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I learned that people like to have strong opinions about Trump. I doubt these last few pages can even be called a discussion.
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Alright Kansas Polls close in 10 minutes.
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On March 06 2016 04:47 wei2coolman wrote:Show nested quote +On March 06 2016 04:43 Jockmcplop wrote:
Basically what I have gleamed from reading this thread over the last day or so is educational. I'm not from America so I am learning as I go here.
I have learned that:
Trump supporters are not all just idiots who have no idea what they really want.
Instead they are just people who will vote for absolutely anyone, regardless of what they actually say, as long as they are 'anti-establishment'.
That's super, super hardcore smart like.
I'm pretty sure, way fucking early in this thread I made a bid of Bernie Sanders + Barnie Frank, would be an awesome combo to run. I just find the demonization of Trump, and his supporters doesn't contribute shit to the conversation. If the left wasn't so fucking retarded regarding identity politics, they would strictly talk about Trump policies. Instead, by demonizing him, and his supporter, Trump grows stronger by the day.
The guy isn't a demon, he isn't Satan, he's a moron, and that genuinely reflects on those who support him.
Sorry
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On March 06 2016 04:35 ErectedZenith wrote:Show nested quote +On March 06 2016 04:27 DarkPlasmaBall wrote:On March 06 2016 04:21 ErectedZenith wrote:On March 06 2016 03:56 kwizach wrote:On March 06 2016 03:48 ErectedZenith wrote:On March 06 2016 03:36 kwizach wrote:On March 06 2016 03:34 ErectedZenith wrote:On March 06 2016 03:00 kwizach wrote:On March 06 2016 02:42 ErectedZenith wrote:On March 06 2016 02:41 kwizach wrote:
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False equivalence. I refer you to the post to which you replied. It isn't making equivalence of anything. Its fact. Did you read your own post? You are portraying the right and the left has having equivalently contributed to the rise of Trump. "Left is too fiscally wasteful on how they want to spent the country's resources" is also not a fact. It's an opinion, and a simplistic and largely wrong one at that. Again, I refer you to my original post as to why the right is very much to blame for the rise of Trump. I didn't say they equivalenty contributed rise of Trump. It wasn't equally contributed at all. The Left have done much more to the rise of Trump much more than the Right. I refuted that idea in my original post. You're wrong, not much more to add. There is zero substance to support that ridiculous assertion of yours. You are assuming that he is a racist/sexist, which is a ridiculous assertion just by itself. Such an assertion is not part of my original post explaining why the right is responsible for Trump's rise, so try again. He is clearly sexist though, and has made more than enough statements with heavily racist/xenophobic undertones (and more than that) to justify criticizing him on that front. edit: also, notice how wei2coolman is carefully ignoring my two replies to him in which I cite polls showing Trump has more racist and bigoted supporters than the other candidates. Predictable. Xenophobic != racist. I think that most people consider race to be based on location/ nationality, and xenophobia is a dislike of people from outside countries. Barring a slight semantics argument at best, they're basically the same... And they're certainly both under the umbrella term of bigotry. I think most of the people are just scared of people blindly following books with unreasonable demands. But people that are big about "social justice" loves them because more diversity = more problems among people = more business for them. Show nested quote +On March 06 2016 04:33 kwizach wrote:On March 06 2016 04:21 ErectedZenith wrote:On March 06 2016 03:56 kwizach wrote:On March 06 2016 03:48 ErectedZenith wrote:On March 06 2016 03:36 kwizach wrote:On March 06 2016 03:34 ErectedZenith wrote:On March 06 2016 03:00 kwizach wrote:On March 06 2016 02:42 ErectedZenith wrote:On March 06 2016 02:41 kwizach wrote:
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False equivalence. I refer you to the post to which you replied. It isn't making equivalence of anything. Its fact. Did you read your own post? You are portraying the right and the left has having equivalently contributed to the rise of Trump. "Left is too fiscally wasteful on how they want to spent the country's resources" is also not a fact. It's an opinion, and a simplistic and largely wrong one at that. Again, I refer you to my original post as to why the right is very much to blame for the rise of Trump. I didn't say they equivalenty contributed rise of Trump. It wasn't equally contributed at all. The Left have done much more to the rise of Trump much more than the Right. I refuted that idea in my original post. You're wrong, not much more to add. There is zero substance to support that ridiculous assertion of yours. You are assuming that he is a racist/sexist, which is a ridiculous assertion just by itself. Such an assertion is not part of my original post explaining why the right is responsible for Trump's rise, so try again. He is clearly sexist though, and has made more than enough statements with heavily racist/xenophobic undertones (and more than that) to justify criticizing him on that front. edit: also, notice how wei2coolman is carefully ignoring my two replies to him in which I cite polls showing Trump has more racist and bigoted supporters than the other candidates. Predictable. Xenophobic != racist. You know the other side has no substantive reply to what you're saying when that's the extent of their retort. Doesn't take much to retort what you have going for.
"Following a book" is such an empty statement. All religions to that to some extent or another. The point is that all those books, including the Koran, are open to interpretation. And ISIS has interpreted it to mean they have a religious obligation to behead heathens (despite it actually saying black-on-white in the Koran that you should not do that). Not all surahs are treated equally.
