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On March 05 2016 21:18 SoSexy wrote:
Well, if in America a 'quite stupid' person can build an empire like Trump did, I can't imagine what an 'intelligent' one would do
Eh, reality TV isn't really the place to go for rewarding people based on merit. Not intellectual merit anyway.
I could be wrong though. Any other wealthy heirs who made a killing on reality TV as parodys of themselves? Kim Kardassian for Veep? Paris Hilton for Secretary of State?
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On March 06 2016 03:27 Yoav wrote:Show nested quote +On March 05 2016 21:18 SoSexy wrote:
Well, if in America a 'quite stupid' person can build an empire like Trump did, I can't imagine what an 'intelligent' one would do Eh, reality TV isn't really the place to go for rewarding people based on merit. Not intellectual merit anyway. I could be wrong though. Any other wealthy heirs who made a killing on reality TV as parodys of themselves? Kim Kardassian for Veep? Paris Hilton for Secretary of State?
He didn't make majority of his money off of reality TV...
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On March 06 2016 03:30 wei2coolman wrote:Show nested quote +On March 06 2016 03:27 Yoav wrote:On March 05 2016 21:18 SoSexy wrote:
Well, if in America a 'quite stupid' person can build an empire like Trump did, I can't imagine what an 'intelligent' one would do Eh, reality TV isn't really the place to go for rewarding people based on merit. Not intellectual merit anyway. I could be wrong though. Any other wealthy heirs who made a killing on reality TV as parodys of themselves? Kim Kardassian for Veep? Paris Hilton for Secretary of State? He didn't make majority of his money off of reality TV...
That's not what Yoav said.
And Yoav is right that Trump made a lot of money off reality tv by parodying himself.
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On March 06 2016 03:25 wei2coolman wrote:Show nested quote +On March 06 2016 03:20 Gorsameth wrote:On March 06 2016 03:14 wei2coolman wrote:
I just find it hilarious how easy the left can characterize all of Donald Trump supporters as racists and bigots, despite his massive wide appeal among Americans, all while being unable to explain the falling rates of hate crime in America.
It's simply a supply and demand problem from the left. They need racists and bigots to fuel their cause, but they're running out of actual supply of racists and bigots, that they have to widen their definition every single time to compensate for their lack of actual supply. If we accept for the moment that Trump has made racist and bigot remarks then it must follow that his supporters are aware of these remarks. If they still want to vote for Trump despite him making racist and bigot remarks then they are presumably ok with those statements. If your ok with racist and/or bigot remarks you are (at least somewhat) a racist and a bigot. It really isn't that hard. That's some serious logic skipping there. Just because someone calls you a racist and bigot, doesn't make you one. Trump supporters realize this, and that's why every single time the media tries to call Trump, and his supporters racist, or bigot, the more support he gets. People have come to realize how silly it's become. I mean we see an obvious media deflection of Trump supporter comments. People are seeing this kind of shit day in and day out from the media, and they've come to realize how silly it is to try and characterize a significant chunk of America as "racist and bigoted", because it doesn't mirror their actual day to day interactions, and how much the media is trying to push this idea of victimization that doesn't reflect reality.
Like I said:
On March 06 2016 03:21 kwizach wrote:Show nested quote +On March 06 2016 03:14 wei2coolman wrote:
I just find it hilarious how easy the left can characterize all of Donald Trump supporters as racists and bigots, despite his massive wide appeal among Americans, all while being unable to explain the falling rates of hate crime in America.
It's simply a supply and demand problem from the left. They need racists and bigots to fuel their cause, but they're running out of actual supply of racists and bigots, that they have to widen their definition every single time to compensate for their lack of actual supply. Another ridiculous strawman -- nobody is characterizing "all of Donalt Trump supporters as racists and bigots". The reality is, however, that Trump does attract bigots and racists in huge numbers, more than any other candidate. This is extensively documented by exit polls on a variety of issues.
It is factual that there are proportionally more racist and bigoted people supporting Trump than other candidates. That is the reality of the situation.
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On March 06 2016 03:00 kwizach wrote:Show nested quote +On March 06 2016 02:42 ErectedZenith wrote:On March 06 2016 02:41 kwizach wrote:On March 06 2016 02:35 ErectedZenith wrote:On March 06 2016 01:09 kwizach wrote:On March 05 2016 20:53 iPlaY.NettleS wrote:On March 05 2016 19:35 Jockmcplop wrote:
The deepest reason I can see for voting for Trump is that people believe that they have a right to offend others and a duty to carry out that right.
