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Sen. Rand Paul (R-Ky.) plans to force senators to vote on the State Department’s approval of $700 million worth of fighter jets to Pakistan using an obscure Senate rule that hasn’t been invoked in decades.
The Obama administration cleared the sale of eight F-16 fighter jets to Pakistan last month. But Paul is invoking the obscure Arms Export Control Act of 1976 in a bid to shoot down the sale with a resolution of disapproval.
"Over the last few years we have seen that Pakistan is an uncertain ally when it comes to cooperating with the United States,” Paul said in a statement. “As I travel in Kentucky, I meet countless individuals who are struggling to survive in this economy, we have no business sending hundreds of millions of dollars overseas."
The last time the Senate voted on such a resolution, according to Paul’s aides, was in 1986, when then-Sen. Alan Cranston (D-Calif.) forced a roll call on banning sales of certain missiles and defense services to Saudi Arabia.
Paul introduced the resolution that would block the sale of the F-16 aircraft to Pakistan on Feb. 25, two weeks after the administration announced it had approved the potential sale.
The junior Kentucky senator is using a little-known provision in the Arms Export Control Act of 1976 that allows any member of the Senate to secure a floor vote to disapprove an arms sale. Under the law, the senator must introduce a resolution of disapproval, and then wait 10 days for the Senate Foreign Relations Committee to act on the measure, according to the Congressional Research Service.
If the committee doesn’t take up the measure after 10 days, the senator can move to discharge that resolution from the committee with a floor vote. That vote is primarily procedural, and not necessarily an up-or-down vote on the resolution’s merits.
One senior Republican said it was likely that Paul would get such a vote on the floor sometime before the next recess, which begins the week of March 21, in between other Senate business.
"As I travel in Kentucky, I meet countless individuals who are struggling to survive in this economy, we have no business sending hundreds of millions of dollars overseas."
Planes build in America being sold to someone not in America (which is every plane not used by the US itself) is bad for the US.
I know lets, not build the planes and fire the America factory workers instead because we now no longer need them... /facepalm
On March 06 2016 02:27 xDaunt wrote: Immunity typically isn't granted unless testimony/evidence is being given for the purpose of pursuing charges against someone else. Smells like a grand jury to me.
On March 05 2016 19:35 Jockmcplop wrote: The deepest reason I can see for voting for Trump is that people believe that they have a right to offend others and a duty to carry out that right. I'm sorry if this seems overly sarcastic or people are insulted by it (the irony isn't lost on me) but the guy is unable to put together any kind of coherent plan or belief system. People seem to be voting one by one for the offensive things he says because they like how offensive it is.
Having a difference of opinion should not be offensive, yet it is to leftists especially the ones at university.This is the generation who demands "safe spaces" and "trigger warnings".Instead of debating ideas on their merits the left increasingly focuses on the race, gender, sexuality of who spouts those ideas.It is a worrying trend.
Every action has an equal and opposite reaction. The left created Trump.
Posts like this are really rich because they clearly display the massive dishonesty and hypocrisy displayed by many on the right when it comes to responsibility. They will be harping about "personal responsibility" all the time, but when it comes to the actual responsibility of the right/Republican party for literally anything, they'll always weasel their way into finding someone else to blame ("Thanks, Obama.").
The left did not create Trump. At all. The right created two things, which allowed for Trump's rise:
1. With regards to the whole debate on political correctness, the right took an epiphenomenon (yes, there have been some issues here and there on campuses with protests preventing some speakers from holding their conferences) and turned it into a giant caricature in order to have something to rally against. Cries about "political correctness" are usually cries about not being able to openly state racist and sexist views that are no longer deemed acceptable, because society has become more critical of bigots and the different routes through which bigotry is expressed and acted upon. Many people on the right have made this into a huge issue precisely because they would like to be seen as victims (another hilarious hypocrisy -- blaming people on the left who supposedly play the "victim card", when they're doing it all the time) instead of bigots, and because it's a useful tool to rile up and mobilize their base. When someone seen as a fierce opponent of "political correctness" therefore becomes popular notably due to that trait, you can blame the right for how prominent the issue has become as a caricature, not the left.