Luckily, most Muslims interpret the Koran in a moderate manner and give more importance to those surahs emphasizing the love-thine-neighbour aspects of Islam. Just as most Christians ignore Leviticus in the bible.
Is ISIS a problem? Absolutely. And a very real aspect of it is its religious philosophy, which needs to be dealt with. But equating ISIS to all muslims is about as useful to equating the westboro baptists to all Christians.
Oh, and before someone starts: most Wahabists are a lot more political and pick and choose their religion to suit their political goals. Iran is also a far more political form of Islam. Just as plenty of other ideologies Islam can be used to repress people. So can Christianity. This has nothing to do with Islam, but far more with the horrendous governments in most of the middle east and northern Africa. And newsflash: most of the world has pretty horrendous governments, ranging from Russia and China to pretty much all of Africa. And then there are a lot of utterly corrupt democracies, starting in Brazil and India and ranging through most of eastern Europe and large parts of south Asia. Islam is really not needed for having shitty governments.
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On March 06 2016 04:49 Jockmcplop wrote:Show nested quote +On March 06 2016 04:47 wei2coolman wrote:On March 06 2016 04:43 Jockmcplop wrote:
Basically what I have gleamed from reading this thread over the last day or so is educational. I'm not from America so I am learning as I go here.
I have learned that:
Trump supporters are not all just idiots who have no idea what they really want.
Instead they are just people who will vote for absolutely anyone, regardless of what they actually say, as long as they are 'anti-establishment'.
That's super, super hardcore smart like.
I'm pretty sure, way fucking early in this thread I made a bid of Bernie Sanders + Barnie Frank, would be an awesome combo to run. I just find the demonization of Trump, and his supporters doesn't contribute shit to the conversation. If the left wasn't so fucking retarded regarding identity politics, they would strictly talk about Trump policies. Instead, by demonizing him, and his supporter, Trump grows stronger by the day. The guy isn't a demon, he isn't Satan, he's a moron, and that genuinely reflects on those who support him. Sorry
Billionaire businessman who specializes in high-end luxury resorts
Normies call him a moron.
You wonder why people keep siding with Trump right? It's because of this cognitive dissonance, and guess which side is more believable? A Normie calling trump a moron? or the brash charismatic rich man they see on TV daily?
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On March 06 2016 04:52 wei2coolman wrote:Show nested quote +On March 06 2016 04:49 Jockmcplop wrote:On March 06 2016 04:47 wei2coolman wrote:On March 06 2016 04:43 Jockmcplop wrote:
Basically what I have gleamed from reading this thread over the last day or so is educational. I'm not from America so I am learning as I go here.
I have learned that:
Trump supporters are not all just idiots who have no idea what they really want.
Instead they are just people who will vote for absolutely anyone, regardless of what they actually say, as long as they are 'anti-establishment'.
That's super, super hardcore smart like.
I'm pretty sure, way fucking early in this thread I made a bid of Bernie Sanders + Barnie Frank, would be an awesome combo to run. I just find the demonization of Trump, and his supporters doesn't contribute shit to the conversation. If the left wasn't so fucking retarded regarding identity politics, they would strictly talk about Trump policies. Instead, by demonizing him, and his supporter, Trump grows stronger by the day. The guy isn't a demon, he isn't Satan, he's a moron, and that genuinely reflects on those who support him. Sorry Billionaire businessman who specializes in high-end luxury resorts Normies call him a moron. You wonder why people keep siding with Trump right? It's because of this cognitive dissonance, and guess which side is more believable? A Normie calling trump a moron? or the brash charismatic rich man they see on TV daily?
Nope people are siding with Trump because:
a) They agree with all the stupid, ill-informed, bigoted shit that he says
or
b) Because they are also morons.
If you haven't guessed by now, and I assume you haven't, you aren't going to win this argument, because for the purposes of this thread I have assumed the exact debating style of Donald Trump.
Except I have the added advantage of being right.
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On March 06 2016 04:49 Acrofales wrote:Show nested quote +On March 06 2016 04:35 ErectedZenith wrote:On March 06 2016 04:27 DarkPlasmaBall wrote:On March 06 2016 04:21 ErectedZenith wrote:On March 06 2016 03:56 kwizach wrote:On March 06 2016 03:48 ErectedZenith wrote:On March 06 2016 03:36 kwizach wrote:On March 06 2016 03:34 ErectedZenith wrote:On March 06 2016 03:00 kwizach wrote:On March 06 2016 02:42 ErectedZenith wrote:
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It isn't making equivalence of anything.