I'm sorry if this seems overly sarcastic or people are insulted by it (the irony isn't lost on me) but the guy is unable to put together any kind of coherent plan or belief system. People seem to be voting one by one for the offensive things he says because they like how offensive it is. Having a difference of opinion should not be offensive, yet it is to leftists especially the ones at university.This is the generation who demands "safe spaces" and "trigger warnings".Instead of debating ideas on their merits the left increasingly focuses on the race, gender, sexuality of who spouts those ideas.It is a worrying trend. Every action has an equal and opposite reaction. The left created Trump. Posts like this are really rich because they clearly display the massive dishonesty and hypocrisy displayed by many on the right when it comes to responsibility. They will be harping about "personal responsibility" all the time, but when it comes to the actual responsibility of the right/Republican party for literally anything, they'll always weasel their way into finding someone else to blame ("Thanks, Obama."). The left did not create Trump. At all. The right created two things, which allowed for Trump's rise: 1. With regards to the whole debate on political correctness, the right took an epiphenomenon (yes, there have been some issues here and there on campuses with protests preventing some speakers from holding their conferences) and turned it into a giant caricature in order to have something to rally against. Cries about "political correctness" are usually cries about not being able to openly state racist and sexist views that are no longer deemed acceptable, because society has become more critical of bigots and the different routes through which bigotry is expressed and acted upon. Many people on the right have made this into a huge issue precisely because they would like to be seen as victims (another hilarious hypocrisy -- blaming people on the left who supposedly play the "victim card", when they're doing it all the time) instead of bigots, and because it's a useful tool to rile up and mobilize their base. When someone seen as a fierce opponent of "political correctness" therefore becomes popular notably due to that trait, you can blame the right for how prominent the issue has become as a caricature, not the left. 2. More importantly and fundamentally, the right is responsible for creating a climate of fear regarding pretty much all of the buttons that Trump is pushing: the idea that the U.S. is in a terrible state (not true), the idea that all other states walk over the U.S. on the international stage (not true), the idea that immigrants have a negative impact on the economy (not true), the idea that the U.S. would be better off without Obama's stimulus and its contribution to the debt (not true), the idea that there are easy solutions to ISIS that Obama is not pursuing (not true), the idea that Obama is a president who doesn't love the U.S. (not true), etc. etc. The right is entirely responsible for the bogeymen they've constructed about Obama, his policies, and the state of the U.S. for the last eight years, it is responsible for the inflammatory rhetoric they've employed on these topics, and it is responsible for the despicable tolerance it has shown towards extreme ideas and individuals in its ranks (did the left encourage Trump in his xenophobic insistence that Obama may not be an American? Or was that the right, as usual?). The idea that the left created Trump is both factually false and a perfect example of the hypocrisy coming from the right on these issues. It'd be laughable if it wasn't a terrible sign regarding the state of American politics. Both the left and the right created current state of Trump. Left is too fiscally wasteful on how they want to spent the country's resources. The right is too much of coward to go after Trump like the last Fox debate initially, now its too late. False equivalence. I refer you to the post to which you replied. It isn't making equivalence of anything. Its fact. Did you read your own post? You are portraying the right and the left has having equivalently contributed to the rise of Trump. "Left is too fiscally wasteful on how they want to spent the country's resources" is also not a fact. It's an opinion, and a simplistic and largely wrong one at that. Again, I refer you to my original post as to why the right is very much to blame for the rise of Trump.
I didn't say they equivalenty contributed rise of Trump.
It wasn't equally contributed at all.
The Left have done much more to the rise of Trump much more than the Right.
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No, he inherited a ton of it, got lucky in some real estate purchases, then made a zillion companies to exploit bankruptcy law when half of them went belly up, then made money on a book selling people on how to be him, THEN became a reality TV star.
I was being generous by calling him a reality TV star because I didn't want to say con-man.
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On March 06 2016 03:34 ErectedZenith wrote:Show nested quote +On March 06 2016 03:00 kwizach wrote:On March 06 2016 02:42 ErectedZenith wrote:On March 06 2016 02:41 kwizach wrote:On March 06 2016 02:35 ErectedZenith wrote:On March 06 2016 01:09 kwizach wrote:On March 05 2016 20:53 iPlaY.NettleS wrote:On March 05 2016 19:35 Jockmcplop wrote:
The deepest reason I can see for voting for Trump is that people believe that they have a right to offend others and a duty to carry out that right.
I'm sorry if this seems overly sarcastic or people are insulted by it (the irony isn't lost on me) but the guy is unable to put together any kind of coherent plan or belief system. People seem to be voting one by one for the offensive things he says because they like how offensive it is. Having a difference of opinion should not be offensive, yet it is to leftists especially the ones at university.This is the generation who demands "safe spaces" and "trigger warnings".Instead of debating ideas on their merits the left increasingly focuses on the race, gender, sexuality of who spouts those ideas.It is a worrying trend. Every action has an equal and opposite reaction. The left created Trump. Posts like this are really rich because they clearly display the massive dishonesty and hypocrisy displayed by many on the right when it comes to responsibility. They will be harping about "personal responsibility" all the time, but when it comes to the actual responsibility of the right/Republican party for literally anything, they'll always weasel their way into finding someone else to blame ("Thanks, Obama."). The left did not create Trump. At all. The right created two things, which allowed for Trump's rise: 1. With regards to the whole debate on political correctness, the right took an epiphenomenon (yes, there have been some issues here and there on campuses with protests preventing some speakers from holding their conferences) and turned it into a giant caricature in order to have something to rally against. Cries about "political correctness" are usually cries about not being able to openly state racist and sexist views that are no longer deemed acceptable, because society has become more critical of bigots and the different routes through which bigotry is expressed and acted upon. Many people on the right have made this into a huge issue precisely because they would like to be seen as victims (another hilarious hypocrisy -- blaming people on the left who supposedly play the "victim card", when they're doing it all the time) instead of bigots, and because it's a useful tool to rile up and mobilize their base. When someone seen as a fierce opponent of "political correctness" therefore becomes popular notably due to that trait, you can blame the right for how prominent the issue has become as a caricature, not the left. 2. More importantly and fundamentally, the right is responsible for creating a climate of fear regarding pretty much all of the buttons that Trump is pushing: the idea that the U.S. is in a terrible state (not true), the idea that all other states walk over the U.S. on the international stage (not true), the idea that immigrants have a negative impact on the economy (not true), the idea that the U.S. would be better off without Obama's stimulus and its contribution to the debt (not true), the idea that there are easy solutions to ISIS that Obama is not pursuing (not true), the idea that Obama is a president who doesn't love the U.S. (not true), etc. etc. The right is entirely responsible for the bogeymen they've constructed about Obama, his policies, and the state of the U.S. for the last eight years, it is responsible for the inflammatory rhetoric they've employed on these topics, and it is responsible for the despicable tolerance it has shown towards extreme ideas and individuals in its ranks (did the left encourage Trump in his xenophobic insistence that Obama may not be an American? Or was that the right, as usual?). The idea that the left created Trump is both factually false and a perfect example of the hypocrisy coming from the right on these issues. It'd be laughable if it wasn't a terrible sign regarding the state of American politics. Both the left and the right created current state of Trump. Left is too fiscally wasteful on how they want to spent the country's resources. The right is too much of coward to go after Trump like the last Fox debate initially, now its too late. False equivalence. I refer you to the post to which you replied. It isn't making equivalence of anything. Its fact. Did you read your own post? You are portraying the right and the left has having equivalently contributed to the rise of Trump. "Left is too fiscally wasteful on how they want to spent the country's resources" is also not a fact. It's an opinion, and a simplistic and largely wrong one at that. Again, I refer you to my original post as to why the right is very much to blame for the rise of Trump. I didn't say they equivalenty contributed rise of Trump. It wasn't equally contributed at all. The Left have done much more to the rise of Trump much more than the Right.