2. More importantly and fundamentally, the right is responsible for creating a climate of fear regarding pretty much all of the buttons that Trump is pushing: the idea that the U.S. is in a terrible state (not true), the idea that all other states walk over the U.S. on the international stage (not true), the idea that immigrants have a negative impact on the economy (not true), the idea that the U.S. would be better off without Obama's stimulus and its contribution to the debt (not true), the idea that there are easy solutions to ISIS that Obama is not pursuing (not true), the idea that Obama is a president who doesn't love the U.S. (not true), etc. etc. The right is entirely responsible for the bogeymen they've constructed about Obama, his policies, and the state of the U.S. for the last eight years, it is responsible for the inflammatory rhetoric they've employed on these topics, and it is responsible for the despicable tolerance it has shown towards extreme ideas and individuals in its ranks (did the left encourage Trump in his xenophobic insistence that Obama may not be an American? Or was that the right, as usual?).
The idea that the left created Trump is both factually false and a perfect example of the hypocrisy coming from the right on these issues. It'd be laughable if it wasn't a terrible sign regarding the state of American politics.
Both the left and the right created current state of Trump.
Left is too fiscally wasteful on how they want to spent the country's resources.
The right is too much of coward to go after Trump like the last Fox debate initially, now its too late.
Sen. Rand Paul (R-Ky.) plans to force senators to vote on the State Department’s approval of $700 million worth of fighter jets to Pakistan using an obscure Senate rule that hasn’t been invoked in decades.
The Obama administration cleared the sale of eight F-16 fighter jets to Pakistan last month. But Paul is invoking the obscure Arms Export Control Act of 1976 in a bid to shoot down the sale with a resolution of disapproval.
"Over the last few years we have seen that Pakistan is an uncertain ally when it comes to cooperating with the United States,” Paul said in a statement. “As I travel in Kentucky, I meet countless individuals who are struggling to survive in this economy, we have no business sending hundreds of millions of dollars overseas."
The last time the Senate voted on such a resolution, according to Paul’s aides, was in 1986, when then-Sen. Alan Cranston (D-Calif.) forced a roll call on banning sales of certain missiles and defense services to Saudi Arabia.
Paul introduced the resolution that would block the sale of the F-16 aircraft to Pakistan on Feb. 25, two weeks after the administration announced it had approved the potential sale.
The junior Kentucky senator is using a little-known provision in the Arms Export Control Act of 1976 that allows any member of the Senate to secure a floor vote to disapprove an arms sale. Under the law, the senator must introduce a resolution of disapproval, and then wait 10 days for the Senate Foreign Relations Committee to act on the measure, according to the Congressional Research Service.
If the committee doesn’t take up the measure after 10 days, the senator can move to discharge that resolution from the committee with a floor vote. That vote is primarily procedural, and not necessarily an up-or-down vote on the resolution’s merits.
One senior Republican said it was likely that Paul would get such a vote on the floor sometime before the next recess, which begins the week of March 21, in between other Senate business.
"As I travel in Kentucky, I meet countless individuals who are struggling to survive in this economy, we have no business sending hundreds of millions of dollars overseas."
Planes build in America being sold to someone not in America (which is every plane not used by the US itself) is bad for the US.
I know lets, not build the planes and fire the America factory workers instead because we now no longer need them... /facepalm
While the reasoning is awkward, I agree with the basic tenet that Pakistan is an uncertain ally and selling them jet fighters, even "old" ones like F-16s is a proposition that should be held under scrutiny.
On March 06 2016 02:27 xDaunt wrote: Immunity typically isn't granted unless testimony/evidence is being given for the purpose of pursuing charges against someone else. Smells like a grand jury to me.
They grant immunity all the time to low level operatives when trying to figure out what happened regarding things specifically because they do not actually want to charge the low level people they want to figure out what happened to figure out if they should charge the higher ups. Sometimes charges are filed in which case the immunity paid dividends and sometimes they are not in which case you gave immunity from a prosecution that did not happen so you lost nothing which is why its so common to give it in the first place.
On March 05 2016 19:35 Jockmcplop wrote: The deepest reason I can see for voting for Trump is that people believe that they have a right to offend others and a duty to carry out that right. I'm sorry if this seems overly sarcastic or people are insulted by it (the irony isn't lost on me) but the guy is unable to put together any kind of coherent plan or belief system. People seem to be voting one by one for the offensive things he says because they like how offensive it is.
