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On March 06 2016 05:29 DarkPlasmaBall wrote:Show nested quote +On March 06 2016 05:17 ErectedZenith wrote:On March 06 2016 05:13 DarkPlasmaBall wrote:On March 06 2016 04:35 ErectedZenith wrote:On March 06 2016 04:27 DarkPlasmaBall wrote:On March 06 2016 04:21 ErectedZenith wrote:On March 06 2016 03:56 kwizach wrote:On March 06 2016 03:48 ErectedZenith wrote:On March 06 2016 03:36 kwizach wrote:On March 06 2016 03:34 ErectedZenith wrote:
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I didn't say they equivalenty contributed rise of Trump.
It wasn't equally contributed at all.
The Left have done much more to the rise of Trump much more than the Right. I refuted that idea in my original post. You're wrong, not much more to add. There is zero substance to support that ridiculous assertion of yours. You are assuming that he is a racist/sexist, which is a ridiculous assertion just by itself. Such an assertion is not part of my original post explaining why the right is responsible for Trump's rise, so try again. He is clearly sexist though, and has made more than enough statements with heavily racist/xenophobic undertones (and more than that) to justify criticizing him on that front. edit: also, notice how wei2coolman is carefully ignoring my two replies to him in which I cite polls showing Trump has more racist and bigoted supporters than the other candidates. Predictable. Xenophobic != racist. I think that most people consider race to be based on location/ nationality, and xenophobia is a dislike of people from outside countries. Barring a slight semantics argument at best, they're basically the same... And they're certainly both under the umbrella term of bigotry. I think most of the people are just scared of people blindly following books with unreasonable demands. But people that are big about "social justice" loves them because more diversity = more problems among people = more business for them. What's wrong with being an advocate for social justice? You make it sound like people who want equal and fair treatment for everyone are secretly hoping for the opposite. If their business model relies on having distrust among people so they can make money from people's fear, then absolutely. Their "business model"? That's a very cynical way of approaching people who are legitimately trying to make the world a better place. That's like saying that tutors don't want to actually help educate students- and in fact, will try to make them dumber- because that way, the tutors won't become obsolete and unemployed. It's partially paradoxical from a self-interest perspective, but it's not a matter of financial gain. Civil rights activists, much like educators, are pursuing their passion and vocation and expressing a purity of motive (barring the occasional nutjob or extremist that exists with any group of people). MLK Jr. wasn't fighting for civil rights because he was secretly in cahoots with screwing over blacks and profiting off it. You can also look at the kinds of people who are successful (financially, politically, etc.) by spreading messages of fear and hate. Donald Trump, for example, is pretty much the opposite of a sincere advocate for social justice, and his message is all about "distrust among people so they can make money from people's fear" and "more diversity = more problems among people = more business for them".
Call it cynical but that's what a lot of people are doing these days.
And if they can get away with it, then good for them to figure out a way to make money out of people's fear.
Difference between Donald Trump's message on figuring out what the fuck is going on in the middle east before doing any extreme importation is actually based upon evidence that it is indeed a clusterfuck in the middle east and it probably isn't a smart idea to even think to take an action that might pollute USA.
While there are plenty of people like BLM that says institutionalized racism for blacks exist while there are affirmative action for them or feminists freaks who yells about wage gap without studying how economics work.
But I view them the same light as I view the hardcore religious folks. Somehow all these groups have figured a way to make money out of irrational fears.
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The real issue of "Social Justice", completely ignoring where someone lies on the arbitrary political spectrum, is that the very principle of it is social correction of issues within a system. Or, more bluntly, common people pushing back against perceived injustice.
And sometimes that's necessary (such as the Civil Right movement), but as an ongoing constant it really means "mob justice", with all the thoughtlessness which that entails.
I can agree with a million people standing up for the rights of 10 million. Just not a million targeting a handful to protect a couple hundred.
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The thing I don't get about people wanting Trump is that for a while now people wanted to get big money out of politics....so I guess we are just skipping the middleman that is the politician and straight up electing one of the big money people into office now?