I refuted that idea in my original post. You're wrong, not much more to add. There is zero substance to support that ridiculous assertion of yours.
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On March 06 2016 02:18 kwizach wrote:
She said "most transparent public official in modern times". I don't really see that as an outrageous statement, but I'll welcome evidence of the contrary if you have any. What has she not been transparent about as a public official?
It was a bad line, politically. Anyone who says, "I'm the most _______" is eliciting a recoil reaction, in particular with her and transparency (whether she's actually transparent is irrelevant, she's perceived as not being transparent.)
Her response was good aside from that, but that one line was wholly unnecessary and will probably make its way into a bunch of political attack ads, where the public will think "she's full of herself."
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On March 06 2016 03:35 Yoav wrote:
No, he inherited a ton of it, got lucky in some real estate purchases, then made a zillion companies to exploit bankruptcy law when half of them went belly up, then made money on a book selling people on how to be him, THEN became a reality TV star.
I was being generous by calling him a reality TV star because I didn't want to say con-man.
Hahahaha, I love populist characterizations of rich people, it becomes hilariously amusing.
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On March 06 2016 03:39 wei2coolman wrote:Show nested quote +On March 06 2016 03:35 Yoav wrote:
No, he inherited a ton of it, got lucky in some real estate purchases, then made a zillion companies to exploit bankruptcy law when half of them went belly up, then made money on a book selling people on how to be him, THEN became a reality TV star.
I was being generous by calling him a reality TV star because I didn't want to say con-man. Hahahaha, I love populist characterizations of rich people, it becomes hilariously amusing.
Trump is one of the few people better at destroying jobs (declaring bankruptcy) than Romney.
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On March 06 2016 03:39 wei2coolman wrote:Show nested quote +On March 06 2016 03:35 Yoav wrote:
No, he inherited a ton of it, got lucky in some real estate purchases, then made a zillion companies to exploit bankruptcy law when half of them went belly up, then made money on a book selling people on how to be him, THEN became a reality TV star.
I was being generous by calling him a reality TV star because I didn't want to say con-man. Hahahaha, I love populist characterizations of rich people, it becomes hilariously amusing.
Out of curiosity, which parts of Yoav's characterization are inaccurate? Perhaps the "getting lucky" part is subjective, but Trump was absolutely born and raised with a silver spoon in his mouth; he's not self-made, and he did declare bankruptcy ?four? different times.
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On March 06 2016 03:36 kwizach wrote:Show nested quote +On March 06 2016 03:34 ErectedZenith wrote:On March 06 2016 03:00 kwizach wrote:On March 06 2016 02:42 ErectedZenith wrote:On March 06 2016 02:41 kwizach wrote:On March 06 2016 02:35 ErectedZenith wrote:On March 06 2016 01:09 kwizach wrote:On March 05 2016 20:53 iPlaY.NettleS wrote:On March 05 2016 19:35 Jockmcplop wrote:
The deepest reason I can see for voting for Trump is that people believe that they have a right to offend others and a duty to carry out that right.
I'm sorry if this seems overly sarcastic or people are insulted by it (the irony isn't lost on me) but the guy is unable to put together any kind of coherent plan or belief system. People seem to be voting one by one for the offensive things he says because they like how offensive it is. Having a difference of opinion should not be offensive, yet it is to leftists especially the ones at university.This is the generation who demands "safe spaces" and "trigger warnings".Instead of debating ideas on their merits the left increasingly focuses on the race, gender, sexuality of who spouts those ideas.It is a worrying trend. Every action has an equal and opposite reaction. The left created Trump. Posts like this are really rich because they clearly display the massive dishonesty and hypocrisy displayed by many on the right when it comes to responsibility. They will be harping about "personal responsibility" all the time, but when it comes to the actual responsibility of the right/Republican party for literally anything, they'll always weasel their way into finding someone else to blame ("Thanks, Obama."). The left did not create Trump. At all. The right created two things, which allowed for Trump's rise: 1. With regards to the whole debate on political correctness, the right took an epiphenomenon (yes, there have been some issues here and there on campuses with protests preventing some speakers from holding their conferences) and turned it into a giant caricature in order to have something to rally against. Cries about "political correctness" are usually cries about not being able to openly state racist and sexist views that are no longer deemed acceptable, because society has become more critical of bigots and the different routes through which bigotry is expressed and acted upon. Many people on the right have made this into a huge issue precisely because they would like to be seen as victims (another hilarious hypocrisy -- blaming people on the left who supposedly play the "victim card", when they're doing it all the time) instead of bigots, and because it's a useful tool to rile up and mobilize their base. When someone seen as a fierce opponent of "political correctness" therefore becomes popular notably due to that trait, you can blame the right for how prominent the issue has become as a caricature, not the left. 2. More importantly and fundamentally, the right is responsible for creating a climate of fear regarding pretty much all of the buttons that Trump is pushing: the idea that the U.S. is in a terrible state (not true), the idea that all other states walk over the U.S. on the international stage (not true), the idea that immigrants have a negative impact on the economy (not true), the idea that the U.S. would be better off without Obama's stimulus and its contribution to the debt (not true), the idea that there are easy solutions to ISIS that Obama is not pursuing (not true), the idea that Obama is a president who doesn't love the U.S. (not true), etc. etc. The right is entirely responsible for the bogeymen they've constructed about Obama, his policies, and the state of the U.S. for the last eight years, it is responsible for the inflammatory rhetoric they've employed on these topics, and it is responsible for the despicable tolerance it has shown towards extreme ideas and individuals in its ranks (did the left encourage Trump in his xenophobic insistence that Obama