Having a difference of opinion should not be offensive, yet it is to leftists especially the ones at university.This is the generation who demands "safe spaces" and "trigger warnings".Instead of debating ideas on their merits the left increasingly focuses on the race, gender, sexuality of who spouts those ideas.It is a worrying trend.
Every action has an equal and opposite reaction. The left created Trump.
Posts like this are really rich because they clearly display the massive dishonesty and hypocrisy displayed by many on the right when it comes to responsibility. They will be harping about "personal responsibility" all the time, but when it comes to the actual responsibility of the right/Republican party for literally anything, they'll always weasel their way into finding someone else to blame ("Thanks, Obama.").
The left did not create Trump. At all. The right created two things, which allowed for Trump's rise:
1. With regards to the whole debate on political correctness, the right took an epiphenomenon (yes, there have been some issues here and there on campuses with protests preventing some speakers from holding their conferences) and turned it into a giant caricature in order to have something to rally against. Cries about "political correctness" are usually cries about not being able to openly state racist and sexist views that are no longer deemed acceptable, because society has become more critical of bigots and the different routes through which bigotry is expressed and acted upon. Many people on the right have made this into a huge issue precisely because they would like to be seen as victims (another hilarious hypocrisy -- blaming people on the left who supposedly play the "victim card", when they're doing it all the time) instead of bigots, and because it's a useful tool to rile up and mobilize their base. When someone seen as a fierce opponent of "political correctness" therefore becomes popular notably due to that trait, you can blame the right for how prominent the issue has become as a caricature, not the left.
2. More importantly and fundamentally, the right is responsible for creating a climate of fear regarding pretty much all of the buttons that Trump is pushing: the idea that the U.S. is in a terrible state (not true), the idea that all other states walk over the U.S. on the international stage (not true), the idea that immigrants have a negative impact on the economy (not true), the idea that the U.S. would be better off without Obama's stimulus and its contribution to the debt (not true), the idea that there are easy solutions to ISIS that Obama is not pursuing (not true), the idea that Obama is a president who doesn't love the U.S. (not true), etc. etc. The right is entirely responsible for the bogeymen they've constructed about Obama, his policies, and the state of the U.S. for the last eight years, it is responsible for the inflammatory rhetoric they've employed on these topics, and it is responsible for the despicable tolerance it has shown towards extreme ideas and individuals in its ranks (did the left encourage Trump in his xenophobic insistence that Obama may not be an American? Or was that the right, as usual?).
The idea that the left created Trump is both factually false and a perfect example of the hypocrisy coming from the right on these issues. It'd be laughable if it wasn't a terrible sign regarding the state of American politics.
Both the left and the right created current state of Trump.
Left is too fiscally wasteful on how they want to spent the country's resources.
The right is too much of coward to go after Trump like the last Fox debate initially, now its too late.
False equivalence. I refer you to the post to which you replied.
On March 05 2016 19:35 Jockmcplop wrote: The deepest reason I can see for voting for Trump is that people believe that they have a right to offend others and a duty to carry out that right. I'm sorry if this seems overly sarcastic or people are insulted by it (the irony isn't lost on me) but the guy is unable to put together any kind of coherent plan or belief system. People seem to be voting one by one for the offensive things he says because they like how offensive it is.
Having a difference of opinion should not be offensive, yet it is to leftists especially the ones at university.This is the generation who demands "safe spaces" and "trigger warnings".Instead of debating ideas on their merits the left increasingly focuses on the race, gender, sexuality of who spouts those ideas.It is a worrying trend.
Every action has an equal and opposite reaction. The left created Trump.
Posts like this are really rich because they clearly display the massive dishonesty and hypocrisy displayed by many on the right when it comes to responsibility. They will be harping about "personal responsibility" all the time, but when it comes to the actual responsibility of the right/Republican party for literally anything, they'll always weasel their way into finding someone else to blame ("Thanks, Obama.").
The left did not create Trump. At all. The right created two things, which allowed for Trump's rise:
1. With regards to the whole debate on political correctness, the right took an epiphenomenon (yes, there have been some issues here and there on campuses with protests preventing some speakers from holding their conferences) and turned it into a giant caricature in order to have something to rally against. Cries about "political correctness" are usually cries about not being able to openly state racist and sexist views that are no longer deemed acceptable, because society has become more critical of bigots and the different routes through which bigotry is expressed and acted upon. Many people on the right have made this into a huge issue precisely because they would like to be seen as victims (another hilarious hypocrisy -- blaming people on the left who supposedly play the "victim card", when they're doing it all the time) instead of bigots, and because it's a useful tool to rile up and mobilize their base. When someone seen as a fierce opponent of "political correctness" therefore becomes popular notably due to that trait, you can blame the right for how prominent the issue has become as a caricature, not the left.