As for his competence, I am sure he is fine, found his niche and went for it. But don't ask me to be impressed when he basically is a silver spoon superstar who had every advantage in the world. It would have taken effort to fuck up with the mountain of advantages he has had.
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On March 06 2016 05:41 Slaughter wrote:
The thing I don't get about people wanting Trump is that for a while now people wanted to get big money out of politics....so I guess we are just skipping the middleman that is the politician and straight up electing one of the big money people into office now?
As for his competence, I am sure he is fine, found his niche and went for it. But don't ask me to be impressed when he basically is a silver spoon superstar who had every advantage in the world. It would have taken effort to fuck up with the mountain of advantages he has had.
An rich individual that has majority of his money invested in luxury resorts (a relatively non-controversial market), is completely different than politicians that have been lobbied by a lot of megacorporations that benefit tremendously from gov't assistance.
IMO Trump and Bernie's support is different face of the same coin. Both are tired of establishment and politicians being bought by big money.
On March 06 2016 05:44 ErectedZenith wrote:Show nested quote +On March 06 2016 05:41 Slaughter wrote:
The thing I don't get about people wanting Trump is that for a while now people wanted to get big money out of politics....so I guess we are just skipping the middleman that is the politician and straight up electing one of the big money people into office now?
As for his competence, I am sure he is fine, found his niche and went for it. But don't ask me to be impressed when he basically is a silver spoon superstar who had every advantage in the world. It would have taken effort to fuck up with the mountain of advantages he has had. Well if people wanted money out of politics, they would have went for Sanders instead of Hillary which I'm still surprised seeing Sanders losing to Hillary. Unless Hillary cheated.
IMO Sanders is way too nice. If he was willing to be a dick, he'd absolutely crush Hillary.
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On March 06 2016 05:41 Slaughter wrote:
The thing I don't get about people wanting Trump is that for a while now people wanted to get big money out of politics....so I guess we are just skipping the middleman that is the politician and straight up electing one of the big money people into office now?
As for his competence, I am sure he is fine, found his niche and went for it. But don't ask me to be impressed when he basically is a silver spoon superstar who had every advantage in the world. It would have taken effort to fuck up with the mountain of advantages he has had.
Well if people wanted money out of politics, they would have went for Sanders instead of Hillary which I'm still surprised seeing Sanders losing to Hillary.
Unless Hillary cheated.
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On March 06 2016 05:36 Jockmcplop wrote:
The social Justice movement on the internet is an absolute nightmare. Its the only area where I differ with alot of my facebook friends. They use way oversimplified definitions of incredibly humiliating things like calling people misogynists and racist and shut down entire conversations in the process.
It completely ruins what could have been a good thing.
Maybe don't argue of facebook? There was this old saying back in the day: don't talk about politics or religion at the dinner table, its ruins the meal.
Not every venue is good for every discussion, including the internet. If you want a nuanced discussion on those subjects, maybe don't have it with the entire world? Its a self selecting field, where the most commuted and hyperbolic people will stay in the discussion while everyone else moves on.
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On March 06 2016 05:51 Plansix wrote:Show nested quote +On March 06 2016 05:36 Jockmcplop wrote:
The social Justice movement on the internet is an absolute nightmare. Its the only area where I differ with alot of my facebook friends. They use way oversimplified definitions of incredibly humiliating things like calling people misogynists and racist and shut down entire conversations in the process.
It completely ruins what could have been a good thing. Maybe don't argue of facebook? There was this old saying back in the day: don't talk about politics or religion at the dinner table, its ruins the meal. Not every venue is good for every discussion, including the internet. If you want a nuanced discussion on those subjects, maybe don't have it with the entire world? Its a self selecting field, where the most commuted and hyperbolic people will stay in the discussion while everyone else moves on.
I don't argue with them, I just see them throwing this stuff around at people and sigh to myself.
Social justice should be directed at society, not targeted aggressively at individuals.