may not be an American? Or was that the right, as usual?). The idea that the left created Trump is both factually false and a perfect example of the hypocrisy coming from the right on these issues. It'd be laughable if it wasn't a terrible sign regarding the state of American politics. Both the left and the right created current state of Trump. Left is too fiscally wasteful on how they want to spent the country's resources. The right is too much of coward to go after Trump like the last Fox debate initially, now its too late. False equivalence. I refer you to the post to which you replied. It isn't making equivalence of anything. Its fact. Did you read your own post? You are portraying the right and the left has having equivalently contributed to the rise of Trump. "Left is too fiscally wasteful on how they want to spent the country's resources" is also not a fact. It's an opinion, and a simplistic and largely wrong one at that. Again, I refer you to my original post as to why the right is very much to blame for the rise of Trump. I didn't say they equivalenty contributed rise of Trump. It wasn't equally contributed at all. The Left have done much more to the rise of Trump much more than the Right. I refuted that idea in my original post. You're wrong, not much more to add. There is zero substance to support that ridiculous assertion of yours.
You are assuming that he is a racist/sexist, which is a ridiculous assertion just by itself.
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On March 06 2016 03:48 ErectedZenith wrote:Show nested quote +On March 06 2016 03:36 kwizach wrote:On March 06 2016 03:34 ErectedZenith wrote:On March 06 2016 03:00 kwizach wrote:On March 06 2016 02:42 ErectedZenith wrote:On March 06 2016 02:41 kwizach wrote:On March 06 2016 02:35 ErectedZenith wrote:On March 06 2016 01:09 kwizach wrote:On March 05 2016 20:53 iPlaY.NettleS wrote:On March 05 2016 19:35 Jockmcplop wrote:
The deepest reason I can see for voting for Trump is that people believe that they have a right to offend others and a duty to carry out that right.
I'm sorry if this seems overly sarcastic or people are insulted by it (the irony isn't lost on me) but the guy is unable to put together any kind of coherent plan or belief system. People seem to be voting one by one for the offensive things he says because they like how offensive it is. Having a difference of opinion should not be offensive, yet it is to leftists especially the ones at university.This is the generation who demands "safe spaces" and "trigger warnings".Instead of debating ideas on their merits the left increasingly focuses on the race, gender, sexuality of who spouts those ideas.It is a worrying trend. Every action has an equal and opposite reaction. The left created Trump. Posts like this are really rich because they clearly display the massive dishonesty and hypocrisy displayed by many on the right when it comes to responsibility. They will be harping about "personal responsibility" all the time, but when it comes to the actual responsibility of the right/Republican party for literally anything, they'll always weasel their way into finding someone else to blame ("Thanks, Obama."). The left did not create Trump. At all. The right created two things, which allowed for Trump's rise: 1. With regards to the whole debate on political correctness, the right took an epiphenomenon (yes, there have been some issues here and there on campuses with protests preventing some speakers from holding their conferences) and turned it into a giant caricature in order to have something to rally against. Cries about "political correctness" are usually cries about not being able to openly state racist and sexist views that are no longer deemed acceptable, because society has become more critical of bigots and the different routes through which bigotry is expressed and acted upon. Many people on the right have made this into a huge issue precisely because they would like to be seen as victims (another hilarious hypocrisy -- blaming people on the left who supposedly play the "victim card", when they're doing it all the time) instead of bigots, and because it's a useful tool to rile up and mobilize their base. When someone seen as a fierce opponent of "political correctness" therefore becomes popular notably due to that trait, you can blame the right for how prominent the issue has become as a caricature, not the left. 2. More importantly and fundamentally, the right is responsible for creating a climate of fear regarding pretty much all of the buttons that Trump is pushing: the idea that the U.S. is in a terrible state (not true), the idea that all other states walk over the U.S. on the international stage (not true), the idea that immigrants have a negative impact on the economy (not true), the idea that the U.S. would be better off without Obama's stimulus and its contribution to the debt (not true), the idea that there are easy solutions to ISIS that Obama is not pursuing (not true), the idea that Obama is a president who doesn't love the U.S. (not true), etc. etc. The right is entirely responsible for the bogeymen they've constructed about Obama, his policies, and the state of the U.S. for the last eight years, it is responsible for the inflammatory rhetoric they've employed on these topics, and it is responsible for the despicable tolerance it has shown towards extreme ideas and individuals in its ranks (did the left encourage Trump in his xenophobic insistence that Obama may not be an American? Or was that the right, as usual?). The idea that the left created Trump is both factually false and a perfect example of the hypocrisy coming from the right on these issues. It'd be laughable if it wasn't a terrible sign regarding the state of American politics. Both the left and the right created current state of Trump. Left is too fiscally wasteful on how they want to spent the country's resources. The right is too much of coward to go after Trump like the last Fox debate initially, now its too late. False equivalence. I refer you to the post to which you replied. It isn't making equivalence of anything. Its fact. Did you read your own post? You are portraying the right and the left has having equivalently contributed to the rise of Trump. "Left is too fiscally wasteful on how they want to spent the country's resources" is also not a fact. It's an opinion, and a simplistic and largely wrong one at that. Again, I refer you to my original post as to why the right is very much to blame for the rise of Trump. I didn't say they equivalenty contributed rise of Trump. It wasn't equally contributed at all. The Left have done much more to the rise of Trump much more than the Right. I refuted that idea in my original post. You're wrong, not much more to add. There is zero substance to support that ridiculous assertion of yours. You are assuming that he is a racist/sexist, which is a ridiculous assertion just by itself.