Its fact. Did you read your own post? You are portraying the right and the left has having equivalently contributed to the rise of Trump. "Left is too fiscally wasteful on how they want to spent the country's resources" is also not a fact. It's an opinion, and a simplistic and largely wrong one at that. Again, I refer you to my original post as to why the right is very much to blame for the rise of Trump. I didn't say they equivalenty contributed rise of Trump. It wasn't equally contributed at all. The Left have done much more to the rise of Trump much more than the Right. I refuted that idea in my original post. You're wrong, not much more to add. There is zero substance to support that ridiculous assertion of yours. You are assuming that he is a racist/sexist, which is a ridiculous assertion just by itself. Such an assertion is not part of my original post explaining why the right is responsible for Trump's rise, so try again. He is clearly sexist though, and has made more than enough statements with heavily racist/xenophobic undertones (and more than that) to justify criticizing him on that front. edit: also, notice how wei2coolman is carefully ignoring my two replies to him in which I cite polls showing Trump has more racist and bigoted supporters than the other candidates. Predictable. Xenophobic != racist. I think that most people consider race to be based on location/ nationality, and xenophobia is a dislike of people from outside countries. Barring a slight semantics argument at best, they're basically the same... And they're certainly both under the umbrella term of bigotry. I think most of the people are just scared of people blindly following books with unreasonable demands. But people that are big about "social justice" loves them because more diversity = more problems among people = more business for them. On March 06 2016 04:33 kwizach wrote:On March 06 2016 04:21 ErectedZenith wrote:On March 06 2016 03:56 kwizach wrote:On March 06 2016 03:48 ErectedZenith wrote:On March 06 2016 03:36 kwizach wrote:On March 06 2016 03:34 ErectedZenith wrote:On March 06 2016 03:00 kwizach wrote:On March 06 2016 02:42 ErectedZenith wrote:
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It isn't making equivalence of anything.
Its fact. Did you read your own post? You are portraying the right and the left has having equivalently contributed to the rise of Trump. "Left is too fiscally wasteful on how they want to spent the country's resources" is also not a fact. It's an opinion, and a simplistic and largely wrong one at that. Again, I refer you to my original post as to why the right is very much to blame for the rise of Trump. I didn't say they equivalenty contributed rise of Trump. It wasn't equally contributed at all. The Left have done much more to the rise of Trump much more than the Right. I refuted that idea in my original post. You're wrong, not much more to add. There is zero substance to support that ridiculous assertion of yours. You are assuming that he is a racist/sexist, which is a ridiculous assertion just by itself. Such an assertion is not part of my original post explaining why the right is responsible for Trump's rise, so try again. He is clearly sexist though, and has made more than enough statements with heavily racist/xenophobic undertones (and more than that) to justify criticizing him on that front. edit: also, notice how wei2coolman is carefully ignoring my two replies to him in which I cite polls showing Trump has more racist and bigoted supporters than the other candidates. Predictable. Xenophobic != racist. You know the other side has no substantive reply to what you're saying when that's the extent of their retort. Doesn't take much to retort what you have going for. "Following a book" is such an empty statement. All religions to that to some extent or another. The point is that all those books, including the Koran, are open to interpretation. And ISIS has interpreted it to mean they have a religious obligation to behead heathens (despite it actually saying black-on-white in the Koran that you should not do that). Not all surahs are treated equally. Luckily, most Muslims interpret the Koran in a moderate manner and give more importance to those surahs emphasizing the love-thine-neighbour aspects of Islam. Just as most Christians ignore Leviticus in the bible. Is ISIS a problem? Absolutely. And a very real aspect of it is its religious philosophy, which needs to be dealt with. But equating ISIS to all muslims is about as useful to equating the westboro baptists to all Christians. Oh, and before someone starts: most Wahabists are a lot more political and pick and choose their religion to suit their political goals. Iran is also a far more political form of Islam. Just as plenty of other ideologies Islam can be used to repress people. So can Christianity. This has nothing to do with Islam, but far more with the horrendous governments in most of the middle east and northern Africa. And newsflash: most of the world has pretty horrendous governments, ranging from Russia and China to pretty much all of Africa. And then there are a lot of utterly corrupt democracies, starting in Brazil and India and ranging through most of eastern Europe and large parts of south Asia. Islam is really not needed for having shitty governments.
Doesn't matter, if you are following a book that makes you a liability to society, it is plain horror.
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On March 06 2016 04:52 wei2coolman wrote:Show nested quote +On March 06 2016 04:49 Jockmcplop wrote:On March 06 2016 04:47 wei2coolman wrote:On March 06 2016 04:43 Jockmcplop wrote:
Basically what I have gleamed from reading this thread over the last day or so is educational. I'm not from America so I am learning as I go here.
I have learned that:
Trump supporters are not all just idiots who have no idea what they really want.
Instead they are just people who will vote for absolutely anyone, regardless of what they actually say, as long as they are 'anti-establishment'.
That's super, super hardcore smart like.
I'm pretty sure, way fucking early in this thread I made a bid of Bernie Sanders + Barnie Frank, would be an awesome combo to run. I just find the demonization of Trump, and his supporters doesn't contribute shit to the conversation. If the left wasn't so fucking retarded regarding identity politics, they would strictly talk about Trump policies. Instead, by demonizing him, and his supporter, Trump grows stronger by the day. The guy isn't a demon, he isn't Satan, he's a moron, and that genuinely reflects on those who support him. Sorry Billionaire businessman who specializes in high-end luxury resorts Normies call him a moron. You wonder why people keep siding with Trump right? It's because of this cognitive dissonance, and guess which side is more believable? A Normie calling trump a moron? or the brash charismatic rich man they see on TV daily?
Paris Hilton is rich, and a business woman. That doesn't make her not-a-moron.
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On March 06 2016 04:53 Jockmcplop wrote:Show nested quote +On March 06 2016 04:52 wei2coolman wrote:On March 06 2016 04:49 Jockmcplop wrote:On March 06 2016 04:47 wei2coolman wrote:On March 06 2016 04:43 Jockmcplop wrote:
Basically what I have gleamed from reading this thread over the last day or so is educational. I'm not from America so I am learning as I go here.