2. More importantly and fundamentally, the right is responsible for creating a climate of fear regarding pretty much all of the buttons that Trump is pushing: the idea that the U.S. is in a terrible state (not true), the idea that all other states walk over the U.S. on the international stage (not true), the idea that immigrants have a negative impact on the economy (not true), the idea that the U.S. would be better off without Obama's stimulus and its contribution to the debt (not true), the idea that there are easy solutions to ISIS that Obama is not pursuing (not true), the idea that Obama is a president who doesn't love the U.S. (not true), etc. etc. The right is entirely responsible for the bogeymen they've constructed about Obama, his policies, and the state of the U.S. for the last eight years, it is responsible for the inflammatory rhetoric they've employed on these topics, and it is responsible for the despicable tolerance it has shown towards extreme ideas and individuals in its ranks (did the left encourage Trump in his xenophobic insistence that Obama may not be an American? Or was that the right, as usual?).
The idea that the left created Trump is both factually false and a perfect example of the hypocrisy coming from the right on these issues. It'd be laughable if it wasn't a terrible sign regarding the state of American politics.
Both the left and the right created current state of Trump.
Left is too fiscally wasteful on how they want to spent the country's resources.
The right is too much of coward to go after Trump like the last Fox debate initially, now its too late.
False equivalence. I refer you to the post to which you replied.
On March 05 2016 19:35 Jockmcplop wrote: The deepest reason I can see for voting for Trump is that people believe that they have a right to offend others and a duty to carry out that right. I'm sorry if this seems overly sarcastic or people are insulted by it (the irony isn't lost on me) but the guy is unable to put together any kind of coherent plan or belief system. People seem to be voting one by one for the offensive things he says because they like how offensive it is.
Having a difference of opinion should not be offensive, yet it is to leftists especially the ones at university.This is the generation who demands "safe spaces" and "trigger warnings".Instead of debating ideas on their merits the left increasingly focuses on the race, gender, sexuality of who spouts those ideas.It is a worrying trend.
Every action has an equal and opposite reaction. The left created Trump.
Posts like this are really rich because they clearly display the massive dishonesty and hypocrisy displayed by many on the right when it comes to responsibility. They will be harping about "personal responsibility" all the time, but when it comes to the actual responsibility of the right/Republican party for literally anything, they'll always weasel their way into finding someone else to blame ("Thanks, Obama.").
The left did not create Trump. At all. The right created two things, which allowed for Trump's rise:
1. With regards to the whole debate on political correctness, the right took an epiphenomenon (yes, there have been some issues here and there on campuses with protests preventing some speakers from holding their conferences) and turned it into a giant caricature in order to have something to rally against. Cries about "political correctness" are usually cries about not being able to openly state racist and sexist views that are no longer deemed acceptable, because society has become more critical of bigots and the different routes through which bigotry is expressed and acted upon. Many people on the right have made this into a huge issue precisely because they would like to be seen as victims (another hilarious hypocrisy -- blaming people on the left who supposedly play the "victim card", when they're doing it all the time) instead of bigots, and because it's a useful tool to rile up and mobilize their base. When someone seen as a fierce opponent of "political correctness" therefore becomes popular notably due to that trait, you can blame the right for how prominent the issue has become as a caricature, not the left.
2. More importantly and fundamentally, the right is responsible for creating a climate of fear regarding pretty much all of the buttons that Trump is pushing: the idea that the U.S. is in a terrible state (not true), the idea that all other states walk over the U.S. on the international stage (not true), the idea that immigrants have a negative impact on the economy (not true), the idea that the U.S. would be better off without Obama's stimulus and its contribution to the debt (not true), the idea that there are easy solutions to ISIS that Obama is not pursuing (not true), the idea that Obama is a president who doesn't love the U.S. (not true), etc. etc. The right is entirely responsible for the bogeymen they've constructed about Obama, his policies, and the state of the U.S. for the last eight years, it is responsible for the inflammatory rhetoric they've employed on these topics, and it is responsible for the despicable tolerance it has shown towards extreme ideas and individuals in its ranks (did the left encourage Trump in his xenophobic insistence that Obama may not be an American? Or was that the right, as usual?).