Yeah.. you're just mad because you have blood coming out of your whatever...
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On March 06 2016 03:43 DarkPlasmaBall wrote:Show nested quote +On March 06 2016 03:39 wei2coolman wrote:On March 06 2016 03:35 Yoav wrote:
No, he inherited a ton of it, got lucky in some real estate purchases, then made a zillion companies to exploit bankruptcy law when half of them went belly up, then made money on a book selling people on how to be him, THEN became a reality TV star.
I was being generous by calling him a reality TV star because I didn't want to say con-man. Hahahaha, I love populist characterizations of rich people, it becomes hilariously amusing. Out of curiosity, which parts of Yoav's characterization are inaccurate? Perhaps the "getting lucky" part is subjective, but Trump was absolutely born and raised with a silver spoon in his mouth; he's not self-made, and he did declare bankruptcy ?four? different times.
Again, it's cute how populist characterization of bankruptcy is seen.
Listing the number of successful property ventures vs his bankruptcy, makes those bankruptcies minuscule in comparison to his actual business ventures.
Secondly, majority of those bankruptcies are re-organizational bankruptcies, chapter 11, which allows him to reorganize his business so he can pay off lenders so the business can continue (THUS KEEPING JOBS ALIVE), instead of completely shutting down the business.
http://www.politifact.com/truth-o-meter/statements/2015/sep/21/carly-fiorina/trumps-four-bankruptcies/
here's a much better read.
On March 06 2016 03:50 Acrofales wrote:Show nested quote +On March 06 2016 03:48 ErectedZenith wrote:On March 06 2016 03:36 kwizach wrote:On March 06 2016 03:34 ErectedZenith wrote:On March 06 2016 03:00 kwizach wrote:On March 06 2016 02:42 ErectedZenith wrote:On March 06 2016 02:41 kwizach wrote:On March 06 2016 02:35 ErectedZenith wrote:On March 06 2016 01:09 kwizach wrote:On March 05 2016 20:53 iPlaY.NettleS wrote:
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Having a difference of opinion should not be offensive, yet it is to leftists especially the ones at university.This is the generation who demands "safe spaces" and "trigger warnings".Instead of debating ideas on their merits the left increasingly focuses on the race, gender, sexuality of who spouts those ideas.It is a worrying trend.
Every action has an equal and opposite reaction.
The left created Trump. Posts like this are really rich because they clearly display the massive dishonesty and hypocrisy displayed by many on the right when it comes to responsibility. They will be harping about "personal responsibility" all the time, but when it comes to the actual responsibility of the right/Republican party for literally anything, they'll always weasel their way into finding someone else to blame ("Thanks, Obama."). The left did not create Trump. At all. The right created two things, which allowed for Trump's rise: 1. With regards to the whole debate on political correctness, the right took an epiphenomenon (yes, there have been some issues here and there on campuses with protests preventing some speakers from holding their conferences) and turned it into a giant caricature in order to have something to rally against. Cries about "political correctness" are usually cries about not being able to openly state racist and sexist views that are no longer deemed acceptable, because society has become more critical of bigots and the different routes through which bigotry is expressed and acted upon. Many people on the right have made this into a huge issue precisely because they would like to be seen as victims (another hilarious hypocrisy -- blaming people on the left who supposedly play the "victim card", when they're doing it all the time) instead of bigots, and because it's a useful tool to rile up and mobilize their base. When someone seen as a fierce opponent of "political correctness" therefore becomes popular notably due to that trait, you can blame the right for how prominent the issue has become as a caricature, not the left. 2. More importantly and fundamentally, the right is responsible for creating a climate of fear regarding pretty much all of the buttons that Trump is pushing: the idea that the U.S. is in a terrible state (not true), the idea that all other states walk over the U.S. on the international stage (not true), the idea that immigrants have a negative impact on the economy (not true), the idea that the U.S. would be better off without Obama's stimulus and its contribution to the debt (not true), the idea that there are easy solutions to ISIS that Obama is not pursuing (not true), the idea that Obama is a president who doesn't love the U.S. (not true), etc. etc. The right is entirely responsible for the bogeymen they've constructed about Obama, his policies, and the state of the U.S. for the last eight years, it is responsible for the inflammatory rhetoric they've employed on these topics, and it is responsible for the despicable tolerance it has shown towards extreme ideas and individuals in its ranks (did the left encourage Trump in his xenophobic insistence that Obama may not be an American? Or was that the right, as usual?). The idea that the left created Trump is both factually false and a perfect example of the hypocrisy coming from the right on these issues. It'd be laughable if it wasn't a terrible sign regarding the state of American politics. Both the left and the right created current state of Trump. Left is too fiscally wasteful on how they want to spent the country's resources. The right is too much of coward to go after Trump like the last Fox debate initially, now its too late. False equivalence. I refer you to the post to which you replied. It isn't making equivalence of anything. Its fact. Did you read your own post? You are portraying the right and the left has having equivalently contributed to the rise of Trump. "Left is too fiscally wasteful on how they want to spent the country's resources" is also not a fact. It's an opinion, and a simplistic and largely wrong one at that. Again, I refer you to my original post as to why the right is very much to blame for the rise of Trump. I didn't say they equivalenty contributed rise of Trump. It wasn't equally contributed at all. The Left have done much more to the rise of Trump much more than the Right. I refuted that idea in my original post. You're wrong, not much more to add. There is zero substance to support that ridiculous assertion of yours. You are assuming that he is a racist/sexist, which is a ridiculous assertion just by itself. Yeah.. you're just mad because you have blood coming out of your whatever...