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On March 06 2016 05:55 Jockmcplop wrote:Show nested quote +On March 06 2016 05:51 Plansix wrote:On March 06 2016 05:36 Jockmcplop wrote:
The social Justice movement on the internet is an absolute nightmare. Its the only area where I differ with alot of my facebook friends. They use way oversimplified definitions of incredibly humiliating things like calling people misogynists and racist and shut down entire conversations in the process.
It completely ruins what could have been a good thing. Maybe don't argue of facebook? There was this old saying back in the day: don't talk about politics or religion at the dinner table, its ruins the meal. Not every venue is good for every discussion, including the internet. If you want a nuanced discussion on those subjects, maybe don't have it with the entire world? Its a self selecting field, where the most commuted and hyperbolic people will stay in the discussion while everyone else moves on. I don't argue with them, I just see them throwing this stuff around at people and sigh to myself. Social justice should be directed at society, not targeted aggressively at individuals.
Get rid of them as your "friend", you don't need these baseless folks in your life.
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On March 06 2016 05:51 Plansix wrote:Show nested quote +On March 06 2016 05:36 Jockmcplop wrote:
The social Justice movement on the internet is an absolute nightmare. Its the only area where I differ with alot of my facebook friends. They use way oversimplified definitions of incredibly humiliating things like calling people misogynists and racist and shut down entire conversations in the process.
It completely ruins what could have been a good thing. Maybe don't argue of facebook? There was this old saying back in the day: don't talk about politics or religion at the dinner table, its ruins the meal. Not every venue is good for every discussion, including the internet. If you want a nuanced discussion on those subjects, maybe don't have it with the entire world? Its a self selecting field, where the most commuted and hyperbolic people will stay in the discussion while everyone else moves on.
Problem is that the internet is where shit gets done. Not because of anything intelligent being done on the internet, but because a few dozen locals protesting something is nothing compared to a hundred thousand people on the internet raising a storm on social media.
We're in a growing pain period of society where no one understands how to deal with the sheer scope and size the internet can bring. Which is probably one of the few points where the anti-PC crowd has a legitimate complaint: you may not have the right to say whatever you want and get away with it, but the punishment still needs to meet the crime.
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On March 06 2016 05:58 ErectedZenith wrote:Show nested quote +On March 06 2016 05:55 Jockmcplop wrote:On March 06 2016 05:51 Plansix wrote:On March 06 2016 05:36 Jockmcplop wrote:
The social Justice movement on the internet is an absolute nightmare. Its the only area where I differ with alot of my facebook friends. They use way oversimplified definitions of incredibly humiliating things like calling people misogynists and racist and shut down entire conversations in the process.
It completely ruins what could have been a good thing. Maybe don't argue of facebook? There was this old saying back in the day: don't talk about politics or religion at the dinner table, its ruins the meal. Not every venue is good for every discussion, including the internet. If you want a nuanced discussion on those subjects, maybe don't have it with the entire world? Its a self selecting field, where the most commuted and hyperbolic people will stay in the discussion while everyone else moves on. I don't argue with them, I just see them throwing this stuff around at people and sigh to myself. Social justice should be directed at society, not targeted aggressively at individuals. Get rid of them as your "friend", you don't need these baseless folks in your life.
Ha most of them are good friends irl. I tend to divorce online life from real life, everyone has the capability to be an asshole online.
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On March 06 2016 05:59 Jockmcplop wrote:Show nested quote +On March 06 2016 05:58 ErectedZenith wrote:On March 06 2016 05:55 Jockmcplop wrote:On March 06 2016 05:51 Plansix wrote:On March 06 2016 05:36 Jockmcplop wrote:
The social Justice movement on the internet is an absolute nightmare. Its the only area where I differ with alot of my facebook friends. They use way oversimplified definitions of incredibly humiliating things like calling people misogynists and racist and shut down entire conversations in the process.
It completely ruins what could have been a good thing. Maybe don't argue of facebook? There was this old saying back in the day: don't talk about politics or religion at the dinner table, its ruins the meal. Not every venue is good for every discussion, including the internet. If you want a nuanced discussion on those subjects, maybe don't have it with the entire world? Its a self selecting field, where the most commuted and hyperbolic people will stay in the discussion while everyone else moves on. I don't argue with them, I just see them throwing this stuff around at people and sigh to myself. Social justice should be directed at society, not targeted aggressively at individuals. Get rid of them as your "friend", you don't need these baseless folks in your life. Ha most of them are good friends irl. I tend to divorce online life from real life, everyone has the capability to be an asshole online.