I have learned that:
Trump supporters are not all just idiots who have no idea what they really want.
Instead they are just people who will vote for absolutely anyone, regardless of what they actually say, as long as they are 'anti-establishment'.
That's super, super hardcore smart like.
I'm pretty sure, way fucking early in this thread I made a bid of Bernie Sanders + Barnie Frank, would be an awesome combo to run. I just find the demonization of Trump, and his supporters doesn't contribute shit to the conversation. If the left wasn't so fucking retarded regarding identity politics, they would strictly talk about Trump policies. Instead, by demonizing him, and his supporter, Trump grows stronger by the day. The guy isn't a demon, he isn't Satan, he's a moron, and that genuinely reflects on those who support him. Sorry Billionaire businessman who specializes in high-end luxury resorts Normies call him a moron. You wonder why people keep siding with Trump right? It's because of this cognitive dissonance, and guess which side is more believable? A Normie calling trump a moron? or the brash charismatic rich man they see on TV daily? Nope people are siding with Trump because: a) They agree with all the stupid, ill-informed, bigoted shit that he says or b) Because they are also morons.
I mean, conversations such as this does absolutely nothing but empower Trump's campaign, especially since it does nothing to talk about the actual policies, and ends up being a name calling competition,
And guess who's the only candidate running for president that doesn't have a filter? Guess who wins the name calling competition there?
On March 06 2016 04:55 Acrofales wrote:Show nested quote +On March 06 2016 04:52 wei2coolman wrote:On March 06 2016 04:49 Jockmcplop wrote:On March 06 2016 04:47 wei2coolman wrote:On March 06 2016 04:43 Jockmcplop wrote:
Basically what I have gleamed from reading this thread over the last day or so is educational. I'm not from America so I am learning as I go here.
I have learned that:
Trump supporters are not all just idiots who have no idea what they really want.
Instead they are just people who will vote for absolutely anyone, regardless of what they actually say, as long as they are 'anti-establishment'.
That's super, super hardcore smart like.
I'm pretty sure, way fucking early in this thread I made a bid of Bernie Sanders + Barnie Frank, would be an awesome combo to run. I just find the demonization of Trump, and his supporters doesn't contribute shit to the conversation. If the left wasn't so fucking retarded regarding identity politics, they would strictly talk about Trump policies. Instead, by demonizing him, and his supporter, Trump grows stronger by the day. The guy isn't a demon, he isn't Satan, he's a moron, and that genuinely reflects on those who support him. Sorry Billionaire businessman who specializes in high-end luxury resorts Normies call him a moron. You wonder why people keep siding with Trump right? It's because of this cognitive dissonance, and guess which side is more believable? A Normie calling trump a moron? or the brash charismatic rich man they see on TV daily? Paris Hilton is rich, and a business woman. That doesn't make her not-a-moron.
I don't think she's nearly as dumb as people think she is.
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On March 06 2016 04:52 wei2coolman wrote:Show nested quote +On March 06 2016 04:49 Jockmcplop wrote:On March 06 2016 04:47 wei2coolman wrote:On March 06 2016 04:43 Jockmcplop wrote:
Basically what I have gleamed from reading this thread over the last day or so is educational. I'm not from America so I am learning as I go here.
I have learned that:
Trump supporters are not all just idiots who have no idea what they really want.
Instead they are just people who will vote for absolutely anyone, regardless of what they actually say, as long as they are 'anti-establishment'.
That's super, super hardcore smart like.
I'm pretty sure, way fucking early in this thread I made a bid of Bernie Sanders + Barnie Frank, would be an awesome combo to run. I just find the demonization of Trump, and his supporters doesn't contribute shit to the conversation. If the left wasn't so fucking retarded regarding identity politics, they would strictly talk about Trump policies. Instead, by demonizing him, and his supporter, Trump grows stronger by the day. The guy isn't a demon, he isn't Satan, he's a moron, and that genuinely reflects on those who support him. Sorry Billionaire businessman who specializes in high-end luxury resorts Normies call him a moron. You wonder why people keep siding with Trump right? It's because of this cognitive dissonance, and guess which side is more believable? A Normie calling trump a moron? or the brash charismatic rich man they see on TV daily?
Sigh again.
He would have roughly the same money if he put daddies cash in stock and never touched it. A successful businessmen makes more with this money then sitting on his ass would.
And a tv celebrity brand goes perfectly well with a moron. Reality tv is full of them.