You mean making a crack at someone based on a known physiological process?
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On March 06 2016 03:48 ErectedZenith wrote:Show nested quote +On March 06 2016 03:36 kwizach wrote:On March 06 2016 03:34 ErectedZenith wrote:On March 06 2016 03:00 kwizach wrote:On March 06 2016 02:42 ErectedZenith wrote:On March 06 2016 02:41 kwizach wrote:On March 06 2016 02:35 ErectedZenith wrote:On March 06 2016 01:09 kwizach wrote:On March 05 2016 20:53 iPlaY.NettleS wrote:On March 05 2016 19:35 Jockmcplop wrote:
The deepest reason I can see for voting for Trump is that people believe that they have a right to offend others and a duty to carry out that right.
I'm sorry if this seems overly sarcastic or people are insulted by it (the irony isn't lost on me) but the guy is unable to put together any kind of coherent plan or belief system. People seem to be voting one by one for the offensive things he says because they like how offensive it is. Having a difference of opinion should not be offensive, yet it is to leftists especially the ones at university.This is the generation who demands "safe spaces" and "trigger warnings".Instead of debating ideas on their merits the left increasingly focuses on the race, gender, sexuality of who spouts those ideas.It is a worrying trend. Every action has an equal and opposite reaction. The left created Trump. Posts like this are really rich because they clearly display the massive dishonesty and hypocrisy displayed by many on the right when it comes to responsibility. They will be harping about "personal responsibility" all the time, but when it comes to the actual responsibility of the right/Republican party for literally anything, they'll always weasel their way into finding someone else to blame ("Thanks, Obama."). The left did not create Trump. At all. The right created two things, which allowed for Trump's rise: 1. With regards to the whole debate on political correctness, the right took an epiphenomenon (yes, there have been some issues here and there on campuses with protests preventing some speakers from holding their conferences) and turned it into a giant caricature in order to have something to rally against. Cries about "political correctness" are usually cries about not being able to openly state racist and sexist views that are no longer deemed acceptable, because society has become more critical of bigots and the different routes through which bigotry is expressed and acted upon. Many people on the right have made this into a huge issue precisely because they would like to be seen as victims (another hilarious hypocrisy -- blaming people on the left who supposedly play the "victim card", when they're doing it all the time) instead of bigots, and because it's a useful tool to rile up and mobilize their base. When someone seen as a fierce opponent of "political correctness" therefore becomes popular notably due to that trait, you can blame the right for how prominent the issue has become as a caricature, not the left. 2. More importantly and fundamentally, the right is responsible for creating a climate of fear regarding pretty much all of the buttons that Trump is pushing: the idea that the U.S. is in a terrible state (not true), the idea that all other states walk over the U.S. on the international stage (not true), the idea that immigrants have a negative impact on the economy (not true), the idea that the U.S. would be better off without Obama's stimulus and its contribution to the debt (not true), the idea that there are easy solutions to ISIS that Obama is not pursuing (not true), the idea that Obama is a president who doesn't love the U.S. (not true), etc. etc. The right is entirely responsible for the bogeymen they've constructed about Obama, his policies, and the state of the U.S. for the last eight years, it is responsible for the inflammatory rhetoric they've employed on these topics, and it is responsible for the despicable tolerance it has shown towards extreme ideas and individuals in its ranks (did the left encourage Trump in his xenophobic insistence that Obama may not be an American? Or was that the right, as usual?). The idea that the left created Trump is both factually false and a perfect example of the hypocrisy coming from the right on these issues. It'd be laughable if it wasn't a terrible sign regarding the state of American politics. Both the left and the right created current state of Trump. Left is too fiscally wasteful on how they want to spent the country's resources. The right is too much of coward to go after Trump like the last Fox debate initially, now its too late. False equivalence. I refer you to the post to which you replied. It isn't making equivalence of anything. Its fact. Did you read your own post? You are portraying the right and the left has having equivalently contributed to the rise of Trump. "Left is too fiscally wasteful on how they want to spent the country's resources" is also not a fact. It's an opinion, and a simplistic and largely wrong one at that. Again, I refer you to my original post as to why the right is very much to blame for the rise of Trump. I didn't say they equivalenty contributed rise of Trump. It wasn't equally contributed at all. The Left have done much more to the rise of Trump much more than the Right. I refuted that idea in my original post. You're wrong, not much more to add. There is zero substance to support that ridiculous assertion of yours. You are assuming that he is a racist/sexist, which is a ridiculous assertion just by itself.
Such an assertion is not part of my original post explaining why the right is responsible for Trump's rise, so try again. He is clearly sexist though, and has made more than enough statements with heavily racist/xenophobic undertones (and more than that) to justify criticizing him on that front.
edit: also, notice how wei2coolman is carefully ignoring my two replies to him in which I cite polls showing Trump has more racist and bigoted supporters than the other candidates. Predictable.
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On March 06 2016 03:51 wei2coolman wrote:Show nested quote +On March 06 2016 03:43 DarkPlasmaBall wrote:On March 06 2016 03:39 wei2coolman wrote:On March 06 2016 03:35 Yoav wrote:
No, he inherited a ton of it, got lucky in some real estate purchases, then made a zillion companies to exploit bankruptcy law when half of them went belly up, then made money on a book selling people on how to be him, THEN became a reality TV star.