Well, as long as they don't negatively affect your own mental health. Looking out for you man.
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On March 06 2016 05:38 ErectedZenith wrote:Show nested quote +On March 06 2016 05:29 DarkPlasmaBall wrote:On March 06 2016 05:17 ErectedZenith wrote:On March 06 2016 05:13 DarkPlasmaBall wrote:On March 06 2016 04:35 ErectedZenith wrote:On March 06 2016 04:27 DarkPlasmaBall wrote:On March 06 2016 04:21 ErectedZenith wrote:On March 06 2016 03:56 kwizach wrote:On March 06 2016 03:48 ErectedZenith wrote:On March 06 2016 03:36 kwizach wrote:
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I refuted that idea in my original post. You're wrong, not much more to add. There is zero substance to support that ridiculous assertion of yours. You are assuming that he is a racist/sexist, which is a ridiculous assertion just by itself. Such an assertion is not part of my original post explaining why the right is responsible for Trump's rise, so try again. He is clearly sexist though, and has made more than enough statements with heavily racist/xenophobic undertones (and more than that) to justify criticizing him on that front. edit: also, notice how wei2coolman is carefully ignoring my two replies to him in which I cite polls showing Trump has more racist and bigoted supporters than the other candidates. Predictable. Xenophobic != racist. I think that most people consider race to be based on location/ nationality, and xenophobia is a dislike of people from outside countries. Barring a slight semantics argument at best, they're basically the same... And they're certainly both under the umbrella term of bigotry. I think most of the people are just scared of people blindly following books with unreasonable demands. But people that are big about "social justice" loves them because more diversity = more problems among people = more business for them. What's wrong with being an advocate for social justice? You make it sound like people who want equal and fair treatment for everyone are secretly hoping for the opposite. If their business model relies on having distrust among people so they can make money from people's fear, then absolutely. Their "business model"? That's a very cynical way of approaching people who are legitimately trying to make the world a better place. That's like saying that tutors don't want to actually help educate students- and in fact, will try to make them dumber- because that way, the tutors won't become obsolete and unemployed. It's partially paradoxical from a self-interest perspective, but it's not a matter of financial gain. Civil rights activists, much like educators, are pursuing their passion and vocation and expressing a purity of motive (barring the occasional nutjob or extremist that exists with any group of people). MLK Jr. wasn't fighting for civil rights because he was secretly in cahoots with screwing over blacks and profiting off it. You can also look at the kinds of people who are successful (financially, politically, etc.) by spreading messages of fear and hate. Donald Trump, for example, is pretty much the opposite of a sincere advocate for social justice, and his message is all about "distrust among people so they can make money from people's fear" and "more diversity = more problems among people = more business for them". Call it cynical but that's what a lot of people are doing these days. And if they can get away with it, then good for them to figure out a way to make money out of people's fear. Difference between Donald Trump's message on figuring out what the fuck is going on in the middle east before doing any extreme importation is actually based upon evidence that it is indeed a clusterfuck in the middle east and it probably isn't a smart idea to even think to take an action that might pollute USA. While there are plenty of people like BLM that says institutionalized racism for blacks exist while there are affirmative action for them or feminists freaks who yells about wage gap without studying how economics work.But I view them the same light as I view the hardcore religious folks. Somehow all these groups have figured a way to make money out of irrational fears.
First of all, institutionalized racism does exist, and the wage gap does exist. At least, in the United States they do.
Second, there is a big difference between social justice warriors going over the top and opportunists hoping that prejudice is perpetuated so that they can benefit financially. You were claiming that the latter occurs regularly, whereas at least SJWs have a purity of motive.
