "trigger warnings".Instead of debating ideas on their merits the left increasingly focuses on the race, gender, sexuality of who spouts those ideas.It is a worrying trend. Every action has an equal and opposite reaction. The left created Trump. aren't you a trump supporter? are you basically saying that you yourself comfortably consider yourself the 'insane extreme on the other side of the spectrum'?
Not particularly.It's obvious a vote for Clinton is a vote for more of the same but i am seriously enjoying watching the establishment go after Trump.I am following Trump because Romney,Bush,Rove and the rest of the scum despise him.
Like i said before, America is done.19 trillion in debt, completely bankrupt, the presidency is a poisoned chalice to whoever gets in.It does not matter who wins the economic outcome will be identical.
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On March 05 2016 22:52 iPlaY.NettleS wrote:Show nested quote +On March 05 2016 21:10 Liquid`Drone wrote:On March 05 2016 20:53 iPlaY.NettleS wrote:On March 05 2016 19:35 Jockmcplop wrote:
The deepest reason I can see for voting for Trump is that people believe that they have a right to offend others and a duty to carry out that right.
I'm sorry if this seems overly sarcastic or people are insulted by it (the irony isn't lost on me) but the guy is unable to put together any kind of coherent plan or belief system. People seem to be voting one by one for the offensive things he says because they like how offensive it is. Having a difference of opinion should not be offensive, yet it is to leftists especially the ones at university.This is the generation who demands "safe spaces" and "trigger warnings".Instead of debating ideas on their merits the left increasingly focuses on the race, gender, sexuality of who spouts those ideas.It is a worrying trend. Every action has an equal and opposite reaction. The left created Trump. aren't you a trump supporter? are you basically saying that you yourself comfortably consider yourself the 'insane extreme on the other side of the spectrum'? Not particularly.It's obvious a vote for Clinton is a vote for more of the same but i am seriously enjoying watching the establishment go after Trump.I am following Trump because Romney,Bush,Rove and the rest of the scum despise him. Like i said before, America is done.19 trillion in debt, completely bankrupt, the presidency is a poisoned chalice to whoever gets in.It does not matter who wins the economic outcome will be identical.
don't base your choices on economics if you don't understand them.
The debt is not a big issue and the US is far from bankrupt.
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On March 05 2016 22:39 puerk wrote:Show nested quote +On March 05 2016 22:29 Atreides wrote:
Also for the record I kind of just expect the ACA to die on its own because it doesnt actually work. I am well aware that Trump actually doesn't care about it and anyways as far as I can tell his platform doesn't actually have ANY priorities. :D weren't you the one complaining there is no police that works for him so you rather pay the penalty and then 2 people found insurances that were cheaper than your penalty and had good coverage.... maybe repeating "it does not work" over and over again and closing your eyes to evidence is part of the problem?
A whole bunch of people demonstrated that they have never in their entire lives had to buy health insurance for themselves. rofl. And certainly not pre- and post- ACA. Which is fine I guess, either still on parents, or went straight from parents to employer provided plans, or taxpayer pays for it. But spending 5 mins on google and telling me I could get insurance for 89$ a month is utterly hilarious.
The ACA really does not work for anyone who would have to buy their own insurance under it. This is trivially obvious as the whole reason to force those people to do it is to pay for deficits in the system. It happens to be particularly bad because of the ability to isolate populations by state, and that really screws Alaska. In fact the only insurance available that I could buy is so expensive I got out of the penalty anyways as it turned out. But yeh, its a personal sore point with me, and sure this is a relatively small percentage of the population that gets utterly screwed. So what, everyone has their issues they care about.
I'm not gonna try to discuss it though, I happened to be really pissed about it that day because I was working on my taxes and I just wanted to fuel my indignation some by confirming what I already knew about people who post in this thread.
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On March 05 2016 22:56 Gorsameth wrote:Show nested quote +On March 05 2016 22:52 iPlaY.NettleS wrote:On March 05 2016 21:10 Liquid`Drone wrote:On March 05 2016 20:53 iPlaY.NettleS wrote:On March 05 2016 19:35 Jockmcplop wrote:
The deepest reason I can see for voting for Trump is that people believe that they have a right to offend others and a duty to carry out that right.
I'm sorry if this seems overly sarcastic or people are insulted by it (the irony isn't lost on me) but the guy is unable to put together any kind of coherent plan or belief system. People seem to be voting one by one for the offensive things he says because they like how offensive it is. Having a difference of opinion should not be offensive, yet it is to leftists especially the ones at university.This is the generation who demands "safe spaces" and "trigger warnings".Instead of debating ideas on their merits the left increasingly focuses on the race, gender, sexuality of who spouts those ideas.It is a worrying trend. Every action has an equal and opposite reaction. The left created Trump. aren't you a trump supporter? are you basically saying that you yourself comfortably consider yourself the 'insane extreme on the other side of the spectrum'? Not particularly.It's obvious a vote for Clinton is a vote for more of the same but i am seriously enjoying watching the establishment go after Trump.I am following Trump because Romney,Bush,Rove and the rest of the scum despise him. Like i said before, America is done.19 trillion in debt, completely bankrupt, the presidency is a poisoned chalice to whoever gets in.It does not matter who wins the economic outcome will be identical. don't base your choices on economics if you don't understand them. The debt is not a big issue and the US is far from bankrupt.
Obama doubling the debt in 8 years is not a serious issue?