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On March 06 2016 04:54 ErectedZenith wrote:Show nested quote +On March 06 2016 04:49 Acrofales wrote:On March 06 2016 04:35 ErectedZenith wrote:On March 06 2016 04:27 DarkPlasmaBall wrote:On March 06 2016 04:21 ErectedZenith wrote:On March 06 2016 03:56 kwizach wrote:On March 06 2016 03:48 ErectedZenith wrote:On March 06 2016 03:36 kwizach wrote:On March 06 2016 03:34 ErectedZenith wrote:On March 06 2016 03:00 kwizach wrote:
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Did you read your own post? You are portraying the right and the left has having equivalently contributed to the rise of Trump. "Left is too fiscally wasteful on how they want to spent the country's resources" is also not a fact. It's an opinion, and a simplistic and largely wrong one at that. Again, I refer you to my original post as to why the right is very much to blame for the rise of Trump. I didn't say they equivalenty contributed rise of Trump. It wasn't equally contributed at all. The Left have done much more to the rise of Trump much more than the Right. I refuted that idea in my original post. You're wrong, not much more to add. There is zero substance to support that ridiculous assertion of yours. You are assuming that he is a racist/sexist, which is a ridiculous assertion just by itself. Such an assertion is not part of my original post explaining why the right is responsible for Trump's rise, so try again. He is clearly sexist though, and has made more than enough statements with heavily racist/xenophobic undertones (and more than that) to justify criticizing him on that front. edit: also, notice how wei2coolman is carefully ignoring my two replies to him in which I cite polls showing Trump has more racist and bigoted supporters than the other candidates. Predictable. Xenophobic != racist. I think that most people consider race to be based on location/ nationality, and xenophobia is a dislike of people from outside countries. Barring a slight semantics argument at best, they're basically the same... And they're certainly both under the umbrella term of bigotry. I think most of the people are just scared of people blindly following books with unreasonable demands. But people that are big about "social justice" loves them because more diversity = more problems among people = more business for them. On March 06 2016 04:33 kwizach wrote:On March 06 2016 04:21 ErectedZenith wrote:On March 06 2016 03:56 kwizach wrote:On March 06 2016 03:48 ErectedZenith wrote:On March 06 2016 03:36 kwizach wrote:On March 06 2016 03:34 ErectedZenith wrote:On March 06 2016 03:00 kwizach wrote:
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Did you read your own post? You are portraying the right and the left has having equivalently contributed to the rise of Trump. "Left is too fiscally wasteful on how they want to spent the country's resources" is also not a fact. It's an opinion, and a simplistic and largely wrong one at that. Again, I refer you to my original post as to why the right is very much to blame for the rise of Trump. I didn't say they equivalenty contributed rise of Trump. It wasn't equally contributed at all. The Left have done much more to the rise of Trump much more than the Right. I refuted that idea in my original post. You're wrong, not much more to add. There is zero substance to support that ridiculous assertion of yours. You are assuming that he is a racist/sexist, which is a ridiculous assertion just by itself. Such an assertion is not part of my original post explaining why the right is responsible for Trump's rise, so try again. He is clearly sexist though, and has made more than enough statements with heavily racist/xenophobic undertones (and more than that) to justify criticizing him on that front. edit: also, notice how wei2coolman is carefully ignoring my two replies to him in which I cite polls showing Trump has more racist and bigoted supporters than the other candidates. Predictable. Xenophobic != racist. You know the other side has no substantive reply to what you're saying when that's the extent of their retort. Doesn't take much to retort what you have going for. "Following a book" is such an empty statement. All religions to that to some extent or another. The point is that all those books, including the Koran, are open to interpretation. And ISIS has interpreted it to mean they have a religious obligation to behead heathens (despite it actually saying black-on-white in the Koran that you should not do that). Not all surahs are treated equally. Luckily, most Muslims interpret the Koran in a moderate manner and give more importance to those surahs emphasizing the love-thine-neighbour aspects of Islam. Just as most Christians ignore Leviticus in the bible. Is ISIS a problem? Absolutely. And a very real aspect of it is its religious philosophy, which needs to be dealt with. But equating ISIS to all muslims is about as useful to equating the westboro baptists to all Christians. Oh, and before someone starts: most Wahabists are a lot more political and pick and choose their religion to suit their political goals. Iran is also a far more political form of Islam. Just as plenty of other ideologies Islam can be used to repress people. So can Christianity. This has nothing to do with Islam, but far more with the horrendous governments in most of the middle east and northern Africa. And newsflash: most of the world has pretty horrendous governments, ranging from Russia and China to pretty much all of Africa. And then there are a lot of utterly corrupt democracies, starting in Brazil and India and ranging through most of eastern Europe and large parts of south Asia. Islam is really not needed for having shitty governments. Doesn't matter, if you are following a book that makes you a liability to society, it is plain horror.
Which applies more to Christians than Muslims, at least where the United States would be concerned.
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Jockmcplop's argument:
"Trump is a moron and all of his supporters are morons.If you don't agree with me than you are a moron too."