The idea that the left created Trump is both factually false and a perfect example of the hypocrisy coming from the right on these issues. It'd be laughable if it wasn't a terrible sign regarding the state of American politics.
Both the left and the right created current state of Trump.
Left is too fiscally wasteful on how they want to spent the country's resources.
The right is too much of coward to go after Trump like the last Fox debate initially, now its too late.
False equivalence. I refer you to the post to which you replied.
It isn't making equivalence of anything.
Its fact.
It's fact the way that the big bang caused Trump. It explains absolutely nothing.
On March 05 2016 19:35 Jockmcplop wrote: The deepest reason I can see for voting for Trump is that people believe that they have a right to offend others and a duty to carry out that right. I'm sorry if this seems overly sarcastic or people are insulted by it (the irony isn't lost on me) but the guy is unable to put together any kind of coherent plan or belief system. People seem to be voting one by one for the offensive things he says because they like how offensive it is.
Having a difference of opinion should not be offensive, yet it is to leftists especially the ones at university.This is the generation who demands "safe spaces" and "trigger warnings".Instead of debating ideas on their merits the left increasingly focuses on the race, gender, sexuality of who spouts those ideas.It is a worrying trend.
Every action has an equal and opposite reaction. The left created Trump.
Posts like this are really rich because they clearly display the massive dishonesty and hypocrisy displayed by many on the right when it comes to responsibility. They will be harping about "personal responsibility" all the time, but when it comes to the actual responsibility of the right/Republican party for literally anything, they'll always weasel their way into finding someone else to blame ("Thanks, Obama.").
The left did not create Trump. At all. The right created two things, which allowed for Trump's rise:
1. With regards to the whole debate on political correctness, the right took an epiphenomenon (yes, there have been some issues here and there on campuses with protests preventing some speakers from holding their conferences) and turned it into a giant caricature in order to have something to rally against. Cries about "political correctness" are usually cries about not being able to openly state racist and sexist views that are no longer deemed acceptable, because society has become more critical of bigots and the different routes through which bigotry is expressed and acted upon. Many people on the right have made this into a huge issue precisely because they would like to be seen as victims (another hilarious hypocrisy -- blaming people on the left who supposedly play the "victim card", when they're doing it all the time) instead of bigots, and because it's a useful tool to rile up and mobilize their base. When someone seen as a fierce opponent of "political correctness" therefore becomes popular notably due to that trait, you can blame the right for how prominent the issue has become as a caricature, not the left.
2. More importantly and fundamentally, the right is responsible for creating a climate of fear regarding pretty much all of the buttons that Trump is pushing: the idea that the U.S. is in a terrible state (not true), the idea that all other states walk over the U.S. on the international stage (not true), the idea that immigrants have a negative impact on the economy (not true), the idea that the U.S. would be better off without Obama's stimulus and its contribution to the debt (not true), the idea that there are easy solutions to ISIS that Obama is not pursuing (not true), the idea that Obama is a president who doesn't love the U.S. (not true), etc. etc. The right is entirely responsible for the bogeymen they've constructed about Obama, his policies, and the state of the U.S. for the last eight years, it is responsible for the inflammatory rhetoric they've employed on these topics, and it is responsible for the despicable tolerance it has shown towards extreme ideas and individuals in its ranks (did the left encourage Trump in his xenophobic insistence that Obama may not be an American? Or was that the right, as usual?).
The idea that the left created Trump is both factually false and a perfect example of the hypocrisy coming from the right on these issues. It'd be laughable if it wasn't a terrible sign regarding the state of American politics.
Both the left and the right created current state of Trump.
Left is too fiscally wasteful on how they want to spent the country's resources.
The right is too much of coward to go after Trump like the last Fox debate initially, now its too late.
False equivalence. I refer you to the post to which you replied.
It isn't making equivalence of anything.
Its fact.
It's fact the way that the big bang caused Trump. It explains absolutely nothing.
Except that the Big Bang have a much bigger degree of separation to the current state of Trump.
On March 06 2016 00:30 Toadesstern wrote: if only there was a way to print more of the currency that all your debt is in... for the nation that has a monopoly on printing said currency.