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On March 06 2016 06:01 DarkPlasmaBall wrote:Show nested quote +On March 06 2016 05:38 ErectedZenith wrote:On March 06 2016 05:29 DarkPlasmaBall wrote:On March 06 2016 05:17 ErectedZenith wrote:On March 06 2016 05:13 DarkPlasmaBall wrote:On March 06 2016 04:35 ErectedZenith wrote:On March 06 2016 04:27 DarkPlasmaBall wrote:On March 06 2016 04:21 ErectedZenith wrote:On March 06 2016 03:56 kwizach wrote:On March 06 2016 03:48 ErectedZenith wrote:
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You are assuming that he is a racist/sexist, which is a ridiculous assertion just by itself. Such an assertion is not part of my original post explaining why the right is responsible for Trump's rise, so try again. He is clearly sexist though, and has made more than enough statements with heavily racist/xenophobic undertones (and more than that) to justify criticizing him on that front. edit: also, notice how wei2coolman is carefully ignoring my two replies to him in which I cite polls showing Trump has more racist and bigoted supporters than the other candidates. Predictable. Xenophobic != racist. I think that most people consider race to be based on location/ nationality, and xenophobia is a dislike of people from outside countries. Barring a slight semantics argument at best, they're basically the same... And they're certainly both under the umbrella term of bigotry. I think most of the people are just scared of people blindly following books with unreasonable demands. But people that are big about "social justice" loves them because more diversity = more problems among people = more business for them. What's wrong with being an advocate for social justice? You make it sound like people who want equal and fair treatment for everyone are secretly hoping for the opposite. If their business model relies on having distrust among people so they can make money from people's fear, then absolutely. Their "business model"? That's a very cynical way of approaching people who are legitimately trying to make the world a better place. That's like saying that tutors don't want to actually help educate students- and in fact, will try to make them dumber- because that way, the tutors won't become obsolete and unemployed. It's partially paradoxical from a self-interest perspective, but it's not a matter of financial gain. Civil rights activists, much like educators, are pursuing their passion and vocation and expressing a purity of motive (barring the occasional nutjob or extremist that exists with any group of people). MLK Jr. wasn't fighting for civil rights because he was secretly in cahoots with screwing over blacks and profiting off it. You can also look at the kinds of people who are successful (financially, politically, etc.) by spreading messages of fear and hate. Donald Trump, for example, is pretty much the opposite of a sincere advocate for social justice, and his message is all about "distrust among people so they can make money from people's fear" and "more diversity = more problems among people = more business for them". Call it cynical but that's what a lot of people are doing these days. And if they can get away with it, then good for them to figure out a way to make money out of people's fear. Difference between Donald Trump's message on figuring out what the fuck is going on in the middle east before doing any extreme importation is actually based upon evidence that it is indeed a clusterfuck in the middle east and it probably isn't a smart idea to even think to take an action that might pollute USA. While there are plenty of people like BLM that says institutionalized racism for blacks exist while there are affirmative action for them or feminists freaks who yells about wage gap without studying how economics work.But I view them the same light as I view the hardcore religious folks. Somehow all these groups have figured a way to make money out of irrational fears. First of all, institutionalized racism does exist, and the wage gap does exist. At least, in the United States they do. Second, there is a big difference between social justice warriors going over the top and opportunists hoping that prejudice is perpetuated so that they can benefit financially. You were claiming that the latter occurs regularly, whereas at least SJWs have a purity of motive.
Yeah institutional racism exists but not for black people. Its for Asians that have to get higher GPA than blacks to go into the same program/school. But ain't nobody protesting about that.
Not for BLM, these people are violent as fuck.
And wage gap only exists if you add up the income of both male and female and count it that way instead of dividing it up by sector/hrs/jobs. But ofc in that case women will make less money because most of them need to take care of their kids instead of working.
So wage gap exists in a complete fair fashion. Nothing to protest there.
The people protesting these things are either trolls that wants sane people to explain these concepts or they are in this for the money because many of these things can be easily researched.