I was being generous by calling him a reality TV star because I didn't want to say con-man. Hahahaha, I love populist characterizations of rich people, it becomes hilariously amusing. Out of curiosity, which parts of Yoav's characterization are inaccurate? Perhaps the "getting lucky" part is subjective, but Trump was absolutely born and raised with a silver spoon in his mouth; he's not self-made, and he did declare bankruptcy ?four? different times. Again, it's cute how populist characterization of bankruptcy is seen. Listing the number of successful property ventures vs his bankruptcy, makes those bankruptcies minuscule in comparison to his actual business ventures. Secondly, majority of those bankruptcies are re-organizational bankruptcies, chapter 11, which allows him to reorganize his business so he can pay off lenders so the business can continue (THUS KEEPING JOBS ALIVE), instead of completely shutting down the business. http://www.politifact.com/truth-o-meter/statements/2015/sep/21/carly-fiorina/trumps-four-bankruptcies/here's a much better read. Show nested quote +On March 06 2016 03:50 Acrofales wrote:On March 06 2016 03:48 ErectedZenith wrote:On March 06 2016 03:36 kwizach wrote:On March 06 2016 03:34 ErectedZenith wrote:On March 06 2016 03:00 kwizach wrote:On March 06 2016 02:42 ErectedZenith wrote:On March 06 2016 02:41 kwizach wrote:On March 06 2016 02:35 ErectedZenith wrote:On March 06 2016 01:09 kwizach wrote:
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Posts like this are really rich because they clearly display the massive dishonesty and hypocrisy displayed by many on the right when it comes to responsibility. They will be harping about "personal responsibility" all the time, but when it comes to the actual responsibility of the right/Republican party for literally anything, they'll always weasel their way into finding someone else to blame ("Thanks, Obama.").
The left did not create Trump. At all. The right created two things, which allowed for Trump's rise:
1. With regards to the whole debate on political correctness, the right took an epiphenomenon (yes, there have been some issues here and there on campuses with protests preventing some speakers from holding their conferences) and turned it into a giant caricature in order to have something to rally against. Cries about "political correctness" are usually cries about not being able to openly state racist and sexist views that are no longer deemed acceptable, because society has become more critical of bigots and the different routes through which bigotry is expressed and acted upon. Many people on the right have made this into a huge issue precisely because they would like to be seen as victims (another hilarious hypocrisy -- blaming people on the left who supposedly play the "victim card", when they're doing it all the time) instead of bigots, and because it's a useful tool to rile up and mobilize their base. When someone seen as a fierce opponent of "political correctness" therefore becomes popular notably due to that trait, you can blame the right for how prominent the issue has become as a caricature, not the left.
2. More importantly and fundamentally, the right is responsible for creating a climate of fear regarding pretty much all of the buttons that Trump is pushing: the idea that the U.S. is in a terrible state (not true), the idea that all other states walk over the U.S. on the international stage (not true), the idea that immigrants have a negative impact on the economy (not true), the idea that the U.S. would be better off without Obama's stimulus and its contribution to the debt (not true), the idea that there are easy solutions to ISIS that Obama is not pursuing (not true), the idea that Obama is a president who doesn't love the U.S. (not true), etc. etc. The right is entirely responsible for the bogeymen they've constructed about Obama, his policies, and the state of the U.S. for the last eight years, it is responsible for the inflammatory rhetoric they've employed on these topics, and it is responsible for the despicable tolerance it has shown towards extreme ideas and individuals in its ranks (did the left encourage Trump in his xenophobic insistence that Obama may not be an American? Or was that the right, as usual?).
The idea that the left created Trump is both factually false and a perfect example of the hypocrisy coming from the right on these issues. It'd be laughable if it wasn't a terrible sign regarding the state of American politics. Both the left and the right created current state of Trump. Left is too fiscally wasteful on how they want to spent the country's resources. The right is too much of coward to go after Trump like the last Fox debate initially, now its too late. False equivalence. I refer you to the post to which you replied. It isn't making equivalence of anything. Its fact. Did you read your own post? You are portraying the right and the left has having equivalently contributed to the rise of Trump. "Left is too fiscally wasteful on how they want to spent the country's resources" is also not a fact. It's an opinion, and a simplistic and largely wrong one at that. Again, I refer you to my original post as to why the right is very much to blame for the rise of Trump. I didn't say they equivalenty contributed rise of Trump. It wasn't equally contributed at all. The Left have done much more to the rise of Trump much more than the Right. I refuted that idea in my original post. You're wrong, not much more to add. There is zero substance to support that ridiculous assertion of yours. You are assuming that he is a racist/sexist, which is a ridiculous assertion just by itself. Yeah.. you're just mad because you have blood coming out of your whatever... You mean making a crack at someone based on a known physiological process?
You whitewash it all you want, but it was a sexist remark. It means he is assuming that Megyn Kelly was only on his case because she was on her period. She is not in charge, because for 5 days a month blood coming out of her vagina overrules her brain. It's derogatory, and not just to Megyn Kelly, but women in general.
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On March 06 2016 03:20 Gorsameth wrote:Show nested quote +On March 06 2016 03:14 wei2coolman wrote:
I just find it hilarious how easy the left can characterize all of Donald Trump supporters as racists and bigots, despite his massive wide appeal among Americans, all while being unable to explain the falling rates of hate crime in America.
It's simply a supply and demand problem from the left. They need racists and bigots to fuel their cause, but they're running out of actual supply of racists and bigots, that they have to widen their definition every single time to compensate for their lack of actual supply. If we accept for the moment that Trump has made racist and bigot remarks then it must follow that his supporters are aware of these remarks. If they still want to vote for Trump despite him making racist and bigot remarks then they are presumably ok with those statements. If your ok with racist and/or bigot remarks you are (at least somewhat) a racist and a bigot. It really isn't that hard.