I mean just going out of your way to print the trillion dollar coin like it was suggested a couple years ago obviously would have it's own consequences. I'd assume you'd make lots of people angry and people would be less willing to lend you money in the future. But it's literally impossible to be bankrupt as long as all your debt is in US$, isn't it?
Yes, but funnily there are historical episodes of it happening (though if I recall correctly they are in situations where the country is both in deep shit AND is still trying to maintain some sort of exchange rate control, like Russia in 1998).
Needless to say, in the US case things have to get much worse before it becomes a credible alternative to monetization.
On March 05 2016 19:35 Jockmcplop wrote: The deepest reason I can see for voting for Trump is that people believe that they have a right to offend others and a duty to carry out that right. I'm sorry if this seems overly sarcastic or people are insulted by it (the irony isn't lost on me) but the guy is unable to put together any kind of coherent plan or belief system. People seem to be voting one by one for the offensive things he says because they like how offensive it is.
Having a difference of opinion should not be offensive, yet it is to leftists especially the ones at university.This is the generation who demands "safe spaces" and "trigger warnings".Instead of debating ideas on their merits the left increasingly focuses on the race, gender, sexuality of who spouts those ideas.It is a worrying trend.
Every action has an equal and opposite reaction. The left created Trump.
Posts like this are really rich because they clearly display the massive dishonesty and hypocrisy displayed by many on the right when it comes to responsibility. They will be harping about "personal responsibility" all the time, but when it comes to the actual responsibility of the right/Republican party for literally anything, they'll always weasel their way into finding someone else to blame ("Thanks, Obama.").
The left did not create Trump. At all. The right created two things, which allowed for Trump's rise:
1. With regards to the whole debate on political correctness, the right took an epiphenomenon (yes, there have been some issues here and there on campuses with protests preventing some speakers from holding their conferences) and turned it into a giant caricature in order to have something to rally against. Cries about "political correctness" are usually cries about not being able to openly state racist and sexist views that are no longer deemed acceptable, because society has become more critical of bigots and the different routes through which bigotry is expressed and acted upon. Many people on the right have made this into a huge issue precisely because they would like to be seen as victims (another hilarious hypocrisy -- blaming people on the left who supposedly play the "victim card", when they're doing it all the time) instead of bigots, and because it's a useful tool to rile up and mobilize their base. When someone seen as a fierce opponent of "political correctness" therefore becomes popular notably due to that trait, you can blame the right for how prominent the issue has become as a caricature, not the left.
2. More importantly and fundamentally, the right is responsible for creating a climate of fear regarding pretty much all of the buttons that Trump is pushing: the idea that the U.S. is in a terrible state (not true), the idea that all other states walk over the U.S. on the international stage (not true), the idea that immigrants have a negative impact on the economy (not true), the idea that the U.S. would be better off without Obama's stimulus and its contribution to the debt (not true), the idea that there are easy solutions to ISIS that Obama is not pursuing (not true), the idea that Obama is a president who doesn't love the U.S. (not true), etc. etc. The right is entirely responsible for the bogeymen they've constructed about Obama, his policies, and the state of the U.S. for the last eight years, it is responsible for the inflammatory rhetoric they've employed on these topics, and it is responsible for the despicable tolerance it has shown towards extreme ideas and individuals in its ranks (did the left encourage Trump in his xenophobic insistence that Obama may not be an American? Or was that the right, as usual?).
The idea that the left created Trump is both factually false and a perfect example of the hypocrisy coming from the right on these issues. It'd be laughable if it wasn't a terrible sign regarding the state of American politics.
Both the left and the right created current state of Trump.
Left is too fiscally wasteful on how they want to spent the country's resources.
The right is too much of coward to go after Trump like the last Fox debate initially, now its too late.
False equivalence. I refer you to the post to which you replied.
It isn't making equivalence of anything.
Its fact.
Did you read your own post? You are portraying the right and the left has having equivalently contributed to the rise of Trump. "Left is too fiscally wasteful on how they want to spent the country's resources" is also not a fact. It's an opinion, and a simplistic and largely wrong one at that. Again, I refer you to my original post as to why the right is very much to blame for the rise of Trump.
I just find it hilarious how easy the left can characterize all of Donald Trump supporters as racists and bigots, despite his massive wide appeal among Americans, all while being unable to explain the falling rates of hate crime in America.