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On March 06 2016 04:54 ErectedZenith wrote:Show nested quote +On March 06 2016 04:49 Acrofales wrote:On March 06 2016 04:35 ErectedZenith wrote:On March 06 2016 04:27 DarkPlasmaBall wrote:On March 06 2016 04:21 ErectedZenith wrote:On March 06 2016 03:56 kwizach wrote:On March 06 2016 03:48 ErectedZenith wrote:On March 06 2016 03:36 kwizach wrote:On March 06 2016 03:34 ErectedZenith wrote:On March 06 2016 03:00 kwizach wrote:
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Did you read your own post? You are portraying the right and the left has having equivalently contributed to the rise of Trump. "Left is too fiscally wasteful on how they want to spent the country's resources" is also not a fact. It's an opinion, and a simplistic and largely wrong one at that. Again, I refer you to my original post as to why the right is very much to blame for the rise of Trump. I didn't say they equivalenty contributed rise of Trump. It wasn't equally contributed at all. The Left have done much more to the rise of Trump much more than the Right. I refuted that idea in my original post. You're wrong, not much more to add. There is zero substance to support that ridiculous assertion of yours. You are assuming that he is a racist/sexist, which is a ridiculous assertion just by itself. Such an assertion is not part of my original post explaining why the right is responsible for Trump's rise, so try again. He is clearly sexist though, and has made more than enough statements with heavily racist/xenophobic undertones (and more than that) to justify criticizing him on that front. edit: also, notice how wei2coolman is carefully ignoring my two replies to him in which I cite polls showing Trump has more racist and bigoted supporters than the other candidates. Predictable. Xenophobic != racist. I think that most people consider race to be based on location/ nationality, and xenophobia is a dislike of people from outside countries. Barring a slight semantics argument at best, they're basically the same... And they're certainly both under the umbrella term of bigotry. I think most of the people are just scared of people blindly following books with unreasonable demands. But people that are big about "social justice" loves them because more diversity = more problems among people = more business for them. On March 06 2016 04:33 kwizach wrote:On March 06 2016 04:21 ErectedZenith wrote:On March 06 2016 03:56 kwizach wrote:On March 06 2016 03:48 ErectedZenith wrote:On March 06 2016 03:36 kwizach wrote:On March 06 2016 03:34 ErectedZenith wrote:On March 06 2016 03:00 kwizach wrote:
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Did you read your own post? You are portraying the right and the left has having equivalently contributed to the rise of Trump. "Left is too fiscally wasteful on how they want to spent the country's resources" is also not a fact. It's an opinion, and a simplistic and largely wrong one at that. Again, I refer you to my original post as to why the right is very much to blame for the rise of Trump. I didn't say they equivalenty contributed rise of Trump. It wasn't equally contributed at all. The Left have done much more to the rise of Trump much more than the Right. I refuted that idea in my original post. You're wrong, not much more to add. There is zero substance to support that ridiculous assertion of yours. You are assuming that he is a racist/sexist, which is a ridiculous assertion just by itself. Such an assertion is not part of my original post explaining why the right is responsible for Trump's rise, so try again. He is clearly sexist though, and has made more than enough statements with heavily racist/xenophobic undertones (and more than that) to justify criticizing him on that front. edit: also, notice how wei2coolman is carefully ignoring my two replies to him in which I cite polls showing Trump has more racist and bigoted supporters than the other candidates. Predictable. Xenophobic != racist. You know the other side has no substantive reply to what you're saying when that's the extent of their retort. Doesn't take much to retort what you have going for. "Following a book" is such an empty statement. All religions to that to some extent or another. The point is that all those books, including the Koran, are open to interpretation. And ISIS has interpreted it to mean they have a religious obligation to behead heathens (despite it actually saying black-on-white in the Koran that you should not do that). Not all surahs are treated equally. Luckily, most Muslims interpret the Koran in a moderate manner and give more importance to those surahs emphasizing the love-thine-neighbour aspects of Islam. Just as most Christians ignore Leviticus in the bible. Is ISIS a problem? Absolutely. And a very real aspect of it is its religious philosophy, which needs to be dealt with. But equating ISIS to all muslims is about as useful to equating the westboro baptists to all Christians. Oh, and before someone starts: most Wahabists are a lot more political and pick and choose their religion to suit their political goals. Iran is also a far more political form of Islam. Just as plenty of other ideologies Islam can be used to repress people. So can Christianity. This has nothing to do with Islam, but far more with the horrendous governments in most of the middle east and northern Africa. And newsflash: most of the world has pretty horrendous governments, ranging from Russia and China to pretty much all of Africa. And then there are a lot of utterly corrupt democracies, starting in Brazil and India and ranging through most of eastern Europe and large parts of south Asia. Islam is really not needed for having shitty governments. Doesn't matter, if you are following a book that makes you a liability to society, it is plain horror.
Just to be clear, what's your stance on Christianity?
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On March 06 2016 04:57 SolaR- wrote:
Jockmcplop's argument:
"Trump is a moron and all of his supporters are morons.If you don't agree with me than you are a moron too."
Like I said, its the exact debating style of Trump.
Convincing, isn't it??
Its also true.
Again, to restate this, i'm normally polite and civilized in a debate. I'm just seeing what its like to argue from an unlosable position where everyone else is a fucking moron. I see the appeal, I really do. Trump's got a good thing going.
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On March 06 2016 04:57 Gorsameth wrote:Show nested quote +On March 06 2016 04:52 wei2coolman wrote:On March 06 2016 04:49 Jockmcplop wrote:On March 06 2016 04:47 wei2coolman wrote:On March 06 2016 04:43 Jockmcplop wrote:
Basically what I have gleamed from reading this thread over the last day or so is educational. I'm not from America so I am learning as I go here.
I have learned that:
Trump supporters are not all just idiots who have no idea what they really want.
Instead they are just people who will vote for absolutely anyone, regardless of what they actually say, as long as they are 'anti-establishment'.
That's super, super hardcore smart like.