This post angers me so much. It is filled with so much ignorance and self righteousness. My girlfriend is black, her parents are black and i have plenty of friends who are black who support trump.
First off, donald trump is not a racist despite what the media tells you. I can't count the times tha trump is misquoted by the media or when he is taken out of context. He is by no means a racist. Coolman hit the nail on the head stating how liberals need racists and bigots as fuel for their campaign.
Sure, the racist supporters are the most vocal or the most covered by the media, but in actuality they represent a small base of his support. Donald trump is getting support from a variety of people who have one thing in common: their discontent with modern politics and the elite political circle. The reason for this discontent varies greatly among many different people.
Trump is rough around the edges and may not say everything in the most politcally correct manner. However, i believe he is saying what needs to be said and that he means well. He is not racist and I believe the pc crowd is way too thin skinned.
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On March 06 2016 01:56 RvB wrote:Show nested quote +On March 06 2016 00:36 oneofthem wrote:
dollar is too strong anyway we need to print more
every other place has already dumpstered their currency to get a trade advantage It's strong because it's the worlds reserve currency which actually brings (small) benefits. Show nested quote +But MGI finds that the United States may not enjoy much of a privilege at all. In 2007–2008—a "normal" year for the world economy, the net financial benefit to the United States was between about $40 billion and $70 billion—or 0.3 to 0.5 percent of US GDP. In a "crisis" year—such as the year to June 2009—MGI estimates that the net financial benefit fell to between—$5 billion and $25 billion because the dollar appreciated by an additional 10 percent due its status as a "safe haven." http://www.mckinsey.com/global-themes/employment-and-growth/an-exorbitant-privilege talking about the recent situation wirh eu jp cn devaluations.
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On March 06 2016 04:01 SolaR- wrote:Show nested quote +On March 06 2016 03:20 Gorsameth wrote:On March 06 2016 03:14 wei2coolman wrote:
I just find it hilarious how easy the left can characterize all of Donald Trump supporters as racists and bigots, despite his massive wide appeal among Americans, all while being unable to explain the falling rates of hate crime in America.
It's simply a supply and demand problem from the left. They need racists and bigots to fuel their cause, but they're running out of actual supply of racists and bigots, that they have to widen their definition every single time to compensate for their lack of actual supply. If we accept for the moment that Trump has made racist and bigot remarks then it must follow that his supporters are aware of these remarks. If they still want to vote for Trump despite him making racist and bigot remarks then they are presumably ok with those statements. If your ok with racist and/or bigot remarks you are (at least somewhat) a racist and a bigot. It really isn't that hard. This post angers me so much. It is filled with so much ignorance and self righteousness. My girlfriend is black, her parents are black and i have plenty of friends who are black who support trump. First off, donald trump is not a racist despite what the media tells you. I can't count the times tha trump is misquoted by the media or when he is taken out of context. He is by no means a racist. Coolman hit the nail on the head stating how liberals need racists and bigots as fuel for their campaign. Sure, the racist supporters are the most vocal or the most covered by the media, but in actuality they represent a small base of his support. Donald trump is getting support from a variety of people who have one thing in common: their discontent with modern politics and the elite political circle. The reason for this discontent varies greatly among many different people. Trump is rough around the edges and may not say everything in the most politcally correct manner. However, i believe he is saying what needs to be said and that he means well. He is not racist and I believe the pc crowd is way too thin skinned.
Ignorance and self righteousness are what you embody as a trump supporter. Sorry fam.
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On March 06 2016 03:34 kwizach wrote:Show nested quote +On March 06 2016 03:25 wei2coolman wrote:On March 06 2016 03:20 Gorsameth wrote:On March 06 2016 03:14 wei2coolman wrote:
I just find it hilarious how easy the left can characterize all of Donald Trump supporters as racists and bigots, despite his massive wide appeal among Americans, all while being unable to explain the falling rates of hate crime in America.
It's simply a supply and demand problem from the left. They need racists and bigots to fuel their cause, but they're running out of actual supply of racists and bigots, that they have to widen their definition every single time to compensate for their lack of actual supply. If we accept for the moment that Trump has made racist and bigot remarks then it must follow that his supporters are aware of these remarks. If they still want to vote for Trump despite him making racist and bigot remarks then they are presumably ok with those statements. If your ok with racist and/or bigot remarks you are (at least somewhat) a racist and a bigot. It really isn't that hard. That's some serious logic skipping there. Just because someone calls you a racist and bigot, doesn't make you one. Trump supporters realize this, and that's why every single time the media tries to call Trump, and his supporters racist, or bigot, the more support he gets. People have come to realize how silly it's become. I mean we see an obvious media deflection of Trump supporter comments. People are seeing this kind of shit day in and day out from the media, and they've come to realize how silly it is to try and characterize a significant chunk of America as "racist and bigoted", because it doesn't mirror their actual day to day interactions, and how much the media is trying to push this idea of victimization that doesn't reflect reality. Like I said: Show nested quote +On March 06 2016 03:21 kwizach wrote:On March 06 2016 03:14 wei2coolman wrote:
I just find it hilarious how easy the left can characterize all of Donald Trump supporters as racists and bigots, despite his massive wide appeal among Americans, all while being unable to explain the falling rates of hate crime in America.
It's simply a supply and demand problem from the left. They need racists and bigots to fuel their cause, but they're running out of actual supply of racists and bigots, that they have to widen their definition every single time to compensate for their lack of actual supply. Another ridiculous strawman -- nobody is characterizing "all of Donalt Trump supporters as racists and bigots". The reality is, however, that Trump does attract bigots and racists in huge numbers, more than any other candidate. This is extensively documented by exit polls on a variety of issues. It is factual that there are proportionally more racist and bigoted people supporting Trump than other candidates. That is the reality of the situation.
Proportional to what?
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