It's simply a supply and demand problem from the left. They need racists and bigots to fuel their cause, but they're running out of actual supply of racists and bigots, that they have to widen their definition every single time to compensate for their lack of actual supply.
Sen. Rand Paul (R-Ky.) plans to force senators to vote on the State Department’s approval of $700 million worth of fighter jets to Pakistan using an obscure Senate rule that hasn’t been invoked in decades.
The Obama administration cleared the sale of eight F-16 fighter jets to Pakistan last month. But Paul is invoking the obscure Arms Export Control Act of 1976 in a bid to shoot down the sale with a resolution of disapproval.
"Over the last few years we have seen that Pakistan is an uncertain ally when it comes to cooperating with the United States,” Paul said in a statement. “As I travel in Kentucky, I meet countless individuals who are struggling to survive in this economy, we have no business sending hundreds of millions of dollars overseas."
The last time the Senate voted on such a resolution, according to Paul’s aides, was in 1986, when then-Sen. Alan Cranston (D-Calif.) forced a roll call on banning sales of certain missiles and defense services to Saudi Arabia.
Paul introduced the resolution that would block the sale of the F-16 aircraft to Pakistan on Feb. 25, two weeks after the administration announced it had approved the potential sale.
The junior Kentucky senator is using a little-known provision in the Arms Export Control Act of 1976 that allows any member of the Senate to secure a floor vote to disapprove an arms sale. Under the law, the senator must introduce a resolution of disapproval, and then wait 10 days for the Senate Foreign Relations Committee to act on the measure, according to the Congressional Research Service.
If the committee doesn’t take up the measure after 10 days, the senator can move to discharge that resolution from the committee with a floor vote. That vote is primarily procedural, and not necessarily an up-or-down vote on the resolution’s merits.
One senior Republican said it was likely that Paul would get such a vote on the floor sometime before the next recess, which begins the week of March 21, in between other Senate business.
"As I travel in Kentucky, I meet countless individuals who are struggling to survive in this economy, we have no business sending hundreds of millions of dollars overseas."
Planes build in America being sold to someone not in America (which is every plane not used by the US itself) is bad for the US.
I know lets, not build the planes and fire the America factory workers instead because we now no longer need them... /facepalm
While the reasoning is awkward, I agree with the basic tenet that Pakistan is an uncertain ally and selling them jet fighters, even "old" ones like F-16s is a proposition that should be held under scrutiny.
And I can understand trying to withhold the planes because he doesn't trust Pakistan but don't try and elect fake sentiment by talking about the plight of the common American for no reason.
On March 06 2016 03:14 wei2coolman wrote: I just find it hilarious how easy the left can characterize all of Donald Trump supporters as racists and bigots, despite his massive wide appeal among Americans, all while being unable to explain the falling rates of hate crime in America.
It's simply a supply and demand problem from the left. They need racists and bigots to fuel their cause, but they're running out of actual supply of racists and bigots, that they have to widen their definition every single time to compensate for their lack of actual supply.
If we accept for the moment that Trump has made racist and bigot remarks then it must follow that his supporters are aware of these remarks. If they still want to vote for Trump despite him making racist and bigot remarks then they are presumably ok with those statements. If your ok with racist and/or bigot remarks you are (at least somewhat) a racist and a bigot.
On March 06 2016 03:14 wei2coolman wrote: I just find it hilarious how easy the left can characterize all of Donald Trump supporters as racists and bigots, despite his massive wide appeal among Americans, all while being unable to explain the falling rates of hate crime in America.
It's simply a supply and demand problem from the left. They need racists and bigots to fuel their cause, but they're running out of actual supply of racists and bigots, that they have to widen their definition every single time to compensate for their lack of actual supply.
Another ridiculous strawman -- nobody is characterizing "all of Donalt Trump supporters as racists and bigots". The reality is, however, that Trump does attract bigots and racists in huge numbers, more than any other candidate. This is extensively documented by exit polls on a variety of issues.
On March 06 2016 03:16 Nyxisto wrote: Donald Trump polls horribly among the general population. He only pollls well among GOP voting minorities.
You mean polling at around 40% for actual voting population is "horrible?"
Not good enough, if I remember correctly there's a strong historical trend that presidential candidates with low favorability ratings are very unlikely to win the general election.