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On March 06 2016 06:01 DarkPlasmaBall wrote:Show nested quote +On March 06 2016 05:38 ErectedZenith wrote:On March 06 2016 05:29 DarkPlasmaBall wrote:On March 06 2016 05:17 ErectedZenith wrote:On March 06 2016 05:13 DarkPlasmaBall wrote:On March 06 2016 04:35 ErectedZenith wrote:On March 06 2016 04:27 DarkPlasmaBall wrote:On March 06 2016 04:21 ErectedZenith wrote:On March 06 2016 03:56 kwizach wrote:On March 06 2016 03:48 ErectedZenith wrote:
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You are assuming that he is a racist/sexist, which is a ridiculous assertion just by itself. Such an assertion is not part of my original post explaining why the right is responsible for Trump's rise, so try again. He is clearly sexist though, and has made more than enough statements with heavily racist/xenophobic undertones (and more than that) to justify criticizing him on that front. edit: also, notice how wei2coolman is carefully ignoring my two replies to him in which I cite polls showing Trump has more racist and bigoted supporters than the other candidates. Predictable. Xenophobic != racist. I think that most people consider race to be based on location/ nationality, and xenophobia is a dislike of people from outside countries. Barring a slight semantics argument at best, they're basically the same... And they're certainly both under the umbrella term of bigotry. I think most of the people are just scared of people blindly following books with unreasonable demands. But people that are big about "social justice" loves them because more diversity = more problems among people = more business for them. What's wrong with being an advocate for social justice? You make it sound like people who want equal and fair treatment for everyone are secretly hoping for the opposite. If their business model relies on having distrust among people so they can make money from people's fear, then absolutely. Their "business model"? That's a very cynical way of approaching people who are legitimately trying to make the world a better place. That's like saying that tutors don't want to actually help educate students- and in fact, will try to make them dumber- because that way, the tutors won't become obsolete and unemployed. It's partially paradoxical from a self-interest perspective, but it's not a matter of financial gain. Civil rights activists, much like educators, are pursuing their passion and vocation and expressing a purity of motive (barring the occasional nutjob or extremist that exists with any group of people). MLK Jr. wasn't fighting for civil rights because he was secretly in cahoots with screwing over blacks and profiting off it. You can also look at the kinds of people who are successful (financially, politically, etc.) by spreading messages of fear and hate. Donald Trump, for example, is pretty much the opposite of a sincere advocate for social justice, and his message is all about "distrust among people so they can make money from people's fear" and "more diversity = more problems among people = more business for them". Call it cynical but that's what a lot of people are doing these days. And if they can get away with it, then good for them to figure out a way to make money out of people's fear. Difference between Donald Trump's message on figuring out what the fuck is going on in the middle east before doing any extreme importation is actually based upon evidence that it is indeed a clusterfuck in the middle east and it probably isn't a smart idea to even think to take an action that might pollute USA. While there are plenty of people like BLM that says institutionalized racism for blacks exist while there are affirmative action for them or feminists freaks who yells about wage gap without studying how economics work.But I view them the same light as I view the hardcore religious folks. Somehow all these groups have figured a way to make money out of irrational fears. First of all, institutionalized racism does exist, and the wage gap does exist. At least, in the United States they do. Second, there is a big difference between social justice warriors going over the top and opportunists hoping that prejudice is perpetuated so that they can benefit financially. You were claiming that the latter occurs regularly, whereas at least SJWs have a purity of motive.
Quite frankly, "purity of motive" is not something to be proud of. That's called zealotry, and causes as many problems as anything they're claiming to fight against.
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And this is where we have come to. Racism doesn't effect black people, babies cause the wage gap and everyone is whining about mean SJWs like its some demographic that is real. The leader of the birther movement has done amazing things to the political discourse in this country. Soon the moon landing will be considered a hoax and we will be arguing about of the world if flat.