Thats not even taking into account unfunded liabilities - medicare, social security.Forbes has these unfunded liabilities at 127 trillion : http://www.forbes.com/sites/realspin/2014/01/17/you-think-the-deficit-is-bad-federal-unfunded-liabilities-exceed-127-trillion/#4f77f28910d3
Is this forum for real these days?
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On March 05 2016 23:04 iPlaY.NettleS wrote:Show nested quote +On March 05 2016 22:56 Gorsameth wrote:On March 05 2016 22:52 iPlaY.NettleS wrote:On March 05 2016 21:10 Liquid`Drone wrote:On March 05 2016 20:53 iPlaY.NettleS wrote:On March 05 2016 19:35 Jockmcplop wrote:
The deepest reason I can see for voting for Trump is that people believe that they have a right to offend others and a duty to carry out that right.
I'm sorry if this seems overly sarcastic or people are insulted by it (the irony isn't lost on me) but the guy is unable to put together any kind of coherent plan or belief system. People seem to be voting one by one for the offensive things he says because they like how offensive it is. Having a difference of opinion should not be offensive, yet it is to leftists especially the ones at university.This is the generation who demands "safe spaces" and "trigger warnings".Instead of debating ideas on their merits the left increasingly focuses on the race, gender, sexuality of who spouts those ideas.It is a worrying trend. Every action has an equal and opposite reaction. The left created Trump. aren't you a trump supporter? are you basically saying that you yourself comfortably consider yourself the 'insane extreme on the other side of the spectrum'? Not particularly.It's obvious a vote for Clinton is a vote for more of the same but i am seriously enjoying watching the establishment go after Trump.I am following Trump because Romney,Bush,Rove and the rest of the scum despise him. Like i said before, America is done.19 trillion in debt, completely bankrupt, the presidency is a poisoned chalice to whoever gets in.It does not matter who wins the economic outcome will be identical. don't base your choices on economics if you don't understand them. The debt is not a big issue and the US is far from bankrupt. Obama doubling the debt in 8 years is not a serious issue? Thats not even taking into account unfunded liabilities - medicare, social security.Forbes has these unfunded liabilities at 127 trillion : http://www.forbes.com/sites/realspin/2014/01/17/you-think-the-deficit-is-bad-federal-unfunded-liabilities-exceed-127-trillion/#4f77f28910d3Is this forum for real these days?
Actually, that over two year old article clearly states that the opinions of the author are not that of Forbes....
Upon further review, you've basically just cited a thinly veiled advertisement for a book written by a former Reform party candidate that is extremely anti-government liability. That's nice....
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On March 05 2016 23:08 farvacola wrote:Show nested quote +On March 05 2016 23:04 iPlaY.NettleS wrote:On March 05 2016 22:56 Gorsameth wrote:On March 05 2016 22:52 iPlaY.NettleS wrote:On March 05 2016 21:10 Liquid`Drone wrote:On March 05 2016 20:53 iPlaY.NettleS wrote:On March 05 2016 19:35 Jockmcplop wrote:
The deepest reason I can see for voting for Trump is that people believe that they have a right to offend others and a duty to carry out that right.
I'm sorry if this seems overly sarcastic or people are insulted by it (the irony isn't lost on me) but the guy is unable to put together any kind of coherent plan or belief system. People seem to be voting one by one for the offensive things he says because they like how offensive it is. Having a difference of opinion should not be offensive, yet it is to leftists especially the ones at university.This is the generation who demands "safe spaces" and "trigger warnings".Instead of debating ideas on their merits the left increasingly focuses on the race, gender, sexuality of who spouts those ideas.It is a worrying trend. Every action has an equal and opposite reaction. The left created Trump. aren't you a trump supporter? are you basically saying that you yourself comfortably consider yourself the 'insane extreme on the other side of the spectrum'? Not particularly.It's obvious a vote for Clinton is a vote for more of the same but i am seriously enjoying watching the establishment go after Trump.I am following Trump because Romney,Bush,Rove and the rest of the scum despise him. Like i said before, America is done.19 trillion in debt, completely bankrupt, the presidency is a poisoned chalice to whoever gets in.It does not matter who wins the economic outcome will be identical. don't base your choices on economics if you don't understand them. The debt is not a big issue and the US is far from bankrupt. Obama doubling the debt in 8 years is not a serious issue? Thats not even taking into account unfunded liabilities - medicare, social security.Forbes has these unfunded liabilities at 127 trillion : http://www.forbes.com/sites/realspin/2014/01/17/you-think-the-deficit-is-bad-federal-unfunded-liabilities-exceed-127-trillion/#4f77f28910d3Is this forum for real these days? Actually, that over two year old article clearly states that the opinions of the author are not that of Forbes.... Upon further review, you've basically just cited a thinly veiled advertisement for a book written by a former Reform party candidate that is extremely anti-government liability. That's nice....
Advertisement? Wow, democrats sure don't like hearing the truth about how bad the USA is doing.You're really clutching at straws.
The government is broke now, debt rising 1 trill a year, let alone in 10 years with all the boomers retiring on SS.Interest on the debt $223 billion last year, with rates at record lows!!!
Plus the fact the article is over two years old is meaningless.Why bring it up? These are future liabilities, which means the situation now is worse than what it was in 2014.The SS and medicare bill has risen since then yes?
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On March 05 2016 13:52 Liquid`Jinro wrote:Yes. And if people feel they just have to have a brain-measuring contest, then at least do so without all the snark.
just want to point out jinro casually made an appearance
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