Also the popularity Trump enjoys originates form the insults that he's throwing around. He's not going to survive the whole election cycle on walls and Muslim bans when he actually has to debate Democrats on serious issues.
On March 06 2016 03:14 wei2coolman wrote: I just find it hilarious how easy the left can characterize all of Donald Trump supporters as racists and bigots, despite his massive wide appeal among Americans, all while being unable to explain the falling rates of hate crime in America.
It's simply a supply and demand problem from the left. They need racists and bigots to fuel their cause, but they're running out of actual supply of racists and bigots, that they have to widen their definition every single time to compensate for their lack of actual supply.
If we accept for the moment that Trump has made racist and bigot remarks then it must follow that his supporters are aware of these remarks. If they still want to vote for Trump despite him making racist and bigot remarks then they are presumably ok with those statements. If your ok with racist and/or bigot remarks you are (at least somewhat) a racist and a bigot.
It really isn't that hard.
That's some serious logic skipping there.
Just because someone calls you a racist and bigot, doesn't make you one. Trump supporters realize this, and that's why every single time the media tries to call Trump, and his supporters racist, or bigot, the more support he gets. People have come to realize how silly it's become.
I mean we see an obvious media deflection of Trump supporter comments. People are seeing this kind of shit day in and day out from the media, and they've come to realize how silly it is to try and characterize a significant chunk of America as "racist and bigoted", because it doesn't mirror their actual day to day interactions, and how much the media is trying to push this idea of victimization that doesn't reflect reality.
On March 06 2016 03:14 wei2coolman wrote: I just find it hilarious how easy the left can characterize all of Donald Trump supporters as racists and bigots, despite his massive wide appeal among Americans, all while being unable to explain the falling rates of hate crime in America.
It's simply a supply and demand problem from the left. They need racists and bigots to fuel their cause, but they're running out of actual supply of racists and bigots, that they have to widen their definition every single time to compensate for their lack of actual supply.
If we accept for the moment that Trump has made racist and bigot remarks then it must follow that his supporters are aware of these remarks. If they still want to vote for Trump despite him making racist and bigot remarks then they are presumably ok with those statements. If your ok with racist and/or bigot remarks you are (at least somewhat) a racist and a bigot.
It really isn't that hard.
I disagree that it´s that straightforward. He is very similar to Geert Wilders in the Netherlands, and you cannot claim that everybody who supports Wilders is a racist and a bigot. There are plenty of people who are simply too pissed off, scared, and worried about the direction of the country to care about the racist undertones. I think the authoritarian angle in the Vox article I linked yesterday is a far more interesting explanation than the racism one.
On March 06 2016 03:14 wei2coolman wrote: I just find it hilarious how easy the left can characterize all of Donald Trump supporters as racists and bigots, despite his massive wide appeal among Americans, all while being unable to explain the falling rates of hate crime in America.
It's simply a supply and demand problem from the left. They need racists and bigots to fuel their cause, but they're running out of actual supply of racists and bigots, that they have to widen their definition every single time to compensate for their lack of actual supply.
If we accept for the moment that Trump has made racist and bigot remarks then it must follow that his supporters are aware of these remarks. If they still want to vote for Trump despite him making racist and bigot remarks then they are presumably ok with those statements. If your ok with racist and/or bigot remarks you are (at least somewhat) a racist and a bigot.
It really isn't that hard.
That's some serious logic skipping there.
Just because someone calls you a racist and bigot, doesn't make you one. Trump supporters realize this, and that's why every single time the media tries to call Trump, and his supporters racist, or bigot, the more support he gets. People have come to realize how silly it's become.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jcWbpGMzSjc I mean we see an obvious media deflection of Trump supporter comments. People are seeing this kind of shit day in and day out from the media, and they've come to realize how silly it is to try and characterize a significant chunk of America as "racist and bigoted", because it doesn't mirror their actual day to day interactions, and how much the media is trying to push this idea of victimization that doesn't reflect reality.
On the other hand, this type of blatant whitewashing also completely misses the mark. Trump has made it clear that he's not just not afraid of being called a bigot, but doubles down on the bigotry when it happens. I don't like the word racism, because it's too narrow, but Trump's own rhetoric is definitely discriminatory. And it's quite okay to call him out on it. But I doubt it'll work as an attack on Trump, because that isn't the aspect of Trump that his followers are worried about.
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