I'm pretty sure, way fucking early in this thread I made a bid of Bernie Sanders + Barnie Frank, would be an awesome combo to run. I just find the demonization of Trump, and his supporters doesn't contribute shit to the conversation. If the left wasn't so fucking retarded regarding identity politics, they would strictly talk about Trump policies. Instead, by demonizing him, and his supporter, Trump grows stronger by the day. The guy isn't a demon, he isn't Satan, he's a moron, and that genuinely reflects on those who support him. Sorry Billionaire businessman who specializes in high-end luxury resorts Normies call him a moron. You wonder why people keep siding with Trump right? It's because of this cognitive dissonance, and guess which side is more believable? A Normie calling trump a moron? or the brash charismatic rich man they see on TV daily? Sigh again. He would have roughly the same money if he put daddies cash in stock and never touched it. A successful businessmen makes more with this money then sitting on his ass would. And a tv celebrity brand goes perfectly well with a moron. Reality tv is full of them.
You do know that putting money based on S&P stock index is also considered a great business move if you made that decision the same time Trump inherited his money, even in hindsight, right?
So you're essentially saying "Trump made business moves equivalent to a great stock investment, except with more portfolio diversity, with a direct hand in building a name brand and legacy."
Also, if keeping money in S&P500 was so easy, how much money do you have in the S&P 500 stock index? Or do you have a investment that provides better return? Because if you do, please let me know.
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On March 06 2016 04:49 Acrofales wrote:Show nested quote +On March 06 2016 04:35 ErectedZenith wrote:On March 06 2016 04:27 DarkPlasmaBall wrote:On March 06 2016 04:21 ErectedZenith wrote:On March 06 2016 03:56 kwizach wrote:On March 06 2016 03:48 ErectedZenith wrote:On March 06 2016 03:36 kwizach wrote:On March 06 2016 03:34 ErectedZenith wrote:On March 06 2016 03:00 kwizach wrote:On March 06 2016 02:42 ErectedZenith wrote:
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It isn't making equivalence of anything.
Its fact. Did you read your own post? You are portraying the right and the left has having equivalently contributed to the rise of Trump. "Left is too fiscally wasteful on how they want to spent the country's resources" is also not a fact. It's an opinion, and a simplistic and largely wrong one at that. Again, I refer you to my original post as to why the right is very much to blame for the rise of Trump. I didn't say they equivalenty contributed rise of Trump. It wasn't equally contributed at all. The Left have done much more to the rise of Trump much more than the Right. I refuted that idea in my original post. You're wrong, not much more to add. There is zero substance to support that ridiculous assertion of yours. You are assuming that he is a racist/sexist, which is a ridiculous assertion just by itself. Such an assertion is not part of my original post explaining why the right is responsible for Trump's rise, so try again. He is clearly sexist though, and has made more than enough statements with heavily racist/xenophobic undertones (and more than that) to justify criticizing him on that front. edit: also, notice how wei2coolman is carefully ignoring my two replies to him in which I cite polls showing Trump has more racist and bigoted supporters than the other candidates. Predictable. Xenophobic != racist. I think that most people consider race to be based on location/ nationality, and xenophobia is a dislike of people from outside countries. Barring a slight semantics argument at best, they're basically the same... And they're certainly both under the umbrella term of bigotry. I think most of the people are just scared of people blindly following books with unreasonable demands. But people that are big about "social justice" loves them because more diversity = more problems among people = more business for them. On March 06 2016 04:33 kwizach wrote:On March 06 2016 04:21 ErectedZenith wrote:On March 06 2016 03:56 kwizach wrote:On March 06 2016 03:48 ErectedZenith wrote:On March 06 2016 03:36 kwizach wrote:On March 06 2016 03:34 ErectedZenith wrote:On March 06 2016 03:00 kwizach wrote:On March 06 2016 02:42 ErectedZenith wrote:
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It isn't making equivalence of anything.
Its fact. Did you read your own post? You are portraying the right and the left has having equivalently contributed to the rise of Trump. "Left is too fiscally wasteful on how they want to spent the country's resources" is also not a fact. It's an opinion, and a simplistic and largely wrong one at that. Again, I refer you to my original post as to why the right is very much to blame for the rise of Trump. I didn't say they equivalenty contributed rise of Trump. It wasn't equally contributed at all. The Left have done much more to the rise of Trump much more than the Right. I refuted that idea in my original post. You're wrong, not much more to add. There is zero substance to support that ridiculous assertion of yours. You are assuming that he is a racist/sexist, which is a ridiculous assertion just by itself. Such an assertion is not part of my original post explaining why the right is responsible for Trump's rise, so try again. He is clearly sexist though, and has made more than enough statements with heavily racist/xenophobic undertones (and more than that) to justify criticizing him on that front. edit: also, notice how wei2coolman is carefully ignoring my two replies to him in which I cite polls showing Trump has more racist and bigoted supporters than the other candidates. Predictable. Xenophobic != racist. You know the other side has no substantive reply to what you're saying when that's the extent of their retort. Doesn't take much to retort what you have going for. "Following a book" is such an empty statement. All religions to that to some extent or another. The point is that all those books, including the Koran, are open to interpretation. And ISIS has interpreted it to mean they have a religious obligation to behead heathens (despite it actually saying black-on-white in the Koran that you should not do that). Not all surahs are treated equally. Luckily, most Muslims interpret the Koran in a moderate manner and give more importance to those surahs emphasizing the love-thine-neighbour aspects of Islam. Just as most Christians ignore Leviticus in the bible. Is ISIS a problem? Absolutely. And a very real aspect of it is its religious philosophy, which needs to be dealt with. But equating ISIS to all muslims is about as useful to equating the westboro baptists to all Christians. .