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On March 06 2016 06:08 ErectedZenith wrote:Show nested quote +On March 06 2016 06:01 DarkPlasmaBall wrote:On March 06 2016 05:38 ErectedZenith wrote:On March 06 2016 05:29 DarkPlasmaBall wrote:On March 06 2016 05:17 ErectedZenith wrote:On March 06 2016 05:13 DarkPlasmaBall wrote:On March 06 2016 04:35 ErectedZenith wrote:On March 06 2016 04:27 DarkPlasmaBall wrote:On March 06 2016 04:21 ErectedZenith wrote:On March 06 2016 03:56 kwizach wrote:
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Such an assertion is not part of my original post explaining why the right is responsible for Trump's rise, so try again. He is clearly sexist though, and has made more than enough statements with heavily racist/xenophobic undertones (and more than that) to justify criticizing him on that front.
edit: also, notice how wei2coolman is carefully ignoring my two replies to him in which I cite polls showing Trump has more racist and bigoted supporters than the other candidates. Predictable. Xenophobic != racist. I think that most people consider race to be based on location/ nationality, and xenophobia is a dislike of people from outside countries. Barring a slight semantics argument at best, they're basically the same... And they're certainly both under the umbrella term of bigotry. I think most of the people are just scared of people blindly following books with unreasonable demands. But people that are big about "social justice" loves them because more diversity = more problems among people = more business for them. What's wrong with being an advocate for social justice? You make it sound like people who want equal and fair treatment for everyone are secretly hoping for the opposite. If their business model relies on having distrust among people so they can make money from people's fear, then absolutely. Their "business model"? That's a very cynical way of approaching people who are legitimately trying to make the world a better place. That's like saying that tutors don't want to actually help educate students- and in fact, will try to make them dumber- because that way, the tutors won't become obsolete and unemployed. It's partially paradoxical from a self-interest perspective, but it's not a matter of financial gain. Civil rights activists, much like educators, are pursuing their passion and vocation and expressing a purity of motive (barring the occasional nutjob or extremist that exists with any group of people). MLK Jr. wasn't fighting for civil rights because he was secretly in cahoots with screwing over blacks and profiting off it. You can also look at the kinds of people who are successful (financially, politically, etc.) by spreading messages of fear and hate. Donald Trump, for example, is pretty much the opposite of a sincere advocate for social justice, and his message is all about "distrust among people so they can make money from people's fear" and "more diversity = more problems among people = more business for them". Call it cynical but that's what a lot of people are doing these days. And if they can get away with it, then good for them to figure out a way to make money out of people's fear. Difference between Donald Trump's message on figuring out what the fuck is going on in the middle east before doing any extreme importation is actually based upon evidence that it is indeed a clusterfuck in the middle east and it probably isn't a smart idea to even think to take an action that might pollute USA. While there are plenty of people like BLM that says institutionalized racism for blacks exist while there are affirmative action for them or feminists freaks who yells about wage gap without studying how economics work.But I view them the same light as I view the hardcore religious folks. Somehow all these groups have figured a way to make money out of irrational fears. First of all, institutionalized racism does exist, and the wage gap does exist. At least, in the United States they do. Second, there is a big difference between social justice warriors going over the top and opportunists hoping that prejudice is perpetuated so that they can benefit financially. You were claiming that the latter occurs regularly, whereas at least SJWs have a purity of motive. Yeah institutional racism exists but not for black people. Its for Asians that have to get higher GPA than blacks to go into the same program/school. But ain't nobody protesting about that. Not for BLM, these people are violent as fuck. And wage gap only exists if you add up the income of both male and female and count it that way instead of dividing it up by sector/hrs/jobs. But ofc in that case women will make less money because most of them need to take care of their kids instead of working. So wage gap exists in a complete fair fashion. Nothing to protest there. The people protesting these things are either trolls that wants sane people to explain these concepts or they are in this for the money because many of these things can be easily researched.
Lol. Yeah black folks are regularly having their constitutional rights violated but it's Asians alone that are the victims of systemic racism.
If dumpsters could talk, this is the type of trash that would come out.
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Curz seems to be doing it in Kansas?
50% at 12% reporting seems pretty good
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So Cruz and Trump will take the day meanwhile Rubio will have another bad day. The establishment's lasts stand could very well be Florida and even a win there might not be enough.
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Problem with these kinds of arguments is that they're full of meaningless jargon whose definition is more important to peole than the actual points.