Nobody is saying all muslims are the same as ISIS.
The fact that the Koran can be interpreted in the way that ISIS do is the problem that everybody ignores, its the fault of that book, even if its just a small minority that does it. It does say to kill all "non believers" and yes it does say in another part of the book not to do stuff like that, it contradict's itself just like the bible, how anyone can take these books seriously is beyond me
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On March 06 2016 04:57 Gorsameth wrote:Show nested quote +On March 06 2016 04:52 wei2coolman wrote:On March 06 2016 04:49 Jockmcplop wrote:On March 06 2016 04:47 wei2coolman wrote:On March 06 2016 04:43 Jockmcplop wrote:
Basically what I have gleamed from reading this thread over the last day or so is educational. I'm not from America so I am learning as I go here.
I have learned that:
Trump supporters are not all just idiots who have no idea what they really want.
Instead they are just people who will vote for absolutely anyone, regardless of what they actually say, as long as they are 'anti-establishment'.
That's super, super hardcore smart like.
I'm pretty sure, way fucking early in this thread I made a bid of Bernie Sanders + Barnie Frank, would be an awesome combo to run. I just find the demonization of Trump, and his supporters doesn't contribute shit to the conversation. If the left wasn't so fucking retarded regarding identity politics, they would strictly talk about Trump policies. Instead, by demonizing him, and his supporter, Trump grows stronger by the day. The guy isn't a demon, he isn't Satan, he's a moron, and that genuinely reflects on those who support him. Sorry Billionaire businessman who specializes in high-end luxury resorts Normies call him a moron. You wonder why people keep siding with Trump right? It's because of this cognitive dissonance, and guess which side is more believable? A Normie calling trump a moron? or the brash charismatic rich man they see on TV daily? Sigh again. He would have roughly the same money if he put daddies cash in stock and never touched it. A successful businessmen makes more with this money then sitting on his ass would. And a tv celebrity brand goes perfectly well with a moron. Reality tv is full of them.
I'm sure speculating on the stock market is better than creating jobs, lol. And we wonder why the World economy is a mess.
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If anyone can make 10 billion out of 1 million please go ahead, what are you doing here? Go loan 1 million from a bank
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On March 06 2016 04:58 Jockmcplop wrote:Show nested quote +On March 06 2016 04:57 SolaR- wrote:
Jockmcplop's argument:
"Trump is a moron and all of his supporters are morons.If you don't agree with me than you are a moron too." Like I said, its the exact debating style of Trump. Convincing, isn't it?? Its also true.
The debates have been terrible from all candidates. You must not watch many of the town halls or campaign rallies.
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On March 06 2016 05:01 zeo wrote:Show nested quote +On March 06 2016 04:57 Gorsameth wrote:On March 06 2016 04:52 wei2coolman wrote:On March 06 2016 04:49 Jockmcplop wrote:On March 06 2016 04:47 wei2coolman wrote:On March 06 2016 04:43 Jockmcplop wrote:
Basically what I have gleamed from reading this thread over the last day or so is educational. I'm not from America so I am learning as I go here.
I have learned that:
Trump supporters are not all just idiots who have no idea what they really want.
Instead they are just people who will vote for absolutely anyone, regardless of what they actually say, as long as they are 'anti-establishment'.
That's super, super hardcore smart like.
I'm pretty sure, way fucking early in this thread I made a bid of Bernie Sanders + Barnie Frank, would be an awesome combo to run. I just find the demonization of Trump, and his supporters doesn't contribute shit to the conversation. If the left wasn't so fucking retarded regarding identity politics, they would strictly talk about Trump policies. Instead, by demonizing him, and his supporter, Trump grows stronger by the day. The guy isn't a demon, he isn't Satan, he's a moron, and that genuinely reflects on those who support him. Sorry Billionaire businessman who specializes in high-end luxury resorts Normies call him a moron. You wonder why people keep siding with Trump right? It's because of this cognitive dissonance, and guess which side is more believable? A Normie calling trump a moron? or the brash charismatic rich man they see on TV daily? Sigh again. He would have roughly the same money if he put daddies cash in stock and never touched it. A successful businessmen makes more with this money then sitting on his ass would. And a tv celebrity brand goes perfectly well with a moron. Reality tv is full of them. I'm sure speculating on the stock market is better than creating jobs, lol. And we wonder why the World economy is a mess. If anyone can make 10 billion out of 1 million please go ahead, what are you doing here? Go loan 1 million from a bank
b-b-ut h-he had 4 restructuring bankruptcies!!!, and he's a moron!!!!
this is why Trump gets so many supporters, the evidence provided for why Trump is a moron doesn't outweigh his actual accomplishments that would suggest otherwise.
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On March 06 2016 05:02 SolaR- wrote:Show nested quote +On March 06 2016 04:58 Jockmcplop wrote:On March 06 2016 04:57 SolaR- wrote:
Jockmcplop's argument:
"Trump is a moron and all of his supporters are morons.If you don't agree with me than you are a moron too." Like I said, its the exact debating style of Trump. Convincing, isn't it?? Its also true. The debates have been terrible from all candidates. You must not watch many of the town halls or campaign rallies.
I mean really you shouldn't take me seriously. I'm just here to laugh. Laugh in the face of America. Get used to it if you want Trump in charge.
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