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On March 06 2016 06:08 ErectedZenith wrote:Show nested quote +On March 06 2016 06:01 DarkPlasmaBall wrote:On March 06 2016 05:38 ErectedZenith wrote:On March 06 2016 05:29 DarkPlasmaBall wrote:On March 06 2016 05:17 ErectedZenith wrote:On March 06 2016 05:13 DarkPlasmaBall wrote:On March 06 2016 04:35 ErectedZenith wrote:On March 06 2016 04:27 DarkPlasmaBall wrote:On March 06 2016 04:21 ErectedZenith wrote:On March 06 2016 03:56 kwizach wrote:
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Such an assertion is not part of my original post explaining why the right is responsible for Trump's rise, so try again. He is clearly sexist though, and has made more than enough statements with heavily racist/xenophobic undertones (and more than that) to justify criticizing him on that front.
edit: also, notice how wei2coolman is carefully ignoring my two replies to him in which I cite polls showing Trump has more racist and bigoted supporters than the other candidates. Predictable. Xenophobic != racist. I think that most people consider race to be based on location/ nationality, and xenophobia is a dislike of people from outside countries. Barring a slight semantics argument at best, they're basically the same... And they're certainly both under the umbrella term of bigotry. I think most of the people are just scared of people blindly following books with unreasonable demands. But people that are big about "social justice" loves them because more diversity = more problems among people = more business for them. What's wrong with being an advocate for social justice? You make it sound like people who want equal and fair treatment for everyone are secretly hoping for the opposite. If their business model relies on having distrust among people so they can make money from people's fear, then absolutely. Their "business model"? That's a very cynical way of approaching people who are legitimately trying to make the world a better place. That's like saying that tutors don't want to actually help educate students- and in fact, will try to make them dumber- because that way, the tutors won't become obsolete and unemployed. It's partially paradoxical from a self-interest perspective, but it's not a matter of financial gain. Civil rights activists, much like educators, are pursuing their passion and vocation and expressing a purity of motive (barring the occasional nutjob or extremist that exists with any group of people). MLK Jr. wasn't fighting for civil rights because he was secretly in cahoots with screwing over blacks and profiting off it. You can also look at the kinds of people who are successful (financially, politically, etc.) by spreading messages of fear and hate. Donald Trump, for example, is pretty much the opposite of a sincere advocate for social justice, and his message is all about "distrust among people so they can make money from people's fear" and "more diversity = more problems among people = more business for them". Call it cynical but that's what a lot of people are doing these days. And if they can get away with it, then good for them to figure out a way to make money out of people's fear. Difference between Donald Trump's message on figuring out what the fuck is going on in the middle east before doing any extreme importation is actually based upon evidence that it is indeed a clusterfuck in the middle east and it probably isn't a smart idea to even think to take an action that might pollute USA. While there are plenty of people like BLM that says institutionalized racism for blacks exist while there are affirmative action for them or feminists freaks who yells about wage gap without studying how economics work.But I view them the same light as I view the hardcore religious folks. Somehow all these groups have figured a way to make money out of irrational fears. First of all, institutionalized racism does exist, and the wage gap does exist. At least, in the United States they do. Second, there is a big difference between social justice warriors going over the top and opportunists hoping that prejudice is perpetuated so that they can benefit financially. You were claiming that the latter occurs regularly, whereas at least SJWs have a purity of motive. Yeah institutional racism exists but not for black people. Its for Asians that have to get higher GPA than blacks to go into the same program/school. But ain't nobody protesting about that. Not for BLM, these people are violent as fuck. And wage gap only exists if you add up the income of both male and female and count it that way instead of dividing it up by sector/hrs/jobs. But ofc in that case women will make less money because most of them need to take care of their kids instead of working. So wage gap exists in a complete fair fashion. Nothing to protest there. The people protesting these things are either trolls that wants sane people to explain these concepts or they are in this for the money because many of these things can be easily researched.
The ignorance/dishonesty in this post is astounding. It should tell you all you need to know about how interested ErectedZenith is in dealing with